EPTKeSPA policy for int. tournament participation - Page 2
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Stress
United States980 Posts
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revel8
United Kingdom3022 Posts
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Tenks
United States3104 Posts
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Solarsail
United Kingdom538 Posts
On December 01 2012 02:30 Stress wrote: KeSPA still hasn't realized that SC2 is nothing like BW. Without foreign support they seriously wouldn't last long. Eventually they will see that there closed mindedness doesn't work now and will come around once their numbers turn to total shit. Kespa care only about returns for the following companies: KT, SKT, CJ, STX, Samsung, Woongjin Only one of those (Samsung) would care about international exposure. Any players who are on Kespa teams that want foreign exposure should join an ESF or foreign team that has an incentive to do so. | ||
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achan1058
1091 Posts
On December 01 2012 02:30 Stress wrote: It's more like they want to strong-arm both the Korean and foreign scene at once. Truth is, I doubt they will succeed, not only for SC2, but LoL as well. KeSPA don't have many LoL teams of their own. Most of them belongs to ESF or foreign powers.KeSPA still hasn't realized that SC2 is nothing like BW. Without foreign support they seriously wouldn't last long. Eventually they will see that there closed mindedness doesn't work now and will come around once their numbers turn to total shit. On December 01 2012 02:34 Solarsail wrote: Kespa care only about returns for the following companies: KT, SKT, CJ, STX, Samsung, Woongjin Only one of those (Samsung) would care about international exposure. Any players who are on Kespa teams that want foreign exposure should join an ESF or foreign team that has an incentive to do so. Samsung should join ESF and be done with it, to be perfectly honest. | ||
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dynwar7
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CrayonPopChoa
Canada761 Posts
On December 01 2012 02:30 Stress wrote: KeSPA still hasn't realized that SC2 is nothing like BW. Without foreign support they seriously wouldn't last long. Eventually they will see that there closed mindedness doesn't work now and will come around once their numbers turn to total shit. "there closed mindedness" thats what you got from reading that? man one of us is way off on his reading comprehension, English is my third language so its probably me. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On December 01 2012 02:35 achan1058 wrote: Samsung should join ESF and be done with it, to be perfectly honest. Because ESF membership has so many benefits that a company like Samsung would "join it". | ||
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NoobSkills
United States1598 Posts
On December 01 2012 02:35 ChoiSulli wrote: "there closed mindedness" thats what you got from reading that? man one of us is way off on his reading comprehension, English is my third language so its probably me. Just one of those ESF fan boys who thinks they walk on water. Will attack KESPA even in situations where there isn't a need. He wasn't around when there was nothing. Wasn't around when KESPA made a real eSPORT not this SC2 chaos (good, but still chaos). | ||
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vinsang1000
Belgium365 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
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achan1058
1091 Posts
On December 01 2012 02:38 Talin wrote: Because ESF membership has so many benefits that a company like Samsung would "join it". Yes it does, at least it's not a sinking ship. KeSPA is dying. Leave the sinking ship. | ||
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zyzq
United States3123 Posts
On December 01 2012 02:46 achan1058 wrote: Yes it does, at least it's not a sinking ship. KeSPA is dying. Leave the sinking ship. only the SC2 side is dying | ||
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achan1058
1091 Posts
Is Najin in KeSPA? Azubu probably isn't, and CJ Entus last time I check was even worse than IM"s team. It's not like KeSPA actually has a real grip on LoL. | ||
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ZerglingTwins
United States850 Posts
On December 01 2012 02:46 achan1058 wrote: Yes it does, at least it's not a sinking ship. KeSPA is dying. Leave the sinking ship. esf doesn't even have a big ship. just some canoes. Even MLG and IPL is far better and more professional than them. | ||
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
regarding the argument that most kespa teams dont care about anything else than exposure in korea itself: well, while this is true, it is also true that sc2 is no big success in korea so far. if the companies behind kespa teams want to increase the effect of the their sponsorship of sc2 teams in korea, it is in their utmost interest to increase the success of sc2 in their home market. this, however, can only be achieved if the quality of sc2 as a spectator sport is increased. while this would require many parties to play their role, for example blizzard to improve the game, a first step would be to use the immense talent of the kespa players to its full potential all around the world. what kespa is aiming for right now, on the other hand, is strengthening the divide of the sc2 scene among the ogn vs gom, mlg vs ipl, kespa vs esf lines, which will do the exact opposite of that. basically, kespa is still acting like the schoolyard bully that tries to oppress all competition. in bw, this was possible as the foreigner scene was non-existent, but in sc2 its the other way round. one could also say that the bullied kid has had a burst of growth over the summer and the former bully now tries to push around someone that is actually an inch taller than himself. not gonna work out. realistically though, I think that there is no hope for this whole mess to end well. imho, the divide that I mentioned before will deepen and in the end, the kespa companies will pull their funding, leaving sc2 as an international sport whose revenues are mainly generated in NA and EU, but whose playerbase is - for historical reasons - recruited mainly from korea. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On December 01 2012 02:30 ZerglingTwins wrote: Any players in real professional team league sports are not free to attend any tournament or commercials in their own will. They are all the best leagues. That doesn't mean the we have to neccessarily copy this model. Only because it is so widespread does not mean that it is somehow transcendentaly "better". It leads to many undesired consequences, such as corruption, doping (when relevant) and other underground methods - becuase in the closed competition, everyone has the other one's back. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 01 2012 02:46 achan1058 wrote: Yes it does, at least it's not a sinking ship. KeSPA is dying. Leave the sinking ship. They aren't dying bucko lol. *rolls eyes* | ||
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KookyMonster
United States311 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On December 01 2012 02:46 achan1058 wrote: Yes it does, at least it's not a sinking ship. KeSPA is dying. Leave the sinking ship. Kespa is as alive as companies behind it (including Samsung) deem reasonable to invest in the esports side of things. Even if the ship is sinking, it's simply because Samsung & co have many other ships they prefer investing in. | ||
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