News: Legendary StarCraft II Players Take Center Stage in New Major League Gaming Programming Beginning Monday, December 3 at 5pm ET on http://www.majorleaguegaming.com in HD for FREE.
“Tournament of Champions” Featuring Eight Renowned StarCraft II Players to Premiere at 6pm ET with DongRaeGu vs Flash
“Rules of Engagement" Hosted by Nick “Axslav” Ranish to Debut at 5pm ET
Major League Gaming will launch all new StarCraft II programming on Monday, December 3 on www.majorleaguegaming.com.
Tournament of Champions: The StarCraft II “Tournament of Champions” debuts Monday, December 3 at 6pm ET with DongRaeGu vs Flash. Watch as the two-time MLG Champion takes on the MLG/KeSPA Invitational Champion in the inaugural match up.
The three week series features the top finishers from MLG’s 2012 Pro Circuit and other recent competitions DongRaeGu, Flash, Leenock, Life, MarineKing, SoO, PartinG, and Rain. The star players will compete in a single elimination bracket for a chance at $7,000 in prizes with the first place finisher taking home $5,000. The broadcast will be commentated by Nick “Axslav” Ranish and Alex “Axeltoss” Rodriguez. See the first round match-ups and the broadcast schedule below.
Rules of Engagement: Prior to the premiere of the “Tournament of Champions,” MLG will debut Axslav’s new show “Rules of Engagement,” on December 3 at 5pm ET. Airing Monday through Thursday at 5pm ET, spend an hour with MLG's top StarCraft II analyst Nick "Axslav" Ranish as he teaches and breaks down gameplay and mechanics geared at both new and advanced StarCraft II players.
On November 29 2012 06:17 LTY wrote: MarineKing is Protoss now?
I'm surprised he didn't switch to Zerg, probably saw the nerfs coming
/troll
Looks pretty cool altough i love seeing flash live i feel like they just wanted him so bad in this, i mean cmon, the KeSPA Invitational was a joke compared to all other tournaments.
I know Flash is popular and all.. but he has yet to actually reach the finals of anything in SC2, and you also call him the MLG/KeSPA champion which soO won..
On November 29 2012 06:25 Hiea wrote: I know Flash is popular and all.. but he has yet to actually reach the finals of anything in SC2, and you also call him the MLG/KeSPA champion which soO won..
Flash dispatched of one Dong quite easily, so another Dong shouldn't be a problem for him
Seems like a very strong player pool. The odd one out might be n.Die_soO in terms of name value, but he was a top finisher at the last MLG so I guess he deserves a spot here.
On November 29 2012 06:30 eviltomahawk wrote: Flash dispatched of one Dong quite easily, so another Dong shouldn't be a problem for him
Seems like a very strong player pool. The odd one out might be n.Die_soO in terms of name value, but he was a top finisher at the last MLG so I guess he deserves a spot here.
On November 29 2012 06:26 Shinta) wrote: Awesome tournament, but MKP is Terran, not protoss.
Also, prize money so small....... I know MLG does so much, but will be a great day when they can do just as much and include nice prize pools!
Or hold more small tournaments for less famous players to promote semi pro SC2 careers.
imo, prize pool is huge, this is just an online tournament, with only 8 players, and without group play. MLG is definitely taking a loss on this tournament.
running this tournament on 3 different weeks kinda kills my interest in it. Might watch the finals but other than that i dont really care. Cool idea tough but dont like the schedule
On November 29 2012 06:38 monx wrote: running this tournament on 3 different weeks kinda kills my interest in it. Might watch the finals but other than that i dont really care. Cool idea tough but dont like the schedule
We also love our marathon viewing sessions but we are trying to find a balance of nightly programmed content. This is the first foray into more frequent FREE high level competition.
On November 29 2012 06:39 tree.hugger wrote: Enough of these random invitationals with no past or future storyline, please. I liked the arenas just fine.
I love the arenas also. I feel like there are ample storylines here: offseason mini tournament between champions of 2012.
On November 29 2012 06:39 tree.hugger wrote: Enough of these random invitationals with no past or future storyline, please. I liked the arenas just fine.
I really liked the arenas too, it was nice to have an actual live physical event. Online only stuff just doesn't feel as compelling any more when it's all played in advance and replay casted.
Cool little tournament. I wish they had this sort of thing as part of the year season so players knew if they won something MLG related they qualified.
I'm glad you invited Flash for more terran's and he is Flash but it does lookout of place compared to what everyone else has done, winning a meaningless show match qualifiers you :/
Looking forward to some of the match's, sad Parting/Life got a team kill.
On November 29 2012 06:51 Laryleprakon wrote: Cool little tournament. I wish they had this sort of thing as part of the year season so players knew if they won something MLG related they qualified.
I'm glad you invited Flash for more terran's and he is Flash but it does lookout of place compared to what everyone else has done, winning a meaningless show match qualifiers you :/
Looking forward to some of the match's, sad Parting/Life got a team kill.
Not to keep defending Flash but he did have these MLG results: -Won the KESPA Anaheim Invitational -Made it to the Quarter Finals of MVP losing to eventual champion Soo (with a 39-9 regular season record) -Placed 4th at MLG Dallas, winning his initial match up against eventual champion Life before being knocked out by him in a rematch, and taking out the following players: Grubby, Thestc, Naniwa
On November 29 2012 06:58 iS.Axslav wrote: Sorry for the tlpd mistakes guys, fixed now.
Can't tell you how many times I made SoO the Protoss one instead of the Zerg n.Die_soO while casting OSL BW. Or Shine (T) and Shine[kaL] (Z). These things happen
On November 29 2012 06:38 monx wrote: running this tournament on 3 different weeks kinda kills my interest in it. Might watch the finals but other than that i dont really care. Cool idea tough but dont like the schedule
We also love our marathon viewing sessions but we are trying to find a balance of nightly programmed content. This is the first foray into more frequent FREE high level competition.
I'd recommend looking at the NASL and IPL formats; they do a lot of content frequently along the nightly program format. (Yeah, I know, they are competitors, but they do a lot of things right along those lines. Ya'll do a great job with major LAN events. There's room for improvement everywhere, and I'm sure you could come up with interesting differences and touches to make MLG an attractive choice for viewers.)
The pre-show with Axslav is a good start. Plus, you have access to a very well known player pool. Hoping to catch some really awesome games.
On November 29 2012 06:39 tree.hugger wrote: Enough of these random invitationals with no past or future storyline, please. I liked the arenas just fine.
I love the arenas also. I feel like there are ample storylines here: offseason mini tournament between champions of 2012.
You mentioned one storyline. Sorta. But there's not a ton of rhyme or reason to how the players were selected. I get that it's a bunch of people who won MLG events and the one KeSPA event and the one Blizzard event. Yet it's a little silly to call Flash a champion when there's no mention of viOlet who won the Spring Arena that anybody cared about.
I mean, this is great content, and I'm sure it'll be fun to watch, but it doesn't mean anything. Anyone can give out X amount of money and find players who are champions of something to play a tournament. What does this tournament mean? Does it crown a champion of the 2012 MLG Season? If so, why is it such a low key event? Does it kick off the 2013 season by giving out seeding or something? Clearly not.
So what is it? It's a time sink. It's a way to get eyeballs on your stuff with minimal effort or interest. People will tune in, if you guys are lucky there'll be good games, and it'll get more attention. But I (personally, I'm not speaking for anyone else here) am really exhausted from events like this. It just cheapens the real tournaments. If DongRaeGu and Flash meet in some LAN, it's that much less epic because tournaments like this essentially say; "Hey guess what, we can just pick whoever we want, get them to play each other, and be done with it."
This is the one night stand of tournaments, except it takes three weeks.
On November 29 2012 06:38 monx wrote: running this tournament on 3 different weeks kinda kills my interest in it. Might watch the finals but other than that i dont really care. Cool idea tough but dont like the schedule
We also love our marathon viewing sessions but we are trying to find a balance of nightly programmed content. This is the first foray into more frequent FREE high level competition.
I'd recommend looking at the NASL and IPL formats; they do a lot of content frequently along the nightly program format. (Yeah, I know, they are competitors, but they do a lot of things right along those lines. Ya'll do a great job with major LAN events. There's room for improvement everywhere, and I'm sure you could come up with interesting differences and touches to make MLG an attractive choice for viewers.)
The pre-show with Axslav is a good start. Plus, you have access to a very well known player pool. Hoping to catch some really awesome games.
Question - VODs available too? :D
We plan on having a lot of league specific content for our 2013 season, but this is a one off, off season event. January 2013 we'll be rolling out a very awesome league related broadcast schedule
On November 29 2012 06:39 tree.hugger wrote: Enough of these random invitationals with no past or future storyline, please. I liked the arenas just fine.
I really liked the arenas too, it was nice to have an actual live physical event. Online only stuff just doesn't feel as compelling any more when it's all played in advance and replay casted.
I think if they build in some interesting content it could be great. I actually prefer online tournaments in HD over offline PPV events. Seems like a lot of wasted money to fly in all the players for a small event.
On November 29 2012 06:39 tree.hugger wrote: Enough of these random invitationals with no past or future storyline, please. I liked the arenas just fine.
I love the arenas also. I feel like there are ample storylines here: offseason mini tournament between champions of 2012.
You mentioned one storyline. Sorta. But there's not a ton of rhyme or reason to how the players were selected. I get that it's a bunch of people who won MLG events and the one KeSPA event and the one Blizzard event. Yet it's a little silly to call Flash a champion when there's no mention of viOlet who won the Spring Arena that anybody cared about.
I mean, this is great content, and I'm sure it'll be fun to watch, but it doesn't mean anything. Anyone can give out X amount of money and find players who are champions of something to play a tournament. What does this tournament mean? Does it crown a champion of the 2012 MLG Season? If so, why is it such a low key event? Does it kick off the 2013 season by giving out seeding or something? Clearly not.
So what is it? It's a time sink. It's a way to get eyeballs on your stuff with minimal effort or interest. People will tune in, if you guys are lucky there'll be good games, and it'll get more attention. But I (personally, I'm not speaking for anyone else here) am really exhausted from events like this. It just cheapens the real tournaments. If DongRaeGu and Flash meet in some LAN, it's that much less epic because tournaments like this essentially say; "Hey guess what, we can just pick whoever we want, get them to play each other, and be done with it."
This is the one night stand of tournaments, except it takes three weeks.
Violet and Taeja declined to participate.
I could spin this the opposite way from how you painted it, but I don't think it will do any good. I will say that we're incredibly excited to hold this event and we do feel it is a valid tournament with valid reasoning on why the competitors were selected.
I'll definitely enjoy watching this, one heck of a lineup! Appreciate the free HD. I'm hoping that each night lasts for at least a few hours....those 5/6 ET starts are hard for us west coasters...
It's Flash, man. Even after the recent MLG people still underestimate him but he's getting stronger every month. It will be great match for sure.
For Europeans the time is a bit late, maybe you'd get more viewers with restreams next day like NASL does. Finding some time on weekdays is always problematic but I'll make sure to watch at least few games.
Maybe change the title of the topic to some more internationally understood format. This "12/3" looks really weird and I totally didn't get what it meant before I read the first post.
Sounds like some good high level matches, I'll probably be tuning in for the terran ones but.... seems a bit out of place for players with such star power to be in a small side tournament. I'd much prefer content focused on the NA scene and up n comers. It would be great to offer more exposure to those grinding out games trying to make it big, I know I'd be more likely to watch regular na scene coverage. You dont even need a huge prizepool as an incentive for them to bring their A game and put on a good show.
Players: DongRaeGu (Spring Arena 1, Spring Championship) Flash (KeSPA Invitational at Spring Championship) Leenock (Summer Championship) Life (Fall Championship) MarineKing (Winter Arena, Winter Championship) soO (MvP Invitational) PartinG (Battle.net World Championship) Rain (2012 OSL Finals)
GSL doesn't exist? Are we at this stage already?
Even if you don't invite people based on GSL victories, you could at least acknowledge that Life won 2012 GSL Season 4.
Not even close to the case. We were recognizing MLG champions as to why they were invited. Parting and Rain had their 'championship' listed to show what event they won in 2012 as they were replacing Violet and Taeja. GSL is a highly prestigious event, and we definitely respect/recognize their results.
On November 29 2012 06:39 tree.hugger wrote: Enough of these random invitationals with no past or future storyline, please. I liked the arenas just fine.
I love the arenas also. I feel like there are ample storylines here: offseason mini tournament between champions of 2012.
You mentioned one storyline. Sorta. But there's not a ton of rhyme or reason to how the players were selected. I get that it's a bunch of people who won MLG events and the one KeSPA event and the one Blizzard event. Yet it's a little silly to call Flash a champion when there's no mention of viOlet who won the Spring Arena that anybody cared about.
I mean, this is great content, and I'm sure it'll be fun to watch, but it doesn't mean anything. Anyone can give out X amount of money and find players who are champions of something to play a tournament. What does this tournament mean? Does it crown a champion of the 2012 MLG Season? If so, why is it such a low key event? Does it kick off the 2013 season by giving out seeding or something? Clearly not.
So what is it? It's a time sink. It's a way to get eyeballs on your stuff with minimal effort or interest. People will tune in, if you guys are lucky there'll be good games, and it'll get more attention. But I (personally, I'm not speaking for anyone else here) am really exhausted from events like this. It just cheapens the real tournaments. If DongRaeGu and Flash meet in some LAN, it's that much less epic because tournaments like this essentially say; "Hey guess what, we can just pick whoever we want, get them to play each other, and be done with it."
This is the one night stand of tournaments, except it takes three weeks.
Violet and Taeja declined to participate.
I could spin this the opposite way from how you painted it, but I don't think it will do any good. I will say that we're incredibly excited to hold this event and we do feel it is a valid tournament with valid reasoning on why the competitors were selected.
I've got your next tournament:
MLG Foreigner Hero NaNiwa, BabyKnight, Stephano, Sasquatch, SaSe, mOOnGlaDe, HuK, Socke are the players. They're the top two non-Korean players at every seasonal championship. (BK and MG tied, but Stephano repeated in the top two, so it works out.)
Players: DongRaeGu (Spring Arena 1, Spring Championship) Flash (KeSPA Invitational at Spring Championship) Leenock (Summer Championship) Life (Fall Championship) MarineKing (Winter Arena, Winter Championship) soO (MvP Invitational) PartinG (Battle.net World Championship) Rain (2012 OSL Finals)
GSL doesn't exist? Are we at this stage already?
Even if you don't invite people based on GSL victories, you could at least acknowledge that Life won 2012 GSL Season 4.
Not even close to the case. We were recognizing MLG champions as to why they were invited. Parting and Rain had their 'championship' listed to show what event they won in 2012 as they were replacing Violet and Taeja. GSL is a highly prestigious event, and we definitely respect/recognize their results.
So why doesn't it say Life (Fall Championship, GSL Season 4), like the others with multiple tournament wins. I know it's a small thing but still.
On November 29 2012 06:39 tree.hugger wrote: Enough of these random invitationals with no past or future storyline, please. I liked the arenas just fine.
I love the arenas also. I feel like there are ample storylines here: offseason mini tournament between champions of 2012.
You mentioned one storyline. Sorta. But there's not a ton of rhyme or reason to how the players were selected. I get that it's a bunch of people who won MLG events and the one KeSPA event and the one Blizzard event. Yet it's a little silly to call Flash a champion when there's no mention of viOlet who won the Spring Arena that anybody cared about.
I mean, this is great content, and I'm sure it'll be fun to watch, but it doesn't mean anything. Anyone can give out X amount of money and find players who are champions of something to play a tournament. What does this tournament mean? Does it crown a champion of the 2012 MLG Season? If so, why is it such a low key event? Does it kick off the 2013 season by giving out seeding or something? Clearly not.
So what is it? It's a time sink. It's a way to get eyeballs on your stuff with minimal effort or interest. People will tune in, if you guys are lucky there'll be good games, and it'll get more attention. But I (personally, I'm not speaking for anyone else here) am really exhausted from events like this. It just cheapens the real tournaments. If DongRaeGu and Flash meet in some LAN, it's that much less epic because tournaments like this essentially say; "Hey guess what, we can just pick whoever we want, get them to play each other, and be done with it."
This is the one night stand of tournaments, except it takes three weeks.
Violet and Taeja declined to participate.
I could spin this the opposite way from how you painted it, but I don't think it will do any good. I will say that we're incredibly excited to hold this event and we do feel it is a valid tournament with valid reasoning on why the competitors were selected.
I've got your next tournament:
MLG Foreigner Hero NaNiwa, BabyKnight, Stephano, Sasquatch, SaSe, mOOnGlaDe, HuK, Socke are the players. They're the top two non-Korean players at every seasonal championship. (BK and MG tied, but Stephano repeated in the top two, so it works out.)
On November 29 2012 06:51 Laryleprakon wrote: I'm glad you invited Flash for more terran's and he is Flash but it does lookout of place compared to what everyone else has done, winning a meaningless show match qualifiers you :/ .
Flash is definitely better than DRG. He could probably win this.
On November 29 2012 07:26 MLG_Adam wrote: Parting and Rain had their 'championship' listed to show what event they won in 2012 as they were replacing Violet and Taeja [winners of MLG].
On November 29 2012 07:27 DJHelium wrote: So why doesn't it say Life (Fall Championship, GSL Season 4), like the others with multiple tournament wins. I know it's a small thing but still.
You don't like reading, do you?
And better yet, why not name the OSLs and MSLs of Flash, the GSL DRG won and so on while you're at it?
On November 29 2012 06:39 tree.hugger wrote: Enough of these random invitationals with no past or future storyline, please. I liked the arenas just fine.
I love the arenas also. I feel like there are ample storylines here: offseason mini tournament between champions of 2012.
You mentioned one storyline. Sorta. But there's not a ton of rhyme or reason to how the players were selected. I get that it's a bunch of people who won MLG events and the one KeSPA event and the one Blizzard event. Yet it's a little silly to call Flash a champion when there's no mention of viOlet who won the Spring Arena that anybody cared about.
I mean, this is great content, and I'm sure it'll be fun to watch, but it doesn't mean anything. Anyone can give out X amount of money and find players who are champions of something to play a tournament. What does this tournament mean? Does it crown a champion of the 2012 MLG Season? If so, why is it such a low key event? Does it kick off the 2013 season by giving out seeding or something? Clearly not.
So what is it? It's a time sink. It's a way to get eyeballs on your stuff with minimal effort or interest. People will tune in, if you guys are lucky there'll be good games, and it'll get more attention. But I (personally, I'm not speaking for anyone else here) am really exhausted from events like this. It just cheapens the real tournaments. If DongRaeGu and Flash meet in some LAN, it's that much less epic because tournaments like this essentially say; "Hey guess what, we can just pick whoever we want, get them to play each other, and be done with it."
This is the one night stand of tournaments, except it takes three weeks.
Violet and Taeja declined to participate.
I could spin this the opposite way from how you painted it, but I don't think it will do any good. I will say that we're incredibly excited to hold this event and we do feel it is a valid tournament with valid reasoning on why the competitors were selected.
I've got your next tournament:
MLG Foreigner Hero NaNiwa, BabyKnight, Stephano, Sasquatch, SaSe, mOOnGlaDe, HuK, Socke are the players. They're the top two non-Korean players at every seasonal championship. (BK and MG tied, but Stephano repeated in the top two, so it works out.)
This plan is superior to all other plans, including the current one. Make this happen and you have my money.
On November 29 2012 06:51 Laryleprakon wrote: I'm glad you invited Flash for more terran's and he is Flash but it does lookout of place compared to what everyone else has done, winning a meaningless show match qualifiers you :/ .
Flash is definitely better than DRG. He could probably win this.
On November 29 2012 06:51 Laryleprakon wrote: I'm glad you invited Flash for more terran's and he is Flash but it does lookout of place compared to what everyone else has done, winning a meaningless show match qualifiers you :/ .
Flash is definitely better than DRG. He could probably win this.
Flash's TvZ has looked very stubborn.
Also, DongRaeGu is still a beast - especially in ZvT. Think he will dominate flash.
Why on Taeja? If you adding MKP because he won an arena? Why not Violet and Taeja? But anyways it looks awesome, cannot wait.
Edit: I didn't read that Taeja and violet declined. I'm am sad that they did so. ㅉ Anyways it looks awesome. Thanks for the Free HD you guys at MLG are awesome.
On November 29 2012 07:40 Cubikill wrote: Why on Taeja? If you adding MKP because he won an arena? Why not Violet and Taeja? But anyways it looks awesome, cannot wait.
On November 29 2012 06:39 tree.hugger wrote: Enough of these random invitationals with no past or future storyline, please. I liked the arenas just fine.
I love the arenas also. I feel like there are ample storylines here: offseason mini tournament between champions of 2012.
You mentioned one storyline. Sorta. But there's not a ton of rhyme or reason to how the players were selected. I get that it's a bunch of people who won MLG events and the one KeSPA event and the one Blizzard event. Yet it's a little silly to call Flash a champion when there's no mention of viOlet who won the Spring Arena that anybody cared about.
I mean, this is great content, and I'm sure it'll be fun to watch, but it doesn't mean anything. Anyone can give out X amount of money and find players who are champions of something to play a tournament. What does this tournament mean? Does it crown a champion of the 2012 MLG Season? If so, why is it such a low key event? Does it kick off the 2013 season by giving out seeding or something? Clearly not.
So what is it? It's a time sink. It's a way to get eyeballs on your stuff with minimal effort or interest. People will tune in, if you guys are lucky there'll be good games, and it'll get more attention. But I (personally, I'm not speaking for anyone else here) am really exhausted from events like this. It just cheapens the real tournaments. If DongRaeGu and Flash meet in some LAN, it's that much less epic because tournaments like this essentially say; "Hey guess what, we can just pick whoever we want, get them to play each other, and be done with it."
This is the one night stand of tournaments, except it takes three weeks.
Violet and Taeja declined to participate.
I could spin this the opposite way from how you painted it, but I don't think it will do any good. I will say that we're incredibly excited to hold this event and we do feel it is a valid tournament with valid reasoning on why the competitors were selected.
I think Leenock can take Rain, he's done well against him this month at least, beating him in two series in MLG Dallas. From what I've seen both DRG and Flash have been at least a bit inconsistent but either way it's hard to tell who's got the edge on that one. I'd say the odds are in Life's favor, but watch out for the soulful Immortal Sentry all-in... soO vs MarineKing is probably the least exciting in my opinion, soO is good but MarineKing's better. From there, I'd say DRG/Flash could beat MKP, but just like the DRG/Flash match, the SF #1 would also be pretty even, to be fair. SF #2 could depend on several things too - how Leenock can deal with a ZvZ or how he can deal with the soulful all-in, or maybe even Rain vs Life or Rain vs PartinG (I think Rain would win the latter though). So for the final, I think it would be DRG/Flash/MKP vs Leenock/Life/Rain (ordered in likelihood in getting there). Oh, and if the SFs are differently bracketed, then throw all my predictions minus the QF ones.
Also, winning the KeSPA invitational isn't the greatest of accomplishments, while it did have a lot of BW pros, quite a few of them aren't strong in SC2, which allowed Flash to pretty much blitz through. Flash was a good invite though, seeing how far he made it in Dallas (no kudos to Bomber for making it that far, he's the king of inconsistency).
Parting said he manages to stay around 50/50 win/loss with Life in practice, but he also said that he Immortal-Allined 70 times without losing in practice. Sounds like he hardly wins unless he soul pushes :/
I personally love this tournament. I was a huge fan of the MvP invitation. It's becoming excessively hard to find top tier competition without having to pay for it, so this will be a welcomed tournament in my eyes. I, unfortunately, can't stay up for korean events and can't afford to pay for the VODs, and often I'm so locked up in studies that I can't watch an entire weekend tournament marathon, so its nice to have an hour or two prime-time slot locked up for high level competition.
On November 29 2012 06:39 tree.hugger wrote: Enough of these random invitationals with no past or future storyline, please. I liked the arenas just fine.
I love the arenas also. I feel like there are ample storylines here: offseason mini tournament between champions of 2012.
You mentioned one storyline. Sorta. But there's not a ton of rhyme or reason to how the players were selected. I get that it's a bunch of people who won MLG events and the one KeSPA event and the one Blizzard event. Yet it's a little silly to call Flash a champion when there's no mention of viOlet who won the Spring Arena that anybody cared about.
I mean, this is great content, and I'm sure it'll be fun to watch, but it doesn't mean anything. Anyone can give out X amount of money and find players who are champions of something to play a tournament. What does this tournament mean? Does it crown a champion of the 2012 MLG Season? If so, why is it such a low key event? Does it kick off the 2013 season by giving out seeding or something? Clearly not.
So what is it? It's a time sink. It's a way to get eyeballs on your stuff with minimal effort or interest. People will tune in, if you guys are lucky there'll be good games, and it'll get more attention. But I (personally, I'm not speaking for anyone else here) am really exhausted from events like this. It just cheapens the real tournaments. If DongRaeGu and Flash meet in some LAN, it's that much less epic because tournaments like this essentially say; "Hey guess what, we can just pick whoever we want, get them to play each other, and be done with it."
This is the one night stand of tournaments, except it takes three weeks.
Violet and Taeja declined to participate.
I could spin this the opposite way from how you painted it, but I don't think it will do any good. I will say that we're incredibly excited to hold this event and we do feel it is a valid tournament with valid reasoning on why the competitors were selected.
I've got your next tournament:
MLG Foreigner Hero NaNiwa, BabyKnight, Stephano, Sasquatch, SaSe, mOOnGlaDe, HuK, Socke are the players. They're the top two non-Korean players at every seasonal championship. (BK and MG tied, but Stephano repeated in the top two, so it works out.)
On November 29 2012 07:41 Kasaraki wrote: I laughed a bit when I saw which championship made Flash a champion.
Who cares why Flash plays there as long as he plays . They could've just written: "because he is god".
Great to see free HD from MLG and the line up is just sick. I don't care whether this tournament makes sense in the circuit or if there is a lack of story. It's free, it has awsome players, no cross server play and I think it's way better than doing nothing during the off-season. Can't wait to see the games, good job MLG!!!
On November 29 2012 06:39 tree.hugger wrote: Enough of these random invitationals with no past or future storyline, please. I liked the arenas just fine.
I love the arenas also. I feel like there are ample storylines here: offseason mini tournament between champions of 2012.
You mentioned one storyline. Sorta. But there's not a ton of rhyme or reason to how the players were selected. I get that it's a bunch of people who won MLG events and the one KeSPA event and the one Blizzard event. Yet it's a little silly to call Flash a champion when there's no mention of viOlet who won the Spring Arena that anybody cared about.
I mean, this is great content, and I'm sure it'll be fun to watch, but it doesn't mean anything. Anyone can give out X amount of money and find players who are champions of something to play a tournament. What does this tournament mean? Does it crown a champion of the 2012 MLG Season? If so, why is it such a low key event? Does it kick off the 2013 season by giving out seeding or something? Clearly not.
So what is it? It's a time sink. It's a way to get eyeballs on your stuff with minimal effort or interest. People will tune in, if you guys are lucky there'll be good games, and it'll get more attention. But I (personally, I'm not speaking for anyone else here) am really exhausted from events like this. It just cheapens the real tournaments. If DongRaeGu and Flash meet in some LAN, it's that much less epic because tournaments like this essentially say; "Hey guess what, we can just pick whoever we want, get them to play each other, and be done with it."
This is the one night stand of tournaments, except it takes three weeks.
Violet and Taeja declined to participate.
I could spin this the opposite way from how you painted it, but I don't think it will do any good. I will say that we're incredibly excited to hold this event and we do feel it is a valid tournament with valid reasoning on why the competitors were selected.
I've got your next tournament:
MLG Foreigner Hero NaNiwa, BabyKnight, Stephano, Sasquatch, SaSe, mOOnGlaDe, HuK, Socke are the players. They're the top two non-Korean players at every seasonal championship. (BK and MG tied, but Stephano repeated in the top two, so it works out.)
Would watch!
And then let the winner play vs the korean champion and there is another story .
On November 29 2012 07:40 Cubikill wrote: Why on Taeja? If you adding MKP because he won an arena? Why not Violet and Taeja? But anyways it looks awesome, cannot wait.
Edit: I didn't read that Taeja and violet declined. I'm am sad that they did so. ㅉ Anyways it looks awesome. Thanks for the Free HD you guys at MLG are awesome.
I'm definitely with Tree Hugger here. Hand picking top named players to play in a small, invite-only, somewhat exhibition type tournament does cheapen the overall experience. not only are we over-saturated with major tournaments(which is pretty cool), we're super over-saturated with exhibitions that try to be important but aren't. What does it mean to win this? why does Flash get a spot for winning a show match tournament?
I feel like when people watch enough top players play enough times because of a tournament like this, it's not going to matter that much when they meet in the GSL or in a real MLG championship, or in any other major tournament.
Though may I ask you don't get Axslav to do the top 5 plays again, he's a great analytical caster but not quite suited to a countdown. That's what Puckett is for.
Don't know why there's so much complaining. It's a free event with top end players. The only thing that could make it better was if there wasn't such a sad ST teamkill in the first round.
On November 29 2012 10:09 Vasoline73 wrote: Bunch of fan favorites... free HD... let's complain?
Just seems like a fun event that will hopefully give us some fun games. Take it for what it is!
I know right? What is not to like about this? For some it seems like if the thread title has "MLG" in it they have a Bot setup to come in and flame-spray everything... jeezus.
If I wasn't so familiar with the impossibility of impressing so many vocal forum posters, I would be shocked that people are poo-pooing a FREE HD streamed tournament with thousands of dollars on the line and eight tier 1 players.
"Meh, it's not a full weekend event"--Yeah, but they aren't shutting down the MLG pro-circuit, this is an additional tournament that offers a bite-sized dose of content--you don't have to worry about the badass games you are missing while they stream a select few.
"Meh, there's no storyline"--There are people playing a video game for thousands of dollars.
"Meh, it's a time sink with no meaning"--Your hobby is watching other people play video games, and complaining on forums. It's all a meaningless time sink. But it is fun to watch amazing players battle for money. Parting v. Life? Yes. Flash v. anyone? Yes. Anyone of these players against any other of these players? FUCK YES.
"Meh, there's no rhyme or reason to how they picked these players."--These dudes are all gosu as fuck. Perhaps there are favorites and underdogs, but all of these dudes are scary, and any one of them can win.
"Meh, it's not live, which makes it less compelling."--You know what also happens at live events? Lots of down-time. Terrible time-filling banter by exhausted casters. Long pauses when key-bindings get messed up or someone's mouse quits. This is an opportunity for MLG (and if not MLG, someone else who is forward thinking) to add some production values by doing some editing/post-production to add pre-taped post match analysis segments (or, if the matches are live casted from replays--perhaps each week do pre-taped in-depth analyses of the previous weeks match). At the very least, casting reps allows the broadcast to be quick and action-packed, with minimal waiting.
This format is new and, at minimum, worth the $0.00 you have to spend to try it. It could be a great way to bring people into SC2--people who would balk at sitting around to watch games all weekend might be willing to watch a single BoX, with a regular schedule, and no waiting 30 minutes between games because one player had to take a shit. MLG is trying something new and giving it away for free. And people whine.
"[Meh], But [1] I (personally, I'm not speaking for anyone else here) am really exhausted from events like this. It just cheapens the real tournaments. [2] If DongRaeGu and Flash meet in some LAN, it's that much less epic because [3] tournaments like this essentially say; 'Hey guess what, we can just pick whoever we want, get them to play each other, and be done with it.'"--[1] Too exhausted to watch one SC2 matchup per week, but never to exhausted to complain. If you don't like the tournament, don't watch it. Don't shit on an attempt at a new format that costs you nothing, and could be amazing. [2] If DRG and Flash play at 8:45 in open the loser bracket of MLG after playing for 7 straight hours, and DRG loses because he's exhausted, it's not that epic. Any high profile tournament match between two top pros, with money on the line has potential to add to the storyline. [3] MLG is one of maybe four organizations that can get all these players to play each other.
TL;DR--New tournament with top level players, in a new and interesting format with a bonus analysis show offered for free in HD, offered in bite-sized chunks for viewing convenience with rebroadcasts to fit your schedule. If you complain about this, please go outside and get some fresh air.
On November 29 2012 13:28 memcpy wrote: Just wanted to post in an attempt to counterbalance the haters. Free HD tournament with the top players! Thank you!!!
LOGIC ON the internet get out. cant wait ill be watching
On November 29 2012 06:25 Hiea wrote: I know Flash is popular and all.. but he has yet to actually reach the finals of anything in SC2, and you also call him the MLG/KeSPA champion which soO won..
Flash won the KESPA invitational in Anaheim.
I don't really think the KESPA invitational was that big of a deal, It wasn't the highest level of SC 2, it was really just a lets hype up the KESPA guys in a controlled environment. Now this event is more exciting because it has a good amount of solid players. Personally I'm rooting for MKP and DRG.
On November 29 2012 06:25 Hiea wrote: I know Flash is popular and all.. but he has yet to actually reach the finals of anything in SC2, and you also call him the MLG/KeSPA champion which soO won..
Flash won the KESPA invitational in Anaheim.
I don't really think the KESPA invitational was that big of a deal, It wasn't the highest level of SC 2, it was really just a lets hype up the KESPA guys in a controlled environment. Now this event is more exciting because it has a good amount of solid players. Personally I'm rooting for MKP and DRG.
Literally every single person on the planet would rather watch a tournament with Flash in it.
On November 29 2012 06:26 Shinta) wrote: Awesome tournament, but MKP is Terran, not protoss.
Also, prize money so small....... I know MLG does so much, but will be a great day when they can do just as much and include nice prize pools!
Or hold more small tournaments for less famous players to promote semi pro SC2 careers.
Small prizes? 8 person single elimination event played online for $7,000? Seems fine to me.
Yes....That's even a little luxury for a onlie match especially the quantity of matches is so few... But compare to the offline race , it's actually short
On November 29 2012 06:25 Hiea wrote: I know Flash is popular and all.. but he has yet to actually reach the finals of anything in SC2, and you also call him the MLG/KeSPA champion which soO won..
I believe it's referring to the time when Flash as well as 7 other KeSPA players got invited to play each other at MLG and Flash took the title. This was way back though. Some sick games and who can forget that all in against Stork lol.
Free tournament, great players excellent job! I'd have avoided a 1st round team kill and tried to make the team kill into round 2 if it is to happen, (more buildup if it does happen, you still get a finals without a possibility of a teamkill and if it doesn't happen and you avoid it all together, that is fine to most people) but even that is minor in the grand scheme of things. Great work!
On November 29 2012 15:32 MateShade wrote: No hero?
.................. MLG kespa invitational means more than back to back dreamhacks? yeah right....
That's Dreamhack. This is MLG. The two are not the same thing.
PartinG (Battle.net World Championship) Rain (2012 OSL Finals)
................. >> .... ... .
k good argument
There's a KeSpa - MLG cooperation, so the OSL is there for a good reason. The KeSpa Invitational was kind of nonsense, because it was too early for the KeSpa players to really be any good at SC2, but as Taeja and viOlet declined their participation, the KeSpa Invitational (It's a MLG Tournament a least) and the BWC finals (Well... Biggest tournament ofthe year?) seem to be a reasonable choice, in my opinion.
On November 29 2012 15:32 MateShade wrote: No hero?
.................. MLG kespa invitational means more than back to back dreamhacks? yeah right....
That's Dreamhack. This is MLG. The two are not the same thing.
PartinG (Battle.net World Championship) Rain (2012 OSL Finals)
................. >> .... ... .
k good argument
There's a KeSpa - MLG cooperation, so the OSL is there for a good reason. The KeSpa Invitational was kind of nonsense, because it was too early for the KeSpa players to really be any good at SC2, but as Taeja and viOlet declined their participation, the KeSpa Invitational (It's a MLG Tournament a least) and the BWC finals (Well... Biggest tournament ofthe year?) seem to be a reasonable choice, in my opinion.
ACtually the replacements are OSL and BWC not kespa invitational and BWC...so ye flash gets in because he was the best in a bunch of bad players at an invitational when kespa players were way worse than they are now at sc2
On November 29 2012 15:32 MateShade wrote: No hero?
.................. MLG kespa invitational means more than back to back dreamhacks? yeah right....
That's Dreamhack. This is MLG. The two are not the same thing.
PartinG (Battle.net World Championship) Rain (2012 OSL Finals)
................. >> .... ... .
k good argument
There's a KeSpa - MLG cooperation, so the OSL is there for a good reason. The KeSpa Invitational was kind of nonsense, because it was too early for the KeSpa players to really be any good at SC2, but as Taeja and viOlet declined their participation, the KeSpa Invitational (It's a MLG Tournament a least) and the BWC finals (Well... Biggest tournament ofthe year?) seem to be a reasonable choice, in my opinion.
ACtually the replacements are OSL and BWC not kespa invitational and BWC...so ye flash gets in because he was the best in a bunch of bad players at an invitational when kespa players were way worse than they are now at sc2
Yeah, and he was the best out of those players at that time during an MLG tournament. What exactly is there not to get about that? I don't see the problem here...
As a European: WHY DID YOU SCHEDULE IT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WEEK AND AT THAT TIME!?!?!? I gotta go to school @7:30 AM, I can't afford to stay up till 3AM in the middle of a normal week...
Aside of the nonsensical schedule, I hope it will be a great tournament and I sure plan on watching a lot of VODs.
On November 30 2012 00:58 Martyrc wrote: As a European: WHY DID YOU SCHEDULE IT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WEEK AND AT THAT TIME!?!?!? I gotta go to school @7:30 AM, I can't afford to stay up till 3AM in the middle of a normal week...
Aside of the nonsensical schedule, I hope it will be a great tournament and I sure plan on watching a lot of VODs.
lol it's an American organization. It actually starts a little early for a weekday.
On November 30 2012 00:58 Martyrc wrote: As a European: WHY DID YOU SCHEDULE IT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WEEK AND AT THAT TIME!?!?!? I gotta go to school @7:30 AM, I can't afford to stay up till 3AM in the middle of a normal week...
Aside of the nonsensical schedule, I hope it will be a great tournament and I sure plan on watching a lot of VODs.
Dreamhack was broadcast during American Thanksgiving, payback is a bitch.
Seriously, people need to stop posting about event broadcast times. These folks cannot control the sun.
On November 30 2012 02:35 L3uCh7f3u3r wrote: Yeah, another tournament with koreans only, awesome to be a foreigner with no one to cheer for ...
I am with you brother. Where is my "Kings of all places that are not Korea" event? I am pretty done with Koreans being flown to NA events, seeded into groups, crushing NA players and then people staying its the NA players fault because they didn't practice enough.
On November 30 2012 00:58 Martyrc wrote: As a European: WHY DID YOU SCHEDULE IT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WEEK AND AT THAT TIME!?!?!? I gotta go to school @7:30 AM, I can't afford to stay up till 3AM in the middle of a normal week...
Aside of the nonsensical schedule, I hope it will be a great tournament and I sure plan on watching a lot of VODs.
FFS quit bitching about this... Every time an MLG event comes around there are foreigners that complain about when the tournament runs. It is no different then when GSL runs, Dreamhack, or any other tournament. Why the hell would you complain about a tournament taking place in that time zone? You think they should change everything around based on other countries? Sorry, that's not how it works. Look, I get it. It sucks missing your favorite tournaments. I'm at work for every damn Dreamhack; but complaining about it like this only makes you look ignorant.
On November 30 2012 00:58 Martyrc wrote: As a European: WHY DID YOU SCHEDULE IT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WEEK AND AT THAT TIME!?!?!? I gotta go to school @7:30 AM, I can't afford to stay up till 3AM in the middle of a normal week...
Aside of the nonsensical schedule, I hope it will be a great tournament and I sure plan on watching a lot of VODs.
Dreamhack was broadcast during American Thanksgiving, payback is a bitch.
Seriously, people need to stop posting about event broadcast times. These folks cannot control the sun.
Isn't tournament of Champions trademarked by PSA (Professional Squash Association), due to the incredibly big tournament in grand central every year, called the tournament of champions
On November 30 2012 02:35 L3uCh7f3u3r wrote: Yeah, another tournament with koreans only, awesome to be a foreigner with no one to cheer for ...
I am with you brother. Where is my "Kings of all places that are not Korea" event? I am pretty done with Koreans being flown to NA events, seeded into groups, crushing NA players and then people staying its the NA players fault because they didn't practice enough.
So lets reward the NA players for playing not as good as the koreans. NA player tournaments only, is that really what you want?
OK, if both DRG and MKP win we have what could be an orgasm inducing seires. It is also what many tournys woudl want to have as a final. And Life vs Paring is what coudl very well be a final in any tourney.\ Leenock vs Rain also could be a final. And what is MKP died, so DRG won (no offence to DRG, im just a huge MKP fan boy) and rain won on side of the braket we will basically have the OSL finals again.
On November 30 2012 00:58 Martyrc wrote: As a European: WHY DID YOU SCHEDULE IT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WEEK AND AT THAT TIME!?!?!? I gotta go to school @7:30 AM, I can't afford to stay up till 3AM in the middle of a normal week...
Aside of the nonsensical schedule, I hope it will be a great tournament and I sure plan on watching a lot of VODs.
FFS quit bitching about this... Every time an MLG event comes around there are foreigners that complain about when the tournament runs. It is no different then when GSL runs, Dreamhack, or any other tournament. Why the hell would you complain about a tournament taking place in that time zone? You think they should change everything around based on other countries? Sorry, that's not how it works. Look, I get it. It sucks missing your favorite tournaments. I'm at work for every damn Dreamhack; but complaining about it like this only makes you look ignorant.
You sir, well said. How "non-sensical" of the hosts indeed.
This is an awesome event that pretty much seems like it popped up but so many koreans and no foreigners at all @.@ may as well get Tastosis to cast this and call it MLGSL
On November 30 2012 02:35 L3uCh7f3u3r wrote: Yeah, another tournament with koreans only, awesome to be a foreigner with no one to cheer for ...
I am with you brother. Where is my "Kings of all places that are not Korea" event? I am pretty done with Koreans being flown to NA events, seeded into groups, crushing NA players and then people staying its the NA players fault because they didn't practice enough.
Pretty much the foreign scene is expected to die just as it did in BW, giving all the power back to KeSPA/OGN. HoTS will delay this a bit.
On November 30 2012 02:35 L3uCh7f3u3r wrote: Yeah, another tournament with koreans only, awesome to be a foreigner with no one to cheer for ...
I am with you brother. Where is my "Kings of all places that are not Korea" event? I am pretty done with Koreans being flown to NA events, seeded into groups, crushing NA players and then people staying its the NA players fault because they didn't practice enough.
Pretty much the foreign scene is expected to die just as it did in BW, giving all the power back to KeSPA/OGN. HoTS will delay this a bit.
and that would mean the death of professional sc2 really, if korea is the only scene
On November 30 2012 02:35 L3uCh7f3u3r wrote: Yeah, another tournament with koreans only, awesome to be a foreigner with no one to cheer for ...
I am with you brother. Where is my "Kings of all places that are not Korea" event? I am pretty done with Koreans being flown to NA events, seeded into groups, crushing NA players and then people staying its the NA players fault because they didn't practice enough.
You guys like minor league sports?
The best NA players (hell, the best players from everywhere) want to play Koreans, because to be the best you have to beat the best. Yes, there are few opportunities for NA players to get to the highest level, but you don't get them there by holding special tournaments that exclude the best players.
Plus, plenty of Korean event winners blast through the open bracket, and plenty of foreigners tank out of groups.
Why be racist/nationalist/regionalist? If you want to root for your hometown hero when he's playing, go for it. But if you can only root for people who look like you or come from where you are from, I feel sorry for you.
This event seems like a watered down Blizzard Cup. Played online and no representation from other premier tournament winners. Having a few foreigners would at least differentiate it from the Blizzard Cup, but it's another Korea party.
drg/flash/life/leenock/parting/mkp/rain? and people whine about the lineup? whats wrong with you guys? its the best possible line up imo (considering mvp is inactive/retired). Ok maybe there was room for another T but its a superb lineup!
On November 30 2012 02:35 L3uCh7f3u3r wrote: Yeah, another tournament with koreans only, awesome to be a foreigner with no one to cheer for ...
I am with you brother. Where is my "Kings of all places that are not Korea" event? I am pretty done with Koreans being flown to NA events, seeded into groups, crushing NA players and then people staying its the NA players fault because they didn't practice enough.
please explain why american players don't win if the answer isn't "they're not as good"
On November 30 2012 00:58 Martyrc wrote: As a European: WHY DID YOU SCHEDULE IT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WEEK AND AT THAT TIME!?!?!? I gotta go to school @7:30 AM, I can't afford to stay up till 3AM in the middle of a normal week...
Aside of the nonsensical schedule, I hope it will be a great tournament and I sure plan on watching a lot of VODs.
FFS quit bitching about this... Every time an MLG event comes around there are foreigners that complain about when the tournament runs. It is no different then when GSL runs, Dreamhack, or any other tournament. Why the hell would you complain about a tournament taking place in that time zone? You think they should change everything around based on other countries? Sorry, that's not how it works. Look, I get it. It sucks missing your favorite tournaments. I'm at work for every damn Dreamhack; but complaining about it like this only makes you look ignorant.
From someone in the US the time is pretty dumb imo. Should be 2-3 hours later, more ppl in us would be able to watch and europe could catch it early morning instead of the middle of the night.
From someone in the US the time is pretty dumb imo. Should be 2-3 hours later, more ppl in us would be able to watch and europe could catch it early morning instead of the middle of the night.
There is an instant rebroadcast and free VoDs going up almost instantly.
On November 30 2012 02:35 L3uCh7f3u3r wrote: Yeah, another tournament with koreans only, awesome to be a foreigner with no one to cheer for ...
I am with you brother. Where is my "Kings of all places that are not Korea" event? I am pretty done with Koreans being flown to NA events, seeded into groups, crushing NA players and then people staying its the NA players fault because they didn't practice enough.
please explain why american players don't win if the answer isn't "they're not as good"
Like he said, its because we keep allowing Koreans to show up at these things at all. Then they win, giving us higher skill games than the american players would have, its a travesty!
There's plenty of people to cheer for. Parting and his soulful immortal all ins, the elephants, MKP who is a terran beast, plus some zerg players.
It's SC, you can always just be a racist and cheer for whatever race you play or against whatever race you like the least. Maybe get a snack or browse TL if its a mirror.
On December 04 2012 09:10 Oreo7 wrote: Events like this is why the scene is oversaturated
Indeed. Its an online tournament, which isnt played live and right now we have the ironsquid 2. And for the guys crying about foreigners, well maybe foreigners should win stuff to be at such a tournament...
EPT![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/a7gvd.jpg)
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DongRaeGu (Spring Arena 1, Spring Championship)
Flash (KeSPA Invitational at Spring Championship)
PartinG (Battle.net World Championship)
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