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furo
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany449 Posts
November 28 2012 10:47 GMT
#161
On November 28 2012 18:53 Shinta) wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 18:24 Psychobabas wrote:
How come people don't expect stuff like this?

Revival can potentially be given an opportunity to travel the world and win easy (easier) money, rather than share a packed pro-house in some flat in Seoul with another 10 Koreans all crammed up. Makes sense to me.

You think they arent jealous of Puma in that amazing EG house in Arizona or ForGG travelling in France?

If I were a pro gamer, I would rather be good than to live in a fancy house.


dont kid yourself

player A works 6h/day and gets ~3k/month total
player B works 10h/day and gets 2k/month total

and you want to be player B?

yes i pulled numbers out of my ass :p
masterbreti
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)2711 Posts
November 28 2012 12:28 GMT
#162
On November 28 2012 19:47 furo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 18:53 Shinta) wrote:
On November 28 2012 18:24 Psychobabas wrote:
How come people don't expect stuff like this?

Revival can potentially be given an opportunity to travel the world and win easy (easier) money, rather than share a packed pro-house in some flat in Seoul with another 10 Koreans all crammed up. Makes sense to me.

You think they arent jealous of Puma in that amazing EG house in Arizona or ForGG travelling in France?

If I were a pro gamer, I would rather be good than to live in a fancy house.


dont kid yourself

player A works 6h/day and gets ~3k/month total
player B works 10h/day and gets 2k/month total

and you want to be player B?

yes i pulled numbers out of my ass :p


I'll do a slightly more accurate number crunching for you

Player A works 10 hours a day and gets 0 a month total (esf player)
Player B works 8 hours a day and gets 500 a month total ( Korean player on foreign team)


Player A Get his entire expenses covered for him. He doesn't have to worry about anything but playing and being his best. He lives with his friends and gets to have fun in his free time with his friends.

Player B gets 500 a month, works almost the same hours but lives with his family, and doesn't get much time to see his friends, since he has to travel across the city to see them. He also has to listen to his family complain about his career and try to force him into a career that is more "proper" and makes more money.

Player A improves rapidly and always is up to date with the current meta game, and has people whom he can bounce ideas and practice with.

Player B doesn't have many practice partners, and is unable to bounce ideas off of anyone.

Player A has a good chance of mkaing it into Code A, which although not a lot of money, he can make a lot if he improves and does well.

Player B has very little chance of doing well in or ourside Korea, since the competition is so swamped in foreign compeitions that being a Code A level player isn't going to get you very far.

That is a lot more accurate than your tbh. Although Player B will benefit in the short term, in the long term he likely won't make as much money. Someone like revival though won't do well, since he isn't a top tier player, although he is extremely good, he has a wealth of competition.
Psychobabas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
2531 Posts
November 28 2012 12:44 GMT
#163
On November 28 2012 21:28 masterbreti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 19:47 furo wrote:
On November 28 2012 18:53 Shinta) wrote:
On November 28 2012 18:24 Psychobabas wrote:
How come people don't expect stuff like this?

Revival can potentially be given an opportunity to travel the world and win easy (easier) money, rather than share a packed pro-house in some flat in Seoul with another 10 Koreans all crammed up. Makes sense to me.

You think they arent jealous of Puma in that amazing EG house in Arizona or ForGG travelling in France?

If I were a pro gamer, I would rather be good than to live in a fancy house.


dont kid yourself

player A works 6h/day and gets ~3k/month total
player B works 10h/day and gets 2k/month total

and you want to be player B?

yes i pulled numbers out of my ass :p


I'll do a slightly more accurate number crunching for you

Player A works 10 hours a day and gets 0 a month total (esf player)
Player B works 8 hours a day and gets 500 a month total ( Korean player on foreign team)


Player A Get his entire expenses covered for him. He doesn't have to worry about anything but playing and being his best. He lives with his friends and gets to have fun in his free time with his friends.

Player B gets 500 a month, works almost the same hours but lives with his family, and doesn't get much time to see his friends, since he has to travel across the city to see them. He also has to listen to his family complain about his career and try to force him into a career that is more "proper" and makes more money.

Player A improves rapidly and always is up to date with the current meta game, and has people whom he can bounce ideas and practice with.

Player B doesn't have many practice partners, and is unable to bounce ideas off of anyone.

Player A has a good chance of mkaing it into Code A, which although not a lot of money, he can make a lot if he improves and does well.

Player B has very little chance of doing well in or ourside Korea, since the competition is so swamped in foreign compeitions that being a Code A level player isn't going to get you very far.

That is a lot more accurate than your tbh. Although Player B will benefit in the short term, in the long term he likely won't make as much money. Someone like revival though won't do well, since he isn't a top tier player, although he is extremely good, he has a wealth of competition.


I would agree with you if it wasn't for the fact that in SC2 the difference in skill can be extremely small in addition to how easy it is for a less-skilled player to take games off a higher-skilled. Your explanation worked in Brood War...
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
November 28 2012 13:35 GMT
#164
Looking for a foreign team i supose.

Your not going to get the practice regime from there m8. best of luck.
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
November 28 2012 13:50 GMT
#165
Team Acer
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
November 28 2012 14:08 GMT
#166
On November 28 2012 22:50 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Team Acer

Not enough gosu Zergs on that team as it it? XD If he is going for a foreign team my guess is Millennium.
Krogan
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden375 Posts
November 28 2012 14:55 GMT
#167
AxRevival, Axium could use a zerg.
denchikun501
Profile Joined August 2011
51 Posts
November 28 2012 14:56 GMT
#168
WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

T________________T
Every Chance taken is another chance to Win <---> ♥ R ♥ E ♥ V ♥ I ♥ V ♥ A ♥ L ♥
rasender872
Profile Joined October 2011
Finland10 Posts
November 28 2012 15:02 GMT
#169
This was a suprise but best of luck to both Revival and TSL hope u both will do well.
Marine-SCV all-in FTW!
TheRealNanMan
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1471 Posts
November 28 2012 15:09 GMT
#170
I think it's good that Revival is looking for a new start hopefully that'll spark some more motivation in him
Sc2 Caster | Host of Sc2 Up & Coming | The Godfather of Team LXG | Sc2 Historian | Youtube.com/NanMan | Twitch.tv/TheRealNanMan | Twitter.com/TheRealNanMan |
denchikun501
Profile Joined August 2011
51 Posts
November 28 2012 15:12 GMT
#171
On November 28 2012 07:45 ES.Genie wrote:
Wow that was unexpected. Whenever I thought of TSL the name Revival came to my mind. He was never their ace or star-player, but was there since forever and it will be extremely weird to see him with a new team. But gl, I guess.



YEAH!!! I'm so sad with the news..
It's break my heart reading this........
Every Chance taken is another chance to Win <---> ♥ R ♥ E ♥ V ♥ I ♥ V ♥ A ♥ L ♥
creamyturtle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States487 Posts
November 28 2012 15:16 GMT
#172
This seems to be happening to a lot of mid-tier Korean pros. They aren't winning any major tourneys or saving up money so they feel like they are treading water with eSF teams. The problem is, most of these players aren't accomplished enough or well known enough to land a gig with a foreign team. Look at Genius, he is probably the best unsigned Korean pro at the moment and he has been without a team for months. If Genius can't land one, I'm not sure this was the best move by Revival.
Terran it up.
Melliflue
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom1389 Posts
November 28 2012 15:18 GMT
#173
I'm not sure how easy it will be for Revival to find a new team. Afaik Yugioh is still free and if he hasn't been able to find a team yet I don't know how Revival will do.

On November 28 2012 23:55 Krogan wrote:
AxRevival, Axium could use a zerg.

They already signed Miya. I'm not saying they won't sign Revival but they do have a zerg, and at the moment Axiom has one player of each race so I don't think they need to go after a particular race.
Martyrc
Profile Joined May 2012
217 Posts
November 28 2012 15:54 GMT
#174
ax.Revival incoming.
¨First in, last out.¨
denchikun501
Profile Joined August 2011
51 Posts
November 28 2012 15:58 GMT
#175
On November 28 2012 09:22 VirgilSC2 wrote:
NO!!
The last Old School TSL member is gone

I <3 you Revival!



Yeah!! So Sad!!!

Well, GL to him.. I wish he can find a new team soon..
Every Chance taken is another chance to Win <---> ♥ R ♥ E ♥ V ♥ I ♥ V ♥ A ♥ L ♥
Steel
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Japan2283 Posts
November 28 2012 15:59 GMT
#176
On November 28 2012 21:44 Psychobabas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 21:28 masterbreti wrote:
On November 28 2012 19:47 furo wrote:
On November 28 2012 18:53 Shinta) wrote:
On November 28 2012 18:24 Psychobabas wrote:
How come people don't expect stuff like this?

Revival can potentially be given an opportunity to travel the world and win easy (easier) money, rather than share a packed pro-house in some flat in Seoul with another 10 Koreans all crammed up. Makes sense to me.

You think they arent jealous of Puma in that amazing EG house in Arizona or ForGG travelling in France?

If I were a pro gamer, I would rather be good than to live in a fancy house.


dont kid yourself

player A works 6h/day and gets ~3k/month total
player B works 10h/day and gets 2k/month total

and you want to be player B?

yes i pulled numbers out of my ass :p


I'll do a slightly more accurate number crunching for you

Player A works 10 hours a day and gets 0 a month total (esf player)
Player B works 8 hours a day and gets 500 a month total ( Korean player on foreign team)


Player A Get his entire expenses covered for him. He doesn't have to worry about anything but playing and being his best. He lives with his friends and gets to have fun in his free time with his friends.

Player B gets 500 a month, works almost the same hours but lives with his family, and doesn't get much time to see his friends, since he has to travel across the city to see them. He also has to listen to his family complain about his career and try to force him into a career that is more "proper" and makes more money.

Player A improves rapidly and always is up to date with the current meta game, and has people whom he can bounce ideas and practice with.

Player B doesn't have many practice partners, and is unable to bounce ideas off of anyone.

Player A has a good chance of mkaing it into Code A, which although not a lot of money, he can make a lot if he improves and does well.

Player B has very little chance of doing well in or ourside Korea, since the competition is so swamped in foreign compeitions that being a Code A level player isn't going to get you very far.

That is a lot more accurate than your tbh. Although Player B will benefit in the short term, in the long term he likely won't make as much money. Someone like revival though won't do well, since he isn't a top tier player, although he is extremely good, he has a wealth of competition.


I would agree with you if it wasn't for the fact that in SC2 the difference in skill can be extremely small in addition to how easy it is for a less-skilled player to take games off a higher-skilled. Your explanation worked in Brood War...


Meh, when you look at players like taeja or hero who have so much raw skill, the lack of practice partners really shows when they play in the gsl
Try another route paperboy.
Pjorren
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden777 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-28 16:10:09
November 28 2012 16:09 GMT
#177
Team Acer moving in to the korean scene.
Acer Zerg team...
Dr.Anders
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark19 Posts
November 28 2012 16:11 GMT
#178
Liquid.Revival!, I think this could be an awesome addition to the Liquid team, I mean, one more zerg never hurts! This is even though Liquid already has three zergs, I still think he could be a valuable choice. Especially if Liquid plans on getting into GSTL...
Curing the disease
starchosengirl
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia39 Posts
November 28 2012 16:27 GMT
#179
On November 29 2012 01:11 Dr.Anders wrote:
Liquid.Revival!, I think this could be an awesome addition to the Liquid team, I mean, one more zerg never hurts! This is even though Liquid already has three zergs, I still think he could be a valuable choice. Especially if Liquid plans on getting into GSTL...



yea they definitely need another good zerg
Be careful when you fight the monsters, lest you become one. Friedrich Nietzsche
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54785 Posts
November 28 2012 16:29 GMT
#180
On November 29 2012 00:59 Steel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 21:44 Psychobabas wrote:
On November 28 2012 21:28 masterbreti wrote:
On November 28 2012 19:47 furo wrote:
On November 28 2012 18:53 Shinta) wrote:
On November 28 2012 18:24 Psychobabas wrote:
How come people don't expect stuff like this?

Revival can potentially be given an opportunity to travel the world and win easy (easier) money, rather than share a packed pro-house in some flat in Seoul with another 10 Koreans all crammed up. Makes sense to me.

You think they arent jealous of Puma in that amazing EG house in Arizona or ForGG travelling in France?

If I were a pro gamer, I would rather be good than to live in a fancy house.


dont kid yourself

player A works 6h/day and gets ~3k/month total
player B works 10h/day and gets 2k/month total

and you want to be player B?

yes i pulled numbers out of my ass :p


I'll do a slightly more accurate number crunching for you

Player A works 10 hours a day and gets 0 a month total (esf player)
Player B works 8 hours a day and gets 500 a month total ( Korean player on foreign team)


Player A Get his entire expenses covered for him. He doesn't have to worry about anything but playing and being his best. He lives with his friends and gets to have fun in his free time with his friends.

Player B gets 500 a month, works almost the same hours but lives with his family, and doesn't get much time to see his friends, since he has to travel across the city to see them. He also has to listen to his family complain about his career and try to force him into a career that is more "proper" and makes more money.

Player A improves rapidly and always is up to date with the current meta game, and has people whom he can bounce ideas and practice with.

Player B doesn't have many practice partners, and is unable to bounce ideas off of anyone.

Player A has a good chance of mkaing it into Code A, which although not a lot of money, he can make a lot if he improves and does well.

Player B has very little chance of doing well in or ourside Korea, since the competition is so swamped in foreign compeitions that being a Code A level player isn't going to get you very far.

That is a lot more accurate than your tbh. Although Player B will benefit in the short term, in the long term he likely won't make as much money. Someone like revival though won't do well, since he isn't a top tier player, although he is extremely good, he has a wealth of competition.


I would agree with you if it wasn't for the fact that in SC2 the difference in skill can be extremely small in addition to how easy it is for a less-skilled player to take games off a higher-skilled. Your explanation worked in Brood War...


Meh, when you look at players like taeja or hero who have so much raw skill, the lack of practice partners really shows when they play in the gsl

didn't stop them from getting multiple top4/top8 this year, which is quite a lot better than most progamers on a team haha
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