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On October 21 2012 06:48 ACrow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 06:42 farnham wrote:On October 21 2012 06:34 ACrow wrote:On October 21 2012 06:32 farnham wrote:On October 21 2012 06:30 ACrow wrote:On October 21 2012 06:24 Kokujin wrote:
So we're waiting for a statement that's going to be heavily edited, strategized, and pored over by managers and friends over 3 days? There were multiple correspondences taking place within hours when this blew up, from players, coaches and Jessica herself. This just makes it feel like a PR release to divert blame that takes 3 days to come up with. I guess they need a strategized way to attack Jessica's arguments because of Boxer's backing, but anything short of complete transparency by translating words straight from Crank/MMA makes this feel insincere or twisted. I'm sure the real Crank/MMA fans would be neutral enough to form an unbiased opinion. I hope axiom trusts the overall community enough to allow this. Maybe a video interview? I hope you don't think that Jessica didn't take time to plan this out and prepare statements ahead of time? She was the one to launch this shit storm, so obviously she has the advantage when it comes to preparation. I said it already, I'll say it again: if a team goes down like this, the person to blame the most is the leader/manager, no matter the reason, as it is the leader's responsibility to keep his house clean. That is the whole purpose of this role and to say it bluntly: no matter if it's all true what she says, she still proved that she was an attrocious manager. I still cant believe people are saying this slayers is one of the most successful teams out here slayers WAS one of the most successful teams out here The bolded part is why she sucks at managing a team. Oh and the reason why SlayerS was successful is because they had Boxer, Cella and Ryu as coaches, that did a pretty amazing job according to many sources, and they attracted a lot of talent when they were the richest team in the begining, combined with the presence of the emperor himself. The manager is supposed to keep a team running smoothly: provide enough pay, make sure there is an atmosphere the employees can thrive in and eliminate any problems of any kind before they can turn into a serious issue. To me as an outsider it seems that the success of SlayerS had nothing to do with Jessica, but with the coaches+Boxer, and to avert the downfall of the team would have been her responsibility (even if meant kicking out the players that caused problems, or discussing it more thoroughly, involve the public a bit earlier, don't make false public statements (we were lied to when the SlayerS management told us about supposed sickness of Coca and Puzzle), just be a damn people leader for crying out loud). and why do you think was that? If I understand correctly, because she and Boxer were passionate and bold enough to invest into the team, which is great and admirable. She is still a horrible manager - being passionate and being a good manager may go hand in hand, but, alas, here this seems not to be the case.
so you are saying that she contributed nothing to the team when the team got successful but when it went bad she has to take all the blame?
wtf
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On October 21 2012 06:48 ACrow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 06:42 farnham wrote:On October 21 2012 06:34 ACrow wrote:On October 21 2012 06:32 farnham wrote:On October 21 2012 06:30 ACrow wrote:On October 21 2012 06:24 Kokujin wrote:
So we're waiting for a statement that's going to be heavily edited, strategized, and pored over by managers and friends over 3 days? There were multiple correspondences taking place within hours when this blew up, from players, coaches and Jessica herself. This just makes it feel like a PR release to divert blame that takes 3 days to come up with. I guess they need a strategized way to attack Jessica's arguments because of Boxer's backing, but anything short of complete transparency by translating words straight from Crank/MMA makes this feel insincere or twisted. I'm sure the real Crank/MMA fans would be neutral enough to form an unbiased opinion. I hope axiom trusts the overall community enough to allow this. Maybe a video interview? I hope you don't think that Jessica didn't take time to plan this out and prepare statements ahead of time? She was the one to launch this shit storm, so obviously she has the advantage when it comes to preparation. I said it already, I'll say it again: if a team goes down like this, the person to blame the most is the leader/manager, no matter the reason, as it is the leader's responsibility to keep his house clean. That is the whole purpose of this role and to say it bluntly: no matter if it's all true what she says, she still proved that she was an attrocious manager. I still cant believe people are saying this slayers is one of the most successful teams out here slayers WAS one of the most successful teams out here The bolded part is why she sucks at managing a team. Oh and the reason why SlayerS was successful is because they had Boxer, Cella and Ryu as coaches, that did a pretty amazing job according to many sources, and they attracted a lot of talent when they were the richest team in the begining, combined with the presence of the emperor himself. The manager is supposed to keep a team running smoothly: provide enough pay, make sure there is an atmosphere the employees can thrive in and eliminate any problems of any kind before they can turn into a serious issue. To me as an outsider it seems that the success of SlayerS had nothing to do with Jessica, but with the coaches+Boxer, and to avert the downfall of the team would have been her responsibility (even if meant kicking out the players that caused problems, or discussing it more thoroughly, involve the public a bit earlier, don't make false public statements (we were lied to when the SlayerS management told us about supposed sickness of Coca and Puzzle), just be a damn people leader for crying out loud). and why do you think was that? If I understand correctly, because she and Boxer were passionate and bold enough to invest into the team, which is great and admirable. She is still a horrible manager - being passionate and being a good manager may go hand in hand, but, alas, here this seems not to be the case.
So through all their success including the gstl championship was just her being a terrible manager right?
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On October 21 2012 06:49 shark. wrote:
Has Jessica ever done anything in any of her film stuff or anything before sc2 that made people hate her? I'm curious as i remember back when there was the Boxer documentary when he first switched whic had stuff about fans mailing boxer begging him no to be with her.
she is like 10 years older than boxer... which some people cant handle
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The thing that makes me believe Jessica is that, according to IdrA who trained some time at the Slayers House, slayers was quite a relaxed team in comparaison to the time he spent in other teams during his SC1 carreer. So, saying slayers was like "slavery" feel like a lie.
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On October 21 2012 06:49 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 06:48 ACrow wrote:On October 21 2012 06:42 farnham wrote:On October 21 2012 06:34 ACrow wrote:On October 21 2012 06:32 farnham wrote:On October 21 2012 06:30 ACrow wrote:On October 21 2012 06:24 Kokujin wrote:
So we're waiting for a statement that's going to be heavily edited, strategized, and pored over by managers and friends over 3 days? There were multiple correspondences taking place within hours when this blew up, from players, coaches and Jessica herself. This just makes it feel like a PR release to divert blame that takes 3 days to come up with. I guess they need a strategized way to attack Jessica's arguments because of Boxer's backing, but anything short of complete transparency by translating words straight from Crank/MMA makes this feel insincere or twisted. I'm sure the real Crank/MMA fans would be neutral enough to form an unbiased opinion. I hope axiom trusts the overall community enough to allow this. Maybe a video interview? I hope you don't think that Jessica didn't take time to plan this out and prepare statements ahead of time? She was the one to launch this shit storm, so obviously she has the advantage when it comes to preparation. I said it already, I'll say it again: if a team goes down like this, the person to blame the most is the leader/manager, no matter the reason, as it is the leader's responsibility to keep his house clean. That is the whole purpose of this role and to say it bluntly: no matter if it's all true what she says, she still proved that she was an attrocious manager. I still cant believe people are saying this slayers is one of the most successful teams out here slayers WAS one of the most successful teams out here The bolded part is why she sucks at managing a team. Oh and the reason why SlayerS was successful is because they had Boxer, Cella and Ryu as coaches, that did a pretty amazing job according to many sources, and they attracted a lot of talent when they were the richest team in the begining, combined with the presence of the emperor himself. The manager is supposed to keep a team running smoothly: provide enough pay, make sure there is an atmosphere the employees can thrive in and eliminate any problems of any kind before they can turn into a serious issue. To me as an outsider it seems that the success of SlayerS had nothing to do with Jessica, but with the coaches+Boxer, and to avert the downfall of the team would have been her responsibility (even if meant kicking out the players that caused problems, or discussing it more thoroughly, involve the public a bit earlier, don't make false public statements (we were lied to when the SlayerS management told us about supposed sickness of Coca and Puzzle), just be a damn people leader for crying out loud). and why do you think was that? If I understand correctly, because she and Boxer were passionate and bold enough to invest into the team, which is great and admirable. She is still a horrible manager - being passionate and being a good manager may go hand in hand, but, alas, here this seems not to be the case. so you are saying that she contributed nothing to the team when the team got successful but when it went bad she has to take all the blame? wtf
Look, you seem to be invested into this person, that's fine. I'm just saying that I, personally, won't take a word she says as granted, I'll hear the other side out. There probably are other persons to blame as well, but blaming people never got anything done in this world. It would have been her responsibility to avoid all of this, even if she didn't cause it. Instead she seems to act like the Spanish Inquisition.
And yes, she contributed money to the team, which is great and so you could say that helped them become big, the same way the other sponsors (I believe Intel?) contributed to the success , but has nothing to do with being a manager per se.
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On October 21 2012 06:58 ACrow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 06:49 farnham wrote:On October 21 2012 06:48 ACrow wrote:On October 21 2012 06:42 farnham wrote:On October 21 2012 06:34 ACrow wrote:On October 21 2012 06:32 farnham wrote:On October 21 2012 06:30 ACrow wrote:On October 21 2012 06:24 Kokujin wrote:
So we're waiting for a statement that's going to be heavily edited, strategized, and pored over by managers and friends over 3 days? There were multiple correspondences taking place within hours when this blew up, from players, coaches and Jessica herself. This just makes it feel like a PR release to divert blame that takes 3 days to come up with. I guess they need a strategized way to attack Jessica's arguments because of Boxer's backing, but anything short of complete transparency by translating words straight from Crank/MMA makes this feel insincere or twisted. I'm sure the real Crank/MMA fans would be neutral enough to form an unbiased opinion. I hope axiom trusts the overall community enough to allow this. Maybe a video interview? I hope you don't think that Jessica didn't take time to plan this out and prepare statements ahead of time? She was the one to launch this shit storm, so obviously she has the advantage when it comes to preparation. I said it already, I'll say it again: if a team goes down like this, the person to blame the most is the leader/manager, no matter the reason, as it is the leader's responsibility to keep his house clean. That is the whole purpose of this role and to say it bluntly: no matter if it's all true what she says, she still proved that she was an attrocious manager. I still cant believe people are saying this slayers is one of the most successful teams out here slayers WAS one of the most successful teams out here The bolded part is why she sucks at managing a team. Oh and the reason why SlayerS was successful is because they had Boxer, Cella and Ryu as coaches, that did a pretty amazing job according to many sources, and they attracted a lot of talent when they were the richest team in the begining, combined with the presence of the emperor himself. The manager is supposed to keep a team running smoothly: provide enough pay, make sure there is an atmosphere the employees can thrive in and eliminate any problems of any kind before they can turn into a serious issue. To me as an outsider it seems that the success of SlayerS had nothing to do with Jessica, but with the coaches+Boxer, and to avert the downfall of the team would have been her responsibility (even if meant kicking out the players that caused problems, or discussing it more thoroughly, involve the public a bit earlier, don't make false public statements (we were lied to when the SlayerS management told us about supposed sickness of Coca and Puzzle), just be a damn people leader for crying out loud). and why do you think was that? If I understand correctly, because she and Boxer were passionate and bold enough to invest into the team, which is great and admirable. She is still a horrible manager - being passionate and being a good manager may go hand in hand, but, alas, here this seems not to be the case. so you are saying that she contributed nothing to the team when the team got successful but when it went bad she has to take all the blame? wtf Look, you seem to be invested into this person, that's fine. I'm just saying that I, personally, won't take a word she says as granted, I'll hear the other side out. There probably are other persons to blame as well, but blaming people never got anything done in this world. It would have been her responsibility to avoid all of this, even if she didn't cause it. And yes, she contributed money to the team, which is great and so you could say that helped them become big, the same way the other sponsors (I believe Intel?) contributed to the success , but has nothing to do with being a manager per se.
She was more owner than manager though I believe. They had a manger, who apparently fucked everything up.
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People outside of Slayers basically agreed that there was indeed an ambarguo against Slayer from the federation ?
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On October 21 2012 07:01 WhiteDog wrote:
People outside of Slayers basically agreed that there was indeed an ambarguo against Slayer from the federation ?
Yep, they all agree that there was an official embargo. They just argue about whether or not there was an unofficial one after the official embargo's term has ended and how long it lasted.
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On October 21 2012 07:01 WhiteDog wrote:
People outside of Slayers basically agreed that there was indeed an ambarguo against Slayer from the federation ?
Yes, multiple sources confirmed this: FXOBoSS, Tod on SotG, MC, the head of ESF himself (though he claimed it was only for a short duration) and so on.
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On October 21 2012 06:58 ACrow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 06:49 farnham wrote:On October 21 2012 06:48 ACrow wrote:On October 21 2012 06:42 farnham wrote:On October 21 2012 06:34 ACrow wrote:On October 21 2012 06:32 farnham wrote:On October 21 2012 06:30 ACrow wrote:On October 21 2012 06:24 Kokujin wrote:
So we're waiting for a statement that's going to be heavily edited, strategized, and pored over by managers and friends over 3 days? There were multiple correspondences taking place within hours when this blew up, from players, coaches and Jessica herself. This just makes it feel like a PR release to divert blame that takes 3 days to come up with. I guess they need a strategized way to attack Jessica's arguments because of Boxer's backing, but anything short of complete transparency by translating words straight from Crank/MMA makes this feel insincere or twisted. I'm sure the real Crank/MMA fans would be neutral enough to form an unbiased opinion. I hope axiom trusts the overall community enough to allow this. Maybe a video interview? I hope you don't think that Jessica didn't take time to plan this out and prepare statements ahead of time? She was the one to launch this shit storm, so obviously she has the advantage when it comes to preparation. I said it already, I'll say it again: if a team goes down like this, the person to blame the most is the leader/manager, no matter the reason, as it is the leader's responsibility to keep his house clean. That is the whole purpose of this role and to say it bluntly: no matter if it's all true what she says, she still proved that she was an attrocious manager. I still cant believe people are saying this slayers is one of the most successful teams out here slayers WAS one of the most successful teams out here The bolded part is why she sucks at managing a team. Oh and the reason why SlayerS was successful is because they had Boxer, Cella and Ryu as coaches, that did a pretty amazing job according to many sources, and they attracted a lot of talent when they were the richest team in the begining, combined with the presence of the emperor himself. The manager is supposed to keep a team running smoothly: provide enough pay, make sure there is an atmosphere the employees can thrive in and eliminate any problems of any kind before they can turn into a serious issue. To me as an outsider it seems that the success of SlayerS had nothing to do with Jessica, but with the coaches+Boxer, and to avert the downfall of the team would have been her responsibility (even if meant kicking out the players that caused problems, or discussing it more thoroughly, involve the public a bit earlier, don't make false public statements (we were lied to when the SlayerS management told us about supposed sickness of Coca and Puzzle), just be a damn people leader for crying out loud). and why do you think was that? If I understand correctly, because she and Boxer were passionate and bold enough to invest into the team, which is great and admirable. She is still a horrible manager - being passionate and being a good manager may go hand in hand, but, alas, here this seems not to be the case. so you are saying that she contributed nothing to the team when the team got successful but when it went bad she has to take all the blame? wtf Look, you seem to be invested into this person, that's fine. I'm just saying that I, personally, won't take a word she says as granted, I'll hear the other side out. There probably are other persons to blame as well, but blaming people never got anything done in this world. It would have been her responsibility to avoid all of this, even if she didn't cause it. Instead she seems to act like the Spanish Inquisition. And yes, she contributed money to the team, which is great and so you could say that helped them become big, the same way the other sponsors (I believe Intel?) contributed to the success , but has nothing to do with being a manager per se.
I am a fan of boxer and slayers not that much of jessica. Im just angry how this all turned out with the team and I see that a lot of people are discrediting her story just because she was overprotective a few times regarding slayers players..
Also she went to negotiate with ESF coaches but with no result. She went to thisisgame withthe whole story 2 month in prior to let them publish the story, which they didnt. She had no choice then to do this by herself, which she did
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On October 21 2012 07:15 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 06:58 ACrow wrote:On October 21 2012 06:49 farnham wrote:On October 21 2012 06:48 ACrow wrote:On October 21 2012 06:42 farnham wrote:On October 21 2012 06:34 ACrow wrote:On October 21 2012 06:32 farnham wrote:On October 21 2012 06:30 ACrow wrote:On October 21 2012 06:24 Kokujin wrote:
So we're waiting for a statement that's going to be heavily edited, strategized, and pored over by managers and friends over 3 days? There were multiple correspondences taking place within hours when this blew up, from players, coaches and Jessica herself. This just makes it feel like a PR release to divert blame that takes 3 days to come up with. I guess they need a strategized way to attack Jessica's arguments because of Boxer's backing, but anything short of complete transparency by translating words straight from Crank/MMA makes this feel insincere or twisted. I'm sure the real Crank/MMA fans would be neutral enough to form an unbiased opinion. I hope axiom trusts the overall community enough to allow this. Maybe a video interview? I hope you don't think that Jessica didn't take time to plan this out and prepare statements ahead of time? She was the one to launch this shit storm, so obviously she has the advantage when it comes to preparation. I said it already, I'll say it again: if a team goes down like this, the person to blame the most is the leader/manager, no matter the reason, as it is the leader's responsibility to keep his house clean. That is the whole purpose of this role and to say it bluntly: no matter if it's all true what she says, she still proved that she was an attrocious manager. I still cant believe people are saying this slayers is one of the most successful teams out here slayers WAS one of the most successful teams out here The bolded part is why she sucks at managing a team. Oh and the reason why SlayerS was successful is because they had Boxer, Cella and Ryu as coaches, that did a pretty amazing job according to many sources, and they attracted a lot of talent when they were the richest team in the begining, combined with the presence of the emperor himself. The manager is supposed to keep a team running smoothly: provide enough pay, make sure there is an atmosphere the employees can thrive in and eliminate any problems of any kind before they can turn into a serious issue. To me as an outsider it seems that the success of SlayerS had nothing to do with Jessica, but with the coaches+Boxer, and to avert the downfall of the team would have been her responsibility (even if meant kicking out the players that caused problems, or discussing it more thoroughly, involve the public a bit earlier, don't make false public statements (we were lied to when the SlayerS management told us about supposed sickness of Coca and Puzzle), just be a damn people leader for crying out loud). and why do you think was that? If I understand correctly, because she and Boxer were passionate and bold enough to invest into the team, which is great and admirable. She is still a horrible manager - being passionate and being a good manager may go hand in hand, but, alas, here this seems not to be the case. so you are saying that she contributed nothing to the team when the team got successful but when it went bad she has to take all the blame? wtf Look, you seem to be invested into this person, that's fine. I'm just saying that I, personally, won't take a word she says as granted, I'll hear the other side out. There probably are other persons to blame as well, but blaming people never got anything done in this world. It would have been her responsibility to avoid all of this, even if she didn't cause it. Instead she seems to act like the Spanish Inquisition. And yes, she contributed money to the team, which is great and so you could say that helped them become big, the same way the other sponsors (I believe Intel?) contributed to the success , but has nothing to do with being a manager per se. I am a fan of boxer and slayers not that much of jessica. Im just angry how this all turned out with the team and I see that a lot of people are discrediting her story just because she was overprotective a few times regarding slayers players.. Also she went to negotiate with ESF coaches but with no result. She went to thisisgame withthe whole story 2 month in prior to let them publish the story, which they didnt. She had no choice then to do this by herself, which she did
Didn't know she went to TIG with this. But yeah, this whole thing sucks pretty bad, I hope you find a new team to support/follow, there isn't much we fans can do now I'm afraid 
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On October 21 2012 07:20 ACrow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 07:15 farnham wrote:On October 21 2012 06:58 ACrow wrote:On October 21 2012 06:49 farnham wrote:On October 21 2012 06:48 ACrow wrote:On October 21 2012 06:42 farnham wrote:On October 21 2012 06:34 ACrow wrote:On October 21 2012 06:32 farnham wrote:On October 21 2012 06:30 ACrow wrote:On October 21 2012 06:24 Kokujin wrote:
So we're waiting for a statement that's going to be heavily edited, strategized, and pored over by managers and friends over 3 days? There were multiple correspondences taking place within hours when this blew up, from players, coaches and Jessica herself. This just makes it feel like a PR release to divert blame that takes 3 days to come up with. I guess they need a strategized way to attack Jessica's arguments because of Boxer's backing, but anything short of complete transparency by translating words straight from Crank/MMA makes this feel insincere or twisted. I'm sure the real Crank/MMA fans would be neutral enough to form an unbiased opinion. I hope axiom trusts the overall community enough to allow this. Maybe a video interview? I hope you don't think that Jessica didn't take time to plan this out and prepare statements ahead of time? She was the one to launch this shit storm, so obviously she has the advantage when it comes to preparation. I said it already, I'll say it again: if a team goes down like this, the person to blame the most is the leader/manager, no matter the reason, as it is the leader's responsibility to keep his house clean. That is the whole purpose of this role and to say it bluntly: no matter if it's all true what she says, she still proved that she was an attrocious manager. I still cant believe people are saying this slayers is one of the most successful teams out here slayers WAS one of the most successful teams out here The bolded part is why she sucks at managing a team. Oh and the reason why SlayerS was successful is because they had Boxer, Cella and Ryu as coaches, that did a pretty amazing job according to many sources, and they attracted a lot of talent when they were the richest team in the begining, combined with the presence of the emperor himself. The manager is supposed to keep a team running smoothly: provide enough pay, make sure there is an atmosphere the employees can thrive in and eliminate any problems of any kind before they can turn into a serious issue. To me as an outsider it seems that the success of SlayerS had nothing to do with Jessica, but with the coaches+Boxer, and to avert the downfall of the team would have been her responsibility (even if meant kicking out the players that caused problems, or discussing it more thoroughly, involve the public a bit earlier, don't make false public statements (we were lied to when the SlayerS management told us about supposed sickness of Coca and Puzzle), just be a damn people leader for crying out loud). and why do you think was that? If I understand correctly, because she and Boxer were passionate and bold enough to invest into the team, which is great and admirable. She is still a horrible manager - being passionate and being a good manager may go hand in hand, but, alas, here this seems not to be the case. so you are saying that she contributed nothing to the team when the team got successful but when it went bad she has to take all the blame? wtf Look, you seem to be invested into this person, that's fine. I'm just saying that I, personally, won't take a word she says as granted, I'll hear the other side out. There probably are other persons to blame as well, but blaming people never got anything done in this world. It would have been her responsibility to avoid all of this, even if she didn't cause it. Instead she seems to act like the Spanish Inquisition. And yes, she contributed money to the team, which is great and so you could say that helped them become big, the same way the other sponsors (I believe Intel?) contributed to the success , but has nothing to do with being a manager per se. I am a fan of boxer and slayers not that much of jessica. Im just angry how this all turned out with the team and I see that a lot of people are discrediting her story just because she was overprotective a few times regarding slayers players.. Also she went to negotiate with ESF coaches but with no result. She went to thisisgame withthe whole story 2 month in prior to let them publish the story, which they didnt. She had no choice then to do this by herself, which she did Didn't know she went to TIG with this. But yeah, this whole thing sucks pretty bad, I hope you find a new team to support/follow, there isn't much we fans can do now I'm afraid
Probably SkT1 as boxer is with them now..
Hope he will come back as a player someday
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I hate how people discredit Jessica for the success of Slayers. Boxers is a great guy, and a good player/coach, but he's not the management type. Without Jessica, I don't think Slayers would have been formed.
I think the downfall has more to do with Jessica being a woman running a team. All the other teams will make life difficult for her, and they got their bullying ways. Male domination is very strong in asian countries.
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I think alot of people are missing the bigger picture here. It's not just Jessica's fault, or MMA, or anyone from team Slayers. It sounds like Federation managers did alot of shady stuff and encouraged bullying or not supporting Slayers. Slayers as a team was being isolated, discouraged, and their members bullied. It's hard for anyone not to have doubts after staying there long enough. U know all that saying, if you don't believe a lie from one person telling it, but after 100 you won't be so sure? It also sounds like MMA couldn't handle all the drama and stress. And jessica didn't do enough damage control in time. It's sad to see Slayers go, but i wish their players well. Lost all respect for federation though. I have 0 respect for shady ass monopolizers who is the only winner who's happy Slayers disbanded in this sad event.
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On October 21 2012 04:23 Seraphic wrote:
TB let me say first I already have reservations on you. CranK was already proven a liar so you better watch what you say to Jessica and find your way to earn more hate from the Korean netizens. If you honestly believe she would take another lie you are dead wrong.
People wonder why the eSports scene has so much drama. This is why, people that know nothing, pretending to know something.
I hope axiom trusts the overall community enough to allow this
I don't and that's a loaded question anyway. I've been in this community far too long to have any illusions about trusting it with drama.
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On October 21 2012 10:22 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 04:23 Seraphic wrote:
TB let me say first I already have reservations on you. CranK was already proven a liar so you better watch what you say to Jessica and find your way to earn more hate from the Korean netizens. If you honestly believe she would take another lie you are dead wrong. Clueless community members are trying to order people around in this thread and pretending to have inside info. Quite frankly it's giving me a headache. "Better watch what you say!" or what, you'll beat me up over the internet? Please... You have no idea what's happened, the vast majority of people don't but the really sad thing? You are so confident in your ignorance, it's vomit-inducing really. People wonder why the eSports scene has so much drama. This is why, people that know nothing, pretending to know something.
Not to take sides or anything but I find this a little a blind sighted since you have no direct, first hand experience on what happened either. Of course you'll be using the source of information you have; however, in each case that's been brought up it's hard for anyone to make an accurate judgement call since it's all "he said she said" with inklings of evidence pointing one way or the other.
I suppose we'll find out what sort of statement is made soon. I'm just hoping you have no intentions of "clearing" everything because people will still have reservations on this issue regardless of what new "true" information is revealed.
In any case, I do agree a lot of people are misunderstanding and saying things they really shouldn't be.. but you can't really expect more  !
edit: ooo you ninja'd your post but.. I'll leave mine as it is >.>
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I don't understand Boxer's reasoning in leaving the team that is named after him. I don't care who did what, but the captain has to go down with the ship imo.
sad sad story. slayers was hands down my fav team.
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To answer some baseless scepticism.
We are not releasing the statement yet because there are detailed Korean articles coming out on Sunday evening which give exceptional insight into the whole situation from the perspectives of CranK and MMA. Releasing a statement now and then having some random person translate it into Korean could result in all manner of problems. Biased translators exist and when it comes to Boxer he is a sacred cow that can do no wrong. I'd also like to add that CranK required a great deal of convincing to speak publicly about this issue. He has no desire to talk ill of anyone but his hand was forced by people who have no such qualms.
Also, it's my 5 year wedding anniversary and I would have really liked to spend it with my wife not dealing with Korean drama, but it was not to be. Whoop-de-doo.
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On October 21 2012 10:36 TotalBiscuit wrote:
To answer some baseless scepticism.
We are not releasing the statement yet because there are detailed Korean articles coming out on Sunday evening which give exceptional insight into the whole situation from the perspectives of CranK and MMA. Releasing a statement now and then having some random person translate it into Korean could result in all manner of problems. Biased translators exist and when it comes to Boxer he is a sacred cow that can do no wrong. I'd also like to add that CranK required a great deal of convincing to speak publicly about this issue. He has no desire to talk ill of anyone but his hand was forced by people who have no such qualms.
Also, it's my 5 year wedding anniversary and I would have really liked to spend it with my wife not dealing with Korean drama, but it was not to be. Whoop-de-doo.
Dude. Just turn off comp and go have a happy anniversary.
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On October 21 2012 10:36 TotalBiscuit wrote:
To answer some baseless scepticism.
We are not releasing the statement yet because there are detailed Korean articles coming out on Sunday evening which give exceptional insight into the whole situation from the perspectives of CranK and MMA. Releasing a statement now and then having some random person translate it into Korean could result in all manner of problems. Biased translators exist and when it comes to Boxer he is a sacred cow that can do no wrong. I'd also like to add that CranK required a great deal of convincing to speak publicly about this issue. He has no desire to talk ill of anyone but his hand was forced by people who have no such qualms.
Also, it's my 5 year wedding anniversary and I would have really liked to spend it with my wife not dealing with Korean drama, but it was not to be. Whoop-de-doo.
I don't know if you're expecting people to empathize with your situation while you sarcastically remark(edit: I meant overly portray the bias in the situation when there are in fact people willing to look at this situation on a provable, factual basis) about others in the same regard... Not sure the best way to categorize that sort of characteristic but it doesn't really help in an objective discussion**. I do hope you have an enjoyable anniversary nonetheless.
I must have misunderstood your first post I saw in the thread yesterday(I think). So sorry for expecting a statement, I'll be looking for the korean perspectives that will be released in the near future. Though, I'll still be applying what I noted above to whatever new information is released, regardless of who(MMA, crank, or jessica for that matter) it is, as well! haha
**edit 2: I suppose the best way to word this would be to say, emotional appeal is a "loaded" approach to a logical argument. I'm sure there is some logical fallacy for it that has escaped me, but you get the idea! o:
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