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LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
October 19 2012 02:01 GMT
#2801
On October 19 2012 10:58 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 10:53 zakmaa wrote:
And THIS, my friends, is something that would not happen in professional Hockey, Soccer, Football, Tennis or other sports. This joke of a community will never be considered serious nor professional if this is how it's leaders and "athletes" are going to comport themselves. Even this sort of transparency shouldn't be required by an organization.


Don't be ridiculous. Far worse things have happened in professional sports. Hit list scandal in NFL? Penn state scandal? Match fixing/betting multiple times across various sports, etc. This is nothing compared to a lot of stuff in professional sports.


First headline in the Guardian's football section:
Chelsea discipline Terry but retain him as captain
Ashley Cole John Terry
• Cole fined in regard to offensive Twitter comment
• Chelsea take undisclosed action against John Terry
• Kick It Out criticises club
• Terry rules out appeal against racist abuse ban

Second story:

Video published to discredit Rose
The Serbian FA appears to have posted a video aimed at discrediting Danny Rose's racism claims

Serbian FA president issues qualified apology


Oh yeah, plus there's more news about the new Hillsborough inquest. For those of you who don't know, the Hillsborough disaster was a stadium crush that led to the death of 96 people in 1989. Major police and administrative coverups followed, and the case is still being investigated.
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ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
October 19 2012 02:02 GMT
#2802
On October 19 2012 10:58 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 10:53 ragz_gt wrote:
On October 19 2012 10:48 Dfgj wrote:
On October 19 2012 10:47 ragz_gt wrote:
I'm pretty sure MMA is not a drug addict, and did not break any law that we know of (though we will find about Alicia's date with court TV I'm sure) so the analogy is nowhere near perfect.

It has nothing to do with legality, it has to do with the issue of negative influence.


The issue of negative influence is called run a damn house. Slayers is not the parents of its members (because those throw children under bus when going gets tough everyday, and Slayers is definitely not doing that), they are more like teacher of a class room. When one of the kid behaves badly, guess what you do not do? You do not kick other kids out. You solve the issue with the kid who have a problem. That's their job and responsibility running a team. Slayers definitely looks like incapable of doing that.


You need to pay attention and read the damn documents.

This isn't a situation of one player misbehaving. You need to realize that. There's a lot more going on here than that.

I agree it's not one player misbehaving. But do you know what everyone misbehaving means? It means they suck at running a team.
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
October 19 2012 02:02 GMT
#2803
On October 19 2012 10:58 Flamingo777 wrote:
Jessica embezzling money from SlayerS... that's a steep accusation, but it would make sense as to why the team went on such a sharp and sudden decline... Imagine the amount of tension in the house not only as a result of that, but also building up to that point where MMA had garnered the courage to tell her. Surely the players all knew/suspected it, and MMA as the most successful player and leader decided to speak on behalf of the team.


They didn't know shit. It never happened. Read. The. Documents.

Don't start with the 'surely' stuff unless you have a source that can back up what you're saying.
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wizshaw2
Profile Joined October 2011
25 Posts
October 19 2012 02:03 GMT
#2804
On October 19 2012 10:58 Flamingo777 wrote:
Jessica embezzling money from SlayerS... that's a steep accusation, but it would make sense as to why the team went on such a sharp and sudden decline... Imagine the amount of tension in the house not only as a result of that, but also building up to that point where MMA had garnered the courage to tell her. Surely the players all knew/suspected it, and MMA as the most successful player and leader decided to speak on behalf of the team.


I didnt read that wall of text, only some of it. But my gut tells me it was all related to her in some form.

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GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
October 19 2012 02:04 GMT
#2805
On October 19 2012 11:02 ragz_gt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 10:58 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
On October 19 2012 10:53 ragz_gt wrote:
On October 19 2012 10:48 Dfgj wrote:
On October 19 2012 10:47 ragz_gt wrote:
I'm pretty sure MMA is not a drug addict, and did not break any law that we know of (though we will find about Alicia's date with court TV I'm sure) so the analogy is nowhere near perfect.

It has nothing to do with legality, it has to do with the issue of negative influence.


The issue of negative influence is called run a damn house. Slayers is not the parents of its members (because those throw children under bus when going gets tough everyday, and Slayers is definitely not doing that), they are more like teacher of a class room. When one of the kid behaves badly, guess what you do not do? You do not kick other kids out. You solve the issue with the kid who have a problem. That's their job and responsibility running a team. Slayers definitely looks like incapable of doing that.


You need to pay attention and read the damn documents.

This isn't a situation of one player misbehaving. You need to realize that. There's a lot more going on here than that.

I agree it's not one player misbehaving. But do you know what everyone misbehaving means? It means they suck at running a team.


It's not everyone misbehaving. That's not said anywhere. Don't post accusations if you didn't bother to read the OP.
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GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
October 19 2012 02:04 GMT
#2806
On October 19 2012 11:03 wizshaw2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 10:58 Flamingo777 wrote:
Jessica embezzling money from SlayerS... that's a steep accusation, but it would make sense as to why the team went on such a sharp and sudden decline... Imagine the amount of tension in the house not only as a result of that, but also building up to that point where MMA had garnered the courage to tell her. Surely the players all knew/suspected it, and MMA as the most successful player and leader decided to speak on behalf of the team.


I didnt read that wall of text, only some of it. But my gut tells me it was all related to her in some form.


You are everything that's wrong with this thread.
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LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
October 19 2012 02:05 GMT
#2807
On October 19 2012 11:02 ragz_gt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 10:58 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
On October 19 2012 10:53 ragz_gt wrote:
On October 19 2012 10:48 Dfgj wrote:
On October 19 2012 10:47 ragz_gt wrote:
I'm pretty sure MMA is not a drug addict, and did not break any law that we know of (though we will find about Alicia's date with court TV I'm sure) so the analogy is nowhere near perfect.

It has nothing to do with legality, it has to do with the issue of negative influence.


The issue of negative influence is called run a damn house. Slayers is not the parents of its members (because those throw children under bus when going gets tough everyday, and Slayers is definitely not doing that), they are more like teacher of a class room. When one of the kid behaves badly, guess what you do not do? You do not kick other kids out. You solve the issue with the kid who have a problem. That's their job and responsibility running a team. Slayers definitely looks like incapable of doing that.


You need to pay attention and read the damn documents.

This isn't a situation of one player misbehaving. You need to realize that. There's a lot more going on here than that.

I agree it's not one player misbehaving. But do you know what everyone misbehaving means? It means they suck at running a team.


Do you have any facts, any reasoning, to back up your simpleminded and misguided conjecture?
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LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
October 19 2012 02:06 GMT
#2808
On October 19 2012 11:03 wizshaw2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 10:58 Flamingo777 wrote:
Jessica embezzling money from SlayerS... that's a steep accusation, but it would make sense as to why the team went on such a sharp and sudden decline... Imagine the amount of tension in the house not only as a result of that, but also building up to that point where MMA had garnered the courage to tell her. Surely the players all knew/suspected it, and MMA as the most successful player and leader decided to speak on behalf of the team.


I didnt read that wall of text, only some of it. But my gut tells me it was all related to her in some form.


Then, bluntly, GTFO. Your gut, like mine and all of ours, is an idiot. It doesn't know shit. Read the documents, read the sources and establish an informed, logical, reasoned conclusion.
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zakmaa
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada525 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-19 02:09:04
October 19 2012 02:07 GMT
#2809
nvm
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
October 19 2012 02:07 GMT
#2810
On October 19 2012 11:04 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 11:02 ragz_gt wrote:
On October 19 2012 10:58 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
On October 19 2012 10:53 ragz_gt wrote:
On October 19 2012 10:48 Dfgj wrote:
On October 19 2012 10:47 ragz_gt wrote:
I'm pretty sure MMA is not a drug addict, and did not break any law that we know of (though we will find about Alicia's date with court TV I'm sure) so the analogy is nowhere near perfect.

It has nothing to do with legality, it has to do with the issue of negative influence.


The issue of negative influence is called run a damn house. Slayers is not the parents of its members (because those throw children under bus when going gets tough everyday, and Slayers is definitely not doing that), they are more like teacher of a class room. When one of the kid behaves badly, guess what you do not do? You do not kick other kids out. You solve the issue with the kid who have a problem. That's their job and responsibility running a team. Slayers definitely looks like incapable of doing that.


You need to pay attention and read the damn documents.

This isn't a situation of one player misbehaving. You need to realize that. There's a lot more going on here than that.

I agree it's not one player misbehaving. But do you know what everyone misbehaving means? It means they suck at running a team.


It's not everyone misbehaving. That's not said anywhere. Don't post accusations if you didn't bother to read the OP.


Read the conversation. I'm saying Slayers either literally breeding evil monsters in their team house or they are incapable of solving issues that occurs when young people live together in a highly competitive highly pressured environment. And I'm leaning against latter (because former is utterly ridiculous).
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
Taku
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada2036 Posts
October 19 2012 02:10 GMT
#2811
On October 19 2012 11:07 ragz_gt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 11:04 GolemMadness wrote:
On October 19 2012 11:02 ragz_gt wrote:
On October 19 2012 10:58 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
On October 19 2012 10:53 ragz_gt wrote:
On October 19 2012 10:48 Dfgj wrote:
On October 19 2012 10:47 ragz_gt wrote:
I'm pretty sure MMA is not a drug addict, and did not break any law that we know of (though we will find about Alicia's date with court TV I'm sure) so the analogy is nowhere near perfect.

It has nothing to do with legality, it has to do with the issue of negative influence.


The issue of negative influence is called run a damn house. Slayers is not the parents of its members (because those throw children under bus when going gets tough everyday, and Slayers is definitely not doing that), they are more like teacher of a class room. When one of the kid behaves badly, guess what you do not do? You do not kick other kids out. You solve the issue with the kid who have a problem. That's their job and responsibility running a team. Slayers definitely looks like incapable of doing that.


You need to pay attention and read the damn documents.

This isn't a situation of one player misbehaving. You need to realize that. There's a lot more going on here than that.

I agree it's not one player misbehaving. But do you know what everyone misbehaving means? It means they suck at running a team.


It's not everyone misbehaving. That's not said anywhere. Don't post accusations if you didn't bother to read the OP.


Read the conversation. I'm saying Slayers either literally breeding evil monsters in their team house or they are incapable of solving issues that occurs when young people live together in a highly competitive highly pressured environment. And I'm leaning against latter (because former is utterly ridiculous).

If you dump a ton of money on a teenager and cater to almost every one of their whims, of course they're going to turn into brats. If Boxer/Jessica are guilty of anything, I'd say it's if being naive. That and victims of their bratty players who took advantage of them.
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ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-19 02:16:21
October 19 2012 02:13 GMT
#2812
On October 19 2012 11:05 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 11:02 ragz_gt wrote:
On October 19 2012 10:58 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
On October 19 2012 10:53 ragz_gt wrote:
On October 19 2012 10:48 Dfgj wrote:
On October 19 2012 10:47 ragz_gt wrote:
I'm pretty sure MMA is not a drug addict, and did not break any law that we know of (though we will find about Alicia's date with court TV I'm sure) so the analogy is nowhere near perfect.

It has nothing to do with legality, it has to do with the issue of negative influence.


The issue of negative influence is called run a damn house. Slayers is not the parents of its members (because those throw children under bus when going gets tough everyday, and Slayers is definitely not doing that), they are more like teacher of a class room. When one of the kid behaves badly, guess what you do not do? You do not kick other kids out. You solve the issue with the kid who have a problem. That's their job and responsibility running a team. Slayers definitely looks like incapable of doing that.


You need to pay attention and read the damn documents.

This isn't a situation of one player misbehaving. You need to realize that. There's a lot more going on here than that.

I agree it's not one player misbehaving. But do you know what everyone misbehaving means? It means they suck at running a team.


Do you have any facts, any reasoning, to back up your simpleminded and misguided conjecture?


The fact is that Slayers can't keep their members (and their employees) behaving. It is the team's responsibility to have a productive environment. If a player have an issue, it's their job to solve it. If the issues are not solvable, then it's their duty get rid the player who have issue. When a team have a problem with most of its employees, blaming everyone else does not show much competency.

On October 19 2012 11:10 Taku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 11:07 ragz_gt wrote:
On October 19 2012 11:04 GolemMadness wrote:
On October 19 2012 11:02 ragz_gt wrote:
On October 19 2012 10:58 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
On October 19 2012 10:53 ragz_gt wrote:
On October 19 2012 10:48 Dfgj wrote:
On October 19 2012 10:47 ragz_gt wrote:
I'm pretty sure MMA is not a drug addict, and did not break any law that we know of (though we will find about Alicia's date with court TV I'm sure) so the analogy is nowhere near perfect.

It has nothing to do with legality, it has to do with the issue of negative influence.


The issue of negative influence is called run a damn house. Slayers is not the parents of its members (because those throw children under bus when going gets tough everyday, and Slayers is definitely not doing that), they are more like teacher of a class room. When one of the kid behaves badly, guess what you do not do? You do not kick other kids out. You solve the issue with the kid who have a problem. That's their job and responsibility running a team. Slayers definitely looks like incapable of doing that.


You need to pay attention and read the damn documents.

This isn't a situation of one player misbehaving. You need to realize that. There's a lot more going on here than that.

I agree it's not one player misbehaving. But do you know what everyone misbehaving means? It means they suck at running a team.


It's not everyone misbehaving. That's not said anywhere. Don't post accusations if you didn't bother to read the OP.


Read the conversation. I'm saying Slayers either literally breeding evil monsters in their team house or they are incapable of solving issues that occurs when young people live together in a highly competitive highly pressured environment. And I'm leaning against latter (because former is utterly ridiculous).

If you dump a ton of money on a teenager and cater to almost every one of their whims, of course they're going to turn into brats. If Boxer/Jessica are guilty of anything, I'd say it's if being naive. That and victims of their bratty players who took advantage of them.


If that is the case then it's still their responsibility to keep the environment orderly and productive.
There are a tons of startups run a party environment and fall apart.
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
October 19 2012 02:13 GMT
#2813
On October 19 2012 11:07 ragz_gt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 11:04 GolemMadness wrote:
On October 19 2012 11:02 ragz_gt wrote:
On October 19 2012 10:58 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
On October 19 2012 10:53 ragz_gt wrote:
On October 19 2012 10:48 Dfgj wrote:
On October 19 2012 10:47 ragz_gt wrote:
I'm pretty sure MMA is not a drug addict, and did not break any law that we know of (though we will find about Alicia's date with court TV I'm sure) so the analogy is nowhere near perfect.

It has nothing to do with legality, it has to do with the issue of negative influence.


The issue of negative influence is called run a damn house. Slayers is not the parents of its members (because those throw children under bus when going gets tough everyday, and Slayers is definitely not doing that), they are more like teacher of a class room. When one of the kid behaves badly, guess what you do not do? You do not kick other kids out. You solve the issue with the kid who have a problem. That's their job and responsibility running a team. Slayers definitely looks like incapable of doing that.


You need to pay attention and read the damn documents.

This isn't a situation of one player misbehaving. You need to realize that. There's a lot more going on here than that.

I agree it's not one player misbehaving. But do you know what everyone misbehaving means? It means they suck at running a team.


It's not everyone misbehaving. That's not said anywhere. Don't post accusations if you didn't bother to read the OP.


Read the conversation. I'm saying Slayers either literally breeding evil monsters in their team house or they are incapable of solving issues that occurs when young people live together in a highly competitive highly pressured environment. And I'm leaning against latter (because former is utterly ridiculous).


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LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
October 19 2012 02:14 GMT
#2814
On October 19 2012 11:13 ragz_gt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 11:05 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
On October 19 2012 11:02 ragz_gt wrote:
On October 19 2012 10:58 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
On October 19 2012 10:53 ragz_gt wrote:
On October 19 2012 10:48 Dfgj wrote:
On October 19 2012 10:47 ragz_gt wrote:
I'm pretty sure MMA is not a drug addict, and did not break any law that we know of (though we will find about Alicia's date with court TV I'm sure) so the analogy is nowhere near perfect.

It has nothing to do with legality, it has to do with the issue of negative influence.


The issue of negative influence is called run a damn house. Slayers is not the parents of its members (because those throw children under bus when going gets tough everyday, and Slayers is definitely not doing that), they are more like teacher of a class room. When one of the kid behaves badly, guess what you do not do? You do not kick other kids out. You solve the issue with the kid who have a problem. That's their job and responsibility running a team. Slayers definitely looks like incapable of doing that.


You need to pay attention and read the damn documents.

This isn't a situation of one player misbehaving. You need to realize that. There's a lot more going on here than that.

I agree it's not one player misbehaving. But do you know what everyone misbehaving means? It means they suck at running a team.


Do you have any facts, any reasoning, to back up your simpleminded and misguided conjecture?


The fact is that Slayers can't keep their members (and their employees) behaving. It is the team's responsibility to have a productive environment. If a player have an issue, it's their job to solve it. If the issues are not solvable, then it's their duty get rid the player who have issue. When a team have a problem with most of its employees, blaming everyone else does not show much competency.


Gotcha. In other words, no. You have nothing other than the same factually unfounded claims you've made a dozen times before.
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GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
October 19 2012 02:16 GMT
#2815
On October 19 2012 11:07 ragz_gt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 11:04 GolemMadness wrote:
On October 19 2012 11:02 ragz_gt wrote:
On October 19 2012 10:58 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
On October 19 2012 10:53 ragz_gt wrote:
On October 19 2012 10:48 Dfgj wrote:
On October 19 2012 10:47 ragz_gt wrote:
I'm pretty sure MMA is not a drug addict, and did not break any law that we know of (though we will find about Alicia's date with court TV I'm sure) so the analogy is nowhere near perfect.

It has nothing to do with legality, it has to do with the issue of negative influence.


The issue of negative influence is called run a damn house. Slayers is not the parents of its members (because those throw children under bus when going gets tough everyday, and Slayers is definitely not doing that), they are more like teacher of a class room. When one of the kid behaves badly, guess what you do not do? You do not kick other kids out. You solve the issue with the kid who have a problem. That's their job and responsibility running a team. Slayers definitely looks like incapable of doing that.


You need to pay attention and read the damn documents.

This isn't a situation of one player misbehaving. You need to realize that. There's a lot more going on here than that.

I agree it's not one player misbehaving. But do you know what everyone misbehaving means? It means they suck at running a team.


It's not everyone misbehaving. That's not said anywhere. Don't post accusations if you didn't bother to read the OP.


Read the conversation. I'm saying Slayers either literally breeding evil monsters in their team house or they are incapable of solving issues that occurs when young people live together in a highly competitive highly pressured environment. And I'm leaning against latter (because former is utterly ridiculous).


That's like saying that you've had a few girlfriends who've broken up with you before, therefore you're entirely incapable of having a good relationship with women. The issues were mostly J leading MMA to believe that Jessica was embezzling money from the team, which caused problems with other members of the team as well, and Alicia mostly just being a brat. What exactly was Jessica supposed to do differently there?
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bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
October 19 2012 02:18 GMT
#2816
On October 19 2012 10:05 Weirdkid wrote:
Hmm. Wonder if this can get on the opening post as well People late to the party don't usually look at random pages, especially random pages like page 122 But if deemed unneeded then it's fine too. No worries

Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 22:29 Weirdkid wrote:
Translated from http://s.163.com/12/1018/19/8E4DAQ2L00314D0E.html
Original article at http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=1315548

This is the first response of Coach Won, and it comes before the response of Kim Ga Yeon with the emails.

Bolding this because few people ever reads what's above the translations lol. I hope this is properly translated, but I've [bracketed] the parts which I am especially unsure of. I apologise if any parts are not properly translated, and please feel free to correct me on any part. Thank you.



Hello everyone. I am Won Jong Wook from ESports Federation. Firstly, I want to apologise for all the bad news.

1. NASL Related Matters

During NASL Season 2, it was the NASL side which requested a deposit, and a boycott arose as a result. They expressed that they couldn't trust the teams and players from Season 2 onwards, which is why the deposit for Season 2 was much higher than the deposit for Season 1. But at that time, when our players took part in tournaments like MLG and IPL, they were supported in terms of their expenses. Hence, if we allowed this action from NASL to just proceed, other tournaments might end up also using this system from NASL.

To protect the rights and interest of our players, we gathered all the head coaches for a meeting, and decided not to take part in NASL, which required all the players to submit a 500 USD deposit. To be more detailed, if NASL did not remove this requirement of a deposit, and treat players better, we will not take part. This decision was approved by all the teams, including Slayers, and after that, we've been working hard to work and negotiate with NASL.

During this negotiation process, we couldn't reach an agreement, and there were a lot of delays. In terms of the translation issue, we got the help of GomTV, and we even got an agent to help in the negotiations. But even after a long time, the negotiations couldn't come to a close.

But we still persevered in the negotiations, and while we were waiting for the response, Slayers and TSL went and took part in NASL Season 3. This produced some problems.

We were certainly putting in a lot of effort to get the best results from the negotiations with NASL, and of course, we weren't able to achieve a satisfactory result in the end, but I don't think it's right to deny that effort.

2. Taking part in NASL Season 3

After several failed negotiations with NASL, the qualifiers of NASL Season 3 begun. Most of the teams were still expressing that they'd wait for the other party to guarantee the rights of the players before they would take part. But in spite of this effort from many of the teams, Slayers and TSL suddenly decided to take part in the tournament without discussing it with us. Afterwards, I got to know about it, and I expressed my disappointment at the actions of the two teams.

3. Restrictions on practising

Regarding the issue of taking part in NASL Season 3, the teams came up with the idea of everyone not helping them practise because Slayers and TSL ignored all the efforts the teams put in to try to protect the rights of the players. There is one thing I need to make clear, and that there wasn't any federation or ideas of an association at this point in time. We just occasionally have meetings of the head coaches where we'd raise our opinions and suggestions. Also, regarding the practise issue, we did communicate the decision to Slayers and TSL.

TSL immediately tried their best to dispel the misunderstandings of this incident, and explained their situation to all the teams, and decided after that to work together with everyone. [But with Slayers there wasn't a proper response, and there wasn't any requests for any discussions. The head coaches of all the teams were also hoping that they would give an explanation so they could have an explanation for their players.] As a result, we started putting in place the practice restrictions after the NASL Season 3 Qualifiers ended, starting 10 March and ending 27 March.

Putting all the reasons aside, to put a restriction on the practising of the players was indeed a thoughtless act, and so on behalf of all the head coaches, I want to to sincerely apologise to everyone in Slayers

4. Practice issues afterwards

After the period of time mentioned above ended, the federation players were allowed practise freely with the Slayers players. The statement that we had restrictions on practising for 10 months is not true. From last year to this year, you can see the Slayers players saying that there were other players who were practising with them.

We think that practising with one another and training is a right that all teams have. Whether it's in the past or in the present, most of the teams mainly practise amongst themselves. Currently, the players would find other players to practise with them as an extension of the basic internal practice that they have within the team. This is the same for the Slayers players.

To take our team as an example, Parting, Life, and Hack etc. all frequently practise with the Slayers players. This part can be proven by the interviews, replays, match records of the players from the various teams.

5. Regarding the issue of ostracising

All our teams never once mentioned or agreed to ostracise Slayers. We certainly did not forbid our players from being friends with their players. Even though it's impossible for relationships to be good amongst all the teams, players would form good relationships because of taking part in foreign tournaments or practising on battlenet.

Regarding this, the fans of foreign tournaments and fans of eSports can get proof from the Starcraft 2 players. The federation, up till now, doesn't understand why they'd say we isolated them. From the start of the discussions, even though they didn't want to join us, we would often convey all sorts of important information to Slayers, and also frequently invite them to take part in the discussions amongst the head coaches. But it's Slayers which didn't accept these suggestions, and them which hold a lukewarm attitude towards us.

[Kim Ga Yeon once told me when we met at the coffee shop outside the KBS building at Yeouido that she still wanted to carry on her career as a celebrity, and that she'd be taking care of the team when Boxer was a playing coach. Furthermore, Coach Boxer (Still a player then) already mentioned getting rid of the team when he decided to give up being a player.] At the time when they said they wouldn't join the federation, they also said they wouldn't join any associations, but would continue standing on a neutral position.

Also, Kim Ga Yeon said that they never collected any transfer fees from the players. But I came to know from a few teams in the country, that when they were in discussions for the transfers, high prices were always demanded, and as a result it was always difficult to carry on with the discussions. The people in the industry all know this.

But Kim Ga Yeon insisted that she never did such a thing, and that they released their players without conditions and that it's for their players. The transfer fee is something which is transacted after proper negotiations by both parties, but Kim Ga Yeon always asks for really high prices. Doesn't that arise from one's own greed?

Furthermore, she said that she still keeps the negotiation details from 2 years ago, and is able to produce evidence at any time. This just makes people feel that she'd been intentionally preparing for such a day, and it just gives a bitter feeling.

[Because of this incident, what people are seeing is not just which head coach has problems with Slayers, but that everyone has a feud, and this is really disappointing.] The head coaches and the players for all the teams are all free regarding who they wish to be acquainted with, and this isn't something we can change. How can one command the hearts and minds of other people? I need to emphasize once again, that the federation never once instructed or encouraged the ostracising of Slayers.

We have feelings too. This string of events, especially regarding the restrictions towards practice, makes us feel really disappointed. To prevent something similar from happening again in the future, we will definitely be really careful.

For all these bad stuff, I apologise again. As the person involved in this incident, I want to present my deepest apologies to the fan on behalf of the teams.

[I hope that everyone can soothe their anger with an open mind], and continue supporting the players and teams of Starcraft 2.

Thank you.



Thanks for the full translation. Helps see the alternate side of the story. Wonder if anything else will come out, but by piecing together things like a genius detection *snorts* I can see that there might have been a lot of misunderstandings.
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ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
October 19 2012 02:18 GMT
#2817
On October 19 2012 11:14 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 11:13 ragz_gt wrote:
On October 19 2012 11:05 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
On October 19 2012 11:02 ragz_gt wrote:
On October 19 2012 10:58 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
On October 19 2012 10:53 ragz_gt wrote:
On October 19 2012 10:48 Dfgj wrote:
On October 19 2012 10:47 ragz_gt wrote:
I'm pretty sure MMA is not a drug addict, and did not break any law that we know of (though we will find about Alicia's date with court TV I'm sure) so the analogy is nowhere near perfect.

It has nothing to do with legality, it has to do with the issue of negative influence.


The issue of negative influence is called run a damn house. Slayers is not the parents of its members (because those throw children under bus when going gets tough everyday, and Slayers is definitely not doing that), they are more like teacher of a class room. When one of the kid behaves badly, guess what you do not do? You do not kick other kids out. You solve the issue with the kid who have a problem. That's their job and responsibility running a team. Slayers definitely looks like incapable of doing that.


You need to pay attention and read the damn documents.

This isn't a situation of one player misbehaving. You need to realize that. There's a lot more going on here than that.

I agree it's not one player misbehaving. But do you know what everyone misbehaving means? It means they suck at running a team.


Do you have any facts, any reasoning, to back up your simpleminded and misguided conjecture?


The fact is that Slayers can't keep their members (and their employees) behaving. It is the team's responsibility to have a productive environment. If a player have an issue, it's their job to solve it. If the issues are not solvable, then it's their duty get rid the player who have issue. When a team have a problem with most of its employees, blaming everyone else does not show much competency.


Gotcha. In other words, no. You have nothing other than the same factually unfounded claims you've made a dozen times before.


It literally DOES NOT MATTER what the situation is. When you run a team, you solve whatever problem there is with your members / employees. If you can't do that then don't be surprised when it fall apart.
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ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
October 19 2012 02:20 GMT
#2818
On October 19 2012 11:16 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 11:07 ragz_gt wrote:
On October 19 2012 11:04 GolemMadness wrote:
On October 19 2012 11:02 ragz_gt wrote:
On October 19 2012 10:58 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
On October 19 2012 10:53 ragz_gt wrote:
On October 19 2012 10:48 Dfgj wrote:
On October 19 2012 10:47 ragz_gt wrote:
I'm pretty sure MMA is not a drug addict, and did not break any law that we know of (though we will find about Alicia's date with court TV I'm sure) so the analogy is nowhere near perfect.

It has nothing to do with legality, it has to do with the issue of negative influence.


The issue of negative influence is called run a damn house. Slayers is not the parents of its members (because those throw children under bus when going gets tough everyday, and Slayers is definitely not doing that), they are more like teacher of a class room. When one of the kid behaves badly, guess what you do not do? You do not kick other kids out. You solve the issue with the kid who have a problem. That's their job and responsibility running a team. Slayers definitely looks like incapable of doing that.


You need to pay attention and read the damn documents.

This isn't a situation of one player misbehaving. You need to realize that. There's a lot more going on here than that.

I agree it's not one player misbehaving. But do you know what everyone misbehaving means? It means they suck at running a team.


It's not everyone misbehaving. That's not said anywhere. Don't post accusations if you didn't bother to read the OP.


Read the conversation. I'm saying Slayers either literally breeding evil monsters in their team house or they are incapable of solving issues that occurs when young people live together in a highly competitive highly pressured environment. And I'm leaning against latter (because former is utterly ridiculous).


That's like saying that you've had a few girlfriends who've broken up with you before, therefore you're entirely incapable of having a good relationship with women. The issues were mostly J leading MMA to believe that Jessica was embezzling money from the team, which caused problems with other members of the team as well, and Alicia mostly just being a brat. What exactly was Jessica supposed to do differently there?


What Slayers is doing is not breaking up with a few girlfriends though. If they fired their problematic members then it would be the case. What they are doing is basically swearing to never go out with a woman again and setting fire to the bar.
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xXFireandIceXx
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada4296 Posts
October 19 2012 02:20 GMT
#2819
On October 19 2012 11:18 ragz_gt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 11:14 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
On October 19 2012 11:13 ragz_gt wrote:
On October 19 2012 11:05 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
On October 19 2012 11:02 ragz_gt wrote:
On October 19 2012 10:58 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
On October 19 2012 10:53 ragz_gt wrote:
On October 19 2012 10:48 Dfgj wrote:
On October 19 2012 10:47 ragz_gt wrote:
I'm pretty sure MMA is not a drug addict, and did not break any law that we know of (though we will find about Alicia's date with court TV I'm sure) so the analogy is nowhere near perfect.

It has nothing to do with legality, it has to do with the issue of negative influence.


The issue of negative influence is called run a damn house. Slayers is not the parents of its members (because those throw children under bus when going gets tough everyday, and Slayers is definitely not doing that), they are more like teacher of a class room. When one of the kid behaves badly, guess what you do not do? You do not kick other kids out. You solve the issue with the kid who have a problem. That's their job and responsibility running a team. Slayers definitely looks like incapable of doing that.


You need to pay attention and read the damn documents.

This isn't a situation of one player misbehaving. You need to realize that. There's a lot more going on here than that.

I agree it's not one player misbehaving. But do you know what everyone misbehaving means? It means they suck at running a team.


Do you have any facts, any reasoning, to back up your simpleminded and misguided conjecture?


The fact is that Slayers can't keep their members (and their employees) behaving. It is the team's responsibility to have a productive environment. If a player have an issue, it's their job to solve it. If the issues are not solvable, then it's their duty get rid the player who have issue. When a team have a problem with most of its employees, blaming everyone else does not show much competency.


Gotcha. In other words, no. You have nothing other than the same factually unfounded claims you've made a dozen times before.


It literally DOES NOT MATTER what the situation is. When you run a team, you solve whatever problem there is with your members / employees. If you can't do that then don't be surprised when it fall apart.

Yup I agree. Ultimately, that's leadership.
OopsOopsBaby
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Singapore3425 Posts
October 19 2012 02:26 GMT
#2820
Biting the hand that feed them cool.
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