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On October 20 2012 00:38 ragz_gt wrote:I expect any business entity to behave shady like that really. The difference is that ESF is more foreign friendly.
But ESF is just a team committee, basically team coaches sitting together, not big company controlled. So it's worse if they did the same evil thing as KeSPA did. KeSPA is controlled by several big companies, they have a big company mask.
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How does a team lose all their sponsors after winning Team League? How exactly iss random manager "J" responsible for losing the teams sponsors, when Jessica was the person running/in ownership of the team?
A lot of people come off as if this is "boxer's team" Boxer accepted a job with SKT1 and never "owned" Slayers. Sure, it had his name in the title, and he was a player on the team, but he also has close ties with SKT. Who can say if he would or would not have gone to SKT1 even if all this drama never took place, perhaps he would have been the one jumping ship to join SKT1 regardless of drama?
I'm not making statements, such as "slayers vs kespa" or "jessica is guilty/innocent"
I'm just asking questions, something a lot more people need to do in this thread. We don't know all the information, so either wait for it, or be aware that you might be spouting a fountain of shit.
I will miss SlayerS, good luck to the players.
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Don't miss tomorrow episode of ESF more twist and turns did SlayerS really disbanded or was it all just to get the head of ESF to step down, will Life overcome his fears and defeat MVP. find out tomorrow on the most exiting episode yet...
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I think Mr Chae should arrange a Boxer vs MMA showmatch before GSL finals, fuck it. At least something really entertaining will come out of this whole thing.
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On October 19 2012 18:27 TeeTS wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 18:17 silent_owl wrote:
Jessica-haters proven wrong. I knew it. Good for Boxer and Jessica, justice prevails. haha you don't know how this world works, do you? He stepped down, because of the pressure that ignorant fans put on him, believing everything they are said first without thinking "what?" and "why?". He is a scapegoat to calm down the athmosphere, nothing more nothing less. This proves nothing, especially not justice. But yeah, live on in your shiny world of good and bad!
Either he is guilty, then it proves he was wrong. Or he has no spine, if he succumbs to that bit of "pressure".
I am sure you also believe L. Armstrong just gave in to "pressure", right?
The world might not be good and bad, but sometimes some things are indeed.
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This isn't just drama. This is a responsible and admirable decision made in a tough situation. Hope it works out for Mr. Won.
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don't know if this is warranted, their treatment of Slayers does seem despicable
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Its more of Korean 'saving face,' doing what you're expected to do which is step down IIRC.
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I really don't think that this is very legally complicated. As for mobs with pitchforks, well all we've seen is hearsay. i haven't seen a single email, and all i have is some quotation marks and an apology. In korean society i suppose face is more important than law, so in a way Coach Won already lost (see what i did there lol)
In any case, the internet in S Korea is a snake pit for anyone with a little bit of celebrity. get caught just out of position once... not even a rattle...
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On October 20 2012 00:21 mtn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 18:27 TeeTS wrote:On October 19 2012 18:17 silent_owl wrote:
Jessica-haters proven wrong. I knew it. Good for Boxer and Jessica, justice prevails. haha you don't know how this world works, do you? He stepped down, because of the pressure that ignorant fans put on him, believing everything they are said first without thinking "what?" and "why?". He is a scapegoat to calm down the athmosphere, nothing more nothing less. This proves nothing, especially not justice. But yeah, live on in your shiny world of good and bad! No. He apologized to Slayers and Jessica for the things he did to them. WHY WOULD HE APOLOGIZED TO THEM IF HE DIDNT DO ANYTHING?
An apology does not make an accusation true, unless it specifically says, "I'm sorry for] <the stuff you said I did, which I did>." Even then, public opinion is apparently so bad against him and eSF, he's not in a position to put up much of a fight. I don't know if he brought a knife to a gunfight or if Jessica brought a gun to a knife fight.
How do we know SlayerS was the only team that was bullied? How do we know if it isn't just a case of usual Internet BM, with a little extra hate for SlayerS since people were jealous of them, what with Boxer and back to back GSTL victories, Intel sponsorship, Troy, general popularity among the public. I've seen a lot of accusations about how SlayerS players were supposedly spoiled, with regards to MMA and Crank supposedly acting up. It's not hard to imagine that other teams' players felt jealous or spiteful, plus the SlayerS players could have done their share of BM back, some harmless and some less so, but up til now, Jessica has been the only one collecting evidence, which seems to be her MO.
That jealousy and resulting BM towards SlayerS isn't necessarily connected with the practice ban. It's completely plausible that eSF began this practice ban and then realized a lot of their players already felt some resentment against SlayerS players and then revoked the ban later. However, that wouldn't necessarily stop some players from still practicing the ban for months afterward.
There are so many possibilities as to how it could have played out. At least, whether his hand was forced or not, Coach Won of Startale is taking some responsibility for how his team may have behaved. Jessica has scarce taken any responsibility for her or her players' actions, and instead turned that into another battle. She has largely said, "poor Boxer, look what they've done to him," and whether true or not, people have bought it. There isn't even any mention of age or injury as to other reasons Boxer may have lost drive. Maybe MMA did something bad and it was the straw that broke the camel's back, yet he and Crank take all the blame because of Jessica's story. That's hardly fair.
As to Boxer, his silence isn't necessarily acceptance of whatever Jessica does. How should Boxer find fault with someone who is defending him? That might make her really mad and think he's ungrateful, too. This is, imo, more Jessica's battle than it is Boxer's, even if she really thinks she's doing it for him. It's possible he's just waiting for the situation to die down. His word carries a lot of weight--too much for those who will respond with hate if he places blame, and he probably recognizes that danger.
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On October 20 2012 01:12 Nuclease wrote:
This isn't just drama. This is a responsible and admirable decision made in a tough situation. Hope it works out for Mr. Won.
are you kidding me
he stated yesterday that he wants to publish everything and defend his position
then jessica published the e-mail and now as he ees now way of explaining this he just pulled out (but is staying coach of startale)
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I know this seems like a bad thing, but i think its an opportunity for things to change, and it just shows how much esports matters in the world. I for one would like to think that all parties will be better off after all this negativity.
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On October 19 2012 19:27 blarkh wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 19:23 MCXD wrote:
I like how Jessica felt it necessary to basically destroy the existing SC2 scene on her way out.
That's sarcasm, by the way. Because seriously, even if the ESF management is a bunch of assholes, does she realize what she's done? She might have just started a chain reaction that would ruin the careers of a lot of other, innocent (or ill-informed) people with her irrational emo dump. You would have to be insane to support this.
This is precisely why the SlayerS players had friction with her >_> So you're that guy that thinks the Mafia shouldn't be brought down because it would increase Sicilian unemployment, right?
No he is the person who thinks scandals should be covered up because people "might lose their jobs" or "it might tarnish the reputation of Organization x".
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On October 20 2012 01:21 Ansinjunger wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 00:21 mtn wrote:On October 19 2012 18:27 TeeTS wrote:On October 19 2012 18:17 silent_owl wrote:
Jessica-haters proven wrong. I knew it. Good for Boxer and Jessica, justice prevails. haha you don't know how this world works, do you? He stepped down, because of the pressure that ignorant fans put on him, believing everything they are said first without thinking "what?" and "why?". He is a scapegoat to calm down the athmosphere, nothing more nothing less. This proves nothing, especially not justice. But yeah, live on in your shiny world of good and bad! No. He apologized to Slayers and Jessica for the things he did to them. WHY WOULD HE APOLOGIZED TO THEM IF HE DIDNT DO ANYTHING? An apology does not make an accusation true, unless it specifically says, "I'm sorry for] <the stuff you said I did, which I did>." Even then, public opinion is apparently so bad against him and eSF, he's not in a position to put up much of a fight. I don't know if he brought a knife to a gunfight or if Jessica brought a gun to a knife fight. How do we know SlayerS was the only team that was bullied? How do we know if it isn't just a case of usual Internet BM, with a little extra hate for SlayerS since people were jealous of them, what with Boxer and back to back GSTL victories, Intel sponsorship, Troy, general popularity among the public. I've seen a lot of accusations about how SlayerS players were supposedly spoiled, with regards to MMA and Crank supposedly acting up. It's not hard to imagine that other teams' players felt jealous or spiteful, plus the SlayerS players could have done their share of BM back, some harmless and some less so, but up til now, Jessica has been the only one collecting evidence, which seems to be her MO. That jealousy and resulting BM towards SlayerS isn't necessarily connected with the practice ban. It's completely plausible that eSF began this practice ban and then realized a lot of their players already felt some resentment against SlayerS players and then revoked the ban later. However, that wouldn't necessarily stop some players from still practicing the ban for months afterward. There are so many possibilities as to how it could have played out. At least, whether his hand was forced or not, Coach Won of Startale is taking some responsibility for how his team may have behaved. Jessica has scarce taken any responsibility for her or her players' actions, and instead turned that into another battle. She has largely said, "poor Boxer, look what they've done to him," and whether true or not, people have bought it. There isn't even any mention of age or injury as to other reasons Boxer may have lost drive. Maybe MMA did something bad and it was the straw that broke the camel's back, yet he and Crank take all the blame because of Jessica's story. That's hardly fair. As to Boxer, his silence isn't necessarily acceptance of whatever Jessica does. How should Boxer find fault with someone who is defending him? That might make her really mad and think he's ungrateful, too. This is, imo, more Jessica's battle than it is Boxer's, even if she really thinks she's doing it for him. It's possible he's just waiting for the situation to die down. His word carries a lot of weight--too much for those who will respond with hate if he places blame, and he probably recognizes that danger. wow you really are trying to make jessica look bad.
its already confirmed by mc, by ace by the disclosed e-mail from coach won that the practice ban existed and it is clear that esf wanted slayers to join them (the disclosed e/mail says "practice ban is lifted. come join us.".
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Damn these Korean dramas! When do we get to the part where someone gets cancer inexplicably?
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On October 20 2012 00:51 Mo0Rauder wrote:
How does a team lose all their sponsors after winning Team League? How exactly iss random manager "J" responsible for losing the teams sponsors, when Jessica was the person running/in ownership of the team?
A lot of people come off as if this is "boxer's team" Boxer accepted a job with SKT1 and never "owned" Slayers. Sure, it had his name in the title, and he was a player on the team, but he also has close ties with SKT. Who can say if he would or would not have gone to SKT1 even if all this drama never took place, perhaps he would have been the one jumping ship to join SKT1 regardless of drama?
I'm not making statements, such as "slayers vs kespa" or "jessica is guilty/innocent"
I'm just asking questions, something a lot more people need to do in this thread. We don't know all the information, so either wait for it, or be aware that you might be spouting a fountain of shit.
I will miss SlayerS, good luck to the players.
slayers would have gotten Dongsan Contructions sponsorship easily. her father owns that firm.
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I ran out of popcorn a while ago. Need to go restock.
Once we get the players' stories, there will be an interesting plot twist. Hopefully not though 
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On October 20 2012 01:24 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 01:21 Ansinjunger wrote:On October 20 2012 00:21 mtn wrote:On October 19 2012 18:27 TeeTS wrote:On October 19 2012 18:17 silent_owl wrote:
Jessica-haters proven wrong. I knew it. Good for Boxer and Jessica, justice prevails. haha you don't know how this world works, do you? He stepped down, because of the pressure that ignorant fans put on him, believing everything they are said first without thinking "what?" and "why?". He is a scapegoat to calm down the athmosphere, nothing more nothing less. This proves nothing, especially not justice. But yeah, live on in your shiny world of good and bad! No. He apologized to Slayers and Jessica for the things he did to them. WHY WOULD HE APOLOGIZED TO THEM IF HE DIDNT DO ANYTHING? An apology does not make an accusation true, unless it specifically says, "I'm sorry for] <the stuff you said I did, which I did>." Even then, public opinion is apparently so bad against him and eSF, he's not in a position to put up much of a fight. I don't know if he brought a knife to a gunfight or if Jessica brought a gun to a knife fight. How do we know SlayerS was the only team that was bullied? How do we know if it isn't just a case of usual Internet BM, with a little extra hate for SlayerS since people were jealous of them, what with Boxer and back to back GSTL victories, Intel sponsorship, Troy, general popularity among the public. I've seen a lot of accusations about how SlayerS players were supposedly spoiled, with regards to MMA and Crank supposedly acting up. It's not hard to imagine that other teams' players felt jealous or spiteful, plus the SlayerS players could have done their share of BM back, some harmless and some less so, but up til now, Jessica has been the only one collecting evidence, which seems to be her MO. That jealousy and resulting BM towards SlayerS isn't necessarily connected with the practice ban. It's completely plausible that eSF began this practice ban and then realized a lot of their players already felt some resentment against SlayerS players and then revoked the ban later. However, that wouldn't necessarily stop some players from still practicing the ban for months afterward. There are so many possibilities as to how it could have played out. At least, whether his hand was forced or not, Coach Won of Startale is taking some responsibility for how his team may have behaved. Jessica has scarce taken any responsibility for her or her players' actions, and instead turned that into another battle. She has largely said, "poor Boxer, look what they've done to him," and whether true or not, people have bought it. There isn't even any mention of age or injury as to other reasons Boxer may have lost drive. Maybe MMA did something bad and it was the straw that broke the camel's back, yet he and Crank take all the blame because of Jessica's story. That's hardly fair. As to Boxer, his silence isn't necessarily acceptance of whatever Jessica does. How should Boxer find fault with someone who is defending him? That might make her really mad and think he's ungrateful, too. This is, imo, more Jessica's battle than it is Boxer's, even if she really thinks she's doing it for him. It's possible he's just waiting for the situation to die down. His word carries a lot of weight--too much for those who will respond with hate if he places blame, and he probably recognizes that danger. wow you really are trying to make jessica look bad. its already confirmed by mc, by ace by the disclosed e-mail from coach won that the practice ban existed and it is clear that esf wanted slayers to join them (the disclosed e/mail says "practice ban is lifted. come join us.".
So you really think the coaches told their players to bully, too? It's far more likely that those sorts of things arose naturally, yet none of that has anything to do with making Jessica look bad.
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On October 19 2012 18:26 Douillos wrote:Man these guys always have elegance. Recognise your bad moves, and step down. If only we had more of this in Politics
The reason for this is quite obvious. Being in power you will always make some bad moves and ppl that recognise there bad moves and steps down will no longer be in politics. So the ones that are left are the one that are lying and ambitious.
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On October 20 2012 00:51 Mo0Rauder wrote:
How does a team lose all their sponsors after winning Team League? How exactly iss random manager "J" responsible for losing the teams sponsors, when Jessica was the person running/in ownership of the team?
A lot of people come off as if this is "boxer's team" Boxer accepted a job with SKT1 and never "owned" Slayers. Sure, it had his name in the title, and he was a player on the team, but he also has close ties with SKT. Who can say if he would or would not have gone to SKT1 even if all this drama never took place, perhaps he would have been the one jumping ship to join SKT1 regardless of drama?
I'm not making statements, such as "slayers vs kespa" or "jessica is guilty/innocent"
I'm just asking questions, something a lot more people need to do in this thread. We don't know all the information, so either wait for it, or be aware that you might be spouting a fountain of shit.
I will miss SlayerS, good luck to the players.
well its actually very easy, if jessica did indeed allow manager J to handle all foreign sponsorship like she said. here's one scenario where they lose sponsorship easy:
slayers wins team league, manager J thinks 'oh this is a great time to ask for more money from the sponsors', but the sponsors refuse to put more money and sponsorship is lost. and manager j just turns around and tells jessica 'oh they dont want to continue their sponsorship anymore, sorry'
theres many different ways u can lose a sponsor. but i dont know why there seems to be no communication between the sponsors and jessica, like if manager j was asking for too much or asking for stupid deals, i think the sponsors would just go over him and contact jessica directly.
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