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tMomiji
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1115 Posts
November 21 2012 19:41 GMT
#941
On November 22 2012 04:40 lex.licks.life wrote:
Show nested quote +
That's my point, Zerg play should not revolve around the infestor any more than Protoss play should revolve around the sentry. That's just boring, and horrid design...


PvP LASER WARS
- Do not forget about the Colossus!

Zerg has limited options in WoL. If you cut off one leg of the Infestor, you must give it somewhere else.


I always said the Colossus should be cut in favor of bringing the Reaver back...I aaaaalways said...
"I wonder if there is a league below copper? If so, I would like to inhabit it." -TotalBiscuit "In the event of a sudden change in cabin pressure, ROOF FLIES OFF!" -George Carlin <3 HerO <3 Kiwikaki <3 MKP
Crawdad
Profile Joined September 2012
614 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-21 19:42:22
November 21 2012 19:42 GMT
#942
On November 22 2012 04:40 monkybone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 04:38 zhurai wrote:
(lore should follow balance, not the other way around)


Just consider fungal growth a psionic spell, rather than a physical ability. Then it can be somewhat justified lore-wise.


It might be based on this: Cordyceps fungus.
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
November 21 2012 19:42 GMT
#943
On November 22 2012 04:40 lex.licks.life wrote:
Show nested quote +
That's my point, Zerg play should not revolve around the infestor any more than Protoss play should revolve around the sentry. That's just boring, and horrid design...


PvP LASER WARS
- Do not forget about the Colossus!

Zerg has limited options in WoL. If you cut off one leg of the Infestor, you must give it somewhere else.

Colossi in PvP aren't a unit you get 30 of and hope to win. Anything more than 9-11 isn't worth it. I know what you're trying to say, but please don't stereotype a matchup as being laser wars when you don't understand how important composition is in that matchup.
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
November 21 2012 19:42 GMT
#944
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HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
November 21 2012 19:42 GMT
#945
On November 22 2012 04:39 zhurai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 04:39 HaXXspetten wrote:
On November 22 2012 04:38 zhurai wrote:
(lore should follow balance, not the other way around)

I'd say balance should follow lore, just fkn do it right

lore can always change slightly to allow for changes in balance r_r

I'm quite sure there are better options than to fuck up the single player to fix infestors.....
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
November 21 2012 19:43 GMT
#946
On November 22 2012 04:40 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 04:38 Big J wrote:
On November 22 2012 04:17 Plansix wrote:
On November 22 2012 03:49 Jinsho wrote:
On November 22 2012 03:48 poorcloud wrote:
This changes seem really good! Infestors will become more of a support unit rather then being the mass-and-win unit.
However, i will make it such that fungal dosen't hold on psionic units but still damage them. Can't imagine zerg controlling phoenixes without fungal


PHOENIX IS NOT A PSIONIC UNIT.

Read the OP please.


also keep in mind that sentry and warp prism are not psionic either, at least on the map.



Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, really? Can someone confirm this and if so, get a banner placed in the thread.


Prisms are psionic for sure (played as Protoss, Zerg tried to fungal, didn't work)
pretty sure sentries are psionic as well
(at least on EU)


Ok, I thought the entire world had gone nuts. So how were the greased up, fungle proof warp prisims?


a ton of fun (for me)
I'm not good with P, but flying around with a prism and basically killing any base (on occasion) that didn't have detection + mobile troops with DTs was quite cool.
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
November 21 2012 19:43 GMT
#947
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zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-21 19:44:28
November 21 2012 19:44 GMT
#948
On November 22 2012 04:42 HaXXspetten wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 04:39 zhurai wrote:
On November 22 2012 04:39 HaXXspetten wrote:
On November 22 2012 04:38 zhurai wrote:
(lore should follow balance, not the other way around)

I'd say balance should follow lore, just fkn do it right

lore can always change slightly to allow for changes in balance r_r

I'm quite sure there are better options than to fuck up the single player to fix infestors.....

when/where did I say to completely fuck up lore?

o____O ha-?
Twitter: @zhurai | Site: http://zhurai.com
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
November 21 2012 19:44 GMT
#949
On November 22 2012 04:43 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 04:40 Plansix wrote:
On November 22 2012 04:38 Big J wrote:
On November 22 2012 04:17 Plansix wrote:
On November 22 2012 03:49 Jinsho wrote:
On November 22 2012 03:48 poorcloud wrote:
This changes seem really good! Infestors will become more of a support unit rather then being the mass-and-win unit.
However, i will make it such that fungal dosen't hold on psionic units but still damage them. Can't imagine zerg controlling phoenixes without fungal


PHOENIX IS NOT A PSIONIC UNIT.

Read the OP please.


also keep in mind that sentry and warp prism are not psionic either, at least on the map.



Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, really? Can someone confirm this and if so, get a banner placed in the thread.


Prisms are psionic for sure (played as Protoss, Zerg tried to fungal, didn't work)
pretty sure sentries are psionic as well
(at least on EU)


Ok, I thought the entire world had gone nuts. So how were the greased up, fungle proof warp prisims?


a ton of fun (for me)
I'm not good with P, but flying around with a prism and basically killing any base (on occasion) that didn't have detection + mobile troops with DTs was quite cool.

Man, PvZ is going to be so much fun now. Midgame and lategame are going to be both players trying to out multitask each other. Maybe we'll see a shift back into ling/muta styles now that turtling to hive is nerfed somewhat. I wouldn't even mind seeing a Hydra buff now that Protoss lategame is stronger.
Giantt
Profile Joined December 2010
Bulgaria82 Posts
November 21 2012 19:45 GMT
#950
On November 22 2012 04:25 lex.licks.life wrote:
[F*ck it, this Lurker is attacking.]

Infestor: The band-aid of the Zerg race, the end-all massed unit of WoL. (Hi, Warhound)
Fungal Growth: [A] || [B]
[A] changed to Fungal Cloud and slowly damages all units under the cloud.
- Allows slowed movement and still reveals cloaked units.
- Still instant cast.
[B] Change Fungal Growth to projectile that PDD cannot intercept.
-Change Ghost EMP to projectile to pair well with projectile FG, increase radius of EMP
Neural Parasite:
-Cannot affect Heroic units
Infested Terran:
-Damage buff but reduce the range on the unit.
-Extended duration of life on unit. (Look at the Auto-Turret)

Raven: Starting energy upgrade to 100 is pretty sexy.


LIKE the Fungal Cloud idea - would like to see a map with that!
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
November 21 2012 19:45 GMT
#951
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Crawdad
Profile Joined September 2012
614 Posts
November 21 2012 19:46 GMT
#952
On November 22 2012 04:42 monkybone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 04:42 Crawdad wrote:
On November 22 2012 04:40 monkybone wrote:
On November 22 2012 04:38 zhurai wrote:
(lore should follow balance, not the other way around)


Just consider fungal growth a psionic spell, rather than a physical ability. Then it can be somewhat justified lore-wise.


It might be based on this: Cordyceps fungus.


Could you explain for a TL;DR'r?


Species of fungus that invades the host and controls the brain, forcing the hapless insects to stay still in certain places, so that the spores are released optimally.
tMomiji
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1115 Posts
November 21 2012 19:47 GMT
#953
On November 22 2012 04:44 Shiori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 04:43 Big J wrote:
On November 22 2012 04:40 Plansix wrote:
On November 22 2012 04:38 Big J wrote:
On November 22 2012 04:17 Plansix wrote:
On November 22 2012 03:49 Jinsho wrote:
On November 22 2012 03:48 poorcloud wrote:
This changes seem really good! Infestors will become more of a support unit rather then being the mass-and-win unit.
However, i will make it such that fungal dosen't hold on psionic units but still damage them. Can't imagine zerg controlling phoenixes without fungal


PHOENIX IS NOT A PSIONIC UNIT.

Read the OP please.


also keep in mind that sentry and warp prism are not psionic either, at least on the map.



Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, really? Can someone confirm this and if so, get a banner placed in the thread.


Prisms are psionic for sure (played as Protoss, Zerg tried to fungal, didn't work)
pretty sure sentries are psionic as well
(at least on EU)


Ok, I thought the entire world had gone nuts. So how were the greased up, fungle proof warp prisims?


a ton of fun (for me)
I'm not good with P, but flying around with a prism and basically killing any base (on occasion) that didn't have detection + mobile troops with DTs was quite cool.

Man, PvZ is going to be so much fun now. Midgame and lategame are going to be both players trying to out multitask each other. Maybe we'll see a shift back into ling/muta styles now that turtling to hive is nerfed somewhat. I wouldn't even mind seeing a Hydra buff now that Protoss lategame is stronger.


HYDRA BUFF

DO WANT
"I wonder if there is a league below copper? If so, I would like to inhabit it." -TotalBiscuit "In the event of a sudden change in cabin pressure, ROOF FLIES OFF!" -George Carlin <3 HerO <3 Kiwikaki <3 MKP
virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3599 Posts
November 21 2012 19:47 GMT
#954
On November 22 2012 04:45 monkybone wrote:
I have always wondered why not Zergs leave a corruptor or two at the edges of their bases to defend against Warp prisms. Puts a clock on the warp prism. It's not like they're going to warp in Stalkers.

corruptors take up lots of supply, and you can't keep a lot of them at home, because they'll be missed in the main army.
first we make expand, then we defense it.
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
November 21 2012 19:48 GMT
#955
On November 22 2012 04:44 zhurai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 04:42 HaXXspetten wrote:
On November 22 2012 04:39 zhurai wrote:
On November 22 2012 04:39 HaXXspetten wrote:
On November 22 2012 04:38 zhurai wrote:
(lore should follow balance, not the other way around)

I'd say balance should follow lore, just fkn do it right

lore can always change slightly to allow for changes in balance r_r

I'm quite sure there are better options than to fuck up the single player to fix infestors.....

when/where did I say to completely fuck up lore?

o____O ha-?

well obviously an extreme example, but my point is you shouldn't let lore be affected in any way by balance as single player & multiplayer are separate
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 21 2012 19:48 GMT
#956
On November 22 2012 04:43 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 04:40 Plansix wrote:
On November 22 2012 04:38 Big J wrote:
On November 22 2012 04:17 Plansix wrote:
On November 22 2012 03:49 Jinsho wrote:
On November 22 2012 03:48 poorcloud wrote:
This changes seem really good! Infestors will become more of a support unit rather then being the mass-and-win unit.
However, i will make it such that fungal dosen't hold on psionic units but still damage them. Can't imagine zerg controlling phoenixes without fungal


PHOENIX IS NOT A PSIONIC UNIT.

Read the OP please.


also keep in mind that sentry and warp prism are not psionic either, at least on the map.



Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, really? Can someone confirm this and if so, get a banner placed in the thread.


Prisms are psionic for sure (played as Protoss, Zerg tried to fungal, didn't work)
pretty sure sentries are psionic as well
(at least on EU)


Ok, I thought the entire world had gone nuts. So how were the greased up, fungle proof warp prisims?


a ton of fun (for me)
I'm not good with P, but flying around with a prism and basically killing any base (on occasion) that didn't have detection + mobile troops with DTs was quite cool.


Sounds like your opponent should have had more detection and spine crawlers. It is what protoss do when it gets to late game, though we call our spine crawlers “photon cannons”.

I hope this change makes it in, because I want to see speed prisms yanked back by Vipers when trying to escape. I’m thinking for my long term amusement here.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
theinfamousone
Profile Joined February 2011
United States103 Posts
November 21 2012 19:48 GMT
#957
Anyone else think its funny that a few months ago we were complaining that ghosts were imba and now they're completely useless as a combination of the nerfs and the fact that zergs realized how good 20 infestors working together can be? I think I'd be comfortable with snipe getting buffed back to previous levels to add some utility to them besides a 200 min 100 gas unit that you're gambling might be able to emp or kill a 100 min 150 gas unit (but probably not).
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
November 21 2012 19:49 GMT
#958
On November 22 2012 04:43 monkybone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 04:42 HaXXspetten wrote:
On November 22 2012 04:39 zhurai wrote:
On November 22 2012 04:39 HaXXspetten wrote:
On November 22 2012 04:38 zhurai wrote:
(lore should follow balance, not the other way around)

I'd say balance should follow lore, just fkn do it right

lore can always change slightly to allow for changes in balance r_r

I'm quite sure there are better options than to fuck up the single player to fix infestors.....


When has single player ever been a concern?

it hasn't, as it's 100% unaffected

let's keep it that way
Nacht1331
Profile Joined November 2011
United States15 Posts
November 21 2012 19:49 GMT
#959
On November 22 2012 04:25 lex.licks.life wrote:
[F*ck it, this Lurker is attacking.]

Infestor: The band-aid of the Zerg race, the end-all massed unit of WoL. (Hi, Warhound)
Fungal Growth: [A] || [B]
[A] changed to Fungal Cloud and slowly damages all units under the cloud.
- Allows slowed movement and still reveals cloaked units.
- Still instant cast.
[B] Change Fungal Growth to projectile that PDD cannot intercept.
-Change Ghost EMP to projectile to pair well with projectile FG, increase radius of EMP
Neural Parasite:
-Cannot affect Heroic units
Infested Terran:
-Damage buff but reduce the range on the unit.
-Extended duration of life on unit. (Look at the Auto-Turret)

Raven: Starting energy upgrade to 100 is pretty sexy.


EMP is a projectile, just a rather fast one. Storm and fungal are not projectiles. PDD only affects the shots, not spells, that form projectiles (otherwise they would stop SM, IT, medivacs, snipe(?) and EMP)
Alas TSL, we knew the well.
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
November 21 2012 19:50 GMT
#960
On November 22 2012 04:47 virpi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 04:45 monkybone wrote:
I have always wondered why not Zergs leave a corruptor or two at the edges of their bases to defend against Warp prisms. Puts a clock on the warp prism. It's not like they're going to warp in Stalkers.

corruptors take up lots of supply, and you can't keep a lot of them at home, because they'll be missed in the main army.

just like it takes supply to put marines to put into the bunker (sometimes with tank support) to protect the 3rd for example, right?
Twitter: @zhurai | Site: http://zhurai.com
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