EPTThat being said, does that make everything Jessica said true? I'm not used to thinking of her in the victim role, but it looks like she might be in this case.
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Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
That being said, does that make everything Jessica said true? I'm not used to thinking of her in the victim role, but it looks like she might be in this case. | ||
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GenesisX
Canada4267 Posts
On October 19 2012 18:28 nkr wrote: this is the part when savior takes off his jessica mask, right? this post doesn't get enough love lolol OT: totally didn't expect that, kinda admirable if you ask me | ||
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Diglett
600 Posts
and yeah I'm generalizing but a large part of the tl community has that kind of thinking from what I have seen. honestly if everyone was kind and attempted not to be douchebags stuff like this would never happen. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On October 20 2012 02:47 renaissanceMAN wrote: It's still the right thing to do. They can't revive the Slayers team. At this point the fact that they're taking some responsibility for what happened shows that they care enough about their image that they're willing to do the right thing. It also gives us precedence, meaning that this will unlikely happen again. So say that I've murdered your cat. And then later I apologized for it. Would that still makes it okay? | ||
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
On October 20 2012 02:48 Jaaaaasper wrote: LOL esf, fighting kespa by becoming kespa. That being said, does that make everything Jessica said true? I'm not used to thinking of her in the victim role, but it looks like she might be in this case. When she run a team into ground, she is not a victim. Not alot of business skill (dealing with ESF) or management skill (dealing with own players) were displayed. | ||
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Angel_
United States1617 Posts
And on our side we spam #shitontwitterandreddit like 12 year olds and talk about how great of an idea it is. And people wonder why we're behind. | ||
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GloPikkle
United States197 Posts
On October 20 2012 02:51 Xiphos wrote: So say that I've murdered your cat. And then later I apologized for it. Would that still makes it okay? No, but it's better than not apologizing. Wrong then right thing makes it better than wrong then wrong thing again. | ||
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farnham
1378 Posts
On October 20 2012 02:55 ragz_gt wrote: When she run a team into ground, she is not a victim. Not alot of business skill (dealing with ESF) or management skill (dealing with own players) were displayed. ESFs conditions where join or die there was no room to negotiate. her own players where victims to the practice ban and were not loyal to her. which is understandable but still not honorable (especially in case of MMA) | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37055 Posts
"wtf? So only coach Won is going to step down and issue an apology? What about the other ESF staff members? Where's their apology? What about the players who agreed with this whole SlayerS restriction? Where's their apology?" "So coach Won steps down and another asshole from ESF who also agreed with the SlayerS restriction gets to take his spot. Yeah, everything's been fixed." "Just get rid of ESF already. You guys are not needed." "You say you guys are working together for the future of eSports. You think singling out a team and putting a restriction on them, bullying them, and forcing players not to practice with that team is going to help the future of eSports? You guys are all full of shit and none of you deserve to be working for eSports." "You call this an apology? An elementary student could have written this crap." "I love how they are issuing an apology after everything went to hell. Good job guys. You guys are real mature. Way to step it up." "What the hell. Yeah, okay. So he steps down from his ESF position but he still remains as a coach for StarTale. You guys haven't fixed anything." "Don't even bother spewing up bull crap about an apology. All of you who were in involved with this bullying, gtfo." Holy crap... Korean netizens Oo;; | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
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farnham
1378 Posts
On October 20 2012 02:55 GloPikkle wrote: No, but it's better than not apologizing. Wrong then right thing makes it better than wrong then wrong thing again. in this case it is like this I murdered the cat the cat owner accused me of murdering his cat i said I didnt do it the cat owner brings evidence (knife, blood strains, DNA test etc) I say i might have scratched it with a knife but didnt kill it the cat owner brings more evidence (vid) I apologize | ||
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
On October 20 2012 02:57 farnham wrote: ESFs conditions where join or die there was no room to negotiate. her own players where victims to the practice ban and were not loyal to her. which is understandable but still not honorable (especially in case of MMA) The situation were against her sure. But that's what leadership and negotiation skills are for. FXO had issues and went public early and get stuff resolved. TSL had issues and quietly rebuilt into one of the strongest team. If it's supposed to be easy then everyone would be doing it. | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
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felisconcolori
United States6168 Posts
On October 20 2012 02:58 farnham wrote: in this case it is like this I murdered the cat the cat owner accused me of murdering his cat i said I didnt do it the cat owner brings evidence (knife, blood strains, DNA test etc) I say i might have scratched it with a knife but didnt kill it the cat owner brings more evidence (vid) I apologize Actually, it's more along the lines of... You put the cat in a box with a radioactive isotope with a half life of about a year. The owner of the cat is angry, and wants you to take the cat out of the box. You say "It's okay, you can take the cat out of the box." The cat's owner looks in the box, sees the cat, and invites other cats into the box. You don't talk about the cat, or ask about it, or acknowledge the cat is there. After a year, the cat is dead. Testing is inconclusive whether it was the box, the radioactivity, or another cat that killed it. The cat's owner says "You killed my cat!" You say "I did not!" The cat's owner posts a screenshot of you, the cat, the box, and some packing tape on reddit under the title "This asshole killed my cat!" You apologize for putting the cat in the box. | ||
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Forgottenfrog
United States1268 Posts
On October 20 2012 02:57 SeeKeR wrote: Some comments by Korean netizens: (Sources are from fomos and TIG) "wtf? So only coach Won is going to step down and issue an apology? What about the other ESF staff members? Where's their apology? What about the players who agreed with this whole SlayerS restriction? Where's their apology?" "So coach Won steps down and another asshole from ESF who also agreed with the SlayerS restriction gets to take his spot. Yeah, everything's been fixed." "Just get rid of ESF already. You guys are not needed." "You say you guys are working together for the future of eSports. You think singling out a team and putting a restriction on them, bullying them, and forcing players not to practice with that team is going to help the future of eSports? You guys are all full of shit and none of you deserve to be working for eSports." "You call this an apology? An elementary student could have written this crap." "I love how they are issuing an apology after everything went to hell. Good job guys. You guys are real mature. Way to step it up." "What the hell. Yeah, okay. So he steps down from his ESF position but he still remains as a coach for StarTale. You guys haven't fixed anything." "Don't even bother spewing up bull crap about an apology. All of you who were in involved with this bullying, gtfo." Holy crap... Korean netizens Oo;; I feel the same way as most of these Korean netizens. Yes they issue an apology but nothing has changed. There were more people involved than coach Won. Replace Coach Won with another member of the ESF who would have done the same thing to Slayer. If they apologize before Slayers disbanded than I'll understand but to do after the team has gone to shit is kind of too late. I am glad there is an apology though because now we know for a fact that ESF is acting like kespa. What are we going to find out next? That Manager J was sent by ESF. Seriously I lost all hope for ESF when they lifted the restriction for Slayers and continue it "unofficially." Shady businesses should not be supported. | ||
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farnham
1378 Posts
On October 20 2012 03:13 felisconcolori wrote: Actually, it's more along the lines of... You put the cat in a box with a radioactive isotope with a half life of about a year. The owner of the cat is angry, and wants you to take the cat out of the box. You say "It's okay, you can take the cat out of the box." The cat's owner looks in the box, sees the cat, and invites other cats into the box. You don't talk about the cat, or ask about it, or acknowledge the cat is there. After a year, the cat is dead. Testing is inconclusive whether it was the box, the radioactivity, or another cat that killed it. The cat's owner says "You killed my cat!" You say "I did not!" The cat's owner posts a screenshot of you, the cat, the box, and some packing tape on reddit under the title "This asshole killed my cat!" You apologize for putting the cat in the box. what the... | ||
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felisconcolori
United States6168 Posts
On October 20 2012 03:14 Forgottenfrog wrote: + Show Spoiler + On October 20 2012 02:57 SeeKeR wrote: Some comments by Korean netizens: (Sources are from fomos and TIG) "wtf? So only coach Won is going to step down and issue an apology? What about the other ESF staff members? Where's their apology? What about the players who agreed with this whole SlayerS restriction? Where's their apology?" "So coach Won steps down and another asshole from ESF who also agreed with the SlayerS restriction gets to take his spot. Yeah, everything's been fixed." "Just get rid of ESF already. You guys are not needed." "You say you guys are working together for the future of eSports. You think singling out a team and putting a restriction on them, bullying them, and forcing players not to practice with that team is going to help the future of eSports? You guys are all full of shit and none of you deserve to be working for eSports." "You call this an apology? An elementary student could have written this crap." "I love how they are issuing an apology after everything went to hell. Good job guys. You guys are real mature. Way to step it up." "What the hell. Yeah, okay. So he steps down from his ESF position but he still remains as a coach for StarTale. You guys haven't fixed anything." "Don't even bother spewing up bull crap about an apology. All of you who were in involved with this bullying, gtfo." Holy crap... Korean netizens Oo;; I feel the same way as most of these Korean netizens. Yes they issue an apology but nothing has changed. There were more people involved than coach Won. Replace Coach Won with another member of the ESF who would have done the same thing to Slayer. If they apologize before Slayers disbanded than I'll understand but to do after the team has gone to shit is kind of too late. I am glad there is an apology though because now we know for a fact that ESF is acting like kespa. What are we going to find out next? That Manager J was sent by ESF. Seriously I lost all hope for ESF when they lifted the restriction for Slayers and continue it "unofficially." Shady businesses should not be supported. This is why people are upset that Jessica is only bringing this up now, after SlayerS is to be disbanded. She could have said much the same thing last December, when SlayerS was still in a position that could be salvaged. As for Manager J, sources suggest he is not an eSF individual so please don't suggest that even jokingly. Half the people in this twisted world of internet telephone games will be posting it as fact on Reddit in 20 minutes. Replacement for Coach Won should be a player, preferably one who has enough stature and credibility to say "This will not happen again" and have it stick. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45175 Posts
On October 19 2012 18:28 nkr wrote: this is the part when savior takes off his jessica mask, right? But then the lights go out, and Jaedong is awarded the position as new leader of ESF. OT: Glad to see people taking responsibility for their actions. | ||
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felisconcolori
United States6168 Posts
The situation surrounding the upcoming disbandment of SlayerS is just that clear. The ban was a factor, and it was bad, but it is not the sole cause of death. Unfortunately I don't think there's an eSports coroner that will be able to do a full autopsy of the situation and find out, and the myriad rumors, accusations, and shadings don't help to shine a light on the impartial truth of it all. ---- off topic - don't people know about Schroedinger's cat these days? | ||
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mikedebo
Canada4341 Posts
On October 20 2012 03:13 felisconcolori wrote: Actually, it's more along the lines of... You put the cat in a box with a radioactive isotope with a half life of about a year. The owner of the cat is angry, and wants you to take the cat out of the box. You say "It's okay, you can take the cat out of the box." The cat's owner looks in the box, sees the cat, and invites other cats into the box. You don't talk about the cat, or ask about it, or acknowledge the cat is there. After a year, the cat is dead. Testing is inconclusive whether it was the box, the radioactivity, or another cat that killed it. The cat's owner says "You killed my cat!" You say "I did not!" The cat's owner posts a screenshot of you, the cat, the box, and some packing tape on reddit under the title "This asshole killed my cat!" You apologize for putting the cat in the box. OMG LOL!!!!!!!! Someone put this in the OP PLEASE hahaha | ||
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