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lilsusie
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tshi
United States2495 Posts
Are you new to TL? */sarcasm* But no, eh, it's a very special community. <3 & </3 *shrug* | ||
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Weirdkid
Singapore2431 Posts
On October 19 2012 13:45 lilsusie wrote: Wow, 142 pages of speculation even before other perspectives are brought to light! >.< And I personally think that when the other perspectives are brought to light people will already be bored of this drama, and there probably won't be as much discussion haha | ||
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mongmong
Korea (South)1389 Posts
On October 18 2012 14:19 lilsusie wrote: Talked to MMA this morning, he's on the fence about writing his side of it or not because he's afraid that it's gonna get blown up even bigger. But if he doesn't say something then he's afraid the community will think ill of him because of Jessica's words which he says are not completely true. And from knowing MMA in person, he's always been super respectful, I doubt he'd ever "yell" at Boxer (which, I doubt Crank did too; he probably just "talked back" to him which might be considered "yelling" to Jessica). Part of the conversation I had: [1:42:50 PM] 문성원: 요환이형이 (Boxer is) [1:42:51 PM] 문성원: 중간에 껴있어서 (caught in the middle) [1:42:59 PM] 문성원: 제가 요환이형을 욕할순 없어요 (I can't talk bad about Boxer, rather the implication through context of the whole conversation was "I couldn't talk bad about Boxer [because he respects him]) I am super looking forward to seeing his side of things. I like your opinion about Crank. Jessica says she even recorded him yelling at boxer and jessica Great job defending MMA and Crank despite that 99.9% Korean community is upset about what those two did | ||
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ImNightmare
1575 Posts
On October 19 2012 14:59 mongmong wrote: I like your opinion about Crank. Jessica says she even recorded him yelling at boxer and jessica Great job defending MMA and Crank despite that 99.9% Korean community is upset about what those two did Come to think of it, Jessica is pretty paranoid about people isn't she? It seems like she always has evidence or records of conversations even during private moments | ||
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Popkiller
3415 Posts
On October 19 2012 14:59 mongmong wrote: I like your opinion about Crank. Jessica says she even recorded him yelling at boxer and jessica Great job defending MMA and Crank despite that 99.9% Korean community is upset about what those two did If I were Crank I'd tell her to release the recording of the conversation. | ||
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Gorlin
United States2753 Posts
On October 19 2012 14:59 mongmong wrote: I like your opinion about Crank. Jessica says she even recorded him yelling at boxer and jessica Great job defending MMA and Crank despite that 99.9% Korean community is upset about what those two did How do you not find the fact that, as Coach Won pointed out, Jessica saving conversations from over a year ago and recording private calls to be at all suspicious? The case where Jessica tries to use her email with Nazgul as proof that she never asked for a transfer fee for MMA despite it being months after the incident actually took place is clear evidence that she tries manipulate the truth in order to win her arguments. Read between the lines and actually try to reason out connections. Also, claiming that a lot of the Korean community agrees with Jessica in no way proves that she is right, it only shows that you encourage others to follow the crowd blindly. | ||
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bittman
Australia8759 Posts
On October 19 2012 14:59 mongmong wrote: I like your opinion about Crank. Jessica says she even recorded him yelling at boxer and jessica Great job defending MMA and Crank despite that 99.9% Korean community is upset about what those two did Sorry, nothing says "drama" like recording a conversation. People who record conversations: - Super secret government agents - Police - Lawyers - People who want to involve any of the above - Johnny from The Room Either way, someone is looking for drama when a conversation is recorded. I'd actually be pretty hurt if someone said they had been recording our conversation after the fact. Unless you think Jessica said "Be aware Crank, I'm recording this conversation. Now please, get angry" =/ | ||
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lilsusie
3861 Posts
On October 19 2012 14:59 mongmong wrote: I like your opinion about Crank. Jessica says she even recorded him yelling at boxer and jessica Great job defending MMA and Crank despite that 99.9% Korean community is upset about what those two did I've talked to both of them today. Their testimonies will be coming out pretty soon. The only thing I will disclose at this time is that Crank is 100% ok with Jessica releasing that recording because he's got nothing to hide. | ||
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ImNightmare
1575 Posts
On October 19 2012 15:07 bittman wrote: Sorry, nothing says "drama" like recording a conversation. People who record conversations: - Super secret government agents - Police - Lawyers - People who want to involve any of the above - Johnny from The Room Either way, someone is looking for drama when a conversation is recorded. I'd actually be pretty hurt if someone said they had been recording our conversation after the fact. Unless you think Jessica said "Be aware Crank, I'm recording this conversation. Now please, get angry" =/ It screams bulltshit or paranoia. Its pretty creepy how if what she says is true then she has never trust any of the players even though she calls them family. Reminds me of North korea where the appearance is happiness but doubt is everywhere beneath the surface Edit: btw did TB say anything about the crank issue? He doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would let his player get criticised without saying anything about it | ||
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mongmong
Korea (South)1389 Posts
On October 19 2012 15:02 ImNightmare wrote: Come to think of it, Jessica is pretty paranoid about people isn't she? It seems like she always has evidence or records of conversations even during private moments LOL. Think about why Jessica does all that kind of stuff. She has been in the acting/entertainment industry for years, where its full of backstabbing, lies, and other loads of crap. So yeah, that was necessary and smart move by jessica. Look at how things turned out now. Coach Won is QQing and accusing jessica without ANY form of evidence, whereas jessica is backing up her statement with all the evidence. Do you see who looks like an amateur in this situation? | ||
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Supamang
United States2298 Posts
On October 19 2012 15:08 lilsusie wrote: I've talked to both of them today. Their testimonies will be coming out pretty soon. The only thing I will disclose at this time is that Crank is 100% ok with Jessica releasing that recording because he's got nothing to hide. I'm pretty eager to hear from him and MMA. I really want to know if this embezzlement accusation is actually what Jessica is making it sound to be. It's a pretty serious accusation and its probably the issue thatll be the easiest to resolve if people are willing to talk | ||
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Gorlin
United States2753 Posts
On October 19 2012 15:17 mongmong wrote: LOL. Think about why Jessica does all that kind of stuff. She has been in the acting/entertainment industry for years, where its full of backstabbing, lies, and other loads of crap. So yeah, that was necessary and smart move by jessica. Look at how things turned out now. Coach Won is QQing and accusing jessica without ANY form of evidence, whereas jessica is backing up her statement with all the evidence. Do you see who looks like an amateur in this situation? Quit trying to romanticize the situation. "Jessica's been in the drama business, full of backstabbing! She's got experience!" That is bullshit. Coach Won admitted it was wrong when they had the practice ban, yet Jessica claims it went on for much longer, yet many many interviews from both SlayerS and non-SlayerS players both show them thanking each other for practice. There's your evidence. What evidence does Jessica have? A recording she recorded that, as lilsusie told us, Crank is completely fine with being released? Doesn't sound like too incriminating of a phone call. What else she got? An email to Nazgul from the completely wrong time period? I hate that I'm having to have this argument, because I'm not one of the people that thinks Jessica is a "crazy bitch" or whatever, but I'd rather attack her arguments than let people listen to them so blindly. | ||
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broz0rs
United States2294 Posts
Just reading the points in the OP, the thing that comes to mind is a captain on a sinking ship, taking down everyone with her. | ||
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ShiroKaisen
United States1082 Posts
On October 19 2012 13:47 tshi wrote: *sarcasm* Are you new to TL? */sarcasm* But no, eh, it's a very special community. <3 & </3 *shrug* I don't think it's even possible to ask her that in a sarcastic tone. | ||
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mongmong
Korea (South)1389 Posts
On October 19 2012 15:23 Gorlin wrote: Quit trying to romanticize the situation. "Jessica's been in the drama business, full of backstabbing! She's got experience!" That is bullshit. Coach Won admitted it was wrong when they had the practice ban, yet Jessica claims it went on for much longer, yet many many interviews from both SlayerS and non-SlayerS players both show them thanking each other for practice. There's your evidence. What evidence does Jessica have? A recording she recorded that, as lilsusie told us, Crank is completely fine with being released? Doesn't sound like too incriminating of a phone call. What else she got? An email to Nazgul from the completely wrong time period? I hate that I'm having to have this argument, because I'm not one of the people that thinks Jessica is a "crazy bitch" or whatever, but I'd rather attack her arguments than let people listen to them so blindly. Dude, I traced all the interviews back in 2011, and the only non slayers team memebers that slayers players are thanking in the interview are those froM NSHS. So, why could it be that the only NSHS players practiced them? Haters dont say they hate the person, but instead find some ridiculous reason to justify what theyre doing. Just look at you bro, nice try though. oh one more thing, lets assume that jessica didnt keep record of what happened (incl conversation with crank) Then the community is gonna say "wheres the proof!!! she's trying to start a drama!!!' so yes, even though jessica keeping record of everything seems scary, it does help in this kind of situation. | ||
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Hryul
Austria2609 Posts
On October 19 2012 15:17 mongmong wrote: LOL. Think about why Jessica does all that kind of stuff. She has been in the acting/entertainment industry for years, where its full of backstabbing, lies, and other loads of crap. So yeah, that was necessary and smart move by jessica. Look at how things turned out now. Coach Won is QQing and accusing jessica without ANY form of evidence, whereas jessica is backing up her statement with all the evidence. Do you see who looks like an amateur in this situation? So instead of actually solving the problems of the team she records conversations with teamplayers. I'm very sorry, but she was in charge the whole time and while it may have been bad luck with "Mr. J" I cannot imagine one reason you wouldn't at least attend the most important meetings where your financing is on the line. Or if it is via email, request a (b)cc. Both Boxer and Jessica should have realized that something was going wrong and should have taken appropriate actions. Instead, Boxer left the team and we have a big drama were players need to issue statements about internal stuff. I know it might be that she just got bad luck but there was also Boxer who should have cared about his team and he had experience. It's just that managers need to fix things before the whole company goes down. The worst example is that Alicia isn't informed beforehand that he is going to be released but he gets notified through the very first post if I read the meaning correctly. Something like this is not very professional. | ||
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mongmong
Korea (South)1389 Posts
On October 19 2012 15:40 Hryul wrote: So instead of actually solving the problems of the team she records conversations with teamplayers. I'm very sorry, but she was in charge the whole time and while it may have been bad luck with "Mr. J" I cannot imagine one reason you wouldn't at least attend the most important meetings where your financing is on the line. Or if it is via email, request a (b)cc. Both Boxer and Jessica should have realized that something was going wrong and should have taken appropriate actions. Instead, Boxer left the team and we have a big drama were players need to issue statements about internal stuff. I know it might be that she just got bad luck but there was also Boxer who should have cared about his team and he had experience. It's just that managers need to fix things before the whole company goes down. The worst example is that Alicia isn't informed beforehand that he is going to be released but he gets notified through the very first post if I read the meaning correctly. Something like this is not very professional. ?? how do you solve the problem? It was crank that rang jessica, yells at jessica by saying "Are you trying to ruin my career by involving me with MMa and others ? blah blah blah" and when boxer takes over the phone, he yells again at boxer. Solve the problem while Crank had gone nuts on the phone yelling at Boxer and Jessica, yep it looks like its gonna work out perfectly dude | ||
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gengka
Malaysia461 Posts
Seriously its the saddest thing to see when the team that has the coolest name disappear from the scene. (incredible miracle? wat?) Furthermore, with or without boxer, the Slayers team will forever carry the legacy of boxer since it is name after him and also created by him. The team ending up in this pathetic way will definitely leave a dark spot on boxer's reputation. | ||
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phiobos
China5 Posts
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