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Zealot Lord
Hong Kong747 Posts
even if they don't change anything regarding the spell itself, can't they at least just tweak supply cost of infestors and energy cost of fungals & infested terrans (especially during these tests)? still praying that the projectile change goes through in HOTS, but I'm not hopeful at this stage... and the free seeker missle does absolutely nothing, its not like terrans are having trouble lategame TvZ because they couldn't research HSM in time due to the cost or something -_- | ||
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HeavenResign
United States702 Posts
On November 30 2012 14:52 Fuzer wrote: http://starcraft2.fi/suomiladder_gm.php Theres ladder race ratios in every realm (EU US KR) and their diversity in TOP 150 / 100 / 50 If this was in response to my post, I'm pretty quick to admit that at the highest levels things aren't so hot balance wise but he was referencing average players in masters as being very zerg heavy, which it isn't even close to the extent as it is in GM. | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5219 Posts
On November 30 2012 14:45 uberism wrote: According to blizzard, the win rates of each of the races are pretty much balanced. The only reason they are making changes to the infestor is because the community perceives that there is an imbalance. Rock-Paper-Scissors is balanced, but is really boring to watch and relatively skilless. The Infestor needs to be changed because it makes the game boring, and doesn't require a ton of skill to use. Any Masters Zerg can chain Fungals, it isn't like Marine splitting where MKP can make a Masters Terran look like a fool. | ||
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SuperYo1000
United States880 Posts
On November 30 2012 14:52 Fuzer wrote: http://starcraft2.fi/suomiladder_gm.php Theres ladder race ratios in every realm (EU US KR) and their diversity in TOP 150 / 100 / 50 so despite having the smallest player base zerg is dominating most areas......lol | ||
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Maesy
United States1444 Posts
On November 30 2012 14:59 Lumi wrote: People are so consumed with their biases. They get informed of an existent balance at large, and especially at the pro level, and go on verbally writhe with complaints of racial struggles and we're so fucked, and blahblah blah blah blah. It's almost as if the pros know how to suck it up, practice and overcome things, where-as the 98% of players who aren't even in something as easy to get into as low NA masters are here reinforcing their sense of having wrongly lost games because of imbalance, instead of addressing their own imperfections. When's the last time you went up a league? What is all of this whiney catharsis doing for you? The age old whines of imba from players who aren't even notably good at the game, and who lack an honest approach to improving and overcoming things within it. Such marvelously loud stagnation. Thanks for taking my thoughts and typing it out... intelligently. | ||
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Resistentialism
Canada688 Posts
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sevia
United States954 Posts
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Teggy03
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Glockateer
United States254 Posts
They also keep picking antiga shipyard, a mainly terran favored map due to the drop/ledge play being so easily accessible. | ||
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ultratorr
Canada332 Posts
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On November 30 2012 11:08 Shiori wrote: These are the most embarrassingly worthless changes possible. I'm seriously contemplating quitting this game if this is how Blizzard approaches balance. are these changes live? no? there doing exactly what they should be doing making small changes, seeing what happens then adjusting the change at 80 health one storm kills the eggs (dunno about duration or if eggs regen and saves it) but if/when tehy see that this doesnt affect ITs then next stop might be less damage per shot or slower attack or less health on the actual IT | ||
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
On November 30 2012 15:15 Teggy03 wrote: FF needs to be fixed just as much as Fungal does. not even close | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On November 30 2012 15:30 Forikorder wrote: are these changes live? no? there doing exactly what they should be doing making small changes, seeing what happens then adjusting the change at 80 health one storm kills the eggs (dunno about duration or if eggs regen and saves it) but if/when tehy see that this doesnt affect ITs then next stop might be less damage per shot or slower attack or less health on the actual IT I think the reason a lot of people are upset is because they want changes to go live as soon as possible and testing 10 different changes one week each is going to make the process take quite a while when they have already been waiting since May. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
toss use FF as a crutch as much as zerg use fungal as a crutch it would be nice if both could get removed from the game and the game stayed balanced | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On November 30 2012 15:31 Dodgin wrote: I think the reason a lot of people are upset is because they want changes to go live as soon as possible and testing 10 different changes one week each is going to make the process take quite a while when they have already been waiting since May. would you rather them rush out a change that makes the game worse then take even longer jsut to get back to where they were? the game is like 5% inbalanced its that last 5% thats a killer if there not careful then they could make too big a change and make the game even more imbalanced | ||
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c0sm0naut
United States1229 Posts
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GreyKnight
United States4720 Posts
On November 30 2012 15:32 Forikorder wrote: toss use FF as a crutch as much as zerg use fungal as a crutch it would be nice if both could get removed from the game and the game stayed balanced zerg will be fine if infestors are nerfed, if forcefield is changed in anyway protoss will lose everygame | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26503 Posts
I hate infestor play a hell of a lot too, but it seems they are trying to tweak small things. This is GOOD. Blizzard are lambasted for being inconsistent in balance tweaking, but they actually aren't. It's a common misunderstanding. 1. Period were Terrans got nerfbombed. This leads to: Blizzard announce that they're trying to be more transparent, and also 'let the metagame settle' rather than trying to patch as much. They LITERALLY said this. They then made the Queen/Ovie change as the last 'big' patch. I feel that that patch was too good, and Blizz didn't predict all the consequences, but they announced they were going to try to patch less. 2. Period where 'Patchzergs' aren't nerfed hard. It's not that Blizzard hate Terran at all. It's that the period where Terran got nerfed, correlated with the period Blizzard wanted to balance more by patching than by metagame/maps. Now, unfortunately for non-Zergs, Blizzard are being much more careful in how they are tweaking Z. Part of this is due to our own feedback that Blizz should be less trigger-happy, so don't blame them for listening to us. Indeed, I think they're actually using the balance test map to test out, not what they want to do, but the concept. I don't know how they'd use the data collected from games on such maps, but I imagine they're somehow doing that. | ||
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Naphal
Germany2099 Posts
also how hard can it be to nerf the infestor? if they dont find a "smart" way to nerf it, then nerf the numbers, and by that i really do not mean the egghealth, but rather IT dmg or attackspeed or so, or maybe DO nerf fungal by replacing root with snare, instant with projectile or lowering the damage. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On November 30 2012 15:34 Forikorder wrote: would you rather them rush out a change that makes the game worse then take even longer jsut to get back to where they were? the game is like 5% inbalanced its that last 5% thats a killer if there not careful then they could make too big a change and make the game even more imbalanced I think they should have started considering changes months ago if they had to test it this much to make up their mind. but no, since we're stuck with this situation I'm fine with them testing different things and taking a bit of time. I just think all the pro gamers are not happy with it, by the time anything is live all the major end of the year tournaments are going to be over. | ||
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