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pPingu
Profile Joined September 2011
Switzerland2892 Posts
November 28 2012 22:41 GMT
#81
On November 29 2012 07:40 Cubikill wrote:
Why on Taeja? If you adding MKP because he won an arena? Why not Violet and Taeja? But anyways it looks awesome, cannot wait.


Adam already said why

On November 29 2012 07:05 MLG_Adam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2012 07:00 tree.hugger wrote:
On November 29 2012 06:43 MLG_Adam wrote:
On November 29 2012 06:39 tree.hugger wrote:
Enough of these random invitationals with no past or future storyline, please. I liked the arenas just fine.


I love the arenas also. I feel like there are ample storylines here: offseason mini tournament between champions of 2012.

You mentioned one storyline. Sorta. But there's not a ton of rhyme or reason to how the players were selected. I get that it's a bunch of people who won MLG events and the one KeSPA event and the one Blizzard event. Yet it's a little silly to call Flash a champion when there's no mention of viOlet who won the Spring Arena that anybody cared about.

I mean, this is great content, and I'm sure it'll be fun to watch, but it doesn't mean anything. Anyone can give out X amount of money and find players who are champions of something to play a tournament. What does this tournament mean? Does it crown a champion of the 2012 MLG Season? If so, why is it such a low key event? Does it kick off the 2013 season by giving out seeding or something? Clearly not.

So what is it? It's a time sink. It's a way to get eyeballs on your stuff with minimal effort or interest. People will tune in, if you guys are lucky there'll be good games, and it'll get more attention. But I (personally, I'm not speaking for anyone else here) am really exhausted from events like this. It just cheapens the real tournaments. If DongRaeGu and Flash meet in some LAN, it's that much less epic because tournaments like this essentially say; "Hey guess what, we can just pick whoever we want, get them to play each other, and be done with it."

This is the one night stand of tournaments, except it takes three weeks.


Violet and Taeja declined to participate.

I could spin this the opposite way from how you painted it, but I don't think it will do any good. I will say that we're incredibly excited to hold this event and we do feel it is a valid tournament with valid reasoning on why the competitors were selected.

Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
November 28 2012 22:41 GMT
#82
I laughed a bit when I saw which championship made Flash a champion.
AimlessAmoeba
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada704 Posts
November 28 2012 22:46 GMT
#83
The "Tournament of Koreans" you mean....
Jmanthedragonguy
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada1202 Posts
November 28 2012 22:48 GMT
#84
On November 29 2012 06:28 SHOOG wrote:
Life vs Parting!? Whaaat!

Mariosatr
Profile Joined September 2012
294 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-28 22:52:33
November 28 2012 22:49 GMT
#85
I think Leenock can take Rain, he's done well against him this month at least, beating him in two series in MLG Dallas. From what I've seen both DRG and Flash have been at least a bit inconsistent but either way it's hard to tell who's got the edge on that one.
I'd say the odds are in Life's favor, but watch out for the soulful Immortal Sentry all-in... soO vs MarineKing is probably the least exciting in my opinion, soO is good but MarineKing's better.
From there, I'd say DRG/Flash could beat MKP, but just like the DRG/Flash match, the SF #1 would also be pretty even, to be fair. SF #2 could depend on several things too - how Leenock can deal with a ZvZ or how he can deal with the soulful all-in, or maybe even Rain vs Life or Rain vs PartinG (I think Rain would win the latter though).
So for the final, I think it would be DRG/Flash/MKP vs Leenock/Life/Rain (ordered in likelihood in getting there).
Oh, and if the SFs are differently bracketed, then throw all my predictions minus the QF ones.

Also, winning the KeSPA invitational isn't the greatest of accomplishments, while it did have a lot of BW pros, quite a few of them aren't strong in SC2, which allowed Flash to pretty much blitz through. Flash was a good invite though, seeing how far he made it in Dallas (no kudos to Bomber for making it that far, he's the king of inconsistency).
A mind sharper than any blade.
Jmanthedragonguy
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada1202 Posts
November 28 2012 22:52 GMT
#86
Parting said he manages to stay around 50/50 win/loss with Life in practice, but he also said that he Immortal-Allined 70 times without losing in practice. Sounds like he hardly wins unless he soul pushes :/
Autodidact
Profile Joined April 2010
United States27 Posts
November 28 2012 22:52 GMT
#87
This looks awesome! Thanks MLG
ranjutan
Profile Joined November 2010
United States636 Posts
November 28 2012 22:53 GMT
#88
Good player pool but I don't like the unbalanced prize pool. Sucks for everyone who doesn't get 1st.
http://i53.tinypic.com/1r3j0p.gif
nmetasch
Profile Joined April 2012
United States600 Posts
November 28 2012 22:53 GMT
#89
I personally love this tournament. I was a huge fan of the MvP invitation. It's becoming excessively hard to find top tier competition without having to pay for it, so this will be a welcomed tournament in my eyes. I, unfortunately, can't stay up for korean events and can't afford to pay for the VODs, and often I'm so locked up in studies that I can't watch an entire weekend tournament marathon, so its nice to have an hour or two prime-time slot locked up for high level competition.
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
November 28 2012 22:54 GMT
#90
Best of the best, seriously. Casted by Axslav, I'm in love!
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
Sunfish
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria162 Posts
November 28 2012 22:56 GMT
#91
RollingOnFloorLaughing at MLG ignoring GSL completely. I guess Sundance really does have beef with them.
retired from goodgame agency and now freelancing fucking everywhere -- come follow me at @william_partin
imJealous
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1382 Posts
November 28 2012 22:58 GMT
#92
On November 29 2012 07:26 tree.hugger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2012 07:05 MLG_Adam wrote:
On November 29 2012 07:00 tree.hugger wrote:
On November 29 2012 06:43 MLG_Adam wrote:
On November 29 2012 06:39 tree.hugger wrote:
Enough of these random invitationals with no past or future storyline, please. I liked the arenas just fine.


I love the arenas also. I feel like there are ample storylines here: offseason mini tournament between champions of 2012.

You mentioned one storyline. Sorta. But there's not a ton of rhyme or reason to how the players were selected. I get that it's a bunch of people who won MLG events and the one KeSPA event and the one Blizzard event. Yet it's a little silly to call Flash a champion when there's no mention of viOlet who won the Spring Arena that anybody cared about.

I mean, this is great content, and I'm sure it'll be fun to watch, but it doesn't mean anything. Anyone can give out X amount of money and find players who are champions of something to play a tournament. What does this tournament mean? Does it crown a champion of the 2012 MLG Season? If so, why is it such a low key event? Does it kick off the 2013 season by giving out seeding or something? Clearly not.

So what is it? It's a time sink. It's a way to get eyeballs on your stuff with minimal effort or interest. People will tune in, if you guys are lucky there'll be good games, and it'll get more attention. But I (personally, I'm not speaking for anyone else here) am really exhausted from events like this. It just cheapens the real tournaments. If DongRaeGu and Flash meet in some LAN, it's that much less epic because tournaments like this essentially say; "Hey guess what, we can just pick whoever we want, get them to play each other, and be done with it."

This is the one night stand of tournaments, except it takes three weeks.


Violet and Taeja declined to participate.

I could spin this the opposite way from how you painted it, but I don't think it will do any good. I will say that we're incredibly excited to hold this event and we do feel it is a valid tournament with valid reasoning on why the competitors were selected.
I've got your next tournament:

MLG Foreigner Hero
NaNiwa, BabyKnight, Stephano, Sasquatch, SaSe, mOOnGlaDe, HuK, Socke are the players. They're the top two non-Korean players at every seasonal championship. (BK and MG tied, but Stephano repeated in the top two, so it works out.)

Would watch!
... In life very little goes right. "Right" meaning the way one expected and the way one wanted it. One has no right to want or expect anything.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23580 Posts
November 28 2012 22:59 GMT
#93
On November 29 2012 07:41 Kasaraki wrote:
I laughed a bit when I saw which championship made Flash a champion.


Who cares why Flash plays there as long as he plays . They could've just written: "because he is god".

Great to see free HD from MLG and the line up is just sick. I don't care whether this tournament makes sense in the circuit or if there is a lack of story. It's free, it has awsome players, no cross server play and I think it's way better than doing nothing during the off-season. Can't wait to see the games, good job MLG!!!
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
TheSir
Profile Joined February 2012
1830 Posts
November 28 2012 23:02 GMT
#94
I mean this is pretty nice (7k prizepool, free hd etc) but it's not something i will make time for.

Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23580 Posts
November 28 2012 23:03 GMT
#95
On November 29 2012 07:58 imJealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2012 07:26 tree.hugger wrote:
On November 29 2012 07:05 MLG_Adam wrote:
On November 29 2012 07:00 tree.hugger wrote:
On November 29 2012 06:43 MLG_Adam wrote:
On November 29 2012 06:39 tree.hugger wrote:
Enough of these random invitationals with no past or future storyline, please. I liked the arenas just fine.


I love the arenas also. I feel like there are ample storylines here: offseason mini tournament between champions of 2012.

You mentioned one storyline. Sorta. But there's not a ton of rhyme or reason to how the players were selected. I get that it's a bunch of people who won MLG events and the one KeSPA event and the one Blizzard event. Yet it's a little silly to call Flash a champion when there's no mention of viOlet who won the Spring Arena that anybody cared about.

I mean, this is great content, and I'm sure it'll be fun to watch, but it doesn't mean anything. Anyone can give out X amount of money and find players who are champions of something to play a tournament. What does this tournament mean? Does it crown a champion of the 2012 MLG Season? If so, why is it such a low key event? Does it kick off the 2013 season by giving out seeding or something? Clearly not.

So what is it? It's a time sink. It's a way to get eyeballs on your stuff with minimal effort or interest. People will tune in, if you guys are lucky there'll be good games, and it'll get more attention. But I (personally, I'm not speaking for anyone else here) am really exhausted from events like this. It just cheapens the real tournaments. If DongRaeGu and Flash meet in some LAN, it's that much less epic because tournaments like this essentially say; "Hey guess what, we can just pick whoever we want, get them to play each other, and be done with it."

This is the one night stand of tournaments, except it takes three weeks.


Violet and Taeja declined to participate.

I could spin this the opposite way from how you painted it, but I don't think it will do any good. I will say that we're incredibly excited to hold this event and we do feel it is a valid tournament with valid reasoning on why the competitors were selected.
I've got your next tournament:

MLG Foreigner Hero
NaNiwa, BabyKnight, Stephano, Sasquatch, SaSe, mOOnGlaDe, HuK, Socke are the players. They're the top two non-Korean players at every seasonal championship. (BK and MG tied, but Stephano repeated in the top two, so it works out.)

Would watch!


And then let the winner play vs the korean champion and there is another story .
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Doso
Profile Joined March 2008
Germany769 Posts
November 28 2012 23:17 GMT
#96
Cool, another MLG Korean only event. Yawn.
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
November 28 2012 23:22 GMT
#97
On November 29 2012 07:40 Cubikill wrote:
Why on Taeja? If you adding MKP because he won an arena? Why not Violet and Taeja? But anyways it looks awesome, cannot wait.

Edit: I didn't read that Taeja and violet declined. I'm am sad that they did so. ㅉ
Anyways it looks awesome. Thanks for the Free HD you guys at MLG are awesome.


MKP won winter arena and winter championship.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
markrevival
Profile Joined January 2012
United States222 Posts
November 28 2012 23:22 GMT
#98
I'm definitely with Tree Hugger here. Hand picking top named players to play in a small, invite-only, somewhat exhibition type tournament does cheapen the overall experience. not only are we over-saturated with major tournaments(which is pretty cool), we're super over-saturated with exhibitions that try to be important but aren't. What does it mean to win this? why does Flash get a spot for winning a show match tournament?

I feel like when people watch enough top players play enough times because of a tournament like this, it's not going to matter that much when they meet in the GSL or in a real MLG championship, or in any other major tournament.
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
November 28 2012 23:24 GMT
#99
so pumped!!! go DRG
#TheOneTrueDong
kolofome
Profile Joined December 2010
United States96 Posts
November 28 2012 23:40 GMT
#100
phew, thank god, after the mess of vods that was the mvp invitational i'm not paying shit for anything MLG
battlefield 3 is pretty damn fun
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