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Take a moment to familiarise yourself with BGH, if you haven't already:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Map_(BGH)
Big Game Hunters was THE most popular Starcraft map. Everyone has played it, most have played it multiple times, and a few play it at a very competitive level. Of course it wasn't a "serious" map by any rate, but I think it was a blast to play - and apparently many people thought so too.
As much as BGH was a phenomenon, it has also become a remarkable fact that the map is dead in SC2. I believe that if we can pinpoint why people don't play BGH in sc2, we can essentially also manage to solve why people don't like to play sc2.
Why do you think people don't play BGH? Is it because:
- Custom games don't allow the ally/unally feature unless it is user-created through triggers?
- The custom game UI is terrible for user created maps?
- An infinite resources battle royale wouldn't be fun in sc2 (explain why)?
- Some people take BGH's very seriously
- Lack of initiative; we need Blizzard to implement BGH as an official unranked game mode
- Other reasons...?
Feel free to share.
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On November 24 2012 22:54 shadymmj wrote:
Why do you think people don't play BGH? Is it because:
- An infinite resources battle royale wouldn't be fun in sc2 (explain why)?
This. I think you'd see huge infestor, blord, spine/spore armies devour the map. Also all those chokes force late game compositions because no army can go through (P: colossus/storm, T: tanks, Z: fungal/spines).
edit: so I think it would just develop into camping, probably favoring zerg.
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I played BGH daily for many years. Miss those ***2v2 BGH TOP ONLY*** games.
The amount of strategies and play on the map was amazing. First time I played it I thought this was a NR match. Got destroyed before 10 min mark.
Then you had to adapt to those 2 tanks drop play which caused me a lot of grief first. There were sites for BGH players to meet/share.
And contrary to people that didn't played BGH there were not many games longer on it so you can get to T3. Much shorter timing attacks were the norm.
I think that in SC2 the entire custom UI/popularity system is not appropriate. What will make BGH type really thrive is if Blizzard would implement it like you mentioned in an game mode. But ranked, so you can play with people of your level.
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The thing is, BGH allowed players to have huge armies even if their macro sucked, while sc2 allows this for basically everyone so there's no need to play a money map to have huge armies. Secondly, early game micro is crap when comparing sc2 to sc, as zergs would just own everything with 5 hatch/queen ling armies, zealots are much more suckier, and marines without medivacs and stim also suck, and they don't have firebats. Early game mass tier1 fights were awesome in sc1 bgh, and you could spend like half an hour or even more just microing the shit out of your t1 units. I simply think it would not be as fun as sc1, hell I even tried some BGH variant in sc2 and guess what, they sucked. XD
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We still play Sc2:BW on that map though.
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inb4 surfer4life comes to the thread. oh, also, there are multiple versions of bgh on sc2 right now, and they are pretty fun. you know playing videogames should be fun.
edit: yeah 2v2 bgh was kickass tvb.
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BGH was fun. I'd go medic marine always, except when I'd rush for cattlebruisers.
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Well I didn't even know BGH was in SC2. So maybe the shitty custom game interface is to blame?
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Because the popularity system suck and don't allow new map to be played
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Isn't that "fastest map possible" custom game similar to BGH in concept? BGH was fun back in the day when we had ancient computers, no internet, just LAN and a lot of time on our hands. The only reason I would play BGH is because of nostalgia.
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I think it's most of those things but before I read them the first thing that came to mind was the diversity of the compositions you could have. I played 3v3 zc myself but it's just a more wide open money map... except mandatory no rush. For Terran, you could do tanks, wraiths, goliaths, bcs, ghosts (and nukes), science vessels. No bio though and valkyries were bugged out. Zerg? Anything. Even queens had their uses. Toss? Everything except scouts hehe. You'd have a pack of corsairs flying around knocking out detection, etc. So I think BGH would be pretty similar to this but with a lot more diversity in strategy than zc which was a.) Break the middle with seige units, b.) Mass air on one side, c.) Mass recall/nydus worm,
Now in sc2 I don't think you could do this. Zerg would inevitably end with bw infestor corruptor and you'd never see most of the other stuff but the main death balls of the respective races. So that's why I wouldn't play a money map in sc2
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I don't get it, it's a map not a mod, so
we need Blizzard to implement BGH as an official unranked game mode
makes no sense at all.
The reason why some maps are not played is imho BN2.0, if people don't see the map featured they don't play it, and if you want to play ityou can find it, but no one will join...
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is hard to find . i played a lot of games on bgh with friends however i dont see it at all on custom games sc2 .
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It probably has to do with the way we collect minerals and gas in SC2.
Resource gatherings is a lot faster in SC2 than it ever was in legit BW maps. So it was very fun to casually play maps like BGH or fastest to speed up the macro and get to the late game faster.
In a sense every map in SC2 is kinda like BGH IMO, with mules, larva inject and chrono boost....two gasses and all.
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On November 24 2012 22:54 shadymmj wrote:Take a moment to familiarise yourself with BGH, if you haven't already: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Map_(BGH)Big Game Hunters was THE most popular Starcraft map. Everyone has played it, most have played it multiple times, and a few play it at a very competitive level. Of course it wasn't a "serious" map by any rate, but I think it was a blast to play - and apparently many people thought so too. As much as BGH was a phenomenon, it has also become a remarkable fact that the map is dead in SC2. I believe that if we can pinpoint why people don't play BGH in sc2, we can essentially also manage to solve why people don't like to play sc2. Why do you think people don't play BGH? Is it because: - Custom games don't allow the ally/unally feature unless it is user-created through triggers? - The custom game UI is terrible for user created maps? - An infinite resources battle royale wouldn't be fun in sc2 (explain why)? - Some people take BGH's very seriously - Lack of initiative; we need Blizzard to implement BGH as an official unranked game mode - Other reasons...? Feel free to share.
Because times are a-changing.
To be more precise: We now have better maps to play on.
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On November 24 2012 23:41 [F_]aths wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 22:54 shadymmj wrote:Take a moment to familiarise yourself with BGH, if you haven't already: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Map_(BGH)Big Game Hunters was THE most popular Starcraft map. Everyone has played it, most have played it multiple times, and a few play it at a very competitive level. Of course it wasn't a "serious" map by any rate, but I think it was a blast to play - and apparently many people thought so too. As much as BGH was a phenomenon, it has also become a remarkable fact that the map is dead in SC2. I believe that if we can pinpoint why people don't play BGH in sc2, we can essentially also manage to solve why people don't like to play sc2. Why do you think people don't play BGH? Is it because: - Custom games don't allow the ally/unally feature unless it is user-created through triggers? - The custom game UI is terrible for user created maps? - An infinite resources battle royale wouldn't be fun in sc2 (explain why)? - Some people take BGH's very seriously - Lack of initiative; we need Blizzard to implement BGH as an official unranked game mode - Other reasons...? Feel free to share. Because times are a-changing. To be more precise: We now have better maps to play on.
Nice Freudian slip. There certainly is quite a bit more a-moving going on! ;P
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On November 24 2012 23:52 Seldentar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 23:41 [F_]aths wrote:On November 24 2012 22:54 shadymmj wrote:Take a moment to familiarise yourself with BGH, if you haven't already: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Map_(BGH)Big Game Hunters was THE most popular Starcraft map. Everyone has played it, most have played it multiple times, and a few play it at a very competitive level. Of course it wasn't a "serious" map by any rate, but I think it was a blast to play - and apparently many people thought so too. As much as BGH was a phenomenon, it has also become a remarkable fact that the map is dead in SC2. I believe that if we can pinpoint why people don't play BGH in sc2, we can essentially also manage to solve why people don't like to play sc2. Why do you think people don't play BGH? Is it because: - Custom games don't allow the ally/unally feature unless it is user-created through triggers? - The custom game UI is terrible for user created maps? - An infinite resources battle royale wouldn't be fun in sc2 (explain why)? - Some people take BGH's very seriously - Lack of initiative; we need Blizzard to implement BGH as an official unranked game mode - Other reasons...? Feel free to share. Because times are a-changing. To be more precise: We now have better maps to play on. Nice Freudian slip. There certainly is quite a bit more a-moving going on! ;P
A bit more than a bit! and a poor map pool as well (due to design/balance constraints)
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On November 24 2012 22:54 shadymmj wrote:Take a moment to familiarise yourself with BGH, if you haven't already: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Map_(BGH)Big Game Hunters was THE most popular Starcraft map. Everyone has played it, most have played it multiple times, and a few play it at a very competitive level. Of course it wasn't a "serious" map by any rate, but I think it was a blast to play - and apparently many people thought so too. As much as BGH was a phenomenon, it has also become a remarkable fact that the map is dead in SC2. I believe that if we can pinpoint why people don't play BGH in sc2, we can essentially also manage to solve why people don't like to play sc2. Why do you think people don't play BGH? Is it because: - Custom games don't allow the ally/unally feature unless it is user-created through triggers? - The custom game UI is terrible for user created maps? - An infinite resources battle royale wouldn't be fun in sc2 (explain why)? - Some people take BGH's very seriously - Lack of initiative; we need Blizzard to implement BGH as an official unranked game mode - Other reasons...? Feel free to share.
Because teams are locked! Right now u can only play 4v4 or free for all. The whole point was 2v2v2v2 in my opinion.
EDIT: AND THE BACKSTABBING
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The custom map system is just shit, that's pretty much why so few maps are being played.
I don't think there are other explanations needed. Many people don't know the map and don't search for it. It's not easy to find when you don't look for it.
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