• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 18:20
CEST 00:20
KST 07:20
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S RO12 Preview: Cure, Zoun, Solar, Creator2[ASL19] Finals Preview: Daunting Task30[ASL19] Ro4 Recap : The Peak15DreamHack Dallas 2025 - Info & Preview21herO wins GSL Code S Season 1 (2025)18
Community News
Weekly Cups (May 19-25): Hindsight is 20/20?0DreamHack Dallas 2025 - Official Replay Pack8[BSL20] RO20 Group Stage2EWC 2025 Regional Qualifiers (May 28-June 1)9Weekly Cups (May 12-18): Clem sweeps WardiTV May3
StarCraft 2
General
Can anyone explain to me why u cant veto a matchup DreamHack Dallas 2025 - Official Replay Pack Code S RO12 Preview: Cure, Zoun, Solar, Creator herO wins GSL Code S Season 1 (2025) DreamHack Dallas 2025 - Info & Preview
Tourneys
[GSL 2025] Code S:Season 2 - RO12 - Group A DreamHack Dallas 2025 SOOPer7s Showmatches 2025 StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 475 Hard Target Mutation # 474 Futile Resistance Mutation # 473 Cold is the Void Mutation # 472 Dead Heat
Brood War
General
Will foreigners ever be able to challenge Koreans? BGH auto balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ GG Lan Party Bulgaria (Live in about 3 hours) BW General Discussion Recent recommended BW games
Tourneys
[ASL19] Grand Finals [BSL20] GosuLeague RO16 - Tue & Wed 20:00+CET [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL19] Ro8 Day 4
Strategy
I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
LiquidLegends to reintegrate into TL.net
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Plays: Diplomacy TL Mafia: Generative Agents Showdown Survivor II: The Amazon
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Trading/Investing Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread NHL Playoffs 2024 Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Cleaning My Mechanical Keyboard How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL.net Ten Commandments
Blogs
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Yes Sir! How Commanding Impr…
TrAiDoS
Poker
Nebuchad
Info SLEgma_12
SLEgma_12
SECOND COMMING
XenOsky
WombaT’s Old BW Terran Theme …
WombaT
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 11377 users

Revival leaves TSL - Page 9

Forum Index > SC2 General
199 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 7 8 9 10 Next All
furo
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany449 Posts
November 28 2012 10:47 GMT
#161
On November 28 2012 18:53 Shinta) wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 18:24 Psychobabas wrote:
How come people don't expect stuff like this?

Revival can potentially be given an opportunity to travel the world and win easy (easier) money, rather than share a packed pro-house in some flat in Seoul with another 10 Koreans all crammed up. Makes sense to me.

You think they arent jealous of Puma in that amazing EG house in Arizona or ForGG travelling in France?

If I were a pro gamer, I would rather be good than to live in a fancy house.


dont kid yourself

player A works 6h/day and gets ~3k/month total
player B works 10h/day and gets 2k/month total

and you want to be player B?

yes i pulled numbers out of my ass :p
masterbreti
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)2711 Posts
November 28 2012 12:28 GMT
#162
On November 28 2012 19:47 furo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 18:53 Shinta) wrote:
On November 28 2012 18:24 Psychobabas wrote:
How come people don't expect stuff like this?

Revival can potentially be given an opportunity to travel the world and win easy (easier) money, rather than share a packed pro-house in some flat in Seoul with another 10 Koreans all crammed up. Makes sense to me.

You think they arent jealous of Puma in that amazing EG house in Arizona or ForGG travelling in France?

If I were a pro gamer, I would rather be good than to live in a fancy house.


dont kid yourself

player A works 6h/day and gets ~3k/month total
player B works 10h/day and gets 2k/month total

and you want to be player B?

yes i pulled numbers out of my ass :p


I'll do a slightly more accurate number crunching for you

Player A works 10 hours a day and gets 0 a month total (esf player)
Player B works 8 hours a day and gets 500 a month total ( Korean player on foreign team)


Player A Get his entire expenses covered for him. He doesn't have to worry about anything but playing and being his best. He lives with his friends and gets to have fun in his free time with his friends.

Player B gets 500 a month, works almost the same hours but lives with his family, and doesn't get much time to see his friends, since he has to travel across the city to see them. He also has to listen to his family complain about his career and try to force him into a career that is more "proper" and makes more money.

Player A improves rapidly and always is up to date with the current meta game, and has people whom he can bounce ideas and practice with.

Player B doesn't have many practice partners, and is unable to bounce ideas off of anyone.

Player A has a good chance of mkaing it into Code A, which although not a lot of money, he can make a lot if he improves and does well.

Player B has very little chance of doing well in or ourside Korea, since the competition is so swamped in foreign compeitions that being a Code A level player isn't going to get you very far.

That is a lot more accurate than your tbh. Although Player B will benefit in the short term, in the long term he likely won't make as much money. Someone like revival though won't do well, since he isn't a top tier player, although he is extremely good, he has a wealth of competition.
Psychobabas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
2531 Posts
November 28 2012 12:44 GMT
#163
On November 28 2012 21:28 masterbreti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 19:47 furo wrote:
On November 28 2012 18:53 Shinta) wrote:
On November 28 2012 18:24 Psychobabas wrote:
How come people don't expect stuff like this?

Revival can potentially be given an opportunity to travel the world and win easy (easier) money, rather than share a packed pro-house in some flat in Seoul with another 10 Koreans all crammed up. Makes sense to me.

You think they arent jealous of Puma in that amazing EG house in Arizona or ForGG travelling in France?

If I were a pro gamer, I would rather be good than to live in a fancy house.


dont kid yourself

player A works 6h/day and gets ~3k/month total
player B works 10h/day and gets 2k/month total

and you want to be player B?

yes i pulled numbers out of my ass :p


I'll do a slightly more accurate number crunching for you

Player A works 10 hours a day and gets 0 a month total (esf player)
Player B works 8 hours a day and gets 500 a month total ( Korean player on foreign team)


Player A Get his entire expenses covered for him. He doesn't have to worry about anything but playing and being his best. He lives with his friends and gets to have fun in his free time with his friends.

Player B gets 500 a month, works almost the same hours but lives with his family, and doesn't get much time to see his friends, since he has to travel across the city to see them. He also has to listen to his family complain about his career and try to force him into a career that is more "proper" and makes more money.

Player A improves rapidly and always is up to date with the current meta game, and has people whom he can bounce ideas and practice with.

Player B doesn't have many practice partners, and is unable to bounce ideas off of anyone.

Player A has a good chance of mkaing it into Code A, which although not a lot of money, he can make a lot if he improves and does well.

Player B has very little chance of doing well in or ourside Korea, since the competition is so swamped in foreign compeitions that being a Code A level player isn't going to get you very far.

That is a lot more accurate than your tbh. Although Player B will benefit in the short term, in the long term he likely won't make as much money. Someone like revival though won't do well, since he isn't a top tier player, although he is extremely good, he has a wealth of competition.


I would agree with you if it wasn't for the fact that in SC2 the difference in skill can be extremely small in addition to how easy it is for a less-skilled player to take games off a higher-skilled. Your explanation worked in Brood War...
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
November 28 2012 13:35 GMT
#164
Looking for a foreign team i supose.

Your not going to get the practice regime from there m8. best of luck.
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
November 28 2012 13:50 GMT
#165
Team Acer
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
November 28 2012 14:08 GMT
#166
On November 28 2012 22:50 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Team Acer

Not enough gosu Zergs on that team as it it? XD If he is going for a foreign team my guess is Millennium.
Krogan
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden375 Posts
November 28 2012 14:55 GMT
#167
AxRevival, Axium could use a zerg.
denchikun501
Profile Joined August 2011
51 Posts
November 28 2012 14:56 GMT
#168
WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

T________________T
Every Chance taken is another chance to Win <---> ♥ R ♥ E ♥ V ♥ I ♥ V ♥ A ♥ L ♥
rasender872
Profile Joined October 2011
Finland10 Posts
November 28 2012 15:02 GMT
#169
This was a suprise but best of luck to both Revival and TSL hope u both will do well.
Marine-SCV all-in FTW!
TheRealNanMan
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1471 Posts
November 28 2012 15:09 GMT
#170
I think it's good that Revival is looking for a new start hopefully that'll spark some more motivation in him
Sc2 Caster | Host of Sc2 Up & Coming | The Godfather of Team LXG | Sc2 Historian | Youtube.com/NanMan | Twitch.tv/TheRealNanMan | Twitter.com/TheRealNanMan |
denchikun501
Profile Joined August 2011
51 Posts
November 28 2012 15:12 GMT
#171
On November 28 2012 07:45 ES.Genie wrote:
Wow that was unexpected. Whenever I thought of TSL the name Revival came to my mind. He was never their ace or star-player, but was there since forever and it will be extremely weird to see him with a new team. But gl, I guess.



YEAH!!! I'm so sad with the news..
It's break my heart reading this........
Every Chance taken is another chance to Win <---> ♥ R ♥ E ♥ V ♥ I ♥ V ♥ A ♥ L ♥
creamyturtle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States487 Posts
November 28 2012 15:16 GMT
#172
This seems to be happening to a lot of mid-tier Korean pros. They aren't winning any major tourneys or saving up money so they feel like they are treading water with eSF teams. The problem is, most of these players aren't accomplished enough or well known enough to land a gig with a foreign team. Look at Genius, he is probably the best unsigned Korean pro at the moment and he has been without a team for months. If Genius can't land one, I'm not sure this was the best move by Revival.
Terran it up.
Melliflue
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom1389 Posts
November 28 2012 15:18 GMT
#173
I'm not sure how easy it will be for Revival to find a new team. Afaik Yugioh is still free and if he hasn't been able to find a team yet I don't know how Revival will do.

On November 28 2012 23:55 Krogan wrote:
AxRevival, Axium could use a zerg.

They already signed Miya. I'm not saying they won't sign Revival but they do have a zerg, and at the moment Axiom has one player of each race so I don't think they need to go after a particular race.
Martyrc
Profile Joined May 2012
217 Posts
November 28 2012 15:54 GMT
#174
ax.Revival incoming.
¨First in, last out.¨
denchikun501
Profile Joined August 2011
51 Posts
November 28 2012 15:58 GMT
#175
On November 28 2012 09:22 VirgilSC2 wrote:
NO!!
The last Old School TSL member is gone

I <3 you Revival!



Yeah!! So Sad!!!

Well, GL to him.. I wish he can find a new team soon..
Every Chance taken is another chance to Win <---> ♥ R ♥ E ♥ V ♥ I ♥ V ♥ A ♥ L ♥
Steel
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Japan2283 Posts
November 28 2012 15:59 GMT
#176
On November 28 2012 21:44 Psychobabas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 21:28 masterbreti wrote:
On November 28 2012 19:47 furo wrote:
On November 28 2012 18:53 Shinta) wrote:
On November 28 2012 18:24 Psychobabas wrote:
How come people don't expect stuff like this?

Revival can potentially be given an opportunity to travel the world and win easy (easier) money, rather than share a packed pro-house in some flat in Seoul with another 10 Koreans all crammed up. Makes sense to me.

You think they arent jealous of Puma in that amazing EG house in Arizona or ForGG travelling in France?

If I were a pro gamer, I would rather be good than to live in a fancy house.


dont kid yourself

player A works 6h/day and gets ~3k/month total
player B works 10h/day and gets 2k/month total

and you want to be player B?

yes i pulled numbers out of my ass :p


I'll do a slightly more accurate number crunching for you

Player A works 10 hours a day and gets 0 a month total (esf player)
Player B works 8 hours a day and gets 500 a month total ( Korean player on foreign team)


Player A Get his entire expenses covered for him. He doesn't have to worry about anything but playing and being his best. He lives with his friends and gets to have fun in his free time with his friends.

Player B gets 500 a month, works almost the same hours but lives with his family, and doesn't get much time to see his friends, since he has to travel across the city to see them. He also has to listen to his family complain about his career and try to force him into a career that is more "proper" and makes more money.

Player A improves rapidly and always is up to date with the current meta game, and has people whom he can bounce ideas and practice with.

Player B doesn't have many practice partners, and is unable to bounce ideas off of anyone.

Player A has a good chance of mkaing it into Code A, which although not a lot of money, he can make a lot if he improves and does well.

Player B has very little chance of doing well in or ourside Korea, since the competition is so swamped in foreign compeitions that being a Code A level player isn't going to get you very far.

That is a lot more accurate than your tbh. Although Player B will benefit in the short term, in the long term he likely won't make as much money. Someone like revival though won't do well, since he isn't a top tier player, although he is extremely good, he has a wealth of competition.


I would agree with you if it wasn't for the fact that in SC2 the difference in skill can be extremely small in addition to how easy it is for a less-skilled player to take games off a higher-skilled. Your explanation worked in Brood War...


Meh, when you look at players like taeja or hero who have so much raw skill, the lack of practice partners really shows when they play in the gsl
Try another route paperboy.
Pjorren
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden777 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-28 16:10:09
November 28 2012 16:09 GMT
#177
Team Acer moving in to the korean scene.
Acer Zerg team...
Dr.Anders
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark19 Posts
November 28 2012 16:11 GMT
#178
Liquid.Revival!, I think this could be an awesome addition to the Liquid team, I mean, one more zerg never hurts! This is even though Liquid already has three zergs, I still think he could be a valuable choice. Especially if Liquid plans on getting into GSTL...
Curing the disease
starchosengirl
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia39 Posts
November 28 2012 16:27 GMT
#179
On November 29 2012 01:11 Dr.Anders wrote:
Liquid.Revival!, I think this could be an awesome addition to the Liquid team, I mean, one more zerg never hurts! This is even though Liquid already has three zergs, I still think he could be a valuable choice. Especially if Liquid plans on getting into GSTL...



yea they definitely need another good zerg
Be careful when you fight the monsters, lest you become one. Friedrich Nietzsche
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
November 28 2012 16:29 GMT
#180
On November 29 2012 00:59 Steel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 21:44 Psychobabas wrote:
On November 28 2012 21:28 masterbreti wrote:
On November 28 2012 19:47 furo wrote:
On November 28 2012 18:53 Shinta) wrote:
On November 28 2012 18:24 Psychobabas wrote:
How come people don't expect stuff like this?

Revival can potentially be given an opportunity to travel the world and win easy (easier) money, rather than share a packed pro-house in some flat in Seoul with another 10 Koreans all crammed up. Makes sense to me.

You think they arent jealous of Puma in that amazing EG house in Arizona or ForGG travelling in France?

If I were a pro gamer, I would rather be good than to live in a fancy house.


dont kid yourself

player A works 6h/day and gets ~3k/month total
player B works 10h/day and gets 2k/month total

and you want to be player B?

yes i pulled numbers out of my ass :p


I'll do a slightly more accurate number crunching for you

Player A works 10 hours a day and gets 0 a month total (esf player)
Player B works 8 hours a day and gets 500 a month total ( Korean player on foreign team)


Player A Get his entire expenses covered for him. He doesn't have to worry about anything but playing and being his best. He lives with his friends and gets to have fun in his free time with his friends.

Player B gets 500 a month, works almost the same hours but lives with his family, and doesn't get much time to see his friends, since he has to travel across the city to see them. He also has to listen to his family complain about his career and try to force him into a career that is more "proper" and makes more money.

Player A improves rapidly and always is up to date with the current meta game, and has people whom he can bounce ideas and practice with.

Player B doesn't have many practice partners, and is unable to bounce ideas off of anyone.

Player A has a good chance of mkaing it into Code A, which although not a lot of money, he can make a lot if he improves and does well.

Player B has very little chance of doing well in or ourside Korea, since the competition is so swamped in foreign compeitions that being a Code A level player isn't going to get you very far.

That is a lot more accurate than your tbh. Although Player B will benefit in the short term, in the long term he likely won't make as much money. Someone like revival though won't do well, since he isn't a top tier player, although he is extremely good, he has a wealth of competition.


I would agree with you if it wasn't for the fact that in SC2 the difference in skill can be extremely small in addition to how easy it is for a less-skilled player to take games off a higher-skilled. Your explanation worked in Brood War...


Meh, when you look at players like taeja or hero who have so much raw skill, the lack of practice partners really shows when they play in the gsl

didn't stop them from getting multiple top4/top8 this year, which is quite a lot better than most progamers on a team haha
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Prev 1 7 8 9 10 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL: GosuLeague
19:00
RO16 SWISS - Round 3
Semih vs cavapoo
Hejek vs TousaN
ZZZero.O122
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft287
Livibee 186
JuggernautJason163
CosmosSc2 22
StarCraft: Brood War
ZZZero.O 122
Dota 2
febbydoto12
Counter-Strike
fl0m1496
Stewie2K1156
flusha446
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0270
AZ_Axe90
Heroes of the Storm
Grubby4483
Other Games
tarik_tv10945
summit1g9706
mouzStarbuck318
ViBE198
ToD195
NightEnD42
Maynarde41
RuFF_SC231
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 23 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• kabyraGe 252
• RyuSc2 48
• musti20045 36
• davetesta33
• Migwel
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 23
• Eskiya23 22
• HerbMon 2
• Diggity1
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21692
• Ler111
League of Legends
• Doublelift3929
Other Games
• imaqtpie2214
• Scarra977
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Monday
1h 41m
GSL Code S
11h 11m
Cure vs Zoun
Solar vs Creator
The PondCast
11h 41m
Road to EWC
11h 41m
Online Event
16h 41m
Clem vs ShoWTimE
herO vs MaxPax
HupCup
16h 41m
Road to EWC
17h 41m
Road to EWC
23h 41m
GSL Code S
1d 11h
GuMiho vs Bunny
ByuN vs SHIN
Road to EWC
1d 11h
[ Show More ]
Online Event
1d 14h
Road to EWC
1d 17h
Road to EWC
1d 23h
Replay Cast
2 days
Road to EWC
2 days
Road to EWC
2 days
Road to EWC
2 days
Road to EWC
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
Road to EWC
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Road to EWC
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 19
DreamHack Dallas 2025
Calamity Stars S2

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
YSL S1
BSL Season 20
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL Season 17: Qualifier 1
Heroes 10 EU
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
ECL Season 49: Europe
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025
BLAST Open Spring 2025
ESL Pro League S21

Upcoming

CSL Season 17: Qualifier 2
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLAN 2025
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2025
2025 GSL S2
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.