Call to Action: Balance Testing (2012/11/20) - Page 46

On November 22 2012 03:50 Arco wrote:

The game is partially balanced based on the story. Look at snipe, it hits every Zerg unit and only a few Protoss ones. No one crys imbalance about that.

It's how these games have always worked. Different but equal. WarCraft III had Holy Light which was a Heal spell if casted on non-Undead units but became a damage spell against Undead units. Same things in regards to Death Coil, it only did damage to non-Undead units and healed friendly Undead units.

Also, to those saying all casters must be Psionic: look at Dark Templars, Archons, and Warp Prisms. None of these are considered casters, yet are all tagged Psionic.

On November 22 2012 02:28 MuMeise wrote:
So I played a few games now.

In my opinion the changes are not hitting the problems but creating other problesm.
This change creates now problems for Zerg but doesn't resolve the problems Protoss has in the lategame. Why is that?

1. Neural is still in place. One Neural to the mama shop and everything is wrecked.
2. You can still Fungal the entire Toss army without any problems. Sentries and HTs stay alive, but you still can't do really anything.
In my opinion the problem was never the infestor alone but the combination with GGLords. And This Thread still stand and Stalkers get still traped all the same so blinking under infestors is still a death trap. Since HTs are so slow the complete idea of the stalker (being fast, harass, retreat, doing great damage when microed correctly with blink) is not working anymore since you need to carry along a high templar all the time...

The only real counter there is against GGLLord, the carrier, is still useless. I just tried to play carrier, speed lot high templar against zerg. Yes it works pretty well at first, i could snipe a few infestors but since feedback as such a low range most of the time the high templar just dies to the broodlings. And the main problem imho still exists that it is extremely easy to fungal interceptors.

All in all i think this change is more a change that will benefit Terran with the Ghost and snipe but the high templar as a "sniping unit" is simply to slow and feedback as not a good range to be viable against mass infestor. Also you need a LOT of high templars against mass infestor play, and then you are extremly low on Gas and you can't do anything against the GGLords.

It would have been the much better change to make the fungal a projectile and also not affecting massive units. Why is that?
I think the infestor as a sentry counter is good! That shouldn't change since pushes like Immortal All-In become even more powerfull, also with the thread of sentries to die of fungal you need to split them correclty etc.
This change removes complexitly from the game, creates problem in the midgame for Zerg and doesn't solve the lategame problems for Toss. I can't comment on Terran though.

On November 22 2012 03:32 Big J wrote:
btw, it feels very weird that fungal can now uncloak some units, but others not:

Units that can be uncloaked (and gernerally hit) with fungal:
-) burrowed units exceptions: queen and Infestor
-) banshee
-) all units under a motherships cloak exceptions: sentry, archon, HT, Warp Prism, (DT)


Units that cannot be uncloaked (and gernerally hit) with fungal:
-) burrowed queen and Infestor
-) cloaked ghost
-) DT
-) when cloaked by a mothership: sentry, archon, HT, Warp Prism, (DT)

Especially the mothership part seems weird. You fungal into the cloaked units, some reveal, some don't.

On November 22 2012 03:48 poorcloud wrote:
This changes seem really good! Infestors will become more of a support unit rather then being the mass-and-win unit.
However, i will make it such that fungal dosen't hold on psionic units but still damage them. Can't imagine zerg controlling phoenixes without fungal

On November 22 2012 03:49 Jinsho wrote:


PHOENIX IS NOT A PSIONIC UNIT.

Read the OP please.


also keep in mind that sentry and warp prism are not psionic either, at least on the map.

On November 22 2012 03:45 DontNerfInfestors wrote:
-Warp prisim and sentry is not psionic.
-Fungal still uncloaks psionic units
-Neural parasite range increased to 8
- Raven is now psionic
- Ghost snipe changed to 45 (+5 vs psionic,-15 vs massive)

On November 21 2012 11:12 Torte de Lini wrote:
I like the HSM upgrade, might be a bit too much to be honest.
But the Infestor change is pretty neat, but I wish they improved neural parasite instead.

On November 22 2012 04:07 s3rp wrote:


Making the Raven psionic would not break the lore . Same with maybe not having 6 immune Toss units. Btw Snipe hitting every Zerg unit became irrelevant the second it only worked on psionic without beeing a joke.