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SamirDuran
Profile Joined May 2012
Philippines894 Posts
November 30 2012 05:16 GMT
#101
If these changes were to push through. I'll just play BW or LoL
Don't practice until you can get it right, practice until you can't get it wrong.
quaZa
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany58 Posts
November 30 2012 05:18 GMT
#102
LOL at all ppl who want too quit the game liek we give a damn fuck? :DDDDDDDD

User was temp banned for this post.
Power Overhelming
benthekid
Profile Joined March 2011
United States132 Posts
November 30 2012 05:18 GMT
#103
The problem with seeker missile is that fungal has 9 range and with radius of 2 (which is larger than both storm and emp (1.5)) it's range is effectively 11 while seeker missile has a range of 6. Any competent zerg can easily LoL all over ravens and only when the zerg makes some serious mistakes does seeker missile have any change.

The egg nerf is laughable. Shows blizzards continual bias towards zerg and continues to show why quitting WoL was a great decision.

I'm not done with sc2 yet I just got a hots beta key this week and plan on playing if they will get their shit together and balance the @#*%ing game.
"Protoss is really strong recently. Perhaps, it's time for there to be some changes for Terran." -MMA (back in WoL) (Funny how it's still true)
Zoku
Profile Joined November 2010
307 Posts
November 30 2012 05:19 GMT
#104
Knowing blizzard, I predict a Caduceus Reactor cost decrease to "fix" tvz
Maesy
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1444 Posts
November 30 2012 05:21 GMT
#105
Stop acting like you don't know why the fungal nerf was an awful idea. It's obvious why they can't do it without breaking the zerg race completely. This isn't something easy to fix.
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pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3354 Posts
November 30 2012 05:21 GMT
#106
lol is right.
At this rate they will deem this change too big as well.
Next suggestion will be 5hp nerf of the infestor.
quaZa
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany58 Posts
November 30 2012 05:27 GMT
#107
im pretty sure everyone who says "I QUI THE GAM HERP DERP" is below masters....
Power Overhelming
Talack
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada2742 Posts
November 30 2012 05:32 GMT
#108
On November 30 2012 14:21 pmp10 wrote:
lol is right.
At this rate they will deem this change too big as well.
Next suggestion will be 5hp nerf of the infestor.


"Reduced the build time of bunkers by 5 seconds to make up for zergs late game advantage"
SuperYo1000
Profile Joined July 2008
United States880 Posts
November 30 2012 05:33 GMT
#109
On November 30 2012 14:27 quaZa wrote:
im pretty sure everyone who says "I QUI THE GAM HERP DERP" is below masters....



thats because most in masters is diamond level patch zerg
DemigodcelpH
Profile Joined August 2011
1138 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-30 05:38:07
November 30 2012 05:35 GMT
#110
At this point it's pretty obvious that the higher-ups are involved with making sure Zerg is popular because HotS is coming out.

It's laughable. It's literally a slap in the face to every player of this game that a glaring and OBVIOUSLY imbalanced race has been allowed to live for so, so long without change.

There's "ridiculous", and then there's this. MvP, DRG, Nestea, and more or less anyone notable has spoken out about the current Zerg imbalances MANY times now. This is just disrespectful to the community.

I refuse to watch any SC2 streams or support this game in the slightest anymore.
Venomsflame
Profile Joined February 2011
United States613 Posts
November 30 2012 05:38 GMT
#111
On November 30 2012 14:35 DemigodcelpH wrote:
At this point it's pretty obvious that the higher-ups are involved with making sure Zerg is popular because HotS is coming out.

It's laughable. It's literally a slap in the face to every player of this game that a glaring and OBVIOUSLY imbalanced race has been allowed to live for so, so long without change.

There's "ridiculous", and then there's this. MvP, DRG, Nestea, and more or less anyone notable has spoken out about the current Zerg imbalances MANY times now. This is just disrespectful to the community.

I refuse to watch any SC2 streams or support this game in the slightest anymore.


T____T Oh noooo

User was warned for this post
HeavenResign
Profile Joined April 2011
United States702 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-30 05:42:30
November 30 2012 05:39 GMT
#112
On November 30 2012 14:33 SuperYo1000 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2012 14:27 quaZa wrote:
im pretty sure everyone who says "I QUI THE GAM HERP DERP" is below masters....



thats because most in masters is diamond level patch zerg


I dislike infestors and want to see fungal nerfed as much as everyone else but that isn't true.

http://sc2ranks.com/stats/league/all/1/all

http://sc2ranks.com/stats/league/am/1/all

In AM they are the majority but at 34.9% that is hyperbole. If Zerg went down 3% and T went up 3% that'd be pretty much perfect. But unless the T's that switched to Z go back to T after a nerf, those Z's gotta go somewhere.

This is just a test, I am sure that fungal will be nerfed once the WoL patch comes out.
uberism
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada271 Posts
November 30 2012 05:45 GMT
#113
According to blizzard, the win rates of each of the races are pretty much balanced.
The only reason they are making changes to the infestor is because the community perceives that there is an imbalance.
genius_man16
Profile Joined February 2011
United States749 Posts
November 30 2012 05:46 GMT
#114
On November 30 2012 11:12 Cyro wrote:
You cant kill eggs when they have 0 attack priority. Period. If there is a single zergling within attack range, every single unit you have, ranged, melee, trapped or otherwise will shoot at it and overkill it by thousands of damage before turning to shoot at eggs.

IT problem cant be solved by reducing the hp on eggs that dont have attack priority by 20%, im pretty embarassed for blizzard for even thinking that could have a notable effect.


A thousand times this. Blizzard has their heads really far up their ass don't they?
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docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
November 30 2012 05:51 GMT
#115
On November 30 2012 11:33 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
and here comes the shit storm.

*gets the fuck out*

This is exactly how I felt when I read the first page of this thread lol.
User was warned for too many mimes.
Fuzer
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Finland266 Posts
November 30 2012 05:52 GMT
#116
http://starcraft2.fi/suomiladder_gm.php
Theres ladder race ratios in every realm (EU US KR) and their diversity in TOP 150 / 100 / 50
neozxa
Profile Joined August 2011
Indonesia545 Posts
November 30 2012 05:58 GMT
#117
Wow. Why the hell would Blizzard change the health of IT eggs and think that it would impact gameplay?

I am honestly starting to lose faith in Blizzard's balance decisions.
Keep moving forward
Lumi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1616 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-30 06:12:39
November 30 2012 05:59 GMT
#118
People are so consumed with their biases. They get informed of an existent balance at large, and especially at the pro level, and go on to verbally writhe with complaints of racial struggles and "we're so fucked", and blahblah blah blah blah. It's almost as if the pros know how to suck it up, practice and overcome things, where-as the 98% of players who aren't even in something as easy to get into as low NA masters are here reinforcing their sense of having wrongly lost games because of imbalance, instead of addressing their own imperfections. When's the last time you went up a league? What is all of this whiney catharsis doing for you?

The age old whines of imba from players who aren't even notably good at the game, and who lack an honest approach to improving and overcoming things within it. Such marvelously loud stagnation.
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Gorlin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2753 Posts
November 30 2012 06:01 GMT
#119
Blizzard surprises me with the egg change, that seems extremely dumb. Between the 2 armor (it's 2 right?) on eggs and the fact that they have no priority, 20 less health won't change anything. You don't see bunches of eggs in the red before hatching.

Honestly, between Brood Lords, Infestors, and Swarm Hosts, there's enough free unit generators for zerg and I would not mind infested terran just being removed entirely as a spell and replaced with something else. Fungal, I'd like to see reworked as well.

As far as them thinking zerg doesn't have a "general advantage". I see people are freaking out about that, but I don't really agree or disagree with it personally. I am merely of the opinion that zerg is not very interesting at the moment.
Insoleet
Profile Joined May 2012
France1806 Posts
November 30 2012 06:02 GMT
#120
it is a test map to see the impact of a change, not the final patch... haha I'm laughing at everyone whining as hell there.
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