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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
On November 22 2012 03:45 DontNerfInfestors wrote: -Warp prisim and sentry is not psionic. -Fungal still uncloaks psionic units -Neural parasite range increased to 8 - Raven is now psionic - Ghost snipe changed to 45 (+5 vs psionic,-15 vs massive) I like your username | ||
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StatixEx
United Kingdom779 Posts
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poorcloud
Singapore2748 Posts
However, i will make it such that fungal dosen't hold on psionic units but still damage them. | ||
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Jinsho
United Kingdom3101 Posts
On November 22 2012 03:48 poorcloud wrote: This changes seem really good! Infestors will become more of a support unit rather then being the mass-and-win unit. However, i will make it such that fungal dosen't hold on psionic units but still damage them. Can't imagine zerg controlling phoenixes without fungal PHOENIX IS NOT A PSIONIC UNIT. Read the OP please. also keep in mind that sentry and warp prism are not psionic either, at least on the map. | ||
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Arco
United States2090 Posts
On November 22 2012 03:44 s3rp wrote: I'm not talking about so called story wise , i'm talking about balancing wise. If you're talking about story you might wanna explain why a shot with a sniper rifle doesn't even kill the smallest unit in the game. If you're making units immune to Fungal it probably shouldn't be determined by Psionic or not without some changes that's all i'm saying. The game is partially balanced based on the story. Look at snipe, it hits every Zerg unit and only a few Protoss ones. No one crys imbalance about that. It's how these games have always worked. Different but equal. WarCraft III had Holy Light which was a Heal spell if casted on non-Undead units but became a damage spell against Undead units. Same things in regards to Death Coil, it only did damage to non-Undead units and healed friendly Undead units. Also, to those saying all casters must be Psionic: look at Dark Templars, Archons, and Warp Prisms. None of these are considered casters, yet are all tagged Psionic. | ||
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Crawdad
614 Posts
On November 22 2012 03:44 s3rp wrote: I'm not talking about so called story wise , i'm talking about balancing wise. If you're talking about story you might wanna explain why a shot with a sniper rifle doesn't even kill the smallest unit in the game. If you're making units immune to Fungal it probably shouldn't be determined by Psionic or not without some changes that's all i'm saying. I fully admit that Sniper Round is bullshit and deserves to be changed or replaced. EDIT: I also agree that some units may have to lose the psionic tag, namely the Sentry. | ||
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wUndertUnge
United States1125 Posts
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
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felisconcolori
United States6168 Posts
On November 22 2012 03:50 Arco wrote: The game is partially balanced based on the story. Look at snipe, it hits every Zerg unit and only a few Protoss ones. No one crys imbalance about that. It's how these games have always worked. Different but equal. Also, to those saying all casters must be Psionic: look at Dark Templars, Archons, and Warp Prisms. None of these are considered casters, yet are all tagged Psionic. From purely a lore/story/stylistic angle, Dark Templars are permanently cloaked - probably by psionic power and training. Archons are the merging of two bodies into one hyper-strong entity that is primarily psionic in nature, as the two minds join their powers to produce great psychic power to enhance their shields and increase damage. Warp prisms have been already addressed - pylons produce a psionic power field, and a warp prism is basically a mobile pylon with a few first class seats. | ||
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zkeller51
United States25 Posts
there has to be a better fix like the seeker missile though i see that being fun in TvT | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On November 22 2012 03:49 Jinsho wrote: PHOENIX IS NOT A PSIONIC UNIT. Read the OP please. also keep in mind that sentry and warp prism are not psionic either, at least on the map. Are you talking about the test map? Because on EU they are psionic. First game I played (as Protoss), first fungal was some guy trying to catch my prism until I told him that those are psionic... | ||
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tMomiji
United States1115 Posts
That's the Hallelujah Chorus playing in my head. I always harbored dislike for Infestors but was reluctant to call them "imbalanced" just because of my personal experience. However with recent events as they have been (mass Infestors = win) I've had to jump on the bandwagon for calling for a nerf. Mass ANY unit shouldn't be an automatic win; I'm sorry guys...the whole situation was just getting out of hand - you have to admit this. XD Besides, fungal can still target the Colossus, so I don't see the reason to cry. ^^; Colossi ARE imbalanced. ...I mean seriously have you really looked at how skinny their spindly little legs are? How do they stay upright? They look like they're ready to just FALL OVER any moment. Imbalanced I say! | ||
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felisconcolori
United States6168 Posts
On November 22 2012 03:52 zhurai wrote: I wonder if blizzard actually DOES look at this topic for input [since they said they do read teamliquid] (they should, but I don't think they'd read all 45+ pages) r_r There's a job that some intern probably has... "Okay, Zippy, your job is going to be to comb the TL forums, then produce an executive summary on major complaints/comments regarding Blizzard and game balance. Keep it under a page, Rock has to finish his design interaction and pivot the landscape team towards better collapsible rock design." Of course, there are probably Blizzard employees among us... lurking, rarely poking their heads out and never ever acknowledging they are a Blizzard programmer/designer/etc. I mean, some of them must enjoy watching the game as much as we do. I HOPE, anyways. Blizzard isn't quite on the CCP level of "our employees love to play our game" but I can always dream, right? RIGHT? | ||
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m0ck
4194 Posts
On November 22 2012 03:46 Shiori wrote: It's not damage in any real sense. Sure, we can snipe certain tech structures, maybe even a hatch or two, but the harassment is soon mopped up and the actual army untouched. Zerg never needs to weaken their main force to deal with WP harass. With this change, Zerg will actually have to pull back units/static defense to deal with WP harassment, which means that the main Protoss army, which has already given up supply for harassment, goes up against a Zerg army which is giving up supply to defend harassment. It also gives the Protoss time to build up an air-centric composition, which is currently impossible given the ability of Zergs to brush off harassment without detracting from their main force. I don't really see the difference in how zergs will have to handle the ground-force assault (except if the drop-harass includes sentries, but they are gas and micro-intensive - biggest advantage of zealot-drop is that they need no attention, but no zerg ground-army w/o infestors is cost effective against them unless being microed or overwhelming in number). The main difference is that there is zero risk for the WP, which will be great for scouting and can fly anywhere at any time and demand constant attention from the zerg. I mean, how would you like to face an unstoppable flying nydus-worm? ^^ | ||
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DavoS
United States4605 Posts
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Garoodah
United States56 Posts
Fungal doesnt seem like it works any differently, except now protoss can feedback more infestors. I like this change in ZvT though, ghosts become a much more viable option. I still think infested terrans are the big issue with infestors, not so much fungal. | ||
Olli
Austria24422 Posts
Preferrably around diamond level so I don't lose too horribly, lol. I'm on EU server, DarkLordOlli.478 | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On November 22 2012 04:02 Garoodah wrote: Early game ravens seem too good against lings. Missiles can't even connect with Speedlings as long as they go away... | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On November 22 2012 04:01 m0ck wrote: I don't really see the difference in how zergs will have to handle the ground-force assault (except if the drop-harass includes sentries, but they are gas and micro-intensive - biggest advantage of zealot-drop is that they need no attention, but no zerg ground-army w/o infestors is cost effective against them unless being microed or overwhelming in number). The main difference is that there is zero risk for the WP, which will be great for scouting and can fly anywhere at any time and demand constant attention from the zerg. I mean, how would you like to face an unstoppable flying nydus-worm? ^^ I already face something way worse: a late-game composition which is stronger than my lategame composition and hits earlier. At least with easier harassment, players with good multitasking will be rewarded with delaying the Zerg's push, since a couple of Infestors won't be enough to shut down all harassment. | ||
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s3rp
Germany3192 Posts
On November 22 2012 03:50 Arco wrote: The game is partially balanced based on the story. Look at snipe, it hits every Zerg unit and only a few Protoss ones. No one crys imbalance about that. It's how these games have always worked. Different but equal. WarCraft III had Holy Light which was a Heal spell if casted on non-Undead units but became a damage spell against Undead units. Same things in regards to Death Coil, it only did damage to non-Undead units and healed friendly Undead units. Also, to those saying all casters must be Psionic: look at Dark Templars, Archons, and Warp Prisms. None of these are considered casters, yet are all tagged Psionic. Making the Raven psionic would not break the lore . Same with maybe not having 6 immune Toss units. Btw Snipe hitting every Zerg unit became irrelevant the second it only worked on psionic without beeing a joke. | ||
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