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On October 19 2012 19:09 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 19:07 ggrrg wrote:On October 19 2012 18:56 farnham wrote:On October 19 2012 18:46 bimba wrote:
I haven't read anything, since there seems to be a lot of things and the translations make it a little bit hard to understand. Can someone please give me a short summarization of the whole situation? slayers disbands jessica blames esfs embargo as main reason esf first denies then admits partly then jeesica posts further evidence now all esf coaches post a formal apology The other main reason is the that manager J, who worked for slayers, intentionally screwed up the team by making sure that slayers loses sponsors (he was in charge of sponsor negotiations). He also spread rumors among the players that Jessica embezzled money, thus creating a very malicious atmosphere in the team, since many players (most notably MMA) believed him. At least this is what Jessica claims, but Alicia already confirmed that there were problems with manager J. There is also a bunch of other gossip, but those two problems (ESF embargo and manager J) seem to be the reasons why the team had to disband. On a side note, Jessica talks extremely badly of Crank and especially of Alicia. Alicia seems to be a diva and a liar. He also supposedly did something so bad that Jessica is considering to sue him. I understand her wanting to take down the other esf just for the matter of pride and clearing her name, but bringing down Crank and Alicia and MMA when they are just trying to move on? like seriously, you call them family yet tear them an asshole. Crank having TB is saved, but Alicia is probably fucked.
I pretty much feel like bittman, who already responded to you.
It seems like Alicia deserves the shit he gets.
I cannot really make up my mind about Crank and MMA. I also do not understand to what extent Jessica is blaming them and to what extent she is just disappointed in them.
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On October 19 2012 18:36 cost2010 wrote:
I find it hard to follow Jessica's line of thinking but i guess that is also a cultural issue (?).
For me it is very weird to see a manager priding herself on being "like a mother" to her players (they are responsible adults, not children that have to be protected from themselves), taking any adversity as a personal slight, airing dirty laundry and thinly veiled threats in public (I don't see at all how it helps any of her remaining players in finding a new team), putting all blame on"J" with hardly any reflection on her own responsibility for the hiring decision and her lack of supervision, ...
It just feels as if she doesn't realize that she is managing a business and not a family.
Maybe Korean culture has a different notion of good business management and the division between professional and private life and the "corporate way" of doing things does appear cold & impersonal at times - but it also bears mentioning that the generally accepted best practices for prudent business management contain the lessons learned from at least 200 years of failed business ventures.
Some of the main benefits of acting like a responsible business are that obligations and responsibilities are clearly assigned, that there is always an eye on making sure that incentives remain lined up, that single points of failures are avoided and that emotional drama is kept to a minimum.
It feels as if SlayerS would have profited greatly from a healthy dose of professionalism and MBA-ness.
(I wonder if the "we pay for everything the team needs without taking anything from our players" approach is really something to be proud of - it seems that this approach muddles everyone's rights and obligations, makes it harder for players to voice opposition (as they should probably feel indebted to the team), contributes towards opposition always being understood as a personal insult/ingratitude and only results in suppressed conflict that erupts at the worst time possible in the most emotional way possible.
Isn't it better to play with open cards on a level playing field? to take your fair share from the players at all times and let everyone have clearly assigned rights and responsibilities in return?)
Exactly my thoughts
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On October 19 2012 19:16 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 19:13 bittman wrote:On October 19 2012 19:09 ImNightmare wrote:On October 19 2012 19:07 ggrrg wrote:On October 19 2012 18:56 farnham wrote:On October 19 2012 18:46 bimba wrote:
I haven't read anything, since there seems to be a lot of things and the translations make it a little bit hard to understand. Can someone please give me a short summarization of the whole situation? slayers disbands jessica blames esfs embargo as main reason esf first denies then admits partly then jeesica posts further evidence now all esf coaches post a formal apology The other main reason is the that manager J, who worked for slayers, intentionally screwed up the team by making sure that slayers loses sponsors (he was in charge of sponsor negotiations). He also spread rumors among the players that Jessica embezzled money, thus creating a very malicious atmosphere in the team, since many players (most notably MMA) believed him. At least this is what Jessica claims, but Alicia already confirmed that there were problems with manager J. There is also a bunch of other gossip, but those two problems (ESF embargo and manager J) seem to be the reasons why the team had to disband. On a side note, Jessica talks extremely badly of Crank and especially of Alicia. Alicia seems to be a diva and a liar. He also supposedly did something so bad that Jessica is considering to sue him. I understand her wanting to take down the other esf just for the matter of pride and clearing her name, but bringing down Crank and Alicia and MMA when they are just trying to move on? like seriously, you call them family yet tear them an asshole. Crank having TB is saved, but Alicia is probably fucked. Well given the gist of comments about Alicia there are more serious things going on with his "situation". imo Crank's situation is stupid overall. I actually don't care that much except for the fact that Jessica recorded a call which I find hilarious. MMA's I still really don't get. The manager J thing was really vague from my perspective and overall confusing. Jessica claimed that almost every issue under the sun imaginable happened thanks to manager J. I'm sure he's at fault, just not sure really how much. He was MMA's friend right? I guess we'll get a much closer gleam into the other side than Alicia with a MMA statement. yeah, I really think its GG for alicia. On crank's issue, TB actually stated he has a statement prepared that he will released when the time is right, so I am guessing crank probably have no problems with Jessica releasing her so called "evidence" MMA one is interesting , someone on the forum says they have statements from MMA and crank and would be releasing it shortly soon.
I don't understand why you talk about "so-called evidence" because the federation stated that all she said was true in that other thread. Is there's something i didn't get ?
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On October 19 2012 19:29 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 19:16 ImNightmare wrote:On October 19 2012 19:13 bittman wrote:On October 19 2012 19:09 ImNightmare wrote:On October 19 2012 19:07 ggrrg wrote:On October 19 2012 18:56 farnham wrote:On October 19 2012 18:46 bimba wrote:
I haven't read anything, since there seems to be a lot of things and the translations make it a little bit hard to understand. Can someone please give me a short summarization of the whole situation? slayers disbands jessica blames esfs embargo as main reason esf first denies then admits partly then jeesica posts further evidence now all esf coaches post a formal apology The other main reason is the that manager J, who worked for slayers, intentionally screwed up the team by making sure that slayers loses sponsors (he was in charge of sponsor negotiations). He also spread rumors among the players that Jessica embezzled money, thus creating a very malicious atmosphere in the team, since many players (most notably MMA) believed him. At least this is what Jessica claims, but Alicia already confirmed that there were problems with manager J. There is also a bunch of other gossip, but those two problems (ESF embargo and manager J) seem to be the reasons why the team had to disband. On a side note, Jessica talks extremely badly of Crank and especially of Alicia. Alicia seems to be a diva and a liar. He also supposedly did something so bad that Jessica is considering to sue him. I understand her wanting to take down the other esf just for the matter of pride and clearing her name, but bringing down Crank and Alicia and MMA when they are just trying to move on? like seriously, you call them family yet tear them an asshole. Crank having TB is saved, but Alicia is probably fucked. Well given the gist of comments about Alicia there are more serious things going on with his "situation". imo Crank's situation is stupid overall. I actually don't care that much except for the fact that Jessica recorded a call which I find hilarious. MMA's I still really don't get. The manager J thing was really vague from my perspective and overall confusing. Jessica claimed that almost every issue under the sun imaginable happened thanks to manager J. I'm sure he's at fault, just not sure really how much. He was MMA's friend right? I guess we'll get a much closer gleam into the other side than Alicia with a MMA statement. yeah, I really think its GG for alicia. On crank's issue, TB actually stated he has a statement prepared that he will released when the time is right, so I am guessing crank probably have no problems with Jessica releasing her so called "evidence" MMA one is interesting , someone on the forum says they have statements from MMA and crank and would be releasing it shortly soon. I don't understand why you talk about "so-called evidence" because the federation stated that all she said was true in that other thread. Is there's something i didn't get ?
Read before replying. I said, On crank's issue. ESF admits her charges against them but Crank is not ESF.
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In these scenarious nobody is usually 100 % wrong or right.
Won and Jessica didnt go well together. And in this war Won made a critical mistake of banning ESF Teams on training with Slayers. He realised it month later an lifted the ban but it was already too late.
Just because of this he has to resign now. And he is gonna be made a Scape Goat out of all of this.
And looks like Jessica doesnt know how to manage kids (most of the players are around 20 (still not very mature)). When there are so many unhappy faces on the team manger is to blame (Whatever the reasons were in every single case).
So to sum up:
Jessica is a hard person to deal with and she is not very good manager.
Mr. Won in his war went too far by putting on the training veto and now is paying for that by resigning.
Feel sorry for the Slayers players (In that age you are not ready to deal with this problems. You wanna have love problems 
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On October 19 2012 19:34 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 19:29 FFW_Rude wrote:On October 19 2012 19:16 ImNightmare wrote:On October 19 2012 19:13 bittman wrote:On October 19 2012 19:09 ImNightmare wrote:On October 19 2012 19:07 ggrrg wrote:On October 19 2012 18:56 farnham wrote:On October 19 2012 18:46 bimba wrote:
I haven't read anything, since there seems to be a lot of things and the translations make it a little bit hard to understand. Can someone please give me a short summarization of the whole situation? slayers disbands jessica blames esfs embargo as main reason esf first denies then admits partly then jeesica posts further evidence now all esf coaches post a formal apology The other main reason is the that manager J, who worked for slayers, intentionally screwed up the team by making sure that slayers loses sponsors (he was in charge of sponsor negotiations). He also spread rumors among the players that Jessica embezzled money, thus creating a very malicious atmosphere in the team, since many players (most notably MMA) believed him. At least this is what Jessica claims, but Alicia already confirmed that there were problems with manager J. There is also a bunch of other gossip, but those two problems (ESF embargo and manager J) seem to be the reasons why the team had to disband. On a side note, Jessica talks extremely badly of Crank and especially of Alicia. Alicia seems to be a diva and a liar. He also supposedly did something so bad that Jessica is considering to sue him. I understand her wanting to take down the other esf just for the matter of pride and clearing her name, but bringing down Crank and Alicia and MMA when they are just trying to move on? like seriously, you call them family yet tear them an asshole. Crank having TB is saved, but Alicia is probably fucked. Well given the gist of comments about Alicia there are more serious things going on with his "situation". imo Crank's situation is stupid overall. I actually don't care that much except for the fact that Jessica recorded a call which I find hilarious. MMA's I still really don't get. The manager J thing was really vague from my perspective and overall confusing. Jessica claimed that almost every issue under the sun imaginable happened thanks to manager J. I'm sure he's at fault, just not sure really how much. He was MMA's friend right? I guess we'll get a much closer gleam into the other side than Alicia with a MMA statement. yeah, I really think its GG for alicia. On crank's issue, TB actually stated he has a statement prepared that he will released when the time is right, so I am guessing crank probably have no problems with Jessica releasing her so called "evidence" MMA one is interesting , someone on the forum says they have statements from MMA and crank and would be releasing it shortly soon. I don't understand why you talk about "so-called evidence" because the federation stated that all she said was true in that other thread. Is there's something i didn't get ? Read before replying. I said, On crank's issue. ESF admits her charges against them but Crank is not ESF.
Wow thank you for your answer. I'm really glad you read mine and put so much time to explain to me. Jessica talked about Cranck right ? Esf said all she said was true. So that includes Cranck for me. But as i said in my post. I'm not sure i understood you post well (not being native english person). But you made it clear that i don't belong posting here.
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Didnt they say yesterday, that Crank and MMA will give a press release today? Have they done it already?
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On October 19 2012 03:14 Salazarz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 03:12 ImNightmare wrote:On October 19 2012 03:06 farnham wrote:On October 19 2012 02:59 ImNightmare wrote:On October 19 2012 02:57 farnham wrote:On October 19 2012 02:50 ImNightmare wrote:On October 19 2012 02:48 farnham wrote:On October 19 2012 02:42 ImNightmare wrote:I would prefer a newsen source please. m.newstown is good though, but is it about boxer? I dont think i need to provide stories from a source you like. Fact is that she is known outside of the gaming community If you say so bro. Still doesn't change the fact that the facts are against her. What facts? Oh lord here we go again... the fact that her own players left her? esf coaches aren't on friendly terms with her? If its just esf coaches. fine. But if her own players don't like her, its more of a "her" problem then a "their" problem. So i understand that esf sc2con or whatever you want to call those coaches wanted slayers to be a part of their circle. Boxer and jessica declined and they wanted to force her in by setting up the practice ban which lasted 10 month according to jessica. The Team practice became harder and harder and players suffered until the whole team collapsed Is esf some part of a reason for the collapse of slayers? Yes I agree. But is it the sole reason? No. Jessica's reasoning is that slayers team and esf were the reason why the team disbanded but she did not state that what she did was wrong. As what a administrator of this site said, she is not accepting the blame that her management skills might have a effect too but rather pushing the blame to others. She never said eSF is the sole reason Slayers disbanded...
You are right. She blamed pretty much everyone except for herself, even though she's the manager and leader of the team... >_<
People can talk all day about unfortunate circumstances or unfair competitors, but the fact remains that when something you are in charge of crashes and burns like this, it's your responsibility. I don't doubt her good intentions, but she should have never been let in charge of a team.
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On October 19 2012 19:45 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 19:34 ImNightmare wrote:On October 19 2012 19:29 FFW_Rude wrote:On October 19 2012 19:16 ImNightmare wrote:On October 19 2012 19:13 bittman wrote:On October 19 2012 19:09 ImNightmare wrote:On October 19 2012 19:07 ggrrg wrote:On October 19 2012 18:56 farnham wrote:On October 19 2012 18:46 bimba wrote:
I haven't read anything, since there seems to be a lot of things and the translations make it a little bit hard to understand. Can someone please give me a short summarization of the whole situation? slayers disbands jessica blames esfs embargo as main reason esf first denies then admits partly then jeesica posts further evidence now all esf coaches post a formal apology The other main reason is the that manager J, who worked for slayers, intentionally screwed up the team by making sure that slayers loses sponsors (he was in charge of sponsor negotiations). He also spread rumors among the players that Jessica embezzled money, thus creating a very malicious atmosphere in the team, since many players (most notably MMA) believed him. At least this is what Jessica claims, but Alicia already confirmed that there were problems with manager J. There is also a bunch of other gossip, but those two problems (ESF embargo and manager J) seem to be the reasons why the team had to disband. On a side note, Jessica talks extremely badly of Crank and especially of Alicia. Alicia seems to be a diva and a liar. He also supposedly did something so bad that Jessica is considering to sue him. I understand her wanting to take down the other esf just for the matter of pride and clearing her name, but bringing down Crank and Alicia and MMA when they are just trying to move on? like seriously, you call them family yet tear them an asshole. Crank having TB is saved, but Alicia is probably fucked. Well given the gist of comments about Alicia there are more serious things going on with his "situation". imo Crank's situation is stupid overall. I actually don't care that much except for the fact that Jessica recorded a call which I find hilarious. MMA's I still really don't get. The manager J thing was really vague from my perspective and overall confusing. Jessica claimed that almost every issue under the sun imaginable happened thanks to manager J. I'm sure he's at fault, just not sure really how much. He was MMA's friend right? I guess we'll get a much closer gleam into the other side than Alicia with a MMA statement. yeah, I really think its GG for alicia. On crank's issue, TB actually stated he has a statement prepared that he will released when the time is right, so I am guessing crank probably have no problems with Jessica releasing her so called "evidence" MMA one is interesting , someone on the forum says they have statements from MMA and crank and would be releasing it shortly soon. I don't understand why you talk about "so-called evidence" because the federation stated that all she said was true in that other thread. Is there's something i didn't get ? Read before replying. I said, On crank's issue. ESF admits her charges against them but Crank is not ESF. Wow thank you for your answer. I'm really glad you read mine and put so much time to explain to me. Jessica talked about Cranck right ? Esf said all she said was true. So that includes Cranck for me. But as i said in my post. I'm not sure i understood you post well (not being native english person). But you made it clear that i don't belong posting here.
ESF admitted what she said against them was true, they have never stated what she said about crank is true, I have no idea where you get that idea from.
You need to be wary of how you post "facts" because you are talking about the living of a human being, Its fucked up how people can just post "facts" without first checking when it involves people they don't know and I am not insulting you but wish you would be careful of "facts". Crank is a human just like you and I and spreading rumors isn't helping out
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ESF finally decided to publicly apologise.. think its abit too late. (link: http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=127976&db=issue&cate=&page=1&field=&kwrd= for those that read korean)
After all that bitching by Coach Won.. I really wish him and the rest of the people that were part of this step down and leave the scene (not just from being the "head" of the ESF). As long as the same people are around, something similar will eventually happen again.
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On October 19 2012 20:06 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 19:45 FFW_Rude wrote:On October 19 2012 19:34 ImNightmare wrote:On October 19 2012 19:29 FFW_Rude wrote:On October 19 2012 19:16 ImNightmare wrote:On October 19 2012 19:13 bittman wrote:On October 19 2012 19:09 ImNightmare wrote:On October 19 2012 19:07 ggrrg wrote:On October 19 2012 18:56 farnham wrote:On October 19 2012 18:46 bimba wrote:
I haven't read anything, since there seems to be a lot of things and the translations make it a little bit hard to understand. Can someone please give me a short summarization of the whole situation? slayers disbands jessica blames esfs embargo as main reason esf first denies then admits partly then jeesica posts further evidence now all esf coaches post a formal apology The other main reason is the that manager J, who worked for slayers, intentionally screwed up the team by making sure that slayers loses sponsors (he was in charge of sponsor negotiations). He also spread rumors among the players that Jessica embezzled money, thus creating a very malicious atmosphere in the team, since many players (most notably MMA) believed him. At least this is what Jessica claims, but Alicia already confirmed that there were problems with manager J. There is also a bunch of other gossip, but those two problems (ESF embargo and manager J) seem to be the reasons why the team had to disband. On a side note, Jessica talks extremely badly of Crank and especially of Alicia. Alicia seems to be a diva and a liar. He also supposedly did something so bad that Jessica is considering to sue him. I understand her wanting to take down the other esf just for the matter of pride and clearing her name, but bringing down Crank and Alicia and MMA when they are just trying to move on? like seriously, you call them family yet tear them an asshole. Crank having TB is saved, but Alicia is probably fucked. Well given the gist of comments about Alicia there are more serious things going on with his "situation". imo Crank's situation is stupid overall. I actually don't care that much except for the fact that Jessica recorded a call which I find hilarious. MMA's I still really don't get. The manager J thing was really vague from my perspective and overall confusing. Jessica claimed that almost every issue under the sun imaginable happened thanks to manager J. I'm sure he's at fault, just not sure really how much. He was MMA's friend right? I guess we'll get a much closer gleam into the other side than Alicia with a MMA statement. yeah, I really think its GG for alicia. On crank's issue, TB actually stated he has a statement prepared that he will released when the time is right, so I am guessing crank probably have no problems with Jessica releasing her so called "evidence" MMA one is interesting , someone on the forum says they have statements from MMA and crank and would be releasing it shortly soon. I don't understand why you talk about "so-called evidence" because the federation stated that all she said was true in that other thread. Is there's something i didn't get ? Read before replying. I said, On crank's issue. ESF admits her charges against them but Crank is not ESF. Wow thank you for your answer. I'm really glad you read mine and put so much time to explain to me. Jessica talked about Cranck right ? Esf said all she said was true. So that includes Cranck for me. But as i said in my post. I'm not sure i understood you post well (not being native english person). But you made it clear that i don't belong posting here. ESF admitted what she said against them was true, they have never stated what she said about crank is true, I have no idea where you get that idea from. You need to be wary of how you post "facts" because you are talking about the living of a human being, Its fucked up how people can just post "facts" without first checking when it involves people they don't know and I am not insulting you but wish you would be careful of "facts". Crank is a human just like you and I and spreading rumors isn't helping out
I was not posting FACTS but asking a freaking question ! i am NOT an english speaker and i don't always get the things right in what i read. That's why i ask questions !
How am i spreaing rumors ?
=> ORIGINAL QUESTION
I don't understand why you talk about "so-called evidence" because the federation stated that all she said was true in that other thread. Is there's something i didn't get ?
Is that a fact for you ? Or a question ?
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Jessica talked about Cranck right ? Esf said all she said was true (the post from the apology. That's how i understoof it). So that includes Cranck for me (meaning : that's what i understood)
I'm not sure i understood you post well (not being native english person).
Wow ! That's some facts.
Ban me please. I don't want to post in this thread anymore, i'm going to start being aggressive.
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On October 19 2012 20:13 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 20:06 ImNightmare wrote:On October 19 2012 19:45 FFW_Rude wrote:On October 19 2012 19:34 ImNightmare wrote:On October 19 2012 19:29 FFW_Rude wrote:On October 19 2012 19:16 ImNightmare wrote:On October 19 2012 19:13 bittman wrote:On October 19 2012 19:09 ImNightmare wrote:On October 19 2012 19:07 ggrrg wrote:On October 19 2012 18:56 farnham wrote:
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slayers disbands jessica blames esfs embargo as main reason
esf first denies then admits partly then jeesica posts further evidence
now all esf coaches post a formal apology The other main reason is the that manager J, who worked for slayers, intentionally screwed up the team by making sure that slayers loses sponsors (he was in charge of sponsor negotiations). He also spread rumors among the players that Jessica embezzled money, thus creating a very malicious atmosphere in the team, since many players (most notably MMA) believed him. At least this is what Jessica claims, but Alicia already confirmed that there were problems with manager J. There is also a bunch of other gossip, but those two problems (ESF embargo and manager J) seem to be the reasons why the team had to disband. On a side note, Jessica talks extremely badly of Crank and especially of Alicia. Alicia seems to be a diva and a liar. He also supposedly did something so bad that Jessica is considering to sue him. I understand her wanting to take down the other esf just for the matter of pride and clearing her name, but bringing down Crank and Alicia and MMA when they are just trying to move on? like seriously, you call them family yet tear them an asshole. Crank having TB is saved, but Alicia is probably fucked. Well given the gist of comments about Alicia there are more serious things going on with his "situation". imo Crank's situation is stupid overall. I actually don't care that much except for the fact that Jessica recorded a call which I find hilarious. MMA's I still really don't get. The manager J thing was really vague from my perspective and overall confusing. Jessica claimed that almost every issue under the sun imaginable happened thanks to manager J. I'm sure he's at fault, just not sure really how much. He was MMA's friend right? I guess we'll get a much closer gleam into the other side than Alicia with a MMA statement. yeah, I really think its GG for alicia. On crank's issue, TB actually stated he has a statement prepared that he will released when the time is right, so I am guessing crank probably have no problems with Jessica releasing her so called "evidence" MMA one is interesting , someone on the forum says they have statements from MMA and crank and would be releasing it shortly soon. I don't understand why you talk about "so-called evidence" because the federation stated that all she said was true in that other thread. Is there's something i didn't get ? Read before replying. I said, On crank's issue. ESF admits her charges against them but Crank is not ESF. Wow thank you for your answer. I'm really glad you read mine and put so much time to explain to me. Jessica talked about Cranck right ? Esf said all she said was true. So that includes Cranck for me. But as i said in my post. I'm not sure i understood you post well (not being native english person). But you made it clear that i don't belong posting here. ESF admitted what she said against them was true, they have never stated what she said about crank is true, I have no idea where you get that idea from. You need to be wary of how you post "facts" because you are talking about the living of a human being, Its fucked up how people can just post "facts" without first checking when it involves people they don't know and I am not insulting you but wish you would be careful of "facts". Crank is a human just like you and I and spreading rumors isn't helping out I was not posting FACTS but asking a freaking question ! i am NOT an english speaker and i don't always get the things right in what i read. That's why i ask questions ! How am i spreaing rumors ? => ORIGINAL QUESTION I don't understand why you talk about "so-called evidence" because the federation stated that all she said was true in that other thread. Is there's something i didn't get ?
your wording basically says "ESF admits everything she said even on the issue involving crank. Is there something that is not right here?" When esf has never admit on the issue regarding crank. Just your sentencing problem I guess its my fault for not clarifying.
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Excuse me OP you might want to add this, FXOboss thoughts http://fxoboss.tumblr.com/post/33887470617/mega-rant-time-to-clean-shit-up
Now before any of you say it, its not just sc2 now with this crap. Another (ANOTHER) LoL player was caught jacking off on stream? Seriously? Do you not give a crap about the thing you love so much?
Lol, anyone know what is this situation? Wtf...
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On October 18 2012 15:54 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 15:43 Acrofales wrote:On October 18 2012 15:32 Taku wrote:On October 18 2012 15:21 Mefano wrote:
How did people even start to blame Jessica in any way shape or form? Was there something I missed out on reading? Is the prejudice towards women so big? I sure as hell don't see what she did wrong except doing so much for everyone, now she is mad because she was backstabbed people dismiss her? What the hell, this makes me loose faith in the sc2 community... Agree with this, not sure if it's misogyny, some grudge, bandwagoning , or just being stupid. I mean really, who has a higher chance of being out of their depth and unprofessional: A woman who is already famous and well off as an actor and entertainer or some glory-chasing teenagers/young adults who haven't done much else in the world? I don't think anybody is doubting that Jessica's trying hard to lead the team. However, this is not the first incident of her causing e-drama over something the players/other teams/the press did. Additionally, it is not a 1v1: she is blaming a LOT of people (players, coaches, managers). It is simple Ockham's razor to say she is blowing shit out of proportion, rather than that ALL those other people are lying. Being a drama queen is not doing anybody any favours, least of all Jessica herself. And being a woman has absolutely nothing to do with it. In fact, I would say you people implying that the only reason people side against Jessica is because she's a woman is ignorant and sexist. It's not ignorant and it's not sexist. It's stating the facts. When she is involved, people tend to start calling attention to how she is always at the "center of the drama" and being a "drama queen," that it can't be coincidence that she is always involved in shit like this. I mean, the term "drama queen" is sexist in and of itself. You don't hear people calling out the other coaches for being, idk, drama kings or bastards (for the most part, they did earlier, but as is the case, allegations against Jessica >>> allegations against the other coaches), you just hear people railing on and on about how Jessica's overly dramatic, overly emotional, unsuited for leadership roles because of her tendency to overreact, etc. -- all of which are, by the way, charges that are often levied against women in particular when they show a strong hand. (The one exception I can think of to this case is TSL's Coach Lee for his reaction to the PuMa and aLive situations.) I suppose if one wanted to be less sexist, one might just want to call her "incompetent" as a manager instead of bringing up all these charges about her being too dramatic and emotional and such. That said, I do agree that she probably exaggerated some claims, but I still believe that the core of what she has said is probably true.
Eh, I know the discussion has moved on past this point. I just wanted to point out that people called coach Lee a drama queen (and a fraud). However, the whole thing is YOU jumping to the conclusion that because she's a girl we're calling her a drama queen. No, it's because she is causing drama (and putting herself in the center of it) that she is being called a drama queen.
I STILL think the whole situation was badly handled: it was all kept indoors until it blew up all at once. It all turning out to be true doesn't make the current drama any less stupid or attention-seeking. Most of the things mentioned are ancient history and there is no reason to bring them up now except for spite: what is the point of dragging MMA into all of this now? Is he the reason SlayerS is disbanding? No. He is just being needlessly dragged through the mud (regardless of whether he deserves it).
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Wow, thanks for posting that blog (or rant like he says) post. I pretty much agree with most of the things he said.
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On October 19 2012 16:06 Gorlin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 15:34 mongmong wrote:On October 19 2012 15:23 Gorlin wrote:On October 19 2012 15:17 mongmong wrote:On October 19 2012 15:02 ImNightmare wrote:On October 19 2012 14:59 mongmong wrote:On October 18 2012 14:19 lilsusie wrote:
Talked to MMA this morning, he's on the fence about writing his side of it or not because he's afraid that it's gonna get blown up even bigger. But if he doesn't say something then he's afraid the community will think ill of him because of Jessica's words which he says are not completely true. And from knowing MMA in person, he's always been super respectful, I doubt he'd ever "yell" at Boxer (which, I doubt Crank did too; he probably just "talked back" to him which might be considered "yelling" to Jessica).
Part of the conversation I had:
[1:42:50 PM] 문성원: 요환이형이 (Boxer is)
[1:42:51 PM] 문성원: 중간에 껴있어서 (caught in the middle)
[1:42:59 PM] 문성원: 제가 요환이형을 욕할순 없어요 (I can't talk bad about Boxer, rather the implication through context of the whole conversation was "I couldn't talk bad about Boxer [because he respects him])
I am super looking forward to seeing his side of things. I like your opinion about Crank. Jessica says she even recorded him yelling at boxer and jessica Great job defending MMA and Crank despite that 99.9% Korean community is upset about what those two did Come to think of it, Jessica is pretty paranoid about people isn't she? It seems like she always has evidence or records of conversations even during private moments LOL. Think about why Jessica does all that kind of stuff. She has been in the acting/entertainment industry for years, where its full of backstabbing, lies, and other loads of crap. So yeah, that was necessary and smart move by jessica. Look at how things turned out now. Coach Won is QQing and accusing jessica without ANY form of evidence, whereas jessica is backing up her statement with all the evidence. Do you see who looks like an amateur in this situation? Quit trying to romanticize the situation. "Jessica's been in the drama business, full of backstabbing! She's got experience!" That is bullshit. Coach Won admitted it was wrong when they had the practice ban, yet Jessica claims it went on for much longer, yet many many interviews from both SlayerS and non-SlayerS players both show them thanking each other for practice. There's your evidence. What evidence does Jessica have? A recording she recorded that, as lilsusie told us, Crank is completely fine with being released? Doesn't sound like too incriminating of a phone call. What else she got? An email to Nazgul from the completely wrong time period? I hate that I'm having to have this argument, because I'm not one of the people that thinks Jessica is a "crazy bitch" or whatever, but I'd rather attack her arguments than let people listen to them so blindly. Dude, I traced all the interviews back in 2011, and the only non slayers team memebers that slayers players are thanking in the interview are those froM NSHS. So, why could it be that the only NSHS players practiced them? Haters dont say they hate the person, but instead find some ridiculous reason to justify what theyre doing. Just look at you bro, nice try though. oh one more thing, lets assume that jessica didnt keep record of what happened (incl conversation with crank) Then the community is gonna say "wheres the proof!!! she's trying to start a drama!!!' so yes, even though jessica keeping record of everything seems scary, it does help in this kind of situation. You're completely lying. I searched for some random ass interviews. Mvp thanks SlayerS Sleep: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218581Curious thanks SlayerS Puzzle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=274095Ganzi thanks TSL terrans and NSHoseo Shuttle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=261200Clide thanks MMA: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267743Coca thanks a bunch of people: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=270280Mvp thanks MMA (happens in many other interviews too): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=272327MMA thanks Byun and Clide: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=277230Byun thanks Puzzle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=344158
yo bra it seems like these are irrelevant as they were way before the embargo..
read the timeline shit again i know its confusing.. =_=
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On October 19 2012 21:05 megacrack wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 16:06 Gorlin wrote:On October 19 2012 15:34 mongmong wrote:On October 19 2012 15:23 Gorlin wrote:On October 19 2012 15:17 mongmong wrote:On October 19 2012 15:02 ImNightmare wrote:On October 19 2012 14:59 mongmong wrote:On October 18 2012 14:19 lilsusie wrote:
Talked to MMA this morning, he's on the fence about writing his side of it or not because he's afraid that it's gonna get blown up even bigger. But if he doesn't say something then he's afraid the community will think ill of him because of Jessica's words which he says are not completely true. And from knowing MMA in person, he's always been super respectful, I doubt he'd ever "yell" at Boxer (which, I doubt Crank did too; he probably just "talked back" to him which might be considered "yelling" to Jessica).
Part of the conversation I had:
[1:42:50 PM] 문성원: 요환이형이 (Boxer is)
[1:42:51 PM] 문성원: 중간에 껴있어서 (caught in the middle)
[1:42:59 PM] 문성원: 제가 요환이형을 욕할순 없어요 (I can't talk bad about Boxer, rather the implication through context of the whole conversation was "I couldn't talk bad about Boxer [because he respects him])
I am super looking forward to seeing his side of things. I like your opinion about Crank. Jessica says she even recorded him yelling at boxer and jessica Great job defending MMA and Crank despite that 99.9% Korean community is upset about what those two did Come to think of it, Jessica is pretty paranoid about people isn't she? It seems like she always has evidence or records of conversations even during private moments LOL. Think about why Jessica does all that kind of stuff. She has been in the acting/entertainment industry for years, where its full of backstabbing, lies, and other loads of crap. So yeah, that was necessary and smart move by jessica. Look at how things turned out now. Coach Won is QQing and accusing jessica without ANY form of evidence, whereas jessica is backing up her statement with all the evidence. Do you see who looks like an amateur in this situation? Quit trying to romanticize the situation. "Jessica's been in the drama business, full of backstabbing! She's got experience!" That is bullshit. Coach Won admitted it was wrong when they had the practice ban, yet Jessica claims it went on for much longer, yet many many interviews from both SlayerS and non-SlayerS players both show them thanking each other for practice. There's your evidence. What evidence does Jessica have? A recording she recorded that, as lilsusie told us, Crank is completely fine with being released? Doesn't sound like too incriminating of a phone call. What else she got? An email to Nazgul from the completely wrong time period? I hate that I'm having to have this argument, because I'm not one of the people that thinks Jessica is a "crazy bitch" or whatever, but I'd rather attack her arguments than let people listen to them so blindly. Dude, I traced all the interviews back in 2011, and the only non slayers team memebers that slayers players are thanking in the interview are those froM NSHS. So, why could it be that the only NSHS players practiced them? Haters dont say they hate the person, but instead find some ridiculous reason to justify what theyre doing. Just look at you bro, nice try though. oh one more thing, lets assume that jessica didnt keep record of what happened (incl conversation with crank) Then the community is gonna say "wheres the proof!!! she's trying to start a drama!!!' so yes, even though jessica keeping record of everything seems scary, it does help in this kind of situation. You're completely lying. I searched for some random ass interviews. Mvp thanks SlayerS Sleep: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218581Curious thanks SlayerS Puzzle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=274095Ganzi thanks TSL terrans and NSHoseo Shuttle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=261200Clide thanks MMA: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267743Coca thanks a bunch of people: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=270280Mvp thanks MMA (happens in many other interviews too): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=272327MMA thanks Byun and Clide: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=277230Byun thanks Puzzle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=344158 yo bra it seems like these are irrelevant as they were way before the embargo.. read the timeline shit again i know its confusing.. =_=
So I'm curious, what's the timeline according to your reading?
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On October 19 2012 21:07 Weirdkid wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 21:05 megacrack wrote:On October 19 2012 16:06 Gorlin wrote:On October 19 2012 15:34 mongmong wrote:On October 19 2012 15:23 Gorlin wrote:On October 19 2012 15:17 mongmong wrote:On October 19 2012 15:02 ImNightmare wrote:On October 19 2012 14:59 mongmong wrote:On October 18 2012 14:19 lilsusie wrote:
Talked to MMA this morning, he's on the fence about writing his side of it or not because he's afraid that it's gonna get blown up even bigger. But if he doesn't say something then he's afraid the community will think ill of him because of Jessica's words which he says are not completely true. And from knowing MMA in person, he's always been super respectful, I doubt he'd ever "yell" at Boxer (which, I doubt Crank did too; he probably just "talked back" to him which might be considered "yelling" to Jessica).
Part of the conversation I had:
[1:42:50 PM] 문성원: 요환이형이 (Boxer is)
[1:42:51 PM] 문성원: 중간에 껴있어서 (caught in the middle)
[1:42:59 PM] 문성원: 제가 요환이형을 욕할순 없어요 (I can't talk bad about Boxer, rather the implication through context of the whole conversation was "I couldn't talk bad about Boxer [because he respects him])
I am super looking forward to seeing his side of things. I like your opinion about Crank. Jessica says she even recorded him yelling at boxer and jessica Great job defending MMA and Crank despite that 99.9% Korean community is upset about what those two did Come to think of it, Jessica is pretty paranoid about people isn't she? It seems like she always has evidence or records of conversations even during private moments LOL. Think about why Jessica does all that kind of stuff. She has been in the acting/entertainment industry for years, where its full of backstabbing, lies, and other loads of crap. So yeah, that was necessary and smart move by jessica. Look at how things turned out now. Coach Won is QQing and accusing jessica without ANY form of evidence, whereas jessica is backing up her statement with all the evidence. Do you see who looks like an amateur in this situation? Quit trying to romanticize the situation. "Jessica's been in the drama business, full of backstabbing! She's got experience!" That is bullshit. Coach Won admitted it was wrong when they had the practice ban, yet Jessica claims it went on for much longer, yet many many interviews from both SlayerS and non-SlayerS players both show them thanking each other for practice. There's your evidence. What evidence does Jessica have? A recording she recorded that, as lilsusie told us, Crank is completely fine with being released? Doesn't sound like too incriminating of a phone call. What else she got? An email to Nazgul from the completely wrong time period? I hate that I'm having to have this argument, because I'm not one of the people that thinks Jessica is a "crazy bitch" or whatever, but I'd rather attack her arguments than let people listen to them so blindly. Dude, I traced all the interviews back in 2011, and the only non slayers team memebers that slayers players are thanking in the interview are those froM NSHS. So, why could it be that the only NSHS players practiced them? Haters dont say they hate the person, but instead find some ridiculous reason to justify what theyre doing. Just look at you bro, nice try though. oh one more thing, lets assume that jessica didnt keep record of what happened (incl conversation with crank) Then the community is gonna say "wheres the proof!!! she's trying to start a drama!!!' so yes, even though jessica keeping record of everything seems scary, it does help in this kind of situation. You're completely lying. I searched for some random ass interviews. Mvp thanks SlayerS Sleep: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218581Curious thanks SlayerS Puzzle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=274095Ganzi thanks TSL terrans and NSHoseo Shuttle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=261200Clide thanks MMA: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267743Coca thanks a bunch of people: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=270280Mvp thanks MMA (happens in many other interviews too): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=272327MMA thanks Byun and Clide: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=277230Byun thanks Puzzle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=344158 yo bra it seems like these are irrelevant as they were way before the embargo.. read the timeline shit again i know its confusing.. =_= So I'm curious, what's the timeline according to your reading?
lol sorry i dnt mean timeline.. i mean the dates in the articles etc etc..
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