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Stress
Profile Joined February 2011
United States980 Posts
November 30 2012 17:30 GMT
#21
KeSPA still hasn't realized that SC2 is nothing like BW. Without foreign support they seriously wouldn't last long. Eventually they will see that there closed mindedness doesn't work now and will come around once their numbers turn to total shit.
"Touch my gosu hands." - Tastosis | | fOrGG // MC // Jaedong
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
November 30 2012 17:33 GMT
#22
Has Kespa made any statements about participating in GSLs next year?
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
November 30 2012 17:34 GMT
#23
I know as a good TL poster I'm supposed to hate KeSPA but all these things sound extraordinarily reasonable considering KeSPA's sole reason for existance
Wat
Solarsail
Profile Joined July 2012
United Kingdom538 Posts
November 30 2012 17:34 GMT
#24
On December 01 2012 02:30 Stress wrote:
KeSPA still hasn't realized that SC2 is nothing like BW. Without foreign support they seriously wouldn't last long. Eventually they will see that there closed mindedness doesn't work now and will come around once their numbers turn to total shit.


Kespa care only about returns for the following companies: KT, SKT, CJ, STX, Samsung, Woongjin

Only one of those (Samsung) would care about international exposure.

Any players who are on Kespa teams that want foreign exposure should join an ESF or foreign team that has an incentive to do so.
Everyone left over is a member of the OP race and you have to figure out which one of them is the least OP. - CosmicSpiral
achan1058
Profile Joined February 2012
1091 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-30 17:35:35
November 30 2012 17:35 GMT
#25
On December 01 2012 02:30 Stress wrote:
KeSPA still hasn't realized that SC2 is nothing like BW. Without foreign support they seriously wouldn't last long. Eventually they will see that there closed mindedness doesn't work now and will come around once their numbers turn to total shit.
It's more like they want to strong-arm both the Korean and foreign scene at once. Truth is, I doubt they will succeed, not only for SC2, but LoL as well. KeSPA don't have many LoL teams of their own. Most of them belongs to ESF or foreign powers.
On December 01 2012 02:34 Solarsail wrote:
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On December 01 2012 02:30 Stress wrote:
KeSPA still hasn't realized that SC2 is nothing like BW. Without foreign support they seriously wouldn't last long. Eventually they will see that there closed mindedness doesn't work now and will come around once their numbers turn to total shit.


Kespa care only about returns for the following companies: KT, SKT, CJ, STX, Samsung, Woongjin

Only one of those (Samsung) would care about international exposure.

Any players who are on Kespa teams that want foreign exposure should join an ESF or foreign team that has an incentive to do so.

Samsung should join ESF and be done with it, to be perfectly honest.
dynwar7
Profile Joined May 2011
1983 Posts
November 30 2012 17:35 GMT
#26
Why is it KESPA has very often been in the spotlight lately for the not-so-good reasons.......
Regarding the imbalance, hilarious to see Zergs defending themselves....
CrayonPopChoa
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Canada761 Posts
November 30 2012 17:35 GMT
#27
On December 01 2012 02:30 Stress wrote:
KeSPA still hasn't realized that SC2 is nothing like BW. Without foreign support they seriously wouldn't last long. Eventually they will see that there closed mindedness doesn't work now and will come around once their numbers turn to total shit.


"there closed mindedness" thats what you got from reading that? man one of us is way off on his reading comprehension, English is my third language so its probably me.
BW4LIFE
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
November 30 2012 17:38 GMT
#28
On December 01 2012 02:35 achan1058 wrote:
Samsung should join ESF and be done with it, to be perfectly honest.


Because ESF membership has so many benefits that a company like Samsung would "join it".
NoobSkills
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1603 Posts
November 30 2012 17:39 GMT
#29
On December 01 2012 02:35 ChoiSulli wrote:
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On December 01 2012 02:30 Stress wrote:
KeSPA still hasn't realized that SC2 is nothing like BW. Without foreign support they seriously wouldn't last long. Eventually they will see that there closed mindedness doesn't work now and will come around once their numbers turn to total shit.


"there closed mindedness" thats what you got from reading that? man one of us is way off on his reading comprehension, English is my third language so its probably me.


Just one of those ESF fan boys who thinks they walk on water. Will attack KESPA even in situations where there isn't a need. He wasn't around when there was nothing. Wasn't around when KESPA made a real eSPORT not this SC2 chaos (good, but still chaos).
vinsang1000
Profile Joined January 2012
Belgium365 Posts
November 30 2012 17:40 GMT
#30
nothing new for me, why is everybody suprised ?
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
November 30 2012 17:46 GMT
#31
That makes sense.
achan1058
Profile Joined February 2012
1091 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-30 17:46:48
November 30 2012 17:46 GMT
#32
On December 01 2012 02:38 Talin wrote:
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On December 01 2012 02:35 achan1058 wrote:
Samsung should join ESF and be done with it, to be perfectly honest.


Because ESF membership has so many benefits that a company like Samsung would "join it".

Yes it does, at least it's not a sinking ship. KeSPA is dying. Leave the sinking ship.
zyzq
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3123 Posts
November 30 2012 17:47 GMT
#33
On December 01 2012 02:46 achan1058 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 02:38 Talin wrote:
On December 01 2012 02:35 achan1058 wrote:
Samsung should join ESF and be done with it, to be perfectly honest.


Because ESF membership has so many benefits that a company like Samsung would "join it".

Yes it does, at least it's not a sinking ship. KeSPA is dying. Leave the sinking ship.


only the SC2 side is dying
achan1058
Profile Joined February 2012
1091 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-30 17:49:14
November 30 2012 17:48 GMT
#34
On December 01 2012 02:47 zyzq wrote:
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On December 01 2012 02:46 achan1058 wrote:
On December 01 2012 02:38 Talin wrote:
On December 01 2012 02:35 achan1058 wrote:
Samsung should join ESF and be done with it, to be perfectly honest.


Because ESF membership has so many benefits that a company like Samsung would "join it".

Yes it does, at least it's not a sinking ship. KeSPA is dying. Leave the sinking ship.


only the SC2 side is dying

Is Najin in KeSPA? Azubu probably isn't, and CJ Entus last time I check was even worse than IM"s team. It's not like KeSPA actually has a real grip on LoL.
ZerglingTwins
Profile Joined October 2012
United States850 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-30 17:51:12
November 30 2012 17:48 GMT
#35
On December 01 2012 02:46 achan1058 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 02:38 Talin wrote:
On December 01 2012 02:35 achan1058 wrote:
Samsung should join ESF and be done with it, to be perfectly honest.


Because ESF membership has so many benefits that a company like Samsung would "join it".

Yes it does, at least it's not a sinking ship. KeSPA is dying. Leave the sinking ship.


esf doesn't even have a big ship. just some canoes. Even MLG and IPL is far better and more professional than them.




Searching for my twin ling brother.
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-30 17:52:56
November 30 2012 17:50 GMT
#36
well, KESPA is trying to hold on to the sole justification of its existence in this day and age, which is understandable. they should, however, recognize that times have changed and that the sc2 scene isnt korea-dominated and korea-based anymore, so that a shady monopoly over the whole proscene like the one KESPA used to have in bw is impossible.

regarding the argument that most kespa teams dont care about anything else than exposure in korea itself: well, while this is true, it is also true that sc2 is no big success in korea so far. if the companies behind kespa teams want to increase the effect of the their sponsorship of sc2 teams in korea, it is in their utmost interest to increase the success of sc2 in their home market. this, however, can only be achieved if the quality of sc2 as a spectator sport is increased. while this would require many parties to play their role, for example blizzard to improve the game, a first step would be to use the immense talent of the kespa players to its full potential all around the world. what kespa is aiming for right now, on the other hand, is strengthening the divide of the sc2 scene among the ogn vs gom, mlg vs ipl, kespa vs esf lines, which will do the exact opposite of that.

basically, kespa is still acting like the schoolyard bully that tries to oppress all competition. in bw, this was possible as the foreigner scene was non-existent, but in sc2 its the other way round. one could also say that the bullied kid has had a burst of growth over the summer and the former bully now tries to push around someone that is actually an inch taller than himself. not gonna work out.

realistically though, I think that there is no hope for this whole mess to end well. imho, the divide that I mentioned before will deepen and in the end, the kespa companies will pull their funding, leaving sc2 as an international sport whose revenues are mainly generated in NA and EU, but whose playerbase is - for historical reasons - recruited mainly from korea.
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
November 30 2012 17:52 GMT
#37
On December 01 2012 02:30 ZerglingTwins wrote:
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On December 01 2012 02:27 opisska wrote:
I am thinking more and more that the right response of the world is to just start ignoring KeSPA and their players altogether. So you wanna have your nice closed leagues with your private superstars? Cool. We can have fun without you.



Any players in real professional team league sports are not free to attend any tournament or commercials in their own will. They are all the best leagues.


That doesn't mean the we have to neccessarily copy this model. Only because it is so widespread does not mean that it is somehow transcendentaly "better". It leads to many undesired consequences, such as corruption, doping (when relevant) and other underground methods - becuase in the closed competition, everyone has the other one's back.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
November 30 2012 17:53 GMT
#38
On December 01 2012 02:46 achan1058 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 02:38 Talin wrote:
On December 01 2012 02:35 achan1058 wrote:
Samsung should join ESF and be done with it, to be perfectly honest.


Because ESF membership has so many benefits that a company like Samsung would "join it".

Yes it does, at least it's not a sinking ship. KeSPA is dying. Leave the sinking ship.


They aren't dying bucko lol.

*rolls eyes*
KookyMonster
Profile Joined January 2012
United States311 Posts
November 30 2012 17:55 GMT
#39
I think that most players can't (realistically) go to a tournament without team approval. This isn't specific to KeSPA so I don't really see the issue as KeSPA, more the system in general (if one even wanted to open up the possibility for criticism).
Paper is Imba. Scissors is fine. -Rock
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-30 17:56:27
November 30 2012 17:55 GMT
#40
On December 01 2012 02:46 achan1058 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 02:38 Talin wrote:
On December 01 2012 02:35 achan1058 wrote:
Samsung should join ESF and be done with it, to be perfectly honest.


Because ESF membership has so many benefits that a company like Samsung would "join it".

Yes it does, at least it's not a sinking ship. KeSPA is dying. Leave the sinking ship.


Kespa is as alive as companies behind it (including Samsung) deem reasonable to invest in the esports side of things. Even if the ship is sinking, it's simply because Samsung & co have many other ships they prefer investing in.
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