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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On November 16 2012 17:48 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 17:44 Zealously wrote:On November 16 2012 15:00 -Kyo- wrote:
Can't tell if half the people in this thread are trolling. I can't even tell if Kespa is trolling. These maps are going to be awful for the game we have. And when I say awful I mean we'll be seeing things like mass marines as we did on maps like steps of war. Not because of distances this time, just because it's the most affective with the map layouts...
I can't even begin to comprehend all of the exploits these maps are going to lead to... half of them don't even have an accessible 3rd base. Nightmare for protoss... I'm sure other maps have their imbalances for other races as well...
I have no other words than this: This looks really, really awful. What makes a map good then? Safe expansions? The ability to reach 200/200 without risk? Personally, I think these maps are potaentially very interesting. Will they be imbalanced? Yes? Will they grab the meta-game, stomp on it, tear it to pieces and then throw it in the garbage? Yeah, probably. But I'm not too interested in the NR20 games any more if there's not going to be a lot of engagements following that. Right now, PvZ, PvP and TvZ are largely decided by one engagement because the units are so powerful and so expensive/hard to re-produce. So what if we see mass-marines for a while? At least it'd be refreshing. Tl;dr "balance" and "good maps" are both subjective. With the current state of the meta-game, these are imbalanced. But why do we(or they, rather) have to keep the current meta? If you take a look at the recommended games from GSL live report threads the last months it's not uncommon to see 11/11 or nydus cheeses very highly recommended. People are tired of watching NR20 bludlud impestor turtles, and will welcome any variation. How people can be against this at this point i just dunno :/
Exactly! And at this point, people are starting to press the "Do not recommend"-button on default if there was an Infestor in the game, let alone 20 Infestors with Brood Lords.
I'm not saying I don't like macro games - they have a lot of potential (see jjakji vs. Leenock, Taeja vs. Rain, DRG vs. MMA and so on), but it doesn't all have to be macro safely on 3+ bases. Anyone saying otherwise is... I don't know, not someone I agree with.
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The first two look good, the others look ugly and akward. But I want to see some games on them before making up my mind.
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Its about time to see some proleague can't wait to miss school/work etc to watch starcraft again 
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this is exactly what sc2 needs right now.
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GSL still setting the global standard 
Those arena-like desert maps were already ugly as fuck in BW, so why bring them back?
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New maps, and hopefully balanced maps!! Will be fantastic!!!
Cant wait to see how these plays out in the new PL!!
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Cool maps. If only Blizzard listen to us and bring tournament maps to ladder. Sigh
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That "Transistor" map looks really interesting!
Maybe it's because of the small images, but I fail to see any watchtowers! I hope this is true
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United Kingdom12054 Posts
On November 16 2012 19:07 Daswollvieh wrote:GSL still setting the global standard Those arena-like desert maps were already ugly as fuck in BW, so why bring them back?
I loved the arena style desert maps <3
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This is gonna be brilliant, haven't seen many new maps recently :D Can't wait to see how the games play out
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(Wrong thread!)
New maps are worth a try. The way the game is currently played doesn't really garner my love, so... shake it up!
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Yay maybe games that wont be NR20 with 0 harrass.
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On November 16 2012 19:19 covetousrat wrote:
Cool maps. If only Blizzard listen to us and bring tournament maps to ladder. Sigh
I really think that the current way of doing ladder map pools is just terrible and needs to be changed for hots. Like a "map of the week" arcade section or something where people can vote for maps and in the week of the ladder lock people can vote for what map needs to be removed from the pool and what map needs to be added.
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On November 16 2012 19:29 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 19:07 Daswollvieh wrote:GSL still setting the global standard Those arena-like desert maps were already ugly as fuck in BW, so why bring them back? I loved the arena style desert maps <3
I expect some kingly games on these. 
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Lol, of all the maps out there, Gaema Gowon, Arkanoid, Guillotine and Bifrost ? lol
Bifrost should be funny, it's kind of the polar opposite of today's macro maps, I expect some raging...
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Honestly we wouldn't need to change these maps if people would stop "all-inning" and just do "pressure." But everything before 3 base is labeled an all in and called cheese now.
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This news refreshes my passion to the game with all good BW memories! I wanna play alot today
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To be honest, it's refreshing, doesn't matter if they are balanced or not right now, since i think they will or did playtest them. More varied gamestyles are required and maps are the easier way to do that since blizzard doesn't through maps.
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They need a bit of cosmetic work, but not sure about the actual gameplay of them since i didnt follow BW
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On November 16 2012 17:05 Sabu113 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 15:08 phodacbiet wrote:On November 16 2012 15:00 -Kyo- wrote:
Can't tell if half the people in this thread are trolling. I can't even tell if Kespa is trolling. These maps are going to be awful for the game we have. And when I say awful I mean we'll be seeing things like mass marines as we did on maps like steps of war. Not because of distances this time, just because it's the most affective with the map layouts...
I can't even begin to comprehend all of the exploits these maps are going to lead to... half of them don't even have an accessible 3rd base. Nightmare for protoss... I'm sure other maps have their imbalances for other races as well...
I have no other words than this: This looks really, really awful. You prefer NR 20 Infestor broodlord? How is that an argument? Sure we'll have shorter games but they'll probably all end up one way.
Yeah =/ youre right, things arent looking too bright for sc if long game is nr 20 broodlord and short game is all in.
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