EPTOn October 19 2012 16:50 Gorlin wrote:
What? I don't know if you read Korean and that is why you know, but otherwise, you can't just be sure a detail you made up was never translated. Furthermore, that would be a pretty meaningful detail, and I don't think any of the notable translators around here would just leave it out. Also, I'm going to wait for a translation of the apology before taking your word that Won is saying he is apologizing for absolutely everything and everything is his fault, which sounds unlikely.
I'll keep in mind that detail about players receiving but not reciprocating practice, but if I don't eventually see a source for it, I am going to have to assume it was made up, intentionally or not.
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On October 19 2012 16:45 anrimayu wrote:
That article is 20minutes old, so i don't think there is any yet. Things are all over the place, so it's really hard to keep track of everything that goes on. It's worse if you have to wait for translations. Lot of details are never translated, so I'm sure that is one of them. I haven't seen a translation of Startale Coach Won complaining how he's innocent, and Jessica/Boxer are being selfish and ruining things for everyone. Reading that after Won, along with every other team coaches, accepts all the responsibility and apologizes to Slayers is just hilarious.
On October 19 2012 16:28 Gorlin wrote:
Ah I see now, I suppose I did misinterpret him. I edited out the "f'ing", was uncalled for, sorry to both of you. I'll look again later, as I have a bunch of work to get done, but even so, I am confident I'll be able to find more sources. (I don't retract that he was lying though)
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Could one of you show me where Jessica said teams took advantage of SlayerS and be helped, but not help them? I don't remember ever reading that, and I couldn't find it in my brief search through the translations.
Also, I had not yet seen that apology from ESF and Won. Do you know of a translation of it?
On October 19 2012 16:21 Nostalgia.NA wrote:
He's talking about how Slayers was only being allowed to practice with NSHS while the other teams took advantage and got practices in with Slayers when they needed; resulting in Slayers players' interviews where they only thanked NSHS
What you put is
MVP thanking Slayers, irrelevant to your point, supports his suspicion
Curious thanking Slayers, irrelevant to your point, supports his suspicion
Ganzi thanking TSL and NSHS,irrelevant to your point, supports his suspicion(TSL is questionable but it has been said they were outcasted as well for a short period along with Slayers)
Clide thanks MMA of Slayers, irrelevant to your point, supports his suspicion
Coca thanks a bunch of people, supports your point, counters his suspicion.
You gave 5 points and 4 works against you while only 1 works for you. And you call him a f'ing liar...hmm
On October 19 2012 16:06 Gorlin wrote:
You're a fucking liar. I searched for some random ass interviews.
Mvp thanks SlayerS Sleep: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218581
Curious thanks SlayerS Puzzle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=274095
Ganzi thanks TSL terrans and NSHoseo Shuttle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=261200
Clide thanks MMA: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267743
Coca thanks a bunch of people: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=270280
On October 19 2012 15:34 mongmong wrote:
Dude, I traced all the interviews back in 2011, and the only non slayers team memebers that slayers players are thanking
in the interview are those froM NSHS. So, why could it be that the only NSHS players practiced them?
Haters dont say they hate the person, but instead find some ridiculous reason to justify what theyre doing. Just look at
you bro, nice try though.
oh one more thing, lets assume that jessica didnt keep record of what happened (incl conversation with crank)
Then the community is gonna say "wheres the proof!!! she's trying to start a drama!!!'
so yes, even though jessica keeping record of everything seems
scary, it does help in this kind of situation.
On October 19 2012 15:23 Gorlin wrote:
Quit trying to romanticize the situation. "Jessica's been in the drama business, full of backstabbing! She's got experience!" That is bullshit. Coach Won admitted it was wrong when they had the practice ban, yet Jessica claims it went on for much longer, yet many many interviews from both SlayerS and non-SlayerS players both show them thanking each other for practice. There's your evidence. What evidence does Jessica have? A recording she recorded that, as lilsusie told us, Crank is completely fine with being released? Doesn't sound like too incriminating of a phone call. What else she got? An email to Nazgul from the completely wrong time period?
I hate that I'm having to have this argument, because I'm not one of the people that thinks Jessica is a "crazy bitch" or whatever, but I'd rather attack her arguments than let people listen to them so blindly.
On October 19 2012 15:17 mongmong wrote:
LOL. Think about why Jessica does all that kind of stuff.
She has been in the acting/entertainment industry for years,
where its full of backstabbing, lies, and other loads of crap. So
yeah, that was necessary and smart move by jessica. Look at how things
turned out now. Coach Won is QQing and accusing jessica without ANY form of evidence,
whereas jessica is backing up her statement with all the evidence. Do you see who looks like an
amateur in this situation?
On October 19 2012 15:02 ImNightmare wrote:
Come to think of it, Jessica is pretty paranoid about people isn't she? It seems like she always has evidence or records of conversations even during private moments
On October 19 2012 14:59 mongmong wrote:
[quote]
I like your opinion about Crank.
Jessica says she even recorded him yelling at boxer and jessica
Great job defending MMA and Crank despite that 99.9% Korean community is
upset about what those two did
[quote]
I like your opinion about Crank.
Jessica says she even recorded him yelling at boxer and jessica
Great job defending MMA and Crank despite that 99.9% Korean community is
upset about what those two did
Come to think of it, Jessica is pretty paranoid about people isn't she? It seems like she always has evidence or records of conversations even during private moments
LOL. Think about why Jessica does all that kind of stuff.
She has been in the acting/entertainment industry for years,
where its full of backstabbing, lies, and other loads of crap. So
yeah, that was necessary and smart move by jessica. Look at how things
turned out now. Coach Won is QQing and accusing jessica without ANY form of evidence,
whereas jessica is backing up her statement with all the evidence. Do you see who looks like an
amateur in this situation?
Quit trying to romanticize the situation. "Jessica's been in the drama business, full of backstabbing! She's got experience!" That is bullshit. Coach Won admitted it was wrong when they had the practice ban, yet Jessica claims it went on for much longer, yet many many interviews from both SlayerS and non-SlayerS players both show them thanking each other for practice. There's your evidence. What evidence does Jessica have? A recording she recorded that, as lilsusie told us, Crank is completely fine with being released? Doesn't sound like too incriminating of a phone call. What else she got? An email to Nazgul from the completely wrong time period?
I hate that I'm having to have this argument, because I'm not one of the people that thinks Jessica is a "crazy bitch" or whatever, but I'd rather attack her arguments than let people listen to them so blindly.
Dude, I traced all the interviews back in 2011, and the only non slayers team memebers that slayers players are thanking
in the interview are those froM NSHS. So, why could it be that the only NSHS players practiced them?
Haters dont say they hate the person, but instead find some ridiculous reason to justify what theyre doing. Just look at
you bro, nice try though.
oh one more thing, lets assume that jessica didnt keep record of what happened (incl conversation with crank)
Then the community is gonna say "wheres the proof!!! she's trying to start a drama!!!'
so yes, even though jessica keeping record of everything seems
scary, it does help in this kind of situation.
You're a fucking liar. I searched for some random ass interviews.
Mvp thanks SlayerS Sleep: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218581
Curious thanks SlayerS Puzzle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=274095
Ganzi thanks TSL terrans and NSHoseo Shuttle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=261200
Clide thanks MMA: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267743
Coca thanks a bunch of people: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=270280
He's talking about how Slayers was only being allowed to practice with NSHS while the other teams took advantage and got practices in with Slayers when they needed; resulting in Slayers players' interviews where they only thanked NSHS
What you put is
MVP thanking Slayers, irrelevant to your point, supports his suspicion
Curious thanking Slayers, irrelevant to your point, supports his suspicion
Ganzi thanking TSL and NSHS,irrelevant to your point, supports his suspicion(TSL is questionable but it has been said they were outcasted as well for a short period along with Slayers)
Clide thanks MMA of Slayers, irrelevant to your point, supports his suspicion
Coca thanks a bunch of people, supports your point, counters his suspicion.
You gave 5 points and 4 works against you while only 1 works for you. And you call him a f'ing liar...hmm
Ah I see now, I suppose I did misinterpret him. I edited out the "f'ing", was uncalled for, sorry to both of you. I'll look again later, as I have a bunch of work to get done, but even so, I am confident I'll be able to find more sources. (I don't retract that he was lying though)
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On October 19 2012 16:25 anrimayu wrote:
I see where you're coming from, but that's just a speculation. I'm saying this based on the formal apology released by eSF, and the team coaches of ST, IM, MVP, Prime, FXO, and NSHS names were signed. Bottom line is, they abused their powers and singled out Slayers, and Jessica spoke the truth.
http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=1316628
On October 19 2012 16:19 Gorlin wrote:
Circumstances aside, he claimed to have "traced all the interviews back in 2011" and I could find a ton of interviews in a couple minutes finding plenty of people helping each other. Even if it was under an alias, there'd be no point in doing that under an alias if they were going to tell the world that they practice together in an interview. It's not even just the "outcast teams" there, there are players from IM, ST, Prime, whatever.
On October 19 2012 16:15 anrimayu wrote:
Don't be so hasty on call him him a liar. Like Jessica said multiple times, Slayers helped others practice to get in good terms. They just didn't get any help in return. Only a selected few helped them practice under aliases. TSL and NSHS were also being treated as outcasts by the eSF as well, so it's natural for them to help each other. Genius helped out Slayers practice, and look where he ended up in.
Besides, all the team coaches in eSF made a formal apology to Jessica and Slayers, and Won stepped down as the head of eSF. This is just a repeat of what happened with TSL, so we'll see how Jessica reacts.
On October 19 2012 16:06 Gorlin wrote:
You're a fucking liar. I searched for some random ass interviews.
Mvp thanks SlayerS Sleep: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218581
Curious thanks SlayerS Puzzle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=274095
Ganzi thanks TSL terrans and NSHoseo Shuttle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=261200
Clide thanks MMA: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267743
Coca thanks a bunch of people: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=270280
On October 19 2012 15:34 mongmong wrote:
Dude, I traced all the interviews back in 2011, and the only non slayers team memebers that slayers players are thanking
in the interview are those froM NSHS. So, why could it be that the only NSHS players practiced them?
Haters dont say they hate the person, but instead find some ridiculous reason to justify what theyre doing. Just look at
you bro, nice try though.
oh one more thing, lets assume that jessica didnt keep record of what happened (incl conversation with crank)
Then the community is gonna say "wheres the proof!!! she's trying to start a drama!!!'
so yes, even though jessica keeping record of everything seems
scary, it does help in this kind of situation.
On October 19 2012 15:23 Gorlin wrote:
Quit trying to romanticize the situation. "Jessica's been in the drama business, full of backstabbing! She's got experience!" That is bullshit. Coach Won admitted it was wrong when they had the practice ban, yet Jessica claims it went on for much longer, yet many many interviews from both SlayerS and non-SlayerS players both show them thanking each other for practice. There's your evidence. What evidence does Jessica have? A recording she recorded that, as lilsusie told us, Crank is completely fine with being released? Doesn't sound like too incriminating of a phone call. What else she got? An email to Nazgul from the completely wrong time period?
I hate that I'm having to have this argument, because I'm not one of the people that thinks Jessica is a "crazy bitch" or whatever, but I'd rather attack her arguments than let people listen to them so blindly.
On October 19 2012 15:17 mongmong wrote:
[quote]
LOL. Think about why Jessica does all that kind of stuff.
She has been in the acting/entertainment industry for years,
where its full of backstabbing, lies, and other loads of crap. So
yeah, that was necessary and smart move by jessica. Look at how things
turned out now. Coach Won is QQing and accusing jessica without ANY form of evidence,
whereas jessica is backing up her statement with all the evidence. Do you see who looks like an
amateur in this situation?
[quote]
LOL. Think about why Jessica does all that kind of stuff.
She has been in the acting/entertainment industry for years,
where its full of backstabbing, lies, and other loads of crap. So
yeah, that was necessary and smart move by jessica. Look at how things
turned out now. Coach Won is QQing and accusing jessica without ANY form of evidence,
whereas jessica is backing up her statement with all the evidence. Do you see who looks like an
amateur in this situation?
Quit trying to romanticize the situation. "Jessica's been in the drama business, full of backstabbing! She's got experience!" That is bullshit. Coach Won admitted it was wrong when they had the practice ban, yet Jessica claims it went on for much longer, yet many many interviews from both SlayerS and non-SlayerS players both show them thanking each other for practice. There's your evidence. What evidence does Jessica have? A recording she recorded that, as lilsusie told us, Crank is completely fine with being released? Doesn't sound like too incriminating of a phone call. What else she got? An email to Nazgul from the completely wrong time period?
I hate that I'm having to have this argument, because I'm not one of the people that thinks Jessica is a "crazy bitch" or whatever, but I'd rather attack her arguments than let people listen to them so blindly.
Dude, I traced all the interviews back in 2011, and the only non slayers team memebers that slayers players are thanking
in the interview are those froM NSHS. So, why could it be that the only NSHS players practiced them?
Haters dont say they hate the person, but instead find some ridiculous reason to justify what theyre doing. Just look at
you bro, nice try though.
oh one more thing, lets assume that jessica didnt keep record of what happened (incl conversation with crank)
Then the community is gonna say "wheres the proof!!! she's trying to start a drama!!!'
so yes, even though jessica keeping record of everything seems
scary, it does help in this kind of situation.
You're a fucking liar. I searched for some random ass interviews.
Mvp thanks SlayerS Sleep: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218581
Curious thanks SlayerS Puzzle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=274095
Ganzi thanks TSL terrans and NSHoseo Shuttle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=261200
Clide thanks MMA: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267743
Coca thanks a bunch of people: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=270280
Don't be so hasty on call him him a liar. Like Jessica said multiple times, Slayers helped others practice to get in good terms. They just didn't get any help in return. Only a selected few helped them practice under aliases. TSL and NSHS were also being treated as outcasts by the eSF as well, so it's natural for them to help each other. Genius helped out Slayers practice, and look where he ended up in.
Besides, all the team coaches in eSF made a formal apology to Jessica and Slayers, and Won stepped down as the head of eSF. This is just a repeat of what happened with TSL, so we'll see how Jessica reacts.
Circumstances aside, he claimed to have "traced all the interviews back in 2011" and I could find a ton of interviews in a couple minutes finding plenty of people helping each other. Even if it was under an alias, there'd be no point in doing that under an alias if they were going to tell the world that they practice together in an interview. It's not even just the "outcast teams" there, there are players from IM, ST, Prime, whatever.
I see where you're coming from, but that's just a speculation. I'm saying this based on the formal apology released by eSF, and the team coaches of ST, IM, MVP, Prime, FXO, and NSHS names were signed. Bottom line is, they abused their powers and singled out Slayers, and Jessica spoke the truth.
http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=1316628
Could one of you show me where Jessica said teams took advantage of SlayerS and be helped, but not help them? I don't remember ever reading that, and I couldn't find it in my brief search through the translations.
Also, I had not yet seen that apology from ESF and Won. Do you know of a translation of it?
That article is 20minutes old, so i don't think there is any yet. Things are all over the place, so it's really hard to keep track of everything that goes on. It's worse if you have to wait for translations. Lot of details are never translated, so I'm sure that is one of them. I haven't seen a translation of Startale Coach Won complaining how he's innocent, and Jessica/Boxer are being selfish and ruining things for everyone. Reading that after Won, along with every other team coaches, accepts all the responsibility and apologizes to Slayers is just hilarious.
What? I don't know if you read Korean and that is why you know, but otherwise, you can't just be sure a detail you made up was never translated. Furthermore, that would be a pretty meaningful detail, and I don't think any of the notable translators around here would just leave it out. Also, I'm going to wait for a translation of the apology before taking your word that Won is saying he is apologizing for absolutely everything and everything is his fault, which sounds unlikely.
I'll keep in mind that detail about players receiving but not reciprocating practice, but if I don't eventually see a source for it, I am going to have to assume it was made up, intentionally or not.
I already linked my source, but here you go again. Knock yourself out.
formal apology from all the team coaches, Won stepping down
http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=1316628
Won crying out innocence, from yesterday
http://clien.career.co.kr/cs2/bbs/board.php?bo_table=park&wr_id=16061455
