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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On November 22 2012 03:15 Arco wrote: No, because it dies to a number of timing attacks that hit earlier than the Sentry/Immortal all in. It's gambling that they're going to do one specific build against you. Zealot, zealot, zealot, zealot, zealot... "Whoopsie, did someone try to skip roaches?"  | ||
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SKYFISH_
Bulgaria990 Posts
On November 22 2012 03:14 Assirra wrote: once again with the broodlords, i must have missed the patch where zerg starts with free 10 broodlords. so how exactly does a terran snipe 5 overseers? and how does this help terran at all? ghosts will DPS down the broodlords after half of his army died to fungles when trying to snipe the overseers? lol | ||
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Snowbear
Korea (South)1925 Posts
On November 22 2012 03:14 Assirra wrote: once again with the broodlords, i must have missed the patch where zerg starts with free 10 broodlords. The problem is that its insanely hard to deal with a maxed broodlord infestor army. | ||
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Scarlett`
Korea (South)2394 Posts
On November 22 2012 02:53 TheDwf wrote: What part of “it takes 9 Snipes to kill one Overseer” didn't you understand? The part where it doesn't take 9 snipes to kill one Overseer because they are psionic ? | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On November 22 2012 03:19 Scarlett` wrote: The part where it doesn't take 9 snipes to kill one Overseer because they are psionic ? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Overseer | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On November 22 2012 03:19 Scarlett` wrote: The part where it doesn't take 9 snipes to kill one Overseer because they are psionic ? No, they are not! | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10142 Posts
On November 22 2012 03:19 Scarlett` wrote: The part where it doesn't take 9 snipes to kill one Overseer because they are psionic ? They are not. | ||
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Crawdad
614 Posts
I hope that the Ghost gets looked at in the near future. | ||
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sCCrooked
Korea (South)1306 Posts
On November 22 2012 03:09 ChApFoU wrote: If you're still on T2 as zerg while protoss has 2+ collossi with range you messed up somewhere. To deal with late midgame sentry-heavy timings with collo you can still go ultra/bane Symbol style. Wrong. If you follow high level play at all, its extremely common on the Korean server for high level Protosses to use an immortal/sentry expand for a quick third that transitions into a 3 collossi/warp prism/blink-stalker/sentry/immortal/zealot pre-hive deathpush with range on the collossi. It hits at 13:00 which is impossible using any build off a 3 base opening to achieve completed BL/Festor ball (The only T3) by any pro currently. The only person who's figured out a decent way to hold this and maintain control is HyuN and he's known as an absolute GOD of ZvP. Even HE has great difficulty vs this style. I don't think you understand how the game works well enough to be speaking on such matters if you aren't even aware of all the pushes we can face in the current meta. | ||
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GoodSirTets
Canada200 Posts
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willoc
Canada1530 Posts
On November 22 2012 03:19 Scarlett` wrote: The part where it doesn't take 9 snipes to kill one Overseer because they are psionic ? What a wonderful community! | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On November 22 2012 03:25 sCCrooked wrote: Wrong. If you follow high level play at all, its extremely common on the Korean server for high level Protosses to use an immortal/sentry expand for a quick third that transitions into a 3 collossi/warp prism/blink-stalker/sentry/immortal/zealot pre-hive deathpush with range on the collossi. It hits at 13:00 which is impossible using any build off a 3 base opening to achieve completed BL/Festor ball (The only T3) by any pro currently. The only person who's figured out a decent way to hold this and maintain control is HyuN and he's known as an absolute GOD of ZvP. Even HE has great difficulty vs this style. I don't think you understand how the game works well enough to be speaking on such matters if you aren't even aware of all the pushes we can face in the current meta. The best 3base all-inner is Creator. He invented the style. Hyun crushed him. I don't see where the evidence for a problem is. Just because Hyun is good doesn't mean we should discount his results. I wouldn't say that he's any better relative to Zerg players than Creator is relative to Protoss (second in WCS, owned TSL, won WCS Korea, only Protoss in Ro8) so if anything I'd say Hyun is evidence that 3base all-ins are defeatable at the highest level even when executed by the best players. | ||
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Coprolyth
Belgium18 Posts
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On November 22 2012 03:27 Shiori wrote: The best 3base all-inner is Creator. He invented the style. Hyun crushed him. I don't see where the evidence for a problem is. Just because Hyun is good doesn't mean we should discount his results. I wouldn't say that he's any better relative to Zerg players than Creator is relative to Protoss (second in WCS, owned TSL, won WCS Korea, only Protoss in Ro8) so if anything I'd say Hyun is evidence that 3base all-ins are defeatable at the highest level even when executed by the best players. And if more evidence was needed, Vortix was able to fend off two 3-bases all-ins from Creator in their bo5 at the BWC, so... | ||
Olli
Austria24422 Posts
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On November 22 2012 03:29 TheDwf wrote: And if more evidence was needed, Vortix was able to fend off two 3-bases all-ins from Creator in their bo5 at the BWC, so... Yeah. We're literally talking about those the best 3base all-in player. | ||
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Lukeeze[zR]
Switzerland6838 Posts
On November 22 2012 03:19 Scarlett` wrote: The part where it doesn't take 9 snipes to kill one Overseer because they are psionic ? Hilarious, even competitive zergs are confused by the psionic tag. Blizz needs to update the psionic units list. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
Units that can be uncloaked (and gernerally hit) with fungal: -) burrowed units exceptions: queen and Infestor -) banshee -) all units under a motherships cloak exceptions: sentry, archon, HT, Warp Prism, (DT) Units that cannot be uncloaked (and gernerally hit) with fungal: -) burrowed queen and Infestor -) cloaked ghost -) DT -) when cloaked by a mothership: sentry, archon, HT, Warp Prism, (DT) Especially the mothership part seems weird. You fungal into the cloaked units, some reveal, some don't. | ||
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hli
Canada32 Posts
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On November 22 2012 03:32 Big J wrote: btw, it feels very weird that fungal can now uncloak some units, but others not: Units that can be uncloaked (and gernerally hit) with fungal: -) burrowed units exceptions: queen and Infestor -) banshee -) all units under a motherships cloak exceptions: sentry, archon, HT, Warp Prism, (DT) Units that cannot be uncloaked (and gernerally hit) with fungal: -) burrowed queen and Infestor -) cloaked ghost -) DT -) when cloaked by a mothership: sentry, archon, HT, Warp Prism, (DT) Especially the mothership part seems weird. You fungal into the cloaked units, some reveal, some don't. It feels weird that Fungal doesn't work on Ultras, but I don't see anyone having a sudden brain aneurysm when they see Ultralisks. People will get used to it. Zergs should have several Overseers anyway. | ||
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