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Didn't saw that coming:/. I really liked him at TSL. I hope he will find a new team soon.
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Too bad :/ Coach lee is gonna be sad, I think he really liked Revival :S
GL to him!
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That's actually really surprising...
Well GL to Revival anyways I guess lol
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This is unexpected. Best of luck to him.
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I'm expecting to see him Rank 1 GM on NA and/or EU within a week or two.
Seems like a popular way for free agent Korean players to promote themselves.
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Maybe he'll join Acer to boost their already swelling zerg lineup?
I admit I was joking when I wrote that down, but hey it could be a realistic possibility :x
Nonetheless, best of luck to him and I hope he finds a good team.
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maybe another acer pickup?
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Didn't expect this!
I'd like to see him going to Axiom or Team Liquid ^^
Good luck Revival! Hope you find a good team!
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Maybe it's to get around the ESF transfer ban. Leave it enough time so it looks like <Kespa team> recruited him as a free agent.
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On November 28 2012 07:38 Solarsail wrote:
Maybe it's to get around the ESF transfer ban. Leave it enough time so it looks like <Kespa team> recruited him as a free agent.
you can't really attend foreign tournaments if you're on a Kespa team.
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Hummm... And Millenium is about to add a Zerg to its lineup... [M] Revival ?
I think that would make sense !
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Oh noooo TT. Well, hope he finds out a team, even if I don't really understand his point on foreign tournaments since he plays in the last 2 MLGs and last week at IEM Singapore
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Noooo 
I really liked Revival, he might have been second fiddle Zerg to HyuN and Symbol, but he was such a special player. I'll miss him, and TSL is losing an important person in their line-up.
Thinking he will join a foreign team, either Axiom or fnatic?
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On November 28 2012 07:41 arnauyt wrote:
Hummm... And Millenium is about to add a Zerg to its lineup... [M] Revival ?
I think that would make sense !
Pretty sure it's not a Korean
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Millenium manager keep dicking around these day saying he have a new zerg addition to the team and tease people about that,could be an hint ?
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The last founding member of TSL gone, well good luck to him in the future
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Didn't see that one coming o.o
m anxious to see what team will pick him up ;O
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thought it was going to be another player going to LoL or DOTA. gl to revival, fun zerg to watch.
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Sounds similar to what BBoongBBoong said for leaving Prime. MJRevival?
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Wow that was unexpected. Whenever I thought of TSL the name Revival came to my mind. He was never their ace or star-player, but was there since forever and it will be extremely weird to see him with a new team. But gl, I guess.
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If Axiom grabs him I would be sufficiently satisfied.
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On November 28 2012 07:43 PixelNite wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 07:41 arnauyt wrote:
Hummm... And Millenium is about to add a Zerg to its lineup... [M] Revival ?
I think that would make sense !
Pretty sure it's not a Korean
And Acer tease about a new Zerg and pick MMA...
Let's see...
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T_T one of my favorite TSL members, but I hope he gets a great new team!
Revival hwaiting!~~
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He should go to startale. Come on, Life and Revival on the same team? Think of all the possibilities.
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On November 28 2012 07:49 nooboon wrote:
He should go to startale. Come on, Life and Revival on the same team? Think of all the possibilities.
fnatic would work too. aLive !!!
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TSL Era 1: FruitDealer/Tester/Clide
TSL Era 2: Alive/Killer/JYP
TSL Era 3: Polt/Symbol/Hyun
And Revival was there through it all. Now he's gone.
goodbye, revival.
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On November 28 2012 07:39 zerious wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 07:38 Solarsail wrote:
Maybe it's to get around the ESF transfer ban. Leave it enough time so it looks like <Kespa team> recruited him as a free agent. you can't really attend foreign tournaments if you're on a Kespa team.
They will force you to go to MLG at least, ask Rain, I bet he didn't want to skip GSL (Speculation, speculation, I know)
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On November 28 2012 07:47 arnauyt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 07:43 PixelNite wrote:On November 28 2012 07:41 arnauyt wrote:
Hummm... And Millenium is about to add a Zerg to its lineup... [M] Revival ?
I think that would make sense !
Pretty sure it's not a Korean And Acer tease about a new Zerg and pick MMA... Let's see...
In defense of Acer, they did pick up Cella at the same time. And I think Cella counts as Zerg.
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Revival had hit his ceiling on TSL and was reduced to the 5th string Zerg. When TSL had big GSTL matches, players like Symbol, Polt, Hyun, etc. all declined foreign tournaments to go, but Revival was allowed to play in them since he wasn't a needed player. Behind Hyun, Symbol, Shine, Ragnarok and maybe even Mamuri in the future, Revival was lost in the shuffle of a bunch of top end Zergs.
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basically he wants to get on a foreign team, get the chance to travel on someone elses dime for a while, win a few matches for the sponsors for said team, and then retire once he gets tired of the game. Can't blame the kid, it's the model a lot of players have taken.
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I literally saw him stream as TSL Revival (on his twitch account) this morning. I hope everything works out for him.
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TSL, the ever re-constructing team.
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On November 28 2012 07:45 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Sounds similar to what BBoongBBoong said for leaving Prime. MJRevival?
haha, i was thinking the exact same
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On November 28 2012 07:38 Solarsail wrote:
Maybe it's to get around the ESF transfer ban. Leave it enough time so it looks like <Kespa team> recruited him as a free agent.
you do realize it's only kespa who can't join ESF, not the other way around? Dark and some other slayers players joined SKT1 as trainees.
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What does the term "Zerg Joker Card" mean exactly in a team league? Also gl to Revival in finding a team, he's a really nice guy and has great English!
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He had/has the Liquipedia link "Portal:Teams/Europe" bookmarked in his browser.
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On November 28 2012 08:13 LowEloPlayer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 07:38 Solarsail wrote:
Maybe it's to get around the ESF transfer ban. Leave it enough time so it looks like recruited him as a free agent. you do realize it's only kespa who can't join ESF, not the other way around? Dark and some other slayers players joined SKT1 as trainees.
Dark and stuff joined because slayers disbanded. it wasn't a 'transfer'
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Clearly trying to grab gold from foreigners' tournaments.
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I figured this was happening because he wasn't streaming from the TSL house yesterday. Best of luck revival !~
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He joins EG, to join their teamhouse in Korea with Byul, JYP, Puma, Idra, Stephano and Thorzain where they will compete in Proleague.
It all makes sense. Think about it.
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Nooooooooooooo!
Did not see that coming at all :/ Hopefully he gets a new team and TSL carry on strong!
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Good luck to Revival in his endavours to get relevant.
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Maybe new Axiom Member?
I hope so :D
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what you mean " Zerg Joker Card " I don't understand...
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On November 28 2012 08:20 En3my wrote:
Maybe new Axiom Member?
I hope so :D
Me too
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Wasnt he like last original TSL member? This news kinda sad o well GL to him.
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"I don't really have any preferences. I just want to find a nice team that will be willing to send me to various foreign tournaments."
Yeah, about that...
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I totally respect his reasoning. Good luck to him!
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Luckily I got his signature at MLG dallas! =] He is a graet player and I hope he gets picked up soon with a good offer.
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hmm interesting wonder what team he'll be joining
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Honest version:
"I can't hack it in the GSL so I want to go for some easy money in foreigner tournaments. But TSL wants me to stay in Korea for GSL. So Bye Bye!"
OK maybe a little harsh but this is what it seems like. Maybe the real problem is that GSLs pay scheme is too top-heavy.
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Always really liked revival and felt he was undersppreciated. Hopefully he can find a team that suits him and he can make great strides. Excited to see what's next 
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I'm guessing that TSL simply did not have enough money to send Revival to foreign events when they couldn't even afford to send Polt to Dreamhack. TT My apologies false information
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On November 28 2012 08:34 ElMeanYo wrote:
Honest version:
"I can't hack it in the GSL so I want to go for some easy money in foreigner tournaments. But TSL wants me to stay in Korea for GSL. So Bye Bye!"
OK maybe a little harsh but this is what it seems like.
I get this feeling too. You can't blame them, they're looking for money and foreign tourneys are basically free cash for them.
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Sad in the sense that he has been around since the Tester/Fruitdealer/Clide days of TSL, but he really wasn't important in the grand scheme of things with Symbol and Hyun on the team.
The last remaining OG of TSL gone, farewell =(
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ㅜㅜ 요즘 스트림 학교때문에 못보고잇엇는데 ㅜㅜ
행운을빌을ㄲ[여 :D
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What is different about Revival leaving is because he did it amicably, not in a matter that raised controversy or hate against Coach Lee as other ex-TSL members did. Revival liked being part of TSL, but personal growth is just as important. I wonder who TSL will pick up next seeing as they have a spot open.
On November 28 2012 08:34 Phybe wrote:
I'm guessing that TSL simply did not have enough money to send Revival to foreign events when they couldn't even afford to send Polt to Dreamhack. TT
It wasn't an issue with money, it was GSTL conflicts.
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On November 28 2012 08:21 NOOBALOPSE wrote:
what you mean " Zerg Joker Card " I don't understand...
Lol. I have no idea myself.
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Revival is a really solid player, I think he'll be picked up fairly soon
Then again I thought the same way with a ton of other players that were teamless for a long time or still are teamless lol...
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On November 28 2012 08:39 SeeKeR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 08:21 NOOBALOPSE wrote:
what you mean " Zerg Joker Card " I don't understand... Lol. I have no idea myself.
Maybe because he was either very useful, or more disappointing (just like Joker cards)?
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On November 28 2012 08:39 SeeKeR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 08:21 NOOBALOPSE wrote:
what you mean " Zerg Joker Card " I don't understand... Lol. I have no idea myself.
They probably mean like a "wild card" as in someone who could randomly come out and pick up some wins occasionally but not like a core team member
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The new millenium pick is TargA and millenium hace some problems about visa for his korean players.
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I'd love to see Revival get on a foreign team. Hopefully he will stream more too
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On November 28 2012 08:43 PhoenixVoid wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 08:39 SeeKeR wrote:On November 28 2012 08:21 NOOBALOPSE wrote:
what you mean " Zerg Joker Card " I don't understand... Lol. I have no idea myself. Maybe because he was either very useful, or more disappointing (just like Joker cards)?
Well Jokers are used in poker as 'wildcards' meaning they can be used to fill in for any other card... so I think it's saying more about Revivals skill in all match-ups.
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On November 28 2012 07:31 SeeKeR wrote:
His reason was that he felt like he was playing the game way too comfortably while he was with TSL and that he no longer could get past a certain barrier to which he could become a better player.
I'm happy for him, if he is serious about this and can follow through. He does have skill but to me it always felt like he was playing on auto-pilot. Maybe he'll break past his plateau and do better for himself.
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i learned so much from revival as a zerg player. i hope he finds a team and grows, that way i can continue to be inspired by his awesome playstyle. you're a legend revival and good luck, keep us posted! ^^;
ps you need to stream more on team liquid, i really miss watching you :\
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On November 28 2012 08:34 Phybe wrote:
I'm guessing that TSL simply did not have enough money to send Revival to foreign events when they couldn't even afford to send Polt to Dreamhack. TT
no you are 100% wrong, Polt chose not to go to DH Winter because TSL had their GSTL semifinal match.
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Damn really unexpected considering the amount of faith that TSL has put into him. They send him practically everywhere and he does well but hasn't made a huge splash either.
Oh well, good luck to him. He has always shown great potential.
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That's really surprising.
I wish him good luck in finding a new team. He always interacts with his fans on his stream and jokes around. He's such a goofball.
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Fuck that cunts got a head on him he should probably switch to lol anyway
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Acer needs more Zergs and MMA will have the best TvZ in the world.
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On November 28 2012 08:34 Phybe wrote:
I'm guessing that TSL simply did not have enough money to send Revival to foreign events when they couldn't even afford to send Polt to Dreamhack. TT
Polt didn't go to DH because he had GSTL and is the captain of TSL, not because of economic problems.
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On November 28 2012 08:35 synapse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 08:34 ElMeanYo wrote:
Honest version:
"I can't hack it in the GSL so I want to go for some easy money in foreigner tournaments. But TSL wants me to stay in Korea for GSL. So Bye Bye!"
OK maybe a little harsh but this is what it seems like. I get this feeling too. You can't blame them, they're looking for money and foreign tourneys are basically free cash for them.
I don't think it will be free cash for him, he's not good enough.
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Two Things:
· Didn't expect this at all, good luck to Revival, such a good player will get a team pretty soon.
· I have 69 post, your comments are invalid.
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NO!!
The last Old School TSL member is gone
I <3 you Revival!
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You made the right call, time for hard core training ! Your efforts will pay.
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Acer is like: "Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!"
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less TSL zergs!
yes!!
now maybe they can get a protoss player that is better than inori...shouldn't be too hard...
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EG players could take a page out of revivals book. Good luck! I hope you do well and work hard and I will be glad to watch your games!
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Good luck, Revival! I'm sure he'll have a chance to join the team what he's looking for.
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Axiom has to get him. Top teamless korean. gl hf
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"I like playing in Korean tournaments but I also want to have the opportunities to participate in multiple foreign tournaments as well."
"I don't really have any preferences. I just want to find a nice team that will be willing to send me to various foreign tournaments."
Common sentiment nowadays. I wonder how much of it the scene can support.
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On November 28 2012 09:45 sevia wrote:Show nested quote +"I like playing in Korean tournaments but I also want to have the opportunities to participate in multiple foreign tournaments as well."
"I don't really have any preferences. I just want to find a nice team that will be willing to send me to various foreign tournaments." Common sentiment nowadays. I wonder how much of it the scene can support.
I hope it doesn't lead to over-saturation of foreign tournaments like how Korea is over-saturated with pros...
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On November 28 2012 09:23 canikizu wrote:
Acer is like: "Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!"
Precisely! lol... I think you've hit the nail on its head.
ERA OF THE ZERGGGGGGGGGGZ GO ACERRRRRRRRR
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On November 28 2012 09:25 neoghaleon55 wrote:
less TSL zergs!
yes!!
now maybe they can get a protoss player that is better than inori...shouldn't be too hard...
They still have Cyrano aka Value
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This has shocked me to be honest, although i can see it in his demeanor and play that he was comfortable. I do hope a team picks him up VERY fast, because he will be a GREAT GREAT asset to any team. Rooting for ya Revival~!
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While it would be cool to see him on Axiom, I'm not sure they have enough money to be acquiring even more top tier players. Going to EG for proleague seems more realistic to me. (disclaimer: I have absolutely no idea how much money Axiom has, maybe TB's mad marketing abilities is plenty sufficient)
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"I would like to cash in on some foreign tournament money" is the vibe I get. Oh well, good luck in the future.
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Get kind of tired of the better players leaving for foreign teams. Can't blame them but I mean, how much longer will foreign team be foreign? Look at Fnatic or Liquid, they are almost 50% korean ^^
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I hope Revival finds a good team : )
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Wow wow TSL losing so many players im guess he will go to Fanatic like most of his team mates FanaticRevivalRC lol such a long name!! lets see
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Awesome news, can't wait to see what the future holds for Revival and hope a great foreign team picks him up soon, he definitely will do great!
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I think this is the first time in years when TL broke the news on something before reddit.
GJ TL, obvious those liquidbets were a waste of resources.
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On November 28 2012 10:16 GIhi wrote:
Get kind of tired of the better players leaving for foreign teams. Can't blame them but I mean, how much longer will foreign team be foreign? Look at Fnatic or Liquid, they are almost 50% korean ^^
What defines a team as foreign to the koreans is the management, not the players. The fact that Liquid is owned and managed by europeans gives it its status as a foreign team. For a lot of things in Korea, even FXO.KR is cited/treated as a foreign team rather than a korean team, despite its full korean roster. Only its long GSTL history and involvement in the ESF really pushes it to the fence.
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theres no reason for me to have TSL as favorite team anymore. with Revival leaving that leaves zero original members
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Wow..... This is actually really upsetting, but he could possibly going to a team playing in Proleague? Revival is one of my favorite players to watch so I wish nothing but the best for him. Definitely was a pleasure to watch him play in GSL and MLG.
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They want that easy foreign money!
See what you've done MC!?
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Hmm... Revival isn't one of the Zergs you'd think to send out first for GSTL. Hyun, Shine, Symbol. I guess Revival didn't feel like being in the shadow. Prime would do good with a zerg like Revival, he's been pretty solid and consistent this whole time.
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Inori then Revival
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!?...
Why not find a team before leaving one?...
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On November 28 2012 10:28 MCXD wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 10:16 GIhi wrote:
Get kind of tired of the better players leaving for foreign teams. Can't blame them but I mean, how much longer will foreign team be foreign? Look at Fnatic or Liquid, they are almost 50% korean ^^ What defines a team as foreign to the koreans is the management, not the players. The fact that Liquid is owned and managed by europeans gives it its status as a foreign team. For a lot of things in Korea, even FXO.KR is cited/treated as a foreign team rather than a korean team, despite its full korean roster. Only its long GSTL history and involvement in the ESF really pushes it to the fence.
Really do people actually view FXO kr as a foreign team? I had assumed everyone like me thought of them as a korean team :o.
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On November 28 2012 11:01 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 10:28 MCXD wrote:On November 28 2012 10:16 GIhi wrote:
Get kind of tired of the better players leaving for foreign teams. Can't blame them but I mean, how much longer will foreign team be foreign? Look at Fnatic or Liquid, they are almost 50% korean ^^ What defines a team as foreign to the koreans is the management, not the players. The fact that Liquid is owned and managed by europeans gives it its status as a foreign team. For a lot of things in Korea, even FXO.KR is cited/treated as a foreign team rather than a korean team, despite its full korean roster. Only its long GSTL history and involvement in the ESF really pushes it to the fence. Really do people actually view FXO kr as a foreign team? I had assumed everyone like me thought of them as a korean team :o.
I think of them as a foreign team.
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ExcuseMe? (I can't believe no one made that joke)
Really though, I thought something might be up when I noticed he was streaming in a different location early this morning. I wish him all the best. It really doesn't seem like he left completely for the money considering he said he was basically too complacent in the TSL house and didn't feel he was getting better and wants to get better, not just get easy money (especially considering how many Playhem dailies he's won).
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Pretty good news actually if it helps him participate in more foreign tournaments.
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I remember when he beat MC in the GSTL.
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this would be a really good pickup for a foreign team!
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On November 28 2012 10:25 Apollo_Shards wrote:
I think this is the first time in years when TL broke the news on something before reddit.
GJ TL, obvious those liquidbets were a waste of resources.
Really? Cool 
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His reason was that he felt like he was playing the game way too comfortably while he was with TSL and that he no longer could get past a certain barrier to which he could become a better player.
Referring to him making Code A so many times, only to get knocked out early right? ;;
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On November 28 2012 10:59 iGn1t3 wrote:
!?...
Why not find a team before leaving one?...
he's a strong enough player to make teams say "wow, we need to try to pick him up"
he's "marketting" himself in a sense, it's a smart move
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I've been his fan for a while because he shares my name long time TSL player. One of the originals. Is there anyone left?
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On November 28 2012 11:52 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:Show nested quote +His reason was that he felt like he was playing the game way too comfortably while he was with TSL and that he no longer could get past a certain barrier to which he could become a better player. Referring to him making Code A so many times, only to get knocked out early right? ;;
Probably, or maybe because he was relegated to playing mostly in online cups for his money rather than large LANs.
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Another player that goes announces he's leaving his Korean team after attending a foreign tournament?
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classic join tsl, they get you amazing like underdog bosses and leave... hope he finds a good team.. best of luck to tsl!
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tldr: I sux, should find better chance in foreign team.
it's yay for both parties
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Revival is one of the Koreans that I see at the most foreign events... He has been to a ton in the past year. TSL seemed to send him around a lot. I wonder if they said that after so many disappointments they wouldn't be sending him anymore or something. Really seems strange to me that he would leave. I guess there is also him feeling stuck but I don't feel like that's a real reason.
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I'm a little concerned for Revival's skill in the future because all players who leave TSL generally drop in skill after reaching a skill ceiling. Or maybe the TSL curse only applies to those who left without an amicable leave (e.g. aLive, JYP, Heart).
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On November 28 2012 13:02 PhoenixVoid wrote:
I'm a little concerned for Revival's skill in the future because all players who leave TSL generally drop in skill after reaching a skill ceiling. Or maybe the TSL curse only applies to those who left without an amicable leave (e.g. aLive, JYP, Heart).
afaik JYP and Heart were pretty amicable.
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On November 28 2012 13:02 PhoenixVoid wrote:
I'm a little concerned for Revival's skill in the future because all players who leave TSL generally drop in skill after reaching a skill ceiling. Or maybe the TSL curse only applies to those who left without an amicable leave (e.g. aLive, JYP, Heart).
... Wait, so Heart's skill has dropped when he went from an average unknown fringe Korean to a staple top eight at MLGs? And correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't aLive win IPL4 as Fnatic?
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Was wondering why Revival was not in any TSL hoodie/shirt when i took a picture with him at IEM, now i know D:
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Sad news. Hope he finds a good team.
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Seeking a revival in another team!
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On November 28 2012 13:24 Pokebunny wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 13:02 PhoenixVoid wrote:
I'm a little concerned for Revival's skill in the future because all players who leave TSL generally drop in skill after reaching a skill ceiling. Or maybe the TSL curse only applies to those who left without an amicable leave (e.g. aLive, JYP, Heart). ... Wait, so Heart's skill has dropped when he went from an average unknown fringe Korean to a staple top eight at MLGs? And correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't aLive win IPL4 as Fnatic?
Yeah alive did quiet a few awesome things while on fnatic lol. JYP was in code S ro16 a couple seasons ago to and he hasn't been on TSL in awhile, he was consistantly in code S until recently.
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I really liked Revival on TSL, anxious to see where he ends up and hoping that he can continue to improve.
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On November 28 2012 14:52 whereismymind wrote:
AxiomRevival gg
I would be happy with that, he deserves more exposure for sure.
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He going to maybe join Axiom or Millenium imo.
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We need another Korean Protoss and Zerg on Team Liquid :D *hint**hint*
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Translation: He'd be less "comfortable" sitting on a full wallet.
Can't begrudge a guy for that.. could do without the fluff though. Koreans are like marshmallows in that regard..
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On November 28 2012 13:24 Pokebunny wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 13:02 PhoenixVoid wrote:
I'm a little concerned for Revival's skill in the future because all players who leave TSL generally drop in skill after reaching a skill ceiling. Or maybe the TSL curse only applies to those who left without an amicable leave (e.g. aLive, JYP, Heart). ... Wait, so Heart's skill has dropped when he went from an average unknown fringe Korean to a staple top eight at MLGs? And correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't aLive win IPL4 as Fnatic?
Cursed!
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Explains why hes not been in TSL house for the past days i guess
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On November 28 2012 13:24 Pokebunny wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 13:02 PhoenixVoid wrote:
I'm a little concerned for Revival's skill in the future because all players who leave TSL generally drop in skill after reaching a skill ceiling. Or maybe the TSL curse only applies to those who left without an amicable leave (e.g. aLive, JYP, Heart). ... Wait, so Heart's skill has dropped when he went from an average unknown fringe Korean to a staple top eight at MLGs? And correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't aLive win IPL4 as Fnatic?
Shhh! no spoilers. He's obviously inadvertently transported himself 1.5 years into the future, on a really lame time machine.
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Korean players like to talk around their only reason to leave: more money, and since I can't get it in Korea I need to look elsewhere. 
Alas, it can be a wise career decision if you're not a top player.
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Was TSL's ace for a while when Polt left
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I still remember when i played against him in playhem, i was shocked about the skillgap between me and gsl players.
Good luck in the future!
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Woah.
GL to him and hope he finds a team soon, wonder who?
Can TB afford another player on Axiom? ^^
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On November 28 2012 16:40 MoMaN- wrote:
Millenium Revival ! :p
This makes the most sense, Revival has friends on EU teams, Mill has only 1 zerg and has lost a big name in Stephano this year. Liquid is 50% zerg and EG just signed Suppy, & Stephano.
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Aww, well I guess he had to do what was best for him! Hope he'll see improvement, I know that I'll continue to cheer and tune in to his stream!
Would love to see Axiom pick him up though!
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It's just starting to get funny, when more and more koreans are trying to join foreign teams...
GL tho~
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Or like TSL not being in eSF or Kespa thus being able to practice with neither group...
Sad to see, will probably join a foreign/kespa team that can offer him money.
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On November 28 2012 16:13 Daswollvieh wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 13:24 Pokebunny wrote:On November 28 2012 13:02 PhoenixVoid wrote:
I'm a little concerned for Revival's skill in the future because all players who leave TSL generally drop in skill after reaching a skill ceiling. Or maybe the TSL curse only applies to those who left without an amicable leave (e.g. aLive, JYP, Heart). ... Wait, so Heart's skill has dropped when he went from an average unknown fringe Korean to a staple top eight at MLGs? And correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't aLive win IPL4 as Fnatic? Cursed!
Honestly, Heart wasn't unknown. He was one of the up and comers that showed huge potential and great gameplay. Then he moved teams and didn't really accomplish anything and didn't get any better than he had already gotten at TSL.
aLive was already a beast when he was in TSL. One of the best terrans in the world, but not yet with any major results. He moved to Fnatic in that condition, maintained it for a short while, then won IPL4. But honestly, he's the only player who has left TSL and maintained a scary good condition for a good period of time.
JYP went from BEAST in TSL to pretty good korean on EG. Same for Puma.
They are good, don't get me wrong. Some of the best players in NA, but they were scarier when they were in TSL.
Just my opinion.
In this case though, RevivaL isn't BEAST in TSL... He was their ace player for a couple weeks, but aside from that he's just been a pretty good Zerg. He's lost his flare in TSL, and so it's time for him to experiment to hopefully get better somewhere else.
Sad cause he was my favorite TSL Zerg...... but I wish the best for him!
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How come people don't expect stuff like this?
Revival can potentially be given an opportunity to travel the world and win easy (easier) money, rather than share a packed pro-house in some flat in Seoul with another 10 Koreans all crammed up. Makes sense to me.
You think they arent jealous of Puma in that amazing EG house in Arizona or ForGG travelling in France?
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AxRevival? Would make sense to add a zerg to the line-up.
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I really hate seeing Koreans move to foreign teams. They always have the ambition of going to so many more tournaments but in the end they just disappear from the scene...
GL anyways Revival... prove me wrong
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On November 28 2012 17:22 tj341 wrote:This makes the most sense, Revival has friends on EU teams, Mill has only 1 zerg and has lost a big name in Stephano this year. Liquid is 50% zerg and EG just signed Suppy, & Stephano.
And Lewellys said yesterday that he is waiting for "something" before announcing the new Millenium zerg.
But I think he said that this new zerg will be not eu or kor...
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On November 28 2012 18:24 Psychobabas wrote:
How come people don't expect stuff like this?
Revival can potentially be given an opportunity to travel the world and win easy (easier) money, rather than share a packed pro-house in some flat in Seoul with another 10 Koreans all crammed up. Makes sense to me.
You think they arent jealous of Puma in that amazing EG house in Arizona or ForGG travelling in France?
If I were a pro gamer, I would rather be good than to live in a fancy house.
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On November 28 2012 18:53 Shinta) wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 18:24 Psychobabas wrote:
How come people don't expect stuff like this?
Revival can potentially be given an opportunity to travel the world and win easy (easier) money, rather than share a packed pro-house in some flat in Seoul with another 10 Koreans all crammed up. Makes sense to me.
You think they arent jealous of Puma in that amazing EG house in Arizona or ForGG travelling in France? If I were a pro gamer, I would rather be good than to live in a fancy house.
yeah, but good without much opportunity to make money is worse than being a bit worse but making more money haha
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On November 28 2012 18:53 Shinta) wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 18:24 Psychobabas wrote:
How come people don't expect stuff like this?
Revival can potentially be given an opportunity to travel the world and win easy (easier) money, rather than share a packed pro-house in some flat in Seoul with another 10 Koreans all crammed up. Makes sense to me.
You think they arent jealous of Puma in that amazing EG house in Arizona or ForGG travelling in France? If I were a pro gamer, I would rather be good than to live in a fancy house.
dont kid yourself
player A works 6h/day and gets ~3k/month total
player B works 10h/day and gets 2k/month total
and you want to be player B?
yes i pulled numbers out of my ass :p
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On November 28 2012 19:47 furo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 18:53 Shinta) wrote:On November 28 2012 18:24 Psychobabas wrote:
How come people don't expect stuff like this?
Revival can potentially be given an opportunity to travel the world and win easy (easier) money, rather than share a packed pro-house in some flat in Seoul with another 10 Koreans all crammed up. Makes sense to me.
You think they arent jealous of Puma in that amazing EG house in Arizona or ForGG travelling in France? If I were a pro gamer, I would rather be good than to live in a fancy house. dont kid yourself player A works 6h/day and gets ~3k/month total player B works 10h/day and gets 2k/month total and you want to be player B? yes i pulled numbers out of my ass :p
I'll do a slightly more accurate number crunching for you
Player A works 10 hours a day and gets 0 a month total (esf player)
Player B works 8 hours a day and gets 500 a month total ( Korean player on foreign team)
Player A Get his entire expenses covered for him. He doesn't have to worry about anything but playing and being his best. He lives with his friends and gets to have fun in his free time with his friends.
Player B gets 500 a month, works almost the same hours but lives with his family, and doesn't get much time to see his friends, since he has to travel across the city to see them. He also has to listen to his family complain about his career and try to force him into a career that is more "proper" and makes more money.
Player A improves rapidly and always is up to date with the current meta game, and has people whom he can bounce ideas and practice with.
Player B doesn't have many practice partners, and is unable to bounce ideas off of anyone.
Player A has a good chance of mkaing it into Code A, which although not a lot of money, he can make a lot if he improves and does well.
Player B has very little chance of doing well in or ourside Korea, since the competition is so swamped in foreign compeitions that being a Code A level player isn't going to get you very far.
That is a lot more accurate than your tbh. Although Player B will benefit in the short term, in the long term he likely won't make as much money. Someone like revival though won't do well, since he isn't a top tier player, although he is extremely good, he has a wealth of competition.
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On November 28 2012 21:28 masterbreti wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 19:47 furo wrote:On November 28 2012 18:53 Shinta) wrote:On November 28 2012 18:24 Psychobabas wrote:
How come people don't expect stuff like this?
Revival can potentially be given an opportunity to travel the world and win easy (easier) money, rather than share a packed pro-house in some flat in Seoul with another 10 Koreans all crammed up. Makes sense to me.
You think they arent jealous of Puma in that amazing EG house in Arizona or ForGG travelling in France? If I were a pro gamer, I would rather be good than to live in a fancy house. dont kid yourself player A works 6h/day and gets ~3k/month total player B works 10h/day and gets 2k/month total and you want to be player B? yes i pulled numbers out of my ass :p I'll do a slightly more accurate number crunching for you Player A works 10 hours a day and gets 0 a month total (esf player) Player B works 8 hours a day and gets 500 a month total ( Korean player on foreign team) Player A Get his entire expenses covered for him. He doesn't have to worry about anything but playing and being his best. He lives with his friends and gets to have fun in his free time with his friends. Player B gets 500 a month, works almost the same hours but lives with his family, and doesn't get much time to see his friends, since he has to travel across the city to see them. He also has to listen to his family complain about his career and try to force him into a career that is more "proper" and makes more money. Player A improves rapidly and always is up to date with the current meta game, and has people whom he can bounce ideas and practice with. Player B doesn't have many practice partners, and is unable to bounce ideas off of anyone. Player A has a good chance of mkaing it into Code A, which although not a lot of money, he can make a lot if he improves and does well. Player B has very little chance of doing well in or ourside Korea, since the competition is so swamped in foreign compeitions that being a Code A level player isn't going to get you very far. That is a lot more accurate than your tbh. Although Player B will benefit in the short term, in the long term he likely won't make as much money. Someone like revival though won't do well, since he isn't a top tier player, although he is extremely good, he has a wealth of competition.
I would agree with you if it wasn't for the fact that in SC2 the difference in skill can be extremely small in addition to how easy it is for a less-skilled player to take games off a higher-skilled. Your explanation worked in Brood War...
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Looking for a foreign team i supose.
Your not going to get the practice regime from there m8. best of luck.
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On November 28 2012 22:50 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Team Acer
Not enough gosu Zergs on that team as it it? XD If he is going for a foreign team my guess is Millennium.
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AxRevival, Axium could use a zerg.
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WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
T________________T
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This was a suprise but best of luck to both Revival and TSL hope u both will do well.
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I think it's good that Revival is looking for a new start hopefully that'll spark some more motivation in him
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On November 28 2012 07:45 ES.Genie wrote:
Wow that was unexpected. Whenever I thought of TSL the name Revival came to my mind. He was never their ace or star-player, but was there since forever and it will be extremely weird to see him with a new team. But gl, I guess.
YEAH!!! I'm so sad with the news..
It's break my heart reading this........
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This seems to be happening to a lot of mid-tier Korean pros. They aren't winning any major tourneys or saving up money so they feel like they are treading water with eSF teams. The problem is, most of these players aren't accomplished enough or well known enough to land a gig with a foreign team. Look at Genius, he is probably the best unsigned Korean pro at the moment and he has been without a team for months. If Genius can't land one, I'm not sure this was the best move by Revival.
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I'm not sure how easy it will be for Revival to find a new team. Afaik Yugioh is still free and if he hasn't been able to find a team yet I don't know how Revival will do.
On November 28 2012 23:55 Krogan wrote:
AxRevival, Axium could use a zerg.
They already signed Miya. I'm not saying they won't sign Revival but they do have a zerg, and at the moment Axiom has one player of each race so I don't think they need to go after a particular race.
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On November 28 2012 09:22 VirgilSC2 wrote:NO!! The last Old School TSL member is gone I <3 you Revival!
Yeah!! So Sad!!!
Well, GL to him.. I wish he can find a new team soon..
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On November 28 2012 21:44 Psychobabas wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 21:28 masterbreti wrote:On November 28 2012 19:47 furo wrote:On November 28 2012 18:53 Shinta) wrote:On November 28 2012 18:24 Psychobabas wrote:
How come people don't expect stuff like this?
Revival can potentially be given an opportunity to travel the world and win easy (easier) money, rather than share a packed pro-house in some flat in Seoul with another 10 Koreans all crammed up. Makes sense to me.
You think they arent jealous of Puma in that amazing EG house in Arizona or ForGG travelling in France? If I were a pro gamer, I would rather be good than to live in a fancy house. dont kid yourself player A works 6h/day and gets ~3k/month total player B works 10h/day and gets 2k/month total and you want to be player B? yes i pulled numbers out of my ass :p I'll do a slightly more accurate number crunching for you Player A works 10 hours a day and gets 0 a month total (esf player) Player B works 8 hours a day and gets 500 a month total ( Korean player on foreign team) Player A Get his entire expenses covered for him. He doesn't have to worry about anything but playing and being his best. He lives with his friends and gets to have fun in his free time with his friends. Player B gets 500 a month, works almost the same hours but lives with his family, and doesn't get much time to see his friends, since he has to travel across the city to see them. He also has to listen to his family complain about his career and try to force him into a career that is more "proper" and makes more money. Player A improves rapidly and always is up to date with the current meta game, and has people whom he can bounce ideas and practice with. Player B doesn't have many practice partners, and is unable to bounce ideas off of anyone. Player A has a good chance of mkaing it into Code A, which although not a lot of money, he can make a lot if he improves and does well. Player B has very little chance of doing well in or ourside Korea, since the competition is so swamped in foreign compeitions that being a Code A level player isn't going to get you very far. That is a lot more accurate than your tbh. Although Player B will benefit in the short term, in the long term he likely won't make as much money. Someone like revival though won't do well, since he isn't a top tier player, although he is extremely good, he has a wealth of competition. I would agree with you if it wasn't for the fact that in SC2 the difference in skill can be extremely small in addition to how easy it is for a less-skilled player to take games off a higher-skilled. Your explanation worked in Brood War...
Meh, when you look at players like taeja or hero who have so much raw skill, the lack of practice partners really shows when they play in the gsl
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Team Acer moving in to the korean scene.
Acer Zerg team...
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Liquid.Revival!, I think this could be an awesome addition to the Liquid team, I mean, one more zerg never hurts! This is even though Liquid already has three zergs, I still think he could be a valuable choice. Especially if Liquid plans on getting into GSTL...
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On November 29 2012 01:11 Dr.Anders wrote:
Liquid.Revival!, I think this could be an awesome addition to the Liquid team, I mean, one more zerg never hurts! This is even though Liquid already has three zergs, I still think he could be a valuable choice. Especially if Liquid plans on getting into GSTL...
yea they definitely need another good zerg
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On November 29 2012 00:59 Steel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 21:44 Psychobabas wrote:On November 28 2012 21:28 masterbreti wrote:On November 28 2012 19:47 furo wrote:On November 28 2012 18:53 Shinta) wrote:On November 28 2012 18:24 Psychobabas wrote:
How come people don't expect stuff like this?
Revival can potentially be given an opportunity to travel the world and win easy (easier) money, rather than share a packed pro-house in some flat in Seoul with another 10 Koreans all crammed up. Makes sense to me.
You think they arent jealous of Puma in that amazing EG house in Arizona or ForGG travelling in France? If I were a pro gamer, I would rather be good than to live in a fancy house. dont kid yourself player A works 6h/day and gets ~3k/month total player B works 10h/day and gets 2k/month total and you want to be player B? yes i pulled numbers out of my ass :p I'll do a slightly more accurate number crunching for you Player A works 10 hours a day and gets 0 a month total (esf player) Player B works 8 hours a day and gets 500 a month total ( Korean player on foreign team) Player A Get his entire expenses covered for him. He doesn't have to worry about anything but playing and being his best. He lives with his friends and gets to have fun in his free time with his friends. Player B gets 500 a month, works almost the same hours but lives with his family, and doesn't get much time to see his friends, since he has to travel across the city to see them. He also has to listen to his family complain about his career and try to force him into a career that is more "proper" and makes more money. Player A improves rapidly and always is up to date with the current meta game, and has people whom he can bounce ideas and practice with. Player B doesn't have many practice partners, and is unable to bounce ideas off of anyone. Player A has a good chance of mkaing it into Code A, which although not a lot of money, he can make a lot if he improves and does well. Player B has very little chance of doing well in or ourside Korea, since the competition is so swamped in foreign compeitions that being a Code A level player isn't going to get you very far. That is a lot more accurate than your tbh. Although Player B will benefit in the short term, in the long term he likely won't make as much money. Someone like revival though won't do well, since he isn't a top tier player, although he is extremely good, he has a wealth of competition. I would agree with you if it wasn't for the fact that in SC2 the difference in skill can be extremely small in addition to how easy it is for a less-skilled player to take games off a higher-skilled. Your explanation worked in Brood War... Meh, when you look at players like taeja or hero who have so much raw skill, the lack of practice partners really shows when they play in the gsl
didn't stop them from getting multiple top4/top8 this year, which is quite a lot better than most progamers on a team haha
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On November 28 2012 16:26 MooMooMugi wrote:
Was TSL's ace for a while when Polt left
When did Polt leave TSL? I don't remember him doing it o.O
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On November 29 2012 02:21 Blueheart wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 16:26 MooMooMugi wrote:
Was TSL's ace for a while when Polt left When did Polt leave TSL? I don't remember him doing it o.O
When he left to foreign tournaments, Revival was send for ace in teamleagues is what he meant I think.
With Inori switching to LoL and Revival leaving, it's time for Coach Lee to look for talent I feel.
Revival is a great great player, but it's hard for him to be more than " TSL Zerg +1" even if his ZvZ sniping is quite famous.
I feel he can get quite more popularity in a foreign team.
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On November 29 2012 01:29 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2012 00:59 Steel wrote:On November 28 2012 21:44 Psychobabas wrote:On November 28 2012 21:28 masterbreti wrote:On November 28 2012 19:47 furo wrote:On November 28 2012 18:53 Shinta) wrote:On November 28 2012 18:24 Psychobabas wrote:
How come people don't expect stuff like this?
Revival can potentially be given an opportunity to travel the world and win easy (easier) money, rather than share a packed pro-house in some flat in Seoul with another 10 Koreans all crammed up. Makes sense to me.
You think they arent jealous of Puma in that amazing EG house in Arizona or ForGG travelling in France? If I were a pro gamer, I would rather be good than to live in a fancy house. dont kid yourself player A works 6h/day and gets ~3k/month total player B works 10h/day and gets 2k/month total and you want to be player B? yes i pulled numbers out of my ass :p I'll do a slightly more accurate number crunching for you Player A works 10 hours a day and gets 0 a month total (esf player) Player B works 8 hours a day and gets 500 a month total ( Korean player on foreign team) Player A Get his entire expenses covered for him. He doesn't have to worry about anything but playing and being his best. He lives with his friends and gets to have fun in his free time with his friends. Player B gets 500 a month, works almost the same hours but lives with his family, and doesn't get much time to see his friends, since he has to travel across the city to see them. He also has to listen to his family complain about his career and try to force him into a career that is more "proper" and makes more money. Player A improves rapidly and always is up to date with the current meta game, and has people whom he can bounce ideas and practice with. Player B doesn't have many practice partners, and is unable to bounce ideas off of anyone. Player A has a good chance of mkaing it into Code A, which although not a lot of money, he can make a lot if he improves and does well. Player B has very little chance of doing well in or ourside Korea, since the competition is so swamped in foreign compeitions that being a Code A level player isn't going to get you very far. That is a lot more accurate than your tbh. Although Player B will benefit in the short term, in the long term he likely won't make as much money. Someone like revival though won't do well, since he isn't a top tier player, although he is extremely good, he has a wealth of competition. I would agree with you if it wasn't for the fact that in SC2 the difference in skill can be extremely small in addition to how easy it is for a less-skilled player to take games off a higher-skilled. Your explanation worked in Brood War... Meh, when you look at players like taeja or hero who have so much raw skill, the lack of practice partners really shows when they play in the gsl didn't stop them from getting multiple top4/top8 this year, which is quite a lot better than most progamers on a team haha
Consider the fact that HerO Was in the Ogs house until it closed down, which was back in Feburary, iirc HerO did have some stuggles for a time where he wasn't doing so hot in some matchups. Recently he has changed that and gotten back into shape.
Taeja on the otherhand never lived in a teamhouse and had the personal motivation to acheive what he could.
My prime examples in terms of player leaving teamhouses only to end up falling in skill and not being able to acheive a lot would be Supernova, JYP, Puma, Zenio, and MMA
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On November 29 2012 03:39 Noocta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2012 02:21 Blueheart wrote:On November 28 2012 16:26 MooMooMugi wrote:
Was TSL's ace for a while when Polt left When did Polt leave TSL? I don't remember him doing it o.O When he left to foreign tournaments, Revival was send for ace in teamleagues is what he meant I think. With Inori switching to LoL and Revival leaving, it's time for Coach Lee to look for talent I feel. Revival is a great great player, but it's hard for him to be more than " TSL Zerg +1" even if his ZvZ sniping is quite famous. I feel he can get quite more popularity in a foreign team.
I have to agree with all of that, I believe that he'll find more success in one of the foreigner teams, I hope that he'll become better and that we'll one day see him do some great things, been following him for a while now, can't wait to see him get into a new team
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awww I liked him on TSL, now they are down a good zerg. Hope he ends up somewhere good.
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Huh, sounds a bit weird, especially his reasoning that he wants to go to foreign events. He was quite often at foreign events, more so than some other team's aces I believe. And TSL is a team pretty famous for building talent, so there goes that argument as well. But I can't blame him, after all he was his team's 4th best Zerg and his prime reason probably is money, which is valid even though Korean pros are usually too shy to say so.
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good luck out there. No more original TSL members?
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"being too comfortable" "wanting a fresh start" "wanting to challenge myself" are all code for not making enough money and wanting to join a foreign team. It's a nice way of saying it, and I'm sure there's always an element of truth to what they're saying, but it boils down to the same thing. The player always wants to/ends up joining a foreign team.
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On November 29 2012 21:45 Subversive wrote:
"being too comfortable" "wanting a fresh start" "wanting to challenge myself" are all code for not making enough money and wanting to join a foreign team. It's a nice way of saying it, and I'm sure there's always an element of truth to what they're saying, but it boils down to the same thing. The player always wants to/ends up joining a foreign team.
So many players say that stuff its kinda easy to figure out.
What Im really wondering is how some korean teams get hold of players like mkp, drg and jjakji.
A big mystery
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This is very unexpected. I wonder where is he going to go to now...
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Good luck to Revival! Sad to see him leave TSL though
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All TSL Zergs look the same to me >.>;
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On November 30 2012 20:00 plogamer wrote:Good luck to Symbol! Sad to see him leave TSL though
symbol isn't leaving o.O
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I hope that hes able to do what he wants. Good luck revival!
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On November 29 2012 21:45 Subversive wrote:
"being too comfortable" "wanting a fresh start" "wanting to challenge myself" are all code for not making enough money and wanting to join a foreign team. It's a nice way of saying it, and I'm sure there's always an element of truth to what they're saying, but it boils down to the same thing. The player always wants to/ends up joining a foreign team.
lol so true
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Often it seems as if Korean players break from team houses to play on their own, the next step is being picked up by a foreign team. Think this will happen again.
"being too comfortable" "wanting a fresh start" "wanting to challenge myself" are all code for not making enough money and wanting to join a foreign team. It's a nice way of saying it, and I'm sure there's always an element of truth to what they're saying, but it boils down to the same thing. The player always wants to/ends up joining a foreign team. I agree with this. Well put.
So many players say that stuff its kinda easy to figure out.
What Im really wondering is how some korean teams get hold of players like mkp, drg and jjakji.
A big mystery Think it is because they are the star players on their teams.
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Seems weird that a zerg player would leave a team with arguably the best zerg lineup.
Every TSL transfer confuses me, they have gained and lost some truly skilled players.
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