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On October 21 2012 03:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Heh, I love the whole "oh CranK and MMA have no problems with the foreign scene" and then a bunch of foreigners come out calling CranK a liar.
Yeah, they have problems and people are going to keep on believing every word that comes out of Jessicas mouth (which is a 180 from how people have perceived her in the past) until someone else speaks up.
Statement from Axiom will be released Sunday night Korean time in English. Expect in-depth Korean articles on the subject at that time.
Looking forward to it, I don't to dislike crank and mma as much as i do atm.
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On October 21 2012 03:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Heh, I love the whole "oh CranK and MMA have no problems with the foreign scene" and then a bunch of foreigners come out calling CranK a liar.
Yeah, they have problems and people are going to keep on believing every word that comes out of Jessicas mouth (which is a 180 from how people have perceived her in the past) until someone else speaks up.
Statement from Axiom will be released Sunday night Korean time in English. Expect in-depth Korean articles on the subject at that time.
Thank you TB! I await something that might make light of the situation.
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On October 21 2012 03:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Heh, I love the whole "oh CranK and MMA have no problems with the foreign scene" and then a bunch of foreigners come out calling CranK a liar.
Yeah, they have problems and people are going to keep on believing every word that comes out of Jessicas mouth (which is a 180 from how people have perceived her in the past) until someone else speaks up.
Statement from Axiom will be released Sunday night Korean time in English. Expect in-depth Korean articles on the subject at that time.
Because people calling Crank a liar are the same who said he has no problems in the foreign scene.
Because people who called Jessica a drama queen doubted the truth from her mouth.
+ Show Spoiler +Also interesting time to release your statement (btw people like to hear Clank's statement, and no Axiom PR bullshit) when it's known that Jessica will only be back in Korea on monday.
"Summary: Jessica going abroad for filming[...], returning on Monday, will reply to any eSF stuff then."
Edit: Nah - forget that last paragraph (now spoilered). I would've done the same. Just to perfect to let the public form it's opinion when no one can answer 
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On October 21 2012 05:01 Shival wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 04:56 Lokian wrote:
I really liked watching the sc2 scene, but now seeing the community become a hate infested riot, and some of my favorite players just tarnished... its really depressing.
First of all, in my own opinion, I think everyone over reacted. Yes, slayers disbanded, but it was because of this over reaction that caused it. With jessica's over reaction to fans and internet haters, singling out kids on the internet and threatening them, it was that kind of reaction that separated her from her team. It was a known issue among everyone. Did she ever lied? That didn't matter, it was her reaction and behavior that is now threatening this scene. Yea, jessica is right, but it wasn't a big deal. Bullying? To not practice with a team is bullying? if slayers joined the federation, they could practice with them. and they didn't so they didnt get practice because of jessica's own pride. Just think again, she forfeited the well being of her own team because her feelings were hurt about ganzi's misunderstanding. anyway why cant an organization have that power to limit practice? There are so many more important questions to be asked, but everyone looks like they're about to throw a pitchfork in someone's face. We've already been over this before. We concluded that it's pretty darn close to being illegal in South Korea under it's Anti-Trust laws. In the European Union for example it would've been illegal for the organization to do such a thing.
How is it illegal for a team to refuse to practice with another team? Sorry, I missed that part.
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On October 21 2012 05:34 toadstool wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 05:01 Shival wrote:On October 21 2012 04:56 Lokian wrote:
I really liked watching the sc2 scene, but now seeing the community become a hate infested riot, and some of my favorite players just tarnished... its really depressing.
First of all, in my own opinion, I think everyone over reacted. Yes, slayers disbanded, but it was because of this over reaction that caused it. With jessica's over reaction to fans and internet haters, singling out kids on the internet and threatening them, it was that kind of reaction that separated her from her team. It was a known issue among everyone. Did she ever lied? That didn't matter, it was her reaction and behavior that is now threatening this scene. Yea, jessica is right, but it wasn't a big deal. Bullying? To not practice with a team is bullying? if slayers joined the federation, they could practice with them. and they didn't so they didnt get practice because of jessica's own pride. Just think again, she forfeited the well being of her own team because her feelings were hurt about ganzi's misunderstanding. anyway why cant an organization have that power to limit practice? There are so many more important questions to be asked, but everyone looks like they're about to throw a pitchfork in someone's face. We've already been over this before. We concluded that it's pretty darn close to being illegal in South Korea under it's Anti-Trust laws. In the European Union for example it would've been illegal for the organization to do such a thing. How is it illegal for a team to refuse to practice with another team? Sorry, I missed that part.
They're both competing in the same competition, as eSF has a majority of the teams in their fold they have a monopoly/cartel. As soon as they abuse that monopoly through decisions against teams not in their asociation, especially so if they are meant to punish or push out the competition, they are on the wrong side of law.
In short, it's not wrong to have a monopoly, it's wrong to abuse that monopoly against competitors.
Edit: I don't know whether this law has ever been used in sports, but in theory it is possible. Atleast in Europe it is.
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On October 21 2012 05:44 Shival wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 05:34 toadstool wrote:On October 21 2012 05:01 Shival wrote:On October 21 2012 04:56 Lokian wrote:
I really liked watching the sc2 scene, but now seeing the community become a hate infested riot, and some of my favorite players just tarnished... its really depressing.
First of all, in my own opinion, I think everyone over reacted. Yes, slayers disbanded, but it was because of this over reaction that caused it. With jessica's over reaction to fans and internet haters, singling out kids on the internet and threatening them, it was that kind of reaction that separated her from her team. It was a known issue among everyone. Did she ever lied? That didn't matter, it was her reaction and behavior that is now threatening this scene. Yea, jessica is right, but it wasn't a big deal. Bullying? To not practice with a team is bullying? if slayers joined the federation, they could practice with them. and they didn't so they didnt get practice because of jessica's own pride. Just think again, she forfeited the well being of her own team because her feelings were hurt about ganzi's misunderstanding. anyway why cant an organization have that power to limit practice? There are so many more important questions to be asked, but everyone looks like they're about to throw a pitchfork in someone's face. We've already been over this before. We concluded that it's pretty darn close to being illegal in South Korea under it's Anti-Trust laws. In the European Union for example it would've been illegal for the organization to do such a thing. How is it illegal for a team to refuse to practice with another team? Sorry, I missed that part. They're both competing in the same competition, as eSF has a majority of the teams in their fold they have a monopoly/cartel. As soon as they abuse that monopoly through decisions against teams not in their asociation, especially so if they are meant to punish or push out the competition, they are on the wrong side of law. In short, it's not wrong to have a monopoly, it's wrong to abuse that monopoly against competitors. Edit: I don't know whether this law has ever been used in sports, but in theory it is possible. Atleast in Europe it is.
Art. 101 aeuv says "undertakings" cant make agreements to distort competitions. Undertakings dont need to be legal entiies necessarily
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On October 21 2012 05:44 Shival wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 05:34 toadstool wrote:On October 21 2012 05:01 Shival wrote:On October 21 2012 04:56 Lokian wrote:
I really liked watching the sc2 scene, but now seeing the community become a hate infested riot, and some of my favorite players just tarnished... its really depressing.
First of all, in my own opinion, I think everyone over reacted. Yes, slayers disbanded, but it was because of this over reaction that caused it. With jessica's over reaction to fans and internet haters, singling out kids on the internet and threatening them, it was that kind of reaction that separated her from her team. It was a known issue among everyone. Did she ever lied? That didn't matter, it was her reaction and behavior that is now threatening this scene. Yea, jessica is right, but it wasn't a big deal. Bullying? To not practice with a team is bullying? if slayers joined the federation, they could practice with them. and they didn't so they didnt get practice because of jessica's own pride. Just think again, she forfeited the well being of her own team because her feelings were hurt about ganzi's misunderstanding. anyway why cant an organization have that power to limit practice? There are so many more important questions to be asked, but everyone looks like they're about to throw a pitchfork in someone's face. We've already been over this before. We concluded that it's pretty darn close to being illegal in South Korea under it's Anti-Trust laws. In the European Union for example it would've been illegal for the organization to do such a thing. How is it illegal for a team to refuse to practice with another team? Sorry, I missed that part. They're both competing in the same competition, as eSF has a majority of the teams in their fold they have a monopoly/cartel. As soon as they abuse that monopoly through decisions against teams not in their asociation, especially so if they are meant to punish or push out the competition, they are on the wrong side of law. In short, it's not wrong to have a monopoly, it's wrong to abuse that monopoly against competitors. Edit: I don't know whether this law has ever been used in sports, but in theory it is possible. Atleast in Europe it is.
Why is it everyone thinks their countries laws are global? Hint: South Korea has it's own laws......
Either way, too bad Jessica decided to go off the handle, this is all so silly to do when the team dies. Like saying "later, oh yeah here's a drama bomb."
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On October 21 2012 06:11 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 05:44 Shival wrote:On October 21 2012 05:34 toadstool wrote:On October 21 2012 05:01 Shival wrote:On October 21 2012 04:56 Lokian wrote:
I really liked watching the sc2 scene, but now seeing the community become a hate infested riot, and some of my favorite players just tarnished... its really depressing.
First of all, in my own opinion, I think everyone over reacted. Yes, slayers disbanded, but it was because of this over reaction that caused it. With jessica's over reaction to fans and internet haters, singling out kids on the internet and threatening them, it was that kind of reaction that separated her from her team. It was a known issue among everyone. Did she ever lied? That didn't matter, it was her reaction and behavior that is now threatening this scene. Yea, jessica is right, but it wasn't a big deal. Bullying? To not practice with a team is bullying? if slayers joined the federation, they could practice with them. and they didn't so they didnt get practice because of jessica's own pride. Just think again, she forfeited the well being of her own team because her feelings were hurt about ganzi's misunderstanding. anyway why cant an organization have that power to limit practice? There are so many more important questions to be asked, but everyone looks like they're about to throw a pitchfork in someone's face. We've already been over this before. We concluded that it's pretty darn close to being illegal in South Korea under it's Anti-Trust laws. In the European Union for example it would've been illegal for the organization to do such a thing. How is it illegal for a team to refuse to practice with another team? Sorry, I missed that part. They're both competing in the same competition, as eSF has a majority of the teams in their fold they have a monopoly/cartel. As soon as they abuse that monopoly through decisions against teams not in their asociation, especially so if they are meant to punish or push out the competition, they are on the wrong side of law. In short, it's not wrong to have a monopoly, it's wrong to abuse that monopoly against competitors. Edit: I don't know whether this law has ever been used in sports, but in theory it is possible. Atleast in Europe it is. Why is it everyone thinks their countries laws are global? Hint: South Korea has it's own laws...... Either way, too bad Jessica decided to go off the handle, this is all so silly to do when the team dies. Like saying "later, oh yeah here's a drama bomb."
yes and he mentioned that according to korean law against unfair competition its probably not illegal because Art. 19 of said code has a catalogue of cases which is interpreted as conclusive.
in the european union (Art. 101 of the treaty on functioning of the european union) you have a broad wording :: "The following shall be prohibited as incompatible with the internal market: all agreements between undertakings, decisions by associations of undertakings and concerted practices which may affect trade between Member States and which have as their object or effect the prevention, restriction or distortion of competition within the internal market"
There is a catalogue of cases but that one begins with "and in particular those which:" which means the cases are not conclusive and cases like this might be seen as distortion of competition.
also in case of antitrust law application outside of territoriality is possible if there is effect on each market (especially EU and US do this)
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On October 21 2012 06:11 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 05:44 Shival wrote:On October 21 2012 05:34 toadstool wrote:On October 21 2012 05:01 Shival wrote:On October 21 2012 04:56 Lokian wrote:
I really liked watching the sc2 scene, but now seeing the community become a hate infested riot, and some of my favorite players just tarnished... its really depressing.
First of all, in my own opinion, I think everyone over reacted. Yes, slayers disbanded, but it was because of this over reaction that caused it. With jessica's over reaction to fans and internet haters, singling out kids on the internet and threatening them, it was that kind of reaction that separated her from her team. It was a known issue among everyone. Did she ever lied? That didn't matter, it was her reaction and behavior that is now threatening this scene. Yea, jessica is right, but it wasn't a big deal. Bullying? To not practice with a team is bullying? if slayers joined the federation, they could practice with them. and they didn't so they didnt get practice because of jessica's own pride. Just think again, she forfeited the well being of her own team because her feelings were hurt about ganzi's misunderstanding. anyway why cant an organization have that power to limit practice? There are so many more important questions to be asked, but everyone looks like they're about to throw a pitchfork in someone's face. We've already been over this before. We concluded that it's pretty darn close to being illegal in South Korea under it's Anti-Trust laws. In the European Union for example it would've been illegal for the organization to do such a thing. How is it illegal for a team to refuse to practice with another team? Sorry, I missed that part. They're both competing in the same competition, as eSF has a majority of the teams in their fold they have a monopoly/cartel. As soon as they abuse that monopoly through decisions against teams not in their asociation, especially so if they are meant to punish or push out the competition, they are on the wrong side of law. In short, it's not wrong to have a monopoly, it's wrong to abuse that monopoly against competitors. Edit: I don't know whether this law has ever been used in sports, but in theory it is possible. Atleast in Europe it is. Why is it everyone thinks their countries laws are global? Hint: South Korea has it's own laws...... Either way, too bad Jessica decided to go off the handle, this is all so silly to do when the team dies. Like saying "later, oh yeah here's a drama bomb."
Thanks, but that's not the way I think. Maybe you shouldn't presume?
I've been discussing this thought with farnham earlier, who looked it up in the korean law. Which if you would've taken the time to look it up, shows that it may be illegal in Korea but it's quite a mess of a law to use in this situation.
Thanks for explaining it better than I could farnham.
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So we're waiting for a statement that's going to be heavily edited, strategized, and pored over by managers and friends over 3 days? There were multiple correspondences taking place within hours when this blew up, from players, coaches and Jessica herself. This just makes it feel like a PR release to divert blame that takes 3 days to come up with. I guess they need a strategized way to attack Jessica's arguments because of Boxer's backing, but anything short of complete transparency by translating words straight from Crank/MMA makes this feel insincere or twisted. I'm sure the real Crank/MMA fans would be neutral enough to form an unbiased opinion. I hope axiom trusts the overall community enough to allow this. Maybe a video interview?
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On October 21 2012 06:24 Kokujin wrote:
So we're waiting for a statement that's going to be heavily edited, strategized, and pored over by managers and friends over 3 days? There were multiple correspondences taking place within hours when this blew up, from players, coaches and Jessica herself. This just makes it feel like a PR release to divert blame that takes 3 days to come up with. I guess they need a strategized way to attack Jessica's arguments because of Boxer's backing, but anything short of complete transparency by translating words straight from Crank/MMA makes this feel insincere or twisted. I'm sure the real Crank/MMA fans would be neutral enough to form an unbiased opinion. I hope axiom trusts the overall community enough to allow this. Maybe a video interview?
I hope you don't think that Jessica didn't take time to plan this out and prepare statements ahead of time? She was the one to launch this shit storm, so obviously she has the advantage when it comes to preparation. The fair thing to do would be to let the other side prepare a statement and give them time to collect evidence in their favor.
I said it already, I'll say it again: if a team goes down like this, the person to blame the most is the leader/manager, no matter the reason, as it is the leader's responsibility to keep his house clean. That is the whole purpose of this role and to say it bluntly: no matter if it's all true what she says, she still proved that she was an attrocious manager.
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On October 21 2012 06:30 ACrow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 06:24 Kokujin wrote:
So we're waiting for a statement that's going to be heavily edited, strategized, and pored over by managers and friends over 3 days? There were multiple correspondences taking place within hours when this blew up, from players, coaches and Jessica herself. This just makes it feel like a PR release to divert blame that takes 3 days to come up with. I guess they need a strategized way to attack Jessica's arguments because of Boxer's backing, but anything short of complete transparency by translating words straight from Crank/MMA makes this feel insincere or twisted. I'm sure the real Crank/MMA fans would be neutral enough to form an unbiased opinion. I hope axiom trusts the overall community enough to allow this. Maybe a video interview? I hope you don't think that Jessica didn't take time to plan this out and prepare statements ahead of time? She was the one to launch this shit storm, so obviously she has the advantage when it comes to preparation. I said it already, I'll say it again: if a team goes down like this, the person to blame the most is the leader/manager, no matter the reason, as it is the leader's responsibility to keep his house clean. That is the whole purpose of this role and to say it bluntly: no matter if it's all true what she says, she still proved that she was an attrocious manager.
I still cant believe people are saying this
slayers is one of the most successful teams out here
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On October 21 2012 06:32 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 06:30 ACrow wrote:On October 21 2012 06:24 Kokujin wrote:
So we're waiting for a statement that's going to be heavily edited, strategized, and pored over by managers and friends over 3 days? There were multiple correspondences taking place within hours when this blew up, from players, coaches and Jessica herself. This just makes it feel like a PR release to divert blame that takes 3 days to come up with. I guess they need a strategized way to attack Jessica's arguments because of Boxer's backing, but anything short of complete transparency by translating words straight from Crank/MMA makes this feel insincere or twisted. I'm sure the real Crank/MMA fans would be neutral enough to form an unbiased opinion. I hope axiom trusts the overall community enough to allow this. Maybe a video interview? I hope you don't think that Jessica didn't take time to plan this out and prepare statements ahead of time? She was the one to launch this shit storm, so obviously she has the advantage when it comes to preparation. I said it already, I'll say it again: if a team goes down like this, the person to blame the most is the leader/manager, no matter the reason, as it is the leader's responsibility to keep his house clean. That is the whole purpose of this role and to say it bluntly: no matter if it's all true what she says, she still proved that she was an attrocious manager. I still cant believe people are saying this slayers is one of the most successful teams out here
slayers WAS one of the most successful teams out here
The bolded part is why she sucks at managing a team.
Oh and the reason why SlayerS was successful is because they had Boxer, Cella and Ryu as coaches, that did a pretty amazing job according to many sources, and they attracted a lot of talent when they were the richest team in the begining, combined with the presence of the emperor himself. The manager is supposed to keep a team running smoothly: provide enough pay, make sure there is an atmosphere the employees can thrive in and eliminate any problems of any kind before they can turn into a serious issue. To me as an outsider it seems that the success of SlayerS had nothing to do with Jessica, but with the coaches+Boxer, and to avert the downfall of the team would have been her responsibility (even if meant kicking out the players that caused problems, or discussing it more thoroughly, involve the public a bit earlier, don't make false public statements (we were lied to when the SlayerS management told us about supposed sickness of Coca and Puzzle), just be a damn people leader for crying out loud).
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On October 21 2012 06:30 ACrow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 06:24 Kokujin wrote:
So we're waiting for a statement that's going to be heavily edited, strategized, and pored over by managers and friends over 3 days? There were multiple correspondences taking place within hours when this blew up, from players, coaches and Jessica herself. This just makes it feel like a PR release to divert blame that takes 3 days to come up with. I guess they need a strategized way to attack Jessica's arguments because of Boxer's backing, but anything short of complete transparency by translating words straight from Crank/MMA makes this feel insincere or twisted. I'm sure the real Crank/MMA fans would be neutral enough to form an unbiased opinion. I hope axiom trusts the overall community enough to allow this. Maybe a video interview? I hope you don't think that Jessica didn't take time to plan this out and prepare statements ahead of time? She was the one to launch this shit storm, so obviously she has the advantage when it comes to preparation. The fair thing to do would be to let the other side prepare a statement and give them time to collect evidence in their favor. I said it already, I'll say it again: if a team goes down like this, the person to blame the most is the leader/manager, no matter the reason, as it is the leader's responsibility to keep his house clean. That is the whole purpose of this role and to say it bluntly: no matter if it's all true what she says, she still proved that she was an attrocious manager.
No matter how strong a leader, one person cannot fight against the current.
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On October 21 2012 06:34 ACrow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 06:32 farnham wrote:On October 21 2012 06:30 ACrow wrote:On October 21 2012 06:24 Kokujin wrote:
So we're waiting for a statement that's going to be heavily edited, strategized, and pored over by managers and friends over 3 days? There were multiple correspondences taking place within hours when this blew up, from players, coaches and Jessica herself. This just makes it feel like a PR release to divert blame that takes 3 days to come up with. I guess they need a strategized way to attack Jessica's arguments because of Boxer's backing, but anything short of complete transparency by translating words straight from Crank/MMA makes this feel insincere or twisted. I'm sure the real Crank/MMA fans would be neutral enough to form an unbiased opinion. I hope axiom trusts the overall community enough to allow this. Maybe a video interview? I hope you don't think that Jessica didn't take time to plan this out and prepare statements ahead of time? She was the one to launch this shit storm, so obviously she has the advantage when it comes to preparation. I said it already, I'll say it again: if a team goes down like this, the person to blame the most is the leader/manager, no matter the reason, as it is the leader's responsibility to keep his house clean. That is the whole purpose of this role and to say it bluntly: no matter if it's all true what she says, she still proved that she was an attrocious manager. I still cant believe people are saying this slayers is one of the most successful teams out here slayers WAS one of the most successful teams out here The bolded part is why she sucks at managing a team. you talk like she bought the team and managed it to the ground
she founded the team dude she was there from day one with boxer
also they were not doing all that badly resultswise (they were runner up at gstl last season)
she quitting and boxer going to T1 has more to do with the practice ban which made it hard for the whole team and some of the players backing from them as soon as the team faced some hardships.
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Canada16217 Posts
On October 21 2012 06:32 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 06:30 ACrow wrote:On October 21 2012 06:24 Kokujin wrote:
So we're waiting for a statement that's going to be heavily edited, strategized, and pored over by managers and friends over 3 days? There were multiple correspondences taking place within hours when this blew up, from players, coaches and Jessica herself. This just makes it feel like a PR release to divert blame that takes 3 days to come up with. I guess they need a strategized way to attack Jessica's arguments because of Boxer's backing, but anything short of complete transparency by translating words straight from Crank/MMA makes this feel insincere or twisted. I'm sure the real Crank/MMA fans would be neutral enough to form an unbiased opinion. I hope axiom trusts the overall community enough to allow this. Maybe a video interview? I hope you don't think that Jessica didn't take time to plan this out and prepare statements ahead of time? She was the one to launch this shit storm, so obviously she has the advantage when it comes to preparation. I said it already, I'll say it again: if a team goes down like this, the person to blame the most is the leader/manager, no matter the reason, as it is the leader's responsibility to keep his house clean. That is the whole purpose of this role and to say it bluntly: no matter if it's all true what she says, she still proved that she was an attrocious manager. I still cant believe people are saying this slayers is one of the most successful teams out here
They were so successful that they disbanded, right?
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On October 21 2012 06:34 ACrow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 06:32 farnham wrote:On October 21 2012 06:30 ACrow wrote:On October 21 2012 06:24 Kokujin wrote:
So we're waiting for a statement that's going to be heavily edited, strategized, and pored over by managers and friends over 3 days? There were multiple correspondences taking place within hours when this blew up, from players, coaches and Jessica herself. This just makes it feel like a PR release to divert blame that takes 3 days to come up with. I guess they need a strategized way to attack Jessica's arguments because of Boxer's backing, but anything short of complete transparency by translating words straight from Crank/MMA makes this feel insincere or twisted. I'm sure the real Crank/MMA fans would be neutral enough to form an unbiased opinion. I hope axiom trusts the overall community enough to allow this. Maybe a video interview? I hope you don't think that Jessica didn't take time to plan this out and prepare statements ahead of time? She was the one to launch this shit storm, so obviously she has the advantage when it comes to preparation. I said it already, I'll say it again: if a team goes down like this, the person to blame the most is the leader/manager, no matter the reason, as it is the leader's responsibility to keep his house clean. That is the whole purpose of this role and to say it bluntly: no matter if it's all true what she says, she still proved that she was an attrocious manager. I still cant believe people are saying this slayers is one of the most successful teams out here slayers WAS one of the most successful teams out here The bolded part is why she sucks at managing a team. Oh and the reason why SlayerS was successful is because they had Boxer, Cella and Ryu as coaches, that did a pretty amazing job according to many sources, and they attracted a lot of talent when they were the richest team in the begining, combined with the presence of the emperor himself. The manager is supposed to keep a team running smoothly: provide enough pay, make sure there is an atmosphere the employees can thrive in and eliminate any problems of any kind before they can turn into a serious issue. To me as an outsider it seems that the success of SlayerS had nothing to do with Jessica, but with the coaches+Boxer, and to avert the downfall of the team would have been her responsibility (even if meant kicking out the players that caused problems, or discussing it more thoroughly, involve the public a bit earlier, don't make false public statements (we were lied to when the SlayerS management told us about supposed sickness of Coca and Puzzle), just be a damn people leader for crying out loud).
and why do you think was that?
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On October 21 2012 06:42 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 06:32 farnham wrote:On October 21 2012 06:30 ACrow wrote:On October 21 2012 06:24 Kokujin wrote:
So we're waiting for a statement that's going to be heavily edited, strategized, and pored over by managers and friends over 3 days? There were multiple correspondences taking place within hours when this blew up, from players, coaches and Jessica herself. This just makes it feel like a PR release to divert blame that takes 3 days to come up with. I guess they need a strategized way to attack Jessica's arguments because of Boxer's backing, but anything short of complete transparency by translating words straight from Crank/MMA makes this feel insincere or twisted. I'm sure the real Crank/MMA fans would be neutral enough to form an unbiased opinion. I hope axiom trusts the overall community enough to allow this. Maybe a video interview? I hope you don't think that Jessica didn't take time to plan this out and prepare statements ahead of time? She was the one to launch this shit storm, so obviously she has the advantage when it comes to preparation. I said it already, I'll say it again: if a team goes down like this, the person to blame the most is the leader/manager, no matter the reason, as it is the leader's responsibility to keep his house clean. That is the whole purpose of this role and to say it bluntly: no matter if it's all true what she says, she still proved that she was an attrocious manager. I still cant believe people are saying this slayers is one of the most successful teams out here They were so successful that they disbanded, right?
if i look at the situation it is not due to their results or funding but rather because both jessica and boxer were fed up with it due to the practice ban of the other teams and their own players turning against them
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On October 21 2012 06:42 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 06:34 ACrow wrote:On October 21 2012 06:32 farnham wrote:On October 21 2012 06:30 ACrow wrote:On October 21 2012 06:24 Kokujin wrote:
So we're waiting for a statement that's going to be heavily edited, strategized, and pored over by managers and friends over 3 days? There were multiple correspondences taking place within hours when this blew up, from players, coaches and Jessica herself. This just makes it feel like a PR release to divert blame that takes 3 days to come up with. I guess they need a strategized way to attack Jessica's arguments because of Boxer's backing, but anything short of complete transparency by translating words straight from Crank/MMA makes this feel insincere or twisted. I'm sure the real Crank/MMA fans would be neutral enough to form an unbiased opinion. I hope axiom trusts the overall community enough to allow this. Maybe a video interview? I hope you don't think that Jessica didn't take time to plan this out and prepare statements ahead of time? She was the one to launch this shit storm, so obviously she has the advantage when it comes to preparation. I said it already, I'll say it again: if a team goes down like this, the person to blame the most is the leader/manager, no matter the reason, as it is the leader's responsibility to keep his house clean. That is the whole purpose of this role and to say it bluntly: no matter if it's all true what she says, she still proved that she was an attrocious manager. I still cant believe people are saying this slayers is one of the most successful teams out here slayers WAS one of the most successful teams out here The bolded part is why she sucks at managing a team. Oh and the reason why SlayerS was successful is because they had Boxer, Cella and Ryu as coaches, that did a pretty amazing job according to many sources, and they attracted a lot of talent when they were the richest team in the begining, combined with the presence of the emperor himself. The manager is supposed to keep a team running smoothly: provide enough pay, make sure there is an atmosphere the employees can thrive in and eliminate any problems of any kind before they can turn into a serious issue. To me as an outsider it seems that the success of SlayerS had nothing to do with Jessica, but with the coaches+Boxer, and to avert the downfall of the team would have been her responsibility (even if meant kicking out the players that caused problems, or discussing it more thoroughly, involve the public a bit earlier, don't make false public statements (we were lied to when the SlayerS management told us about supposed sickness of Coca and Puzzle), just be a damn people leader for crying out loud). and why do you think was that?
If I understand correctly, because she and Boxer were passionate and bold enough to invest into the team, which is great and admirable. She is still a horrible manager - being passionate and being a good manager may go hand in hand, but, alas, here this seems not to be the case.
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Has Jessica ever done anything in any of her film stuff or anything before sc2 that made people hate her? I'm curious as i remember back when there was the Boxer documentary when he first switched whic had stuff about fans mailing boxer begging him no to be with her.
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