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On October 19 2012 15:46 gengka wrote:
whoever is right or wrong, i hope the decision of disbanding Slayers can be revoked. There is still plenty of unpolished talent in the team like Miya, Dark, Arthur and Brown. Make public recruitment events while keeping the current talent. Clear the old players whose relationships with team are broken and beyond repair. Reunite the remaining players. Maybe Jessica can still be team owner but step down on the management side. Hire experienced Manager and PR and regroup the team. Try to work something out with the Federation. There are no eternal enemies in any kind of business in this world. Or maybe they can merge with other team as well like ZeNex.
Seriously its the saddest thing to see when the team that has the coolest name disappear from the scene. (incredible miracle? wat?) Furthermore, with or without boxer, the Slayers team will forever carry the legacy of boxer since it is name after him and also created by him. The team ending up in this pathetic way will definitely leave a dark spot on boxer's reputation.
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On October 19 2012 15:45 mongmong wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 15:40 Hryul wrote:On October 19 2012 15:17 mongmong wrote:
LOL. Think about why Jessica does all that kind of stuff.
She has been in the acting/entertainment industry for years,
where its full of backstabbing, lies, and other loads of crap. So
yeah, that was necessary and smart move by jessica. Look at how things
turned out now. Coach Won is QQing and accusing jessica without ANY form of evidence,
whereas jessica is backing up her statement with all the evidence. Do you see who looks like an
amateur in this situation? So instead of actually solving the problems of the team she records conversations with teamplayers. I'm very sorry, but she was in charge the whole time and while it may have been bad luck with "Mr. J" I cannot imagine one reason you wouldn't at least attend the most important meetings where your financing is on the line. Or if it is via email, request a (b)cc. Both Boxer and Jessica should have realized that something was going wrong and should have taken appropriate actions. Instead, Boxer left the team and we have a big drama were players need to issue statements about internal stuff. I know it might be that she just got bad luck but there was also Boxer who should have cared about his team and he had experience. It's just that managers need to fix things before the whole company goes down. The worst example is that Alicia isn't informed beforehand that he is going to be released but he gets notified through the very first post if I read the meaning correctly. Something like this is not very professional. ?? how do you solve the problem? It was crank that rang jessica, yells at jessica by saying "Are you trying to ruin my career by involving me with MMa and others ? blah blah blah" and when boxer takes over the phone, he yells again at boxer. Solve the problem while Crank had gone nuts on the phone yelling at Boxer and Jessica, yep it looks like its gonna work out perfectly dude
I'm sorry I don't have the whole situation at hand and I'm not familiar with korean culture. It is just that I expect from a team manage to actually hold the team together and act accordingly. I don't know what would have been best but I know she or boxer should have. They ran the whole frikkin team.
I'll pose the question: Do you think a team manager is not responsible what happens to the team? I figure this is not Japan hit by a tsunami.They always had a choice.
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On October 19 2012 15:50 Hryul wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 15:45 mongmong wrote:On October 19 2012 15:40 Hryul wrote:On October 19 2012 15:17 mongmong wrote:
LOL. Think about why Jessica does all that kind of stuff.
She has been in the acting/entertainment industry for years,
where its full of backstabbing, lies, and other loads of crap. So
yeah, that was necessary and smart move by jessica. Look at how things
turned out now. Coach Won is QQing and accusing jessica without ANY form of evidence,
whereas jessica is backing up her statement with all the evidence. Do you see who looks like an
amateur in this situation? So instead of actually solving the problems of the team she records conversations with teamplayers. I'm very sorry, but she was in charge the whole time and while it may have been bad luck with "Mr. J" I cannot imagine one reason you wouldn't at least attend the most important meetings where your financing is on the line. Or if it is via email, request a (b)cc. Both Boxer and Jessica should have realized that something was going wrong and should have taken appropriate actions. Instead, Boxer left the team and we have a big drama were players need to issue statements about internal stuff. I know it might be that she just got bad luck but there was also Boxer who should have cared about his team and he had experience. It's just that managers need to fix things before the whole company goes down. The worst example is that Alicia isn't informed beforehand that he is going to be released but he gets notified through the very first post if I read the meaning correctly. Something like this is not very professional. ?? how do you solve the problem? It was crank that rang jessica, yells at jessica by saying "Are you trying to ruin my career by involving me with MMa and others ? blah blah blah" and when boxer takes over the phone, he yells again at boxer. Solve the problem while Crank had gone nuts on the phone yelling at Boxer and Jessica, yep it looks like its gonna work out perfectly dude I'm sorry I don't have the whole situation at hand and I'm not familiar with korean culture. It is just that I expect from a team manage to actually hold the team together and act accordingly. I don't know what would have been best but I know she or boxer should have. They ran the whole frikkin team. I'll pose the question: Do you think a team manager is not responsible what happens to the team? I figure this is not Japan hit by a tsunami.They always had a choice.
Crank going full time nuts at jessica and boxer------> cant do anything about it
Alicia crying like a little baby, claiming jessica didnt give shit about him when he went away for NASL 3
-------------> turned out to be bullshit. Jessica tweeted and rang alicia, cheering him up, even sent rice cooker but
Alicia barely replied. Even after alicia took 2nd place, jessica congratulated him.
I can see your point on putting too much faith in manager J, but what do think she wouldve done
after hearing Alicia's main reason for being angry with the team is "i didnt get picked up at the airport im so mad QQ"
Is that professional?
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On October 19 2012 15:34 mongmong wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 15:23 Gorlin wrote:On October 19 2012 15:17 mongmong wrote:On October 19 2012 15:02 ImNightmare wrote:On October 19 2012 14:59 mongmong wrote:On October 18 2012 14:19 lilsusie wrote:
Talked to MMA this morning, he's on the fence about writing his side of it or not because he's afraid that it's gonna get blown up even bigger. But if he doesn't say something then he's afraid the community will think ill of him because of Jessica's words which he says are not completely true. And from knowing MMA in person, he's always been super respectful, I doubt he'd ever "yell" at Boxer (which, I doubt Crank did too; he probably just "talked back" to him which might be considered "yelling" to Jessica).
Part of the conversation I had:
[1:42:50 PM] 문성원: 요환이형이 (Boxer is)
[1:42:51 PM] 문성원: 중간에 껴있어서 (caught in the middle)
[1:42:59 PM] 문성원: 제가 요환이형을 욕할순 없어요 (I can't talk bad about Boxer, rather the implication through context of the whole conversation was "I couldn't talk bad about Boxer [because he respects him])
I am super looking forward to seeing his side of things. I like your opinion about Crank. Jessica says she even recorded him yelling at boxer and jessica Great job defending MMA and Crank despite that 99.9% Korean community is upset about what those two did Come to think of it, Jessica is pretty paranoid about people isn't she? It seems like she always has evidence or records of conversations even during private moments LOL. Think about why Jessica does all that kind of stuff. She has been in the acting/entertainment industry for years, where its full of backstabbing, lies, and other loads of crap. So yeah, that was necessary and smart move by jessica. Look at how things turned out now. Coach Won is QQing and accusing jessica without ANY form of evidence, whereas jessica is backing up her statement with all the evidence. Do you see who looks like an amateur in this situation? Quit trying to romanticize the situation. "Jessica's been in the drama business, full of backstabbing! She's got experience!" That is bullshit. Coach Won admitted it was wrong when they had the practice ban, yet Jessica claims it went on for much longer, yet many many interviews from both SlayerS and non-SlayerS players both show them thanking each other for practice. There's your evidence. What evidence does Jessica have? A recording she recorded that, as lilsusie told us, Crank is completely fine with being released? Doesn't sound like too incriminating of a phone call. What else she got? An email to Nazgul from the completely wrong time period? I hate that I'm having to have this argument, because I'm not one of the people that thinks Jessica is a "crazy bitch" or whatever, but I'd rather attack her arguments than let people listen to them so blindly. Dude, I traced all the interviews back in 2011, and the only non slayers team memebers that slayers players are thanking in the interview are those froM NSHS. So, why could it be that the only NSHS players practiced them? Haters dont say they hate the person, but instead find some ridiculous reason to justify what theyre doing. Just look at you bro, nice try though. oh one more thing, lets assume that jessica didnt keep record of what happened (incl conversation with crank) Then the community is gonna say "wheres the proof!!! she's trying to start a drama!!!' so yes, even though jessica keeping record of everything seems scary, it does help in this kind of situation.
You're completely lying. I searched for some random ass interviews.
Mvp thanks SlayerS Sleep: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218581
Curious thanks SlayerS Puzzle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=274095
Ganzi thanks TSL terrans and NSHoseo Shuttle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=261200
Clide thanks MMA: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267743
Coca thanks a bunch of people: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=270280
Mvp thanks MMA (happens in many other interviews too): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=272327
MMA thanks Byun and Clide: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=277230
Byun thanks Puzzle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=344158
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On October 19 2012 16:06 Gorlin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 15:34 mongmong wrote:On October 19 2012 15:23 Gorlin wrote:On October 19 2012 15:17 mongmong wrote:On October 19 2012 15:02 ImNightmare wrote:On October 19 2012 14:59 mongmong wrote:On October 18 2012 14:19 lilsusie wrote:
Talked to MMA this morning, he's on the fence about writing his side of it or not because he's afraid that it's gonna get blown up even bigger. But if he doesn't say something then he's afraid the community will think ill of him because of Jessica's words which he says are not completely true. And from knowing MMA in person, he's always been super respectful, I doubt he'd ever "yell" at Boxer (which, I doubt Crank did too; he probably just "talked back" to him which might be considered "yelling" to Jessica).
Part of the conversation I had:
[1:42:50 PM] 문성원: 요환이형이 (Boxer is)
[1:42:51 PM] 문성원: 중간에 껴있어서 (caught in the middle)
[1:42:59 PM] 문성원: 제가 요환이형을 욕할순 없어요 (I can't talk bad about Boxer, rather the implication through context of the whole conversation was "I couldn't talk bad about Boxer [because he respects him])
I am super looking forward to seeing his side of things. I like your opinion about Crank. Jessica says she even recorded him yelling at boxer and jessica Great job defending MMA and Crank despite that 99.9% Korean community is upset about what those two did Come to think of it, Jessica is pretty paranoid about people isn't she? It seems like she always has evidence or records of conversations even during private moments LOL. Think about why Jessica does all that kind of stuff. She has been in the acting/entertainment industry for years, where its full of backstabbing, lies, and other loads of crap. So yeah, that was necessary and smart move by jessica. Look at how things turned out now. Coach Won is QQing and accusing jessica without ANY form of evidence, whereas jessica is backing up her statement with all the evidence. Do you see who looks like an amateur in this situation? Quit trying to romanticize the situation. "Jessica's been in the drama business, full of backstabbing! She's got experience!" That is bullshit. Coach Won admitted it was wrong when they had the practice ban, yet Jessica claims it went on for much longer, yet many many interviews from both SlayerS and non-SlayerS players both show them thanking each other for practice. There's your evidence. What evidence does Jessica have? A recording she recorded that, as lilsusie told us, Crank is completely fine with being released? Doesn't sound like too incriminating of a phone call. What else she got? An email to Nazgul from the completely wrong time period? I hate that I'm having to have this argument, because I'm not one of the people that thinks Jessica is a "crazy bitch" or whatever, but I'd rather attack her arguments than let people listen to them so blindly. Dude, I traced all the interviews back in 2011, and the only non slayers team memebers that slayers players are thanking in the interview are those froM NSHS. So, why could it be that the only NSHS players practiced them? Haters dont say they hate the person, but instead find some ridiculous reason to justify what theyre doing. Just look at you bro, nice try though. oh one more thing, lets assume that jessica didnt keep record of what happened (incl conversation with crank) Then the community is gonna say "wheres the proof!!! she's trying to start a drama!!!' so yes, even though jessica keeping record of everything seems scary, it does help in this kind of situation. You're a fucking liar. I searched for some random ass interviews. Mvp thanks SlayerS Sleep: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218581Curious thanks SlayerS Puzzle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=274095Ganzi thanks TSL terrans and NSHoseo Shuttle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=261200Clide thanks MMA: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267743Coca thanks a bunch of people: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=270280
Don't be so hasty on call him him a liar. Like Jessica said multiple times, Slayers helped others practice to get in good terms. They just didn't get any help in return. Only a selected few helped them practice under aliases. TSL and NSHS were also being treated as outcasts by the eSF as well, so it's natural for them to help each other. Genius helped out Slayers practice, and look where he ended up in.
Besides, all the team coaches in eSF made a formal apology to Jessica and Slayers, and Won stepped down as the head of eSF. This is just a repeat of what happened with TSL, so we'll see how Jessica reacts.
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On October 19 2012 16:00 mongmong wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 15:50 Hryul wrote:On October 19 2012 15:45 mongmong wrote:On October 19 2012 15:40 Hryul wrote:On October 19 2012 15:17 mongmong wrote:
LOL. Think about why Jessica does all that kind of stuff.
She has been in the acting/entertainment industry for years,
where its full of backstabbing, lies, and other loads of crap. So
yeah, that was necessary and smart move by jessica. Look at how things
turned out now. Coach Won is QQing and accusing jessica without ANY form of evidence,
whereas jessica is backing up her statement with all the evidence. Do you see who looks like an
amateur in this situation? So instead of actually solving the problems of the team she records conversations with teamplayers. I'm very sorry, but she was in charge the whole time and while it may have been bad luck with "Mr. J" I cannot imagine one reason you wouldn't at least attend the most important meetings where your financing is on the line. Or if it is via email, request a (b)cc. Both Boxer and Jessica should have realized that something was going wrong and should have taken appropriate actions. Instead, Boxer left the team and we have a big drama were players need to issue statements about internal stuff. I know it might be that she just got bad luck but there was also Boxer who should have cared about his team and he had experience. It's just that managers need to fix things before the whole company goes down. The worst example is that Alicia isn't informed beforehand that he is going to be released but he gets notified through the very first post if I read the meaning correctly. Something like this is not very professional. ?? how do you solve the problem? It was crank that rang jessica, yells at jessica by saying "Are you trying to ruin my career by involving me with MMa and others ? blah blah blah" and when boxer takes over the phone, he yells again at boxer. Solve the problem while Crank had gone nuts on the phone yelling at Boxer and Jessica, yep it looks like its gonna work out perfectly dude I'm sorry I don't have the whole situation at hand and I'm not familiar with korean culture. It is just that I expect from a team manage to actually hold the team together and act accordingly. I don't know what would have been best but I know she or boxer should have. They ran the whole frikkin team. I'll pose the question: Do you think a team manager is not responsible what happens to the team? I figure this is not Japan hit by a tsunami.They always had a choice. Crank going full time nuts at jessica and boxer------> cant do anything about it Alicia crying like a little baby, claiming jessica didnt give shit about him when he went away for NASL 3 -------------> turned out to be bullshit. Jessica tweeted and rang alicia, cheering him up, even sent rice cooker but Alicia barely replied. Even after alicia took 2nd place, jessica congratulated him. I can see your point on putting too much faith in manager J, but what do think she wouldve done after hearing Alicia's main reason for being angry with the team is "i didnt get picked up at the airport im so mad QQ" Is that professional?
No it's not. But we don't know what lead to these incidents. Maybe the general team atmosphere was bad, maybe they felt treated unfair or w/e may be the reason.
The point is I'm quite sure these situations could have been avoided by better management or communication. And if people just go random full out retard, then kick them and be done with it. But the frequency these incidents happened compared to other teams point to the conclusion there was something going wrong with the management.
Or to say it with her own words: "SlayerS started off in the best financial situation, with a sponsor in Intel, and Boxer." which is the best starting point a team could have. And now they are the first team with a GSL champion to disband.
*coughNSHScough*
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On October 19 2012 16:15 anrimayu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 16:06 Gorlin wrote:On October 19 2012 15:34 mongmong wrote:On October 19 2012 15:23 Gorlin wrote:On October 19 2012 15:17 mongmong wrote:On October 19 2012 15:02 ImNightmare wrote:On October 19 2012 14:59 mongmong wrote:On October 18 2012 14:19 lilsusie wrote:
Talked to MMA this morning, he's on the fence about writing his side of it or not because he's afraid that it's gonna get blown up even bigger. But if he doesn't say something then he's afraid the community will think ill of him because of Jessica's words which he says are not completely true. And from knowing MMA in person, he's always been super respectful, I doubt he'd ever "yell" at Boxer (which, I doubt Crank did too; he probably just "talked back" to him which might be considered "yelling" to Jessica).
Part of the conversation I had:
[1:42:50 PM] 문성원: 요환이형이 (Boxer is)
[1:42:51 PM] 문성원: 중간에 껴있어서 (caught in the middle)
[1:42:59 PM] 문성원: 제가 요환이형을 욕할순 없어요 (I can't talk bad about Boxer, rather the implication through context of the whole conversation was "I couldn't talk bad about Boxer [because he respects him])
I am super looking forward to seeing his side of things. I like your opinion about Crank. Jessica says she even recorded him yelling at boxer and jessica Great job defending MMA and Crank despite that 99.9% Korean community is upset about what those two did Come to think of it, Jessica is pretty paranoid about people isn't she? It seems like she always has evidence or records of conversations even during private moments LOL. Think about why Jessica does all that kind of stuff. She has been in the acting/entertainment industry for years, where its full of backstabbing, lies, and other loads of crap. So yeah, that was necessary and smart move by jessica. Look at how things turned out now. Coach Won is QQing and accusing jessica without ANY form of evidence, whereas jessica is backing up her statement with all the evidence. Do you see who looks like an amateur in this situation? Quit trying to romanticize the situation. "Jessica's been in the drama business, full of backstabbing! She's got experience!" That is bullshit. Coach Won admitted it was wrong when they had the practice ban, yet Jessica claims it went on for much longer, yet many many interviews from both SlayerS and non-SlayerS players both show them thanking each other for practice. There's your evidence. What evidence does Jessica have? A recording she recorded that, as lilsusie told us, Crank is completely fine with being released? Doesn't sound like too incriminating of a phone call. What else she got? An email to Nazgul from the completely wrong time period? I hate that I'm having to have this argument, because I'm not one of the people that thinks Jessica is a "crazy bitch" or whatever, but I'd rather attack her arguments than let people listen to them so blindly. Dude, I traced all the interviews back in 2011, and the only non slayers team memebers that slayers players are thanking in the interview are those froM NSHS. So, why could it be that the only NSHS players practiced them? Haters dont say they hate the person, but instead find some ridiculous reason to justify what theyre doing. Just look at you bro, nice try though. oh one more thing, lets assume that jessica didnt keep record of what happened (incl conversation with crank) Then the community is gonna say "wheres the proof!!! she's trying to start a drama!!!' so yes, even though jessica keeping record of everything seems scary, it does help in this kind of situation. You're a fucking liar. I searched for some random ass interviews. Mvp thanks SlayerS Sleep: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218581Curious thanks SlayerS Puzzle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=274095Ganzi thanks TSL terrans and NSHoseo Shuttle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=261200Clide thanks MMA: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267743Coca thanks a bunch of people: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=270280 Don't be so hasty on call him him a liar. Like Jessica said multiple times, Slayers helped others practice to get in good terms. They just didn't get any help in return. Only a selected few helped them practice under aliases. TSL and NSHS were also being treated as outcasts by the eSF as well, so it's natural for them to help each other. Genius helped out Slayers practice, and look where he ended up in. Besides, all the team coaches in eSF made a formal apology to Jessica and Slayers, and Won stepped down as the head of eSF. This is just a repeat of what happened with TSL, so we'll see how Jessica reacts.
Circumstances aside, he claimed to have "traced all the interviews back in 2011" and I could find a ton of interviews in a couple minutes finding plenty of people helping each other. Even if it was under an alias, there'd be no point in doing that under an alias if they were going to tell the world that they practice together in an interview. It's not even just the "outcast teams" there, there are players from IM, ST, Prime, whatever.
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Do we still not know what Alicia did???
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On October 19 2012 16:06 Gorlin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 15:34 mongmong wrote:On October 19 2012 15:23 Gorlin wrote:On October 19 2012 15:17 mongmong wrote:On October 19 2012 15:02 ImNightmare wrote:On October 19 2012 14:59 mongmong wrote:On October 18 2012 14:19 lilsusie wrote:
Talked to MMA this morning, he's on the fence about writing his side of it or not because he's afraid that it's gonna get blown up even bigger. But if he doesn't say something then he's afraid the community will think ill of him because of Jessica's words which he says are not completely true. And from knowing MMA in person, he's always been super respectful, I doubt he'd ever "yell" at Boxer (which, I doubt Crank did too; he probably just "talked back" to him which might be considered "yelling" to Jessica).
Part of the conversation I had:
[1:42:50 PM] 문성원: 요환이형이 (Boxer is)
[1:42:51 PM] 문성원: 중간에 껴있어서 (caught in the middle)
[1:42:59 PM] 문성원: 제가 요환이형을 욕할순 없어요 (I can't talk bad about Boxer, rather the implication through context of the whole conversation was "I couldn't talk bad about Boxer [because he respects him])
I am super looking forward to seeing his side of things. I like your opinion about Crank. Jessica says she even recorded him yelling at boxer and jessica Great job defending MMA and Crank despite that 99.9% Korean community is upset about what those two did Come to think of it, Jessica is pretty paranoid about people isn't she? It seems like she always has evidence or records of conversations even during private moments LOL. Think about why Jessica does all that kind of stuff. She has been in the acting/entertainment industry for years, where its full of backstabbing, lies, and other loads of crap. So yeah, that was necessary and smart move by jessica. Look at how things turned out now. Coach Won is QQing and accusing jessica without ANY form of evidence, whereas jessica is backing up her statement with all the evidence. Do you see who looks like an amateur in this situation? Quit trying to romanticize the situation. "Jessica's been in the drama business, full of backstabbing! She's got experience!" That is bullshit. Coach Won admitted it was wrong when they had the practice ban, yet Jessica claims it went on for much longer, yet many many interviews from both SlayerS and non-SlayerS players both show them thanking each other for practice. There's your evidence. What evidence does Jessica have? A recording she recorded that, as lilsusie told us, Crank is completely fine with being released? Doesn't sound like too incriminating of a phone call. What else she got? An email to Nazgul from the completely wrong time period? I hate that I'm having to have this argument, because I'm not one of the people that thinks Jessica is a "crazy bitch" or whatever, but I'd rather attack her arguments than let people listen to them so blindly. Dude, I traced all the interviews back in 2011, and the only non slayers team memebers that slayers players are thanking in the interview are those froM NSHS. So, why could it be that the only NSHS players practiced them? Haters dont say they hate the person, but instead find some ridiculous reason to justify what theyre doing. Just look at you bro, nice try though. oh one more thing, lets assume that jessica didnt keep record of what happened (incl conversation with crank) Then the community is gonna say "wheres the proof!!! she's trying to start a drama!!!' so yes, even though jessica keeping record of everything seems scary, it does help in this kind of situation. You're a fucking liar. I searched for some random ass interviews. Mvp thanks SlayerS Sleep: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218581Curious thanks SlayerS Puzzle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=274095Ganzi thanks TSL terrans and NSHoseo Shuttle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=261200Clide thanks MMA: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267743Coca thanks a bunch of people: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=270280
He's talking about how Slayers was only being allowed to practice with NSHS while the other teams took advantage and got practices in with Slayers when they needed; resulting in Slayers players' interviews where they only thanked NSHS
What you put is
MVP thanking Slayers, irrelevant to your point, supports his suspicion
Curious thanking Slayers, irrelevant to your point, supports his suspicion
Ganzi thanking TSL and NSHS,irrelevant to your point, supports his suspicion(TSL is questionable but it has been said they were outcasted as well for a short period along with Slayers)
Clide thanks MMA of Slayers, irrelevant to your point, supports his suspicion
Coca thanks a bunch of people, supports your point, counters his suspicion.
You gave 5 points and 4 works against you while only 1 works for you. And you call him a f'ing liar...hmm
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On October 19 2012 16:19 Gorlin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 16:15 anrimayu wrote:On October 19 2012 16:06 Gorlin wrote:On October 19 2012 15:34 mongmong wrote:On October 19 2012 15:23 Gorlin wrote:On October 19 2012 15:17 mongmong wrote:On October 19 2012 15:02 ImNightmare wrote:On October 19 2012 14:59 mongmong wrote:On October 18 2012 14:19 lilsusie wrote:
Talked to MMA this morning, he's on the fence about writing his side of it or not because he's afraid that it's gonna get blown up even bigger. But if he doesn't say something then he's afraid the community will think ill of him because of Jessica's words which he says are not completely true. And from knowing MMA in person, he's always been super respectful, I doubt he'd ever "yell" at Boxer (which, I doubt Crank did too; he probably just "talked back" to him which might be considered "yelling" to Jessica).
Part of the conversation I had:
[1:42:50 PM] 문성원: 요환이형이 (Boxer is)
[1:42:51 PM] 문성원: 중간에 껴있어서 (caught in the middle)
[1:42:59 PM] 문성원: 제가 요환이형을 욕할순 없어요 (I can't talk bad about Boxer, rather the implication through context of the whole conversation was "I couldn't talk bad about Boxer [because he respects him])
I am super looking forward to seeing his side of things. I like your opinion about Crank. Jessica says she even recorded him yelling at boxer and jessica Great job defending MMA and Crank despite that 99.9% Korean community is upset about what those two did Come to think of it, Jessica is pretty paranoid about people isn't she? It seems like she always has evidence or records of conversations even during private moments LOL. Think about why Jessica does all that kind of stuff. She has been in the acting/entertainment industry for years, where its full of backstabbing, lies, and other loads of crap. So yeah, that was necessary and smart move by jessica. Look at how things turned out now. Coach Won is QQing and accusing jessica without ANY form of evidence, whereas jessica is backing up her statement with all the evidence. Do you see who looks like an amateur in this situation? Quit trying to romanticize the situation. "Jessica's been in the drama business, full of backstabbing! She's got experience!" That is bullshit. Coach Won admitted it was wrong when they had the practice ban, yet Jessica claims it went on for much longer, yet many many interviews from both SlayerS and non-SlayerS players both show them thanking each other for practice. There's your evidence. What evidence does Jessica have? A recording she recorded that, as lilsusie told us, Crank is completely fine with being released? Doesn't sound like too incriminating of a phone call. What else she got? An email to Nazgul from the completely wrong time period? I hate that I'm having to have this argument, because I'm not one of the people that thinks Jessica is a "crazy bitch" or whatever, but I'd rather attack her arguments than let people listen to them so blindly. Dude, I traced all the interviews back in 2011, and the only non slayers team memebers that slayers players are thanking in the interview are those froM NSHS. So, why could it be that the only NSHS players practiced them? Haters dont say they hate the person, but instead find some ridiculous reason to justify what theyre doing. Just look at you bro, nice try though. oh one more thing, lets assume that jessica didnt keep record of what happened (incl conversation with crank) Then the community is gonna say "wheres the proof!!! she's trying to start a drama!!!' so yes, even though jessica keeping record of everything seems scary, it does help in this kind of situation. You're a fucking liar. I searched for some random ass interviews. Mvp thanks SlayerS Sleep: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218581Curious thanks SlayerS Puzzle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=274095Ganzi thanks TSL terrans and NSHoseo Shuttle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=261200Clide thanks MMA: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267743Coca thanks a bunch of people: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=270280 Don't be so hasty on call him him a liar. Like Jessica said multiple times, Slayers helped others practice to get in good terms. They just didn't get any help in return. Only a selected few helped them practice under aliases. TSL and NSHS were also being treated as outcasts by the eSF as well, so it's natural for them to help each other. Genius helped out Slayers practice, and look where he ended up in. Besides, all the team coaches in eSF made a formal apology to Jessica and Slayers, and Won stepped down as the head of eSF. This is just a repeat of what happened with TSL, so we'll see how Jessica reacts. Circumstances aside, he claimed to have "traced all the interviews back in 2011" and I could find a ton of interviews in a couple minutes finding plenty of people helping each other. Even if it was under an alias, there'd be no point in doing that under an alias if they were going to tell the world that they practice together in an interview. It's not even just the "outcast teams" there, there are players from IM, ST, Prime, whatever.
I see where you're coming from, but that's just a speculation. I'm saying this based on the formal apology released by eSF, and the team coaches of ST, IM, MVP, Prime, FXO, and NSHS names were signed. Bottom line is, they abused their powers and singled out Slayers, and Jessica spoke the truth.
http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=1316628
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On October 19 2012 16:21 Nostalgia.NA wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 16:06 Gorlin wrote:On October 19 2012 15:34 mongmong wrote:On October 19 2012 15:23 Gorlin wrote:On October 19 2012 15:17 mongmong wrote:On October 19 2012 15:02 ImNightmare wrote:On October 19 2012 14:59 mongmong wrote:On October 18 2012 14:19 lilsusie wrote:
Talked to MMA this morning, he's on the fence about writing his side of it or not because he's afraid that it's gonna get blown up even bigger. But if he doesn't say something then he's afraid the community will think ill of him because of Jessica's words which he says are not completely true. And from knowing MMA in person, he's always been super respectful, I doubt he'd ever "yell" at Boxer (which, I doubt Crank did too; he probably just "talked back" to him which might be considered "yelling" to Jessica).
Part of the conversation I had:
[1:42:50 PM] 문성원: 요환이형이 (Boxer is)
[1:42:51 PM] 문성원: 중간에 껴있어서 (caught in the middle)
[1:42:59 PM] 문성원: 제가 요환이형을 욕할순 없어요 (I can't talk bad about Boxer, rather the implication through context of the whole conversation was "I couldn't talk bad about Boxer [because he respects him])
I am super looking forward to seeing his side of things. I like your opinion about Crank. Jessica says she even recorded him yelling at boxer and jessica Great job defending MMA and Crank despite that 99.9% Korean community is upset about what those two did Come to think of it, Jessica is pretty paranoid about people isn't she? It seems like she always has evidence or records of conversations even during private moments LOL. Think about why Jessica does all that kind of stuff. She has been in the acting/entertainment industry for years, where its full of backstabbing, lies, and other loads of crap. So yeah, that was necessary and smart move by jessica. Look at how things turned out now. Coach Won is QQing and accusing jessica without ANY form of evidence, whereas jessica is backing up her statement with all the evidence. Do you see who looks like an amateur in this situation? Quit trying to romanticize the situation. "Jessica's been in the drama business, full of backstabbing! She's got experience!" That is bullshit. Coach Won admitted it was wrong when they had the practice ban, yet Jessica claims it went on for much longer, yet many many interviews from both SlayerS and non-SlayerS players both show them thanking each other for practice. There's your evidence. What evidence does Jessica have? A recording she recorded that, as lilsusie told us, Crank is completely fine with being released? Doesn't sound like too incriminating of a phone call. What else she got? An email to Nazgul from the completely wrong time period? I hate that I'm having to have this argument, because I'm not one of the people that thinks Jessica is a "crazy bitch" or whatever, but I'd rather attack her arguments than let people listen to them so blindly. Dude, I traced all the interviews back in 2011, and the only non slayers team memebers that slayers players are thanking in the interview are those froM NSHS. So, why could it be that the only NSHS players practiced them? Haters dont say they hate the person, but instead find some ridiculous reason to justify what theyre doing. Just look at you bro, nice try though. oh one more thing, lets assume that jessica didnt keep record of what happened (incl conversation with crank) Then the community is gonna say "wheres the proof!!! she's trying to start a drama!!!' so yes, even though jessica keeping record of everything seems scary, it does help in this kind of situation. You're a fucking liar. I searched for some random ass interviews. Mvp thanks SlayerS Sleep: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218581Curious thanks SlayerS Puzzle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=274095Ganzi thanks TSL terrans and NSHoseo Shuttle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=261200Clide thanks MMA: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267743Coca thanks a bunch of people: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=270280 He's talking about how Slayers was only being allowed to practice with NSHS while the other teams took advantage and got practices in with Slayers when they needed; resulting in Slayers players' interviews where they only thanked NSHS What you put is MVP thanking Slayers, irrelevant to your point, supports his suspicion Curious thanking Slayers, irrelevant to your point, supports his suspicion Ganzi thanking TSL and NSHS,irrelevant to your point, supports his suspicion(TSL is questionable but it has been said they were outcasted as well for a short period along with Slayers) Clide thanks MMA of Slayers, irrelevant to your point, supports his suspicion Coca thanks a bunch of people, supports your point, counters his suspicion. You gave 5 points and 4 works against you while only 1 works for you. And you call him a f'ing liar...hmm
Ah I see now, I suppose I did misinterpret him. I edited out the "f'ing", was uncalled for, sorry to both of you. I'll look again later, as I have a bunch of work to get done, but even so, I am confident I'll be able to find more sources. (I don't retract that he was lying though)
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On October 19 2012 16:25 anrimayu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 16:19 Gorlin wrote:On October 19 2012 16:15 anrimayu wrote:On October 19 2012 16:06 Gorlin wrote:On October 19 2012 15:34 mongmong wrote:On October 19 2012 15:23 Gorlin wrote:On October 19 2012 15:17 mongmong wrote:On October 19 2012 15:02 ImNightmare wrote:On October 19 2012 14:59 mongmong wrote:On October 18 2012 14:19 lilsusie wrote:
Talked to MMA this morning, he's on the fence about writing his side of it or not because he's afraid that it's gonna get blown up even bigger. But if he doesn't say something then he's afraid the community will think ill of him because of Jessica's words which he says are not completely true. And from knowing MMA in person, he's always been super respectful, I doubt he'd ever "yell" at Boxer (which, I doubt Crank did too; he probably just "talked back" to him which might be considered "yelling" to Jessica).
Part of the conversation I had:
[1:42:50 PM] 문성원: 요환이형이 (Boxer is)
[1:42:51 PM] 문성원: 중간에 껴있어서 (caught in the middle)
[1:42:59 PM] 문성원: 제가 요환이형을 욕할순 없어요 (I can't talk bad about Boxer, rather the implication through context of the whole conversation was "I couldn't talk bad about Boxer [because he respects him])
I am super looking forward to seeing his side of things. I like your opinion about Crank. Jessica says she even recorded him yelling at boxer and jessica Great job defending MMA and Crank despite that 99.9% Korean community is upset about what those two did Come to think of it, Jessica is pretty paranoid about people isn't she? It seems like she always has evidence or records of conversations even during private moments LOL. Think about why Jessica does all that kind of stuff. She has been in the acting/entertainment industry for years, where its full of backstabbing, lies, and other loads of crap. So yeah, that was necessary and smart move by jessica. Look at how things turned out now. Coach Won is QQing and accusing jessica without ANY form of evidence, whereas jessica is backing up her statement with all the evidence. Do you see who looks like an amateur in this situation? Quit trying to romanticize the situation. "Jessica's been in the drama business, full of backstabbing! She's got experience!" That is bullshit. Coach Won admitted it was wrong when they had the practice ban, yet Jessica claims it went on for much longer, yet many many interviews from both SlayerS and non-SlayerS players both show them thanking each other for practice. There's your evidence. What evidence does Jessica have? A recording she recorded that, as lilsusie told us, Crank is completely fine with being released? Doesn't sound like too incriminating of a phone call. What else she got? An email to Nazgul from the completely wrong time period? I hate that I'm having to have this argument, because I'm not one of the people that thinks Jessica is a "crazy bitch" or whatever, but I'd rather attack her arguments than let people listen to them so blindly. Dude, I traced all the interviews back in 2011, and the only non slayers team memebers that slayers players are thanking in the interview are those froM NSHS. So, why could it be that the only NSHS players practiced them? Haters dont say they hate the person, but instead find some ridiculous reason to justify what theyre doing. Just look at you bro, nice try though. oh one more thing, lets assume that jessica didnt keep record of what happened (incl conversation with crank) Then the community is gonna say "wheres the proof!!! she's trying to start a drama!!!' so yes, even though jessica keeping record of everything seems scary, it does help in this kind of situation. You're a fucking liar. I searched for some random ass interviews. Mvp thanks SlayerS Sleep: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218581Curious thanks SlayerS Puzzle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=274095Ganzi thanks TSL terrans and NSHoseo Shuttle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=261200Clide thanks MMA: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267743Coca thanks a bunch of people: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=270280 Don't be so hasty on call him him a liar. Like Jessica said multiple times, Slayers helped others practice to get in good terms. They just didn't get any help in return. Only a selected few helped them practice under aliases. TSL and NSHS were also being treated as outcasts by the eSF as well, so it's natural for them to help each other. Genius helped out Slayers practice, and look where he ended up in. Besides, all the team coaches in eSF made a formal apology to Jessica and Slayers, and Won stepped down as the head of eSF. This is just a repeat of what happened with TSL, so we'll see how Jessica reacts. Circumstances aside, he claimed to have "traced all the interviews back in 2011" and I could find a ton of interviews in a couple minutes finding plenty of people helping each other. Even if it was under an alias, there'd be no point in doing that under an alias if they were going to tell the world that they practice together in an interview. It's not even just the "outcast teams" there, there are players from IM, ST, Prime, whatever. I see where you're coming from, but that's just a speculation. I'm saying this based on the formal apology released by eSF, and the team coaches of ST, IM, MVP, Prime, FXO, and NSHS names were signed. Bottom line is, they abused their powers and singled out Slayers, and Jessica spoke the truth. http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=1316628
Could one of you show me where Jessica said teams took advantage of SlayerS and be helped, but not help them? I don't remember ever reading that, and I couldn't find it in my brief search through the translations.
Also, I had not yet seen that apology from ESF and Won. Do you know of a translation of it?
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Puzzle!? Noo! :-( Shocking news though, I really never imagined that it was this bad in the SlayerS camp... :-/
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On October 19 2012 16:18 Hryul wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 16:00 mongmong wrote:On October 19 2012 15:50 Hryul wrote:On October 19 2012 15:45 mongmong wrote:On October 19 2012 15:40 Hryul wrote:On October 19 2012 15:17 mongmong wrote:
LOL. Think about why Jessica does all that kind of stuff.
She has been in the acting/entertainment industry for years,
where its full of backstabbing, lies, and other loads of crap. So
yeah, that was necessary and smart move by jessica. Look at how things
turned out now. Coach Won is QQing and accusing jessica without ANY form of evidence,
whereas jessica is backing up her statement with all the evidence. Do you see who looks like an
amateur in this situation? So instead of actually solving the problems of the team she records conversations with teamplayers. I'm very sorry, but she was in charge the whole time and while it may have been bad luck with "Mr. J" I cannot imagine one reason you wouldn't at least attend the most important meetings where your financing is on the line. Or if it is via email, request a (b)cc. Both Boxer and Jessica should have realized that something was going wrong and should have taken appropriate actions. Instead, Boxer left the team and we have a big drama were players need to issue statements about internal stuff. I know it might be that she just got bad luck but there was also Boxer who should have cared about his team and he had experience. It's just that managers need to fix things before the whole company goes down. The worst example is that Alicia isn't informed beforehand that he is going to be released but he gets notified through the very first post if I read the meaning correctly. Something like this is not very professional. ?? how do you solve the problem? It was crank that rang jessica, yells at jessica by saying "Are you trying to ruin my career by involving me with MMa and others ? blah blah blah" and when boxer takes over the phone, he yells again at boxer. Solve the problem while Crank had gone nuts on the phone yelling at Boxer and Jessica, yep it looks like its gonna work out perfectly dude I'm sorry I don't have the whole situation at hand and I'm not familiar with korean culture. It is just that I expect from a team manage to actually hold the team together and act accordingly. I don't know what would have been best but I know she or boxer should have. They ran the whole frikkin team. I'll pose the question: Do you think a team manager is not responsible what happens to the team? I figure this is not Japan hit by a tsunami.They always had a choice. Crank going full time nuts at jessica and boxer------> cant do anything about it Alicia crying like a little baby, claiming jessica didnt give shit about him when he went away for NASL 3 -------------> turned out to be bullshit. Jessica tweeted and rang alicia, cheering him up, even sent rice cooker but Alicia barely replied. Even after alicia took 2nd place, jessica congratulated him. I can see your point on putting too much faith in manager J, but what do think she wouldve done after hearing Alicia's main reason for being angry with the team is "i didnt get picked up at the airport im so mad QQ" Is that professional? No it's not. But we don't know what lead to these incidents. Maybe the general team atmosphere was bad, maybe they felt treated unfair or w/e may be the reason. The point is I'm quite sure these situations could have been avoided by better management or communication. And if people just go random full out retard, then kick them and be done with it. But the frequency these incidents happened compared to other teams point to the conclusion there was something going wrong with the management. Or to say it with her own words: "SlayerS started off in the best financial situation, with a sponsor in Intel, and Boxer." which is the best starting point a team could have. And now they are the first team with a GSL champion to disband. *coughNSHScough*
I agree that its the managers job to hold the team together, but that doesn't make anyone acting like a dick in this situation any less of a dick. IF there are players acting foolish, they are still fools regardless of how Jessica or Boxer handled the situation. Jessica and Boxer weren't their parents. They didn't nurture or raise these guys. Just like we can't absolve Jessica of all responsibility, we can't justifiably lay all or even most of the blame on her just because shes the manager.
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Time will reveal all. It's not like BoxeR not to release a statement. I honestly wonder what the truth is. Embezzlement is quite a serious matter, but every thing has a paper trail. If it's true, it will be quite easy to prove. If it isn't then people should reconsider their opinions.
Maybe there were things the players saw e.g. a new car, some new jewelery even though the team wasn't doing well. That + rumours can go a long way.
Right now, all we can do speculate or withhold judgement. I support BoxeR, I hope he gets on but we will have to wait for what he says.
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On October 19 2012 15:09 ImNightmare wrote:
Edit: btw did TB say anything about the crank issue? He doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would let his player get criticised without saying anything about it
I'll be releasing a statement from both CranK and Axiom management at the appropriate time. Lot more going on behind the scenes that most people know and the timing of the statement is important.
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On October 19 2012 16:28 Gorlin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 16:21 Nostalgia.NA wrote:On October 19 2012 16:06 Gorlin wrote:On October 19 2012 15:34 mongmong wrote:On October 19 2012 15:23 Gorlin wrote:On October 19 2012 15:17 mongmong wrote:On October 19 2012 15:02 ImNightmare wrote:On October 19 2012 14:59 mongmong wrote:On October 18 2012 14:19 lilsusie wrote:
Talked to MMA this morning, he's on the fence about writing his side of it or not because he's afraid that it's gonna get blown up even bigger. But if he doesn't say something then he's afraid the community will think ill of him because of Jessica's words which he says are not completely true. And from knowing MMA in person, he's always been super respectful, I doubt he'd ever "yell" at Boxer (which, I doubt Crank did too; he probably just "talked back" to him which might be considered "yelling" to Jessica).
Part of the conversation I had:
[1:42:50 PM] 문성원: 요환이형이 (Boxer is)
[1:42:51 PM] 문성원: 중간에 껴있어서 (caught in the middle)
[1:42:59 PM] 문성원: 제가 요환이형을 욕할순 없어요 (I can't talk bad about Boxer, rather the implication through context of the whole conversation was "I couldn't talk bad about Boxer [because he respects him])
I am super looking forward to seeing his side of things. I like your opinion about Crank. Jessica says she even recorded him yelling at boxer and jessica Great job defending MMA and Crank despite that 99.9% Korean community is upset about what those two did Come to think of it, Jessica is pretty paranoid about people isn't she? It seems like she always has evidence or records of conversations even during private moments LOL. Think about why Jessica does all that kind of stuff. She has been in the acting/entertainment industry for years, where its full of backstabbing, lies, and other loads of crap. So yeah, that was necessary and smart move by jessica. Look at how things turned out now. Coach Won is QQing and accusing jessica without ANY form of evidence, whereas jessica is backing up her statement with all the evidence. Do you see who looks like an amateur in this situation? Quit trying to romanticize the situation. "Jessica's been in the drama business, full of backstabbing! She's got experience!" That is bullshit. Coach Won admitted it was wrong when they had the practice ban, yet Jessica claims it went on for much longer, yet many many interviews from both SlayerS and non-SlayerS players both show them thanking each other for practice. There's your evidence. What evidence does Jessica have? A recording she recorded that, as lilsusie told us, Crank is completely fine with being released? Doesn't sound like too incriminating of a phone call. What else she got? An email to Nazgul from the completely wrong time period? I hate that I'm having to have this argument, because I'm not one of the people that thinks Jessica is a "crazy bitch" or whatever, but I'd rather attack her arguments than let people listen to them so blindly. Dude, I traced all the interviews back in 2011, and the only non slayers team memebers that slayers players are thanking in the interview are those froM NSHS. So, why could it be that the only NSHS players practiced them? Haters dont say they hate the person, but instead find some ridiculous reason to justify what theyre doing. Just look at you bro, nice try though. oh one more thing, lets assume that jessica didnt keep record of what happened (incl conversation with crank) Then the community is gonna say "wheres the proof!!! she's trying to start a drama!!!' so yes, even though jessica keeping record of everything seems scary, it does help in this kind of situation. You're a fucking liar. I searched for some random ass interviews. Mvp thanks SlayerS Sleep: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218581Curious thanks SlayerS Puzzle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=274095Ganzi thanks TSL terrans and NSHoseo Shuttle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=261200Clide thanks MMA: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267743Coca thanks a bunch of people: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=270280 He's talking about how Slayers was only being allowed to practice with NSHS while the other teams took advantage and got practices in with Slayers when they needed; resulting in Slayers players' interviews where they only thanked NSHS What you put is MVP thanking Slayers, irrelevant to your point, supports his suspicion Curious thanking Slayers, irrelevant to your point, supports his suspicion Ganzi thanking TSL and NSHS,irrelevant to your point, supports his suspicion(TSL is questionable but it has been said they were outcasted as well for a short period along with Slayers) Clide thanks MMA of Slayers, irrelevant to your point, supports his suspicion Coca thanks a bunch of people, supports your point, counters his suspicion. You gave 5 points and 4 works against you while only 1 works for you. And you call him a f'ing liar...hmm Ah I see now, I suppose I did misinterpret him. I edited out the "f'ing", was uncalled for, sorry to both of you. I'll look again later, as I have a bunch of work to get done, but even so, I am confident I'll be able to find more sources. (I don't retract that he was lying though) edit: Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 16:25 anrimayu wrote:On October 19 2012 16:19 Gorlin wrote:On October 19 2012 16:15 anrimayu wrote:On October 19 2012 16:06 Gorlin wrote:On October 19 2012 15:34 mongmong wrote:On October 19 2012 15:23 Gorlin wrote:On October 19 2012 15:17 mongmong wrote:On October 19 2012 15:02 ImNightmare wrote:On October 19 2012 14:59 mongmong wrote:
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I like your opinion about Crank.
Jessica says she even recorded him yelling at boxer and jessica
Great job defending MMA and Crank despite that 99.9% Korean community is
upset about what those two did Come to think of it, Jessica is pretty paranoid about people isn't she? It seems like she always has evidence or records of conversations even during private moments LOL. Think about why Jessica does all that kind of stuff. She has been in the acting/entertainment industry for years, where its full of backstabbing, lies, and other loads of crap. So yeah, that was necessary and smart move by jessica. Look at how things turned out now. Coach Won is QQing and accusing jessica without ANY form of evidence, whereas jessica is backing up her statement with all the evidence. Do you see who looks like an amateur in this situation? Quit trying to romanticize the situation. "Jessica's been in the drama business, full of backstabbing! She's got experience!" That is bullshit. Coach Won admitted it was wrong when they had the practice ban, yet Jessica claims it went on for much longer, yet many many interviews from both SlayerS and non-SlayerS players both show them thanking each other for practice. There's your evidence. What evidence does Jessica have? A recording she recorded that, as lilsusie told us, Crank is completely fine with being released? Doesn't sound like too incriminating of a phone call. What else she got? An email to Nazgul from the completely wrong time period? I hate that I'm having to have this argument, because I'm not one of the people that thinks Jessica is a "crazy bitch" or whatever, but I'd rather attack her arguments than let people listen to them so blindly. Dude, I traced all the interviews back in 2011, and the only non slayers team memebers that slayers players are thanking in the interview are those froM NSHS. So, why could it be that the only NSHS players practiced them? Haters dont say they hate the person, but instead find some ridiculous reason to justify what theyre doing. Just look at you bro, nice try though. oh one more thing, lets assume that jessica didnt keep record of what happened (incl conversation with crank) Then the community is gonna say "wheres the proof!!! she's trying to start a drama!!!' so yes, even though jessica keeping record of everything seems scary, it does help in this kind of situation. You're a fucking liar. I searched for some random ass interviews. Mvp thanks SlayerS Sleep: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218581Curious thanks SlayerS Puzzle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=274095Ganzi thanks TSL terrans and NSHoseo Shuttle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=261200Clide thanks MMA: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267743Coca thanks a bunch of people: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=270280 Don't be so hasty on call him him a liar. Like Jessica said multiple times, Slayers helped others practice to get in good terms. They just didn't get any help in return. Only a selected few helped them practice under aliases. TSL and NSHS were also being treated as outcasts by the eSF as well, so it's natural for them to help each other. Genius helped out Slayers practice, and look where he ended up in. Besides, all the team coaches in eSF made a formal apology to Jessica and Slayers, and Won stepped down as the head of eSF. This is just a repeat of what happened with TSL, so we'll see how Jessica reacts. Circumstances aside, he claimed to have "traced all the interviews back in 2011" and I could find a ton of interviews in a couple minutes finding plenty of people helping each other. Even if it was under an alias, there'd be no point in doing that under an alias if they were going to tell the world that they practice together in an interview. It's not even just the "outcast teams" there, there are players from IM, ST, Prime, whatever. I see where you're coming from, but that's just a speculation. I'm saying this based on the formal apology released by eSF, and the team coaches of ST, IM, MVP, Prime, FXO, and NSHS names were signed. Bottom line is, they abused their powers and singled out Slayers, and Jessica spoke the truth. http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=1316628 Could one of you show me where Jessica said teams took advantage of SlayerS and be helped, but not help them? I don't remember ever reading that, and I couldn't find it in my brief search through the translations. Also, I had not yet seen that apology from ESF and Won. Do you know of a translation of it?
That article is 20minutes old, so i don't think there is any yet. Things are all over the place, so it's really hard to keep track of everything that goes on. It's worse if you have to wait for translations. Lot of details are never translated, so I'm sure that is one of them. I haven't seen a translation of Startale Coach Won complaining how he's innocent, and Jessica/Boxer are being selfish and ruining things for everyone. Reading that after Won, along with every other team coaches, accepts all the responsibility and apologizes to Slayers is just hilarious.
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On October 19 2012 16:28 Gorlin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 16:21 Nostalgia.NA wrote:On October 19 2012 16:06 Gorlin wrote:On October 19 2012 15:34 mongmong wrote:On October 19 2012 15:23 Gorlin wrote:On October 19 2012 15:17 mongmong wrote:On October 19 2012 15:02 ImNightmare wrote:On October 19 2012 14:59 mongmong wrote:On October 18 2012 14:19 lilsusie wrote:
Talked to MMA this morning, he's on the fence about writing his side of it or not because he's afraid that it's gonna get blown up even bigger. But if he doesn't say something then he's afraid the community will think ill of him because of Jessica's words which he says are not completely true. And from knowing MMA in person, he's always been super respectful, I doubt he'd ever "yell" at Boxer (which, I doubt Crank did too; he probably just "talked back" to him which might be considered "yelling" to Jessica).
Part of the conversation I had:
[1:42:50 PM] 문성원: 요환이형이 (Boxer is)
[1:42:51 PM] 문성원: 중간에 껴있어서 (caught in the middle)
[1:42:59 PM] 문성원: 제가 요환이형을 욕할순 없어요 (I can't talk bad about Boxer, rather the implication through context of the whole conversation was "I couldn't talk bad about Boxer [because he respects him])
I am super looking forward to seeing his side of things. I like your opinion about Crank. Jessica says she even recorded him yelling at boxer and jessica Great job defending MMA and Crank despite that 99.9% Korean community is upset about what those two did Come to think of it, Jessica is pretty paranoid about people isn't she? It seems like she always has evidence or records of conversations even during private moments LOL. Think about why Jessica does all that kind of stuff. She has been in the acting/entertainment industry for years, where its full of backstabbing, lies, and other loads of crap. So yeah, that was necessary and smart move by jessica. Look at how things turned out now. Coach Won is QQing and accusing jessica without ANY form of evidence, whereas jessica is backing up her statement with all the evidence. Do you see who looks like an amateur in this situation? Quit trying to romanticize the situation. "Jessica's been in the drama business, full of backstabbing! She's got experience!" That is bullshit. Coach Won admitted it was wrong when they had the practice ban, yet Jessica claims it went on for much longer, yet many many interviews from both SlayerS and non-SlayerS players both show them thanking each other for practice. There's your evidence. What evidence does Jessica have? A recording she recorded that, as lilsusie told us, Crank is completely fine with being released? Doesn't sound like too incriminating of a phone call. What else she got? An email to Nazgul from the completely wrong time period? I hate that I'm having to have this argument, because I'm not one of the people that thinks Jessica is a "crazy bitch" or whatever, but I'd rather attack her arguments than let people listen to them so blindly. Dude, I traced all the interviews back in 2011, and the only non slayers team memebers that slayers players are thanking in the interview are those froM NSHS. So, why could it be that the only NSHS players practiced them? Haters dont say they hate the person, but instead find some ridiculous reason to justify what theyre doing. Just look at you bro, nice try though. oh one more thing, lets assume that jessica didnt keep record of what happened (incl conversation with crank) Then the community is gonna say "wheres the proof!!! she's trying to start a drama!!!' so yes, even though jessica keeping record of everything seems scary, it does help in this kind of situation. You're a fucking liar. I searched for some random ass interviews. Mvp thanks SlayerS Sleep: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218581Curious thanks SlayerS Puzzle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=274095Ganzi thanks TSL terrans and NSHoseo Shuttle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=261200Clide thanks MMA: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267743Coca thanks a bunch of people: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=270280 He's talking about how Slayers was only being allowed to practice with NSHS while the other teams took advantage and got practices in with Slayers when they needed; resulting in Slayers players' interviews where they only thanked NSHS What you put is MVP thanking Slayers, irrelevant to your point, supports his suspicion Curious thanking Slayers, irrelevant to your point, supports his suspicion Ganzi thanking TSL and NSHS,irrelevant to your point, supports his suspicion(TSL is questionable but it has been said they were outcasted as well for a short period along with Slayers) Clide thanks MMA of Slayers, irrelevant to your point, supports his suspicion Coca thanks a bunch of people, supports your point, counters his suspicion. You gave 5 points and 4 works against you while only 1 works for you. And you call him a f'ing liar...hmm Ah I see now, I suppose I did misinterpret him. I edited out the "f'ing", was uncalled for, sorry to both of you. I'll look again later, as I have a bunch of work to get done, but even so, I am confident I'll be able to find more sources. (I don't retract that he was lying though) edit: Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 16:25 anrimayu wrote:On October 19 2012 16:19 Gorlin wrote:On October 19 2012 16:15 anrimayu wrote:On October 19 2012 16:06 Gorlin wrote:On October 19 2012 15:34 mongmong wrote:On October 19 2012 15:23 Gorlin wrote:On October 19 2012 15:17 mongmong wrote:On October 19 2012 15:02 ImNightmare wrote:On October 19 2012 14:59 mongmong wrote:
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I like your opinion about Crank.
Jessica says she even recorded him yelling at boxer and jessica
Great job defending MMA and Crank despite that 99.9% Korean community is
upset about what those two did Come to think of it, Jessica is pretty paranoid about people isn't she? It seems like she always has evidence or records of conversations even during private moments LOL. Think about why Jessica does all that kind of stuff. She has been in the acting/entertainment industry for years, where its full of backstabbing, lies, and other loads of crap. So yeah, that was necessary and smart move by jessica. Look at how things turned out now. Coach Won is QQing and accusing jessica without ANY form of evidence, whereas jessica is backing up her statement with all the evidence. Do you see who looks like an amateur in this situation? Quit trying to romanticize the situation. "Jessica's been in the drama business, full of backstabbing! She's got experience!" That is bullshit. Coach Won admitted it was wrong when they had the practice ban, yet Jessica claims it went on for much longer, yet many many interviews from both SlayerS and non-SlayerS players both show them thanking each other for practice. There's your evidence. What evidence does Jessica have? A recording she recorded that, as lilsusie told us, Crank is completely fine with being released? Doesn't sound like too incriminating of a phone call. What else she got? An email to Nazgul from the completely wrong time period? I hate that I'm having to have this argument, because I'm not one of the people that thinks Jessica is a "crazy bitch" or whatever, but I'd rather attack her arguments than let people listen to them so blindly. Dude, I traced all the interviews back in 2011, and the only non slayers team memebers that slayers players are thanking in the interview are those froM NSHS. So, why could it be that the only NSHS players practiced them? Haters dont say they hate the person, but instead find some ridiculous reason to justify what theyre doing. Just look at you bro, nice try though. oh one more thing, lets assume that jessica didnt keep record of what happened (incl conversation with crank) Then the community is gonna say "wheres the proof!!! she's trying to start a drama!!!' so yes, even though jessica keeping record of everything seems scary, it does help in this kind of situation. You're a fucking liar. I searched for some random ass interviews. Mvp thanks SlayerS Sleep: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218581Curious thanks SlayerS Puzzle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=274095Ganzi thanks TSL terrans and NSHoseo Shuttle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=261200Clide thanks MMA: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267743Coca thanks a bunch of people: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=270280 Don't be so hasty on call him him a liar. Like Jessica said multiple times, Slayers helped others practice to get in good terms. They just didn't get any help in return. Only a selected few helped them practice under aliases. TSL and NSHS were also being treated as outcasts by the eSF as well, so it's natural for them to help each other. Genius helped out Slayers practice, and look where he ended up in. Besides, all the team coaches in eSF made a formal apology to Jessica and Slayers, and Won stepped down as the head of eSF. This is just a repeat of what happened with TSL, so we'll see how Jessica reacts. Circumstances aside, he claimed to have "traced all the interviews back in 2011" and I could find a ton of interviews in a couple minutes finding plenty of people helping each other. Even if it was under an alias, there'd be no point in doing that under an alias if they were going to tell the world that they practice together in an interview. It's not even just the "outcast teams" there, there are players from IM, ST, Prime, whatever. I see where you're coming from, but that's just a speculation. I'm saying this based on the formal apology released by eSF, and the team coaches of ST, IM, MVP, Prime, FXO, and NSHS names were signed. Bottom line is, they abused their powers and singled out Slayers, and Jessica spoke the truth. http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=1316628 Could one of you show me where Jessica said teams took advantage of SlayerS and be helped, but not help them? I don't remember ever reading that, and I couldn't find it in my brief search through the translations. Also, I had not yet seen that apology from ESF and Won. Do you know of a translation of it?
It's under the NASL Deposit section towards the end:
+ Show Spoiler +They never requested any reconciliation. When they were continuing to ostracize SlayerS and cutting us out of practice, Mr.Won would always tell me there was no such practice-ban whenever I contacted him. However, players say that the head coaches ordered them not to practice with our players, so I don't know what is the truth. It's laughable that players would accept such orders so easily.
At the same time, they selfishly asked our players to help them practice. You might have seen them thank our players in interviews on occasion.
Even Sleep, who isn't part of SlayerS but staying at our team house, received the same disadvantages, just because he was staying at our house. Even now, this pratice-ban is still going on. If Mr.Won can confidently say that the ban was lifted, and what I'm saying is false, then he's welcome to come out officially.
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On October 19 2012 16:45 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 15:09 ImNightmare wrote:
Edit: btw did TB say anything about the crank issue? He doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would let his player get criticised without saying anything about it I'll be releasing a statement from both CranK and Axiom management at the appropriate time. Lot more going on behind the scenes that most people know and the timing of the statement is important.
Cheers. I think most people know there's a lot more going on behind the scenes and only a few are taking some of these statements at face value.
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On October 19 2012 16:45 anrimayu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 16:28 Gorlin wrote:On October 19 2012 16:21 Nostalgia.NA wrote:On October 19 2012 16:06 Gorlin wrote:On October 19 2012 15:34 mongmong wrote:On October 19 2012 15:23 Gorlin wrote:On October 19 2012 15:17 mongmong wrote:On October 19 2012 15:02 ImNightmare wrote:On October 19 2012 14:59 mongmong wrote:On October 18 2012 14:19 lilsusie wrote:
Talked to MMA this morning, he's on the fence about writing his side of it or not because he's afraid that it's gonna get blown up even bigger. But if he doesn't say something then he's afraid the community will think ill of him because of Jessica's words which he says are not completely true. And from knowing MMA in person, he's always been super respectful, I doubt he'd ever "yell" at Boxer (which, I doubt Crank did too; he probably just "talked back" to him which might be considered "yelling" to Jessica).
Part of the conversation I had:
[1:42:50 PM] 문성원: 요환이형이 (Boxer is)
[1:42:51 PM] 문성원: 중간에 껴있어서 (caught in the middle)
[1:42:59 PM] 문성원: 제가 요환이형을 욕할순 없어요 (I can't talk bad about Boxer, rather the implication through context of the whole conversation was "I couldn't talk bad about Boxer [because he respects him])
I am super looking forward to seeing his side of things. I like your opinion about Crank. Jessica says she even recorded him yelling at boxer and jessica Great job defending MMA and Crank despite that 99.9% Korean community is upset about what those two did Come to think of it, Jessica is pretty paranoid about people isn't she? It seems like she always has evidence or records of conversations even during private moments LOL. Think about why Jessica does all that kind of stuff. She has been in the acting/entertainment industry for years, where its full of backstabbing, lies, and other loads of crap. So yeah, that was necessary and smart move by jessica. Look at how things turned out now. Coach Won is QQing and accusing jessica without ANY form of evidence, whereas jessica is backing up her statement with all the evidence. Do you see who looks like an amateur in this situation? Quit trying to romanticize the situation. "Jessica's been in the drama business, full of backstabbing! She's got experience!" That is bullshit. Coach Won admitted it was wrong when they had the practice ban, yet Jessica claims it went on for much longer, yet many many interviews from both SlayerS and non-SlayerS players both show them thanking each other for practice. There's your evidence. What evidence does Jessica have? A recording she recorded that, as lilsusie told us, Crank is completely fine with being released? Doesn't sound like too incriminating of a phone call. What else she got? An email to Nazgul from the completely wrong time period? I hate that I'm having to have this argument, because I'm not one of the people that thinks Jessica is a "crazy bitch" or whatever, but I'd rather attack her arguments than let people listen to them so blindly. Dude, I traced all the interviews back in 2011, and the only non slayers team memebers that slayers players are thanking in the interview are those froM NSHS. So, why could it be that the only NSHS players practiced them? Haters dont say they hate the person, but instead find some ridiculous reason to justify what theyre doing. Just look at you bro, nice try though. oh one more thing, lets assume that jessica didnt keep record of what happened (incl conversation with crank) Then the community is gonna say "wheres the proof!!! she's trying to start a drama!!!' so yes, even though jessica keeping record of everything seems scary, it does help in this kind of situation. You're a fucking liar. I searched for some random ass interviews. Mvp thanks SlayerS Sleep: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218581Curious thanks SlayerS Puzzle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=274095Ganzi thanks TSL terrans and NSHoseo Shuttle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=261200Clide thanks MMA: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267743Coca thanks a bunch of people: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=270280 He's talking about how Slayers was only being allowed to practice with NSHS while the other teams took advantage and got practices in with Slayers when they needed; resulting in Slayers players' interviews where they only thanked NSHS What you put is MVP thanking Slayers, irrelevant to your point, supports his suspicion Curious thanking Slayers, irrelevant to your point, supports his suspicion Ganzi thanking TSL and NSHS,irrelevant to your point, supports his suspicion(TSL is questionable but it has been said they were outcasted as well for a short period along with Slayers) Clide thanks MMA of Slayers, irrelevant to your point, supports his suspicion Coca thanks a bunch of people, supports your point, counters his suspicion. You gave 5 points and 4 works against you while only 1 works for you. And you call him a f'ing liar...hmm Ah I see now, I suppose I did misinterpret him. I edited out the "f'ing", was uncalled for, sorry to both of you. I'll look again later, as I have a bunch of work to get done, but even so, I am confident I'll be able to find more sources. (I don't retract that he was lying though) edit: On October 19 2012 16:25 anrimayu wrote:On October 19 2012 16:19 Gorlin wrote:On October 19 2012 16:15 anrimayu wrote:On October 19 2012 16:06 Gorlin wrote:On October 19 2012 15:34 mongmong wrote:On October 19 2012 15:23 Gorlin wrote:On October 19 2012 15:17 mongmong wrote:On October 19 2012 15:02 ImNightmare wrote:
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Come to think of it, Jessica is pretty paranoid about people isn't she? It seems like she always has evidence or records of conversations even during private moments LOL. Think about why Jessica does all that kind of stuff. She has been in the acting/entertainment industry for years, where its full of backstabbing, lies, and other loads of crap. So yeah, that was necessary and smart move by jessica. Look at how things turned out now. Coach Won is QQing and accusing jessica without ANY form of evidence, whereas jessica is backing up her statement with all the evidence. Do you see who looks like an amateur in this situation? Quit trying to romanticize the situation. "Jessica's been in the drama business, full of backstabbing! She's got experience!" That is bullshit. Coach Won admitted it was wrong when they had the practice ban, yet Jessica claims it went on for much longer, yet many many interviews from both SlayerS and non-SlayerS players both show them thanking each other for practice. There's your evidence. What evidence does Jessica have? A recording she recorded that, as lilsusie told us, Crank is completely fine with being released? Doesn't sound like too incriminating of a phone call. What else she got? An email to Nazgul from the completely wrong time period? I hate that I'm having to have this argument, because I'm not one of the people that thinks Jessica is a "crazy bitch" or whatever, but I'd rather attack her arguments than let people listen to them so blindly. Dude, I traced all the interviews back in 2011, and the only non slayers team memebers that slayers players are thanking in the interview are those froM NSHS. So, why could it be that the only NSHS players practiced them? Haters dont say they hate the person, but instead find some ridiculous reason to justify what theyre doing. Just look at you bro, nice try though. oh one more thing, lets assume that jessica didnt keep record of what happened (incl conversation with crank) Then the community is gonna say "wheres the proof!!! she's trying to start a drama!!!' so yes, even though jessica keeping record of everything seems scary, it does help in this kind of situation. You're a fucking liar. I searched for some random ass interviews. Mvp thanks SlayerS Sleep: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218581Curious thanks SlayerS Puzzle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=274095Ganzi thanks TSL terrans and NSHoseo Shuttle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=261200Clide thanks MMA: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267743Coca thanks a bunch of people: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=270280 Don't be so hasty on call him him a liar. Like Jessica said multiple times, Slayers helped others practice to get in good terms. They just didn't get any help in return. Only a selected few helped them practice under aliases. TSL and NSHS were also being treated as outcasts by the eSF as well, so it's natural for them to help each other. Genius helped out Slayers practice, and look where he ended up in. Besides, all the team coaches in eSF made a formal apology to Jessica and Slayers, and Won stepped down as the head of eSF. This is just a repeat of what happened with TSL, so we'll see how Jessica reacts. Circumstances aside, he claimed to have "traced all the interviews back in 2011" and I could find a ton of interviews in a couple minutes finding plenty of people helping each other. Even if it was under an alias, there'd be no point in doing that under an alias if they were going to tell the world that they practice together in an interview. It's not even just the "outcast teams" there, there are players from IM, ST, Prime, whatever. I see where you're coming from, but that's just a speculation. I'm saying this based on the formal apology released by eSF, and the team coaches of ST, IM, MVP, Prime, FXO, and NSHS names were signed. Bottom line is, they abused their powers and singled out Slayers, and Jessica spoke the truth. http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=1316628 Could one of you show me where Jessica said teams took advantage of SlayerS and be helped, but not help them? I don't remember ever reading that, and I couldn't find it in my brief search through the translations. Also, I had not yet seen that apology from ESF and Won. Do you know of a translation of it? That article is 20minutes old, so i don't think there is any yet. Things are all over the place, so it's really hard to keep track of everything that goes on. It's worse if you have to wait for translations. Lot of details are never translated, so I'm sure that is one of them. I haven't seen a translation of Startale Coach Won complaining how he's innocent, and Jessica/Boxer are being selfish and ruining things for everyone. Reading that after Won, along with every other team coaches, accepts all the responsibility and apologizes to Slayers is just hilarious.
What? I don't know if you read Korean and that is why you know, but otherwise, you can't just be sure a detail you made up was never translated. Furthermore, that would be a pretty meaningful detail, and I don't think any of the notable translators around here would just leave it out. Also, I'm going to wait for a translation of the apology before taking your word that Won is saying he is apologizing for absolutely everything and everything is his fault, which sounds unlikely.
edit: Nevermind, Nostalgia.NA pointed it out, thank you.
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