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On October 19 2012 10:32 LuckoftheIrish wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 10:08 Gackt_ wrote:On October 19 2012 10:03 ragz_gt wrote:On October 19 2012 09:59 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On October 19 2012 09:58 Gackt_ wrote:
Holy shit..so much text, what I got out of all the translations is that Jessica is QQ:ing and it's her fault. Am I right or have I missunderstood the whole drama? You've completely misunderstood the whole situation. It's probably not all her fault but she definitely sounded incompetent of running a business. There are people who solve problems, and there are people who let problems snowball into epic proportion, unfortunately Slayers kind of fall in latter category. Yeah I mean...so many players disliked her, it must be something that aint right with the lady..? I mean going out with all this bullshit as an example is quite stupid, lol, but now it's out. The whole translation is quite confusing but it seems that everytime a player complains she felt that she had to punish them? Or smth. And with that she made the player even more upset and more drama occoured. Ryung was sent home not as a punishment but as a preventative measure. Due to the toxic atmosphere in the SlayerS house, caused by MMA and Crank, he was allowed to practice at home in an effort to keep him from becoming dissatisfied with the team. Unfortunately for SlayerS, it didn't really work out.
How does that even make sense... What kind of team send member home as a preventative measure? I'm sure every case can be explained by itself, but it's kind of mind boggling that pretty much everyone have problem seriously enough to be separated from the team. At the very least it shows Slayers has the absolutely worst judgement when it comes to recruits (which I do not believe is the case).
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On October 19 2012 10:38 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 10:32 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On October 19 2012 10:08 Gackt_ wrote:On October 19 2012 10:03 ragz_gt wrote:On October 19 2012 09:59 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On October 19 2012 09:58 Gackt_ wrote:
Holy shit..so much text, what I got out of all the translations is that Jessica is QQ:ing and it's her fault. Am I right or have I missunderstood the whole drama? You've completely misunderstood the whole situation. It's probably not all her fault but she definitely sounded incompetent of running a business. There are people who solve problems, and there are people who let problems snowball into epic proportion, unfortunately Slayers kind of fall in latter category. Yeah I mean...so many players disliked her, it must be something that aint right with the lady..? I mean going out with all this bullshit as an example is quite stupid, lol, but now it's out. The whole translation is quite confusing but it seems that everytime a player complains she felt that she had to punish them? Or smth. And with that she made the player even more upset and more drama occoured. Ryung was sent home not as a punishment but as a preventative measure. Due to the toxic atmosphere in the SlayerS house, caused by MMA and Crank, he was allowed to practice at home in an effort to keep him from becoming dissatisfied with the team. Unfortunately for SlayerS, it didn't really work out. How does that even make sense... What kind of team send member home as a preventative measure? I'm sure every case can be explained by itself, but it's kind of mind boggling that pretty much everyone have problem seriously enough to be separated from the team. At the very least it shows Slayers has the absolutely worst judgement when it comes to recruits (which I do not believe is the case).
If you had a kid who went to a school and hung around drug addicts, I'd think you'd want him to start getting to know some new people/get a degree of separation.
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On October 19 2012 10:38 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 10:32 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On October 19 2012 10:08 Gackt_ wrote:On October 19 2012 10:03 ragz_gt wrote:On October 19 2012 09:59 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On October 19 2012 09:58 Gackt_ wrote:
Holy shit..so much text, what I got out of all the translations is that Jessica is QQ:ing and it's her fault. Am I right or have I missunderstood the whole drama? You've completely misunderstood the whole situation. It's probably not all her fault but she definitely sounded incompetent of running a business. There are people who solve problems, and there are people who let problems snowball into epic proportion, unfortunately Slayers kind of fall in latter category. Yeah I mean...so many players disliked her, it must be something that aint right with the lady..? I mean going out with all this bullshit as an example is quite stupid, lol, but now it's out. The whole translation is quite confusing but it seems that everytime a player complains she felt that she had to punish them? Or smth. And with that she made the player even more upset and more drama occoured. Ryung was sent home not as a punishment but as a preventative measure. Due to the toxic atmosphere in the SlayerS house, caused by MMA and Crank, he was allowed to practice at home in an effort to keep him from becoming dissatisfied with the team. Unfortunately for SlayerS, it didn't really work out. How does that even make sense... What kind of team send member home as a preventative measure? I'm sure every case can be explained by itself, but it's kind of mind boggling that pretty much everyone have problem seriously enough to be separated from the team. At the very least it shows Slayers has the absolutely worst judgement when it comes to recruits (which I do not believe is the case).
It makes perfect sense. You have a player who you think very highly of, and the atmosphere in the teamhouse is really shitty. Since you don't want the player who's not causing problems to suffer, you let him practice from home so he can train in a more positive atmosphere. That way, you can get the one guy who's still pulling his weight away from Puzzle and Min, who are just playing LoL, Alicia, who's given his coaches an ultimatum that he's not playing team leagues anymore, Crank, who's cursing out Boxer, and MMA, who's spreading rumors and trying to convince people to break their contracts.
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On October 19 2012 10:43 xXFireandIceXx wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 10:38 ragz_gt wrote:On October 19 2012 10:32 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On October 19 2012 10:08 Gackt_ wrote:On October 19 2012 10:03 ragz_gt wrote:On October 19 2012 09:59 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On October 19 2012 09:58 Gackt_ wrote:
Holy shit..so much text, what I got out of all the translations is that Jessica is QQ:ing and it's her fault. Am I right or have I missunderstood the whole drama? You've completely misunderstood the whole situation. It's probably not all her fault but she definitely sounded incompetent of running a business. There are people who solve problems, and there are people who let problems snowball into epic proportion, unfortunately Slayers kind of fall in latter category. Yeah I mean...so many players disliked her, it must be something that aint right with the lady..? I mean going out with all this bullshit as an example is quite stupid, lol, but now it's out. The whole translation is quite confusing but it seems that everytime a player complains she felt that she had to punish them? Or smth. And with that she made the player even more upset and more drama occoured. Ryung was sent home not as a punishment but as a preventative measure. Due to the toxic atmosphere in the SlayerS house, caused by MMA and Crank, he was allowed to practice at home in an effort to keep him from becoming dissatisfied with the team. Unfortunately for SlayerS, it didn't really work out. How does that even make sense... What kind of team send member home as a preventative measure? I'm sure every case can be explained by itself, but it's kind of mind boggling that pretty much everyone have problem seriously enough to be separated from the team. At the very least it shows Slayers has the absolutely worst judgement when it comes to recruits (which I do not believe is the case). If you had a kid who went to a school and hung around drug addicts, I'd think you'd want him to start getting to know some new people/get a degree of separation.
This is a perfect analogy.
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On October 19 2012 10:30 docvoc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 10:27 babylon wrote:
I'm starting to feel like this entire scene is filled with immature, passive-aggressive kids. This includes the players themselves, the managers, and the coaches.
Boxer excluded, ofc. Yeah I'm getting that Vibe too, its hard for me to wear this Startales insignia now, since their manager pretty much blamed Jessica for everything after she said some fairly scathing and most likely true remarks since he just completely dodged them in regards to not talking to her and then saying he didn't remember clearly. I want them to make an oGs insignia so bad, but thats another thing lol. I really think we need MMA or Crank to make a statement about this.
I'm still a fan of the ST players. The only one afaik who is remotely involved in this is Ace, who kinda aired some dirty laundry in attempting to defend his coach -- and I do think the post Ace wrote before he deleted it was earnest and well-meant. I mean, in actuality, the only teams that are not complicit in any of this drama are either non-ESF or dead ...... :/
Sigh. I just wanna watch Mvp vs. Life. Whyyyyyy.
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On October 19 2012 10:43 LuckoftheIrish wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 10:38 ragz_gt wrote:On October 19 2012 10:32 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On October 19 2012 10:08 Gackt_ wrote:On October 19 2012 10:03 ragz_gt wrote:On October 19 2012 09:59 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On October 19 2012 09:58 Gackt_ wrote:
Holy shit..so much text, what I got out of all the translations is that Jessica is QQ:ing and it's her fault. Am I right or have I missunderstood the whole drama? You've completely misunderstood the whole situation. It's probably not all her fault but she definitely sounded incompetent of running a business. There are people who solve problems, and there are people who let problems snowball into epic proportion, unfortunately Slayers kind of fall in latter category. Yeah I mean...so many players disliked her, it must be something that aint right with the lady..? I mean going out with all this bullshit as an example is quite stupid, lol, but now it's out. The whole translation is quite confusing but it seems that everytime a player complains she felt that she had to punish them? Or smth. And with that she made the player even more upset and more drama occoured. Ryung was sent home not as a punishment but as a preventative measure. Due to the toxic atmosphere in the SlayerS house, caused by MMA and Crank, he was allowed to practice at home in an effort to keep him from becoming dissatisfied with the team. Unfortunately for SlayerS, it didn't really work out. How does that even make sense... What kind of team send member home as a preventative measure? I'm sure every case can be explained by itself, but it's kind of mind boggling that pretty much everyone have problem seriously enough to be separated from the team. At the very least it shows Slayers has the absolutely worst judgement when it comes to recruits (which I do not believe is the case). It makes perfect sense. You have a player who you think very highly of, and the atmosphere in the teamhouse is really shitty. Since you don't want the player who's not causing problems to suffer, you let him practice from home so he can train in a more positive atmosphere. That way, you can get the one guy who's still pulling his weight away from Puzzle and Min, who are just playing LoL, Alicia, who's given his coaches an ultimatum that he's not playing team leagues anymore, Crank, who's cursing out Boxer, and MMA, who's spreading rumors and trying to convince people to break their contracts. Edit: Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 10:43 xXFireandIceXx wrote:On October 19 2012 10:38 ragz_gt wrote:On October 19 2012 10:32 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On October 19 2012 10:08 Gackt_ wrote:On October 19 2012 10:03 ragz_gt wrote:On October 19 2012 09:59 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On October 19 2012 09:58 Gackt_ wrote:
Holy shit..so much text, what I got out of all the translations is that Jessica is QQ:ing and it's her fault. Am I right or have I missunderstood the whole drama? You've completely misunderstood the whole situation. It's probably not all her fault but she definitely sounded incompetent of running a business. There are people who solve problems, and there are people who let problems snowball into epic proportion, unfortunately Slayers kind of fall in latter category. Yeah I mean...so many players disliked her, it must be something that aint right with the lady..? I mean going out with all this bullshit as an example is quite stupid, lol, but now it's out. The whole translation is quite confusing but it seems that everytime a player complains she felt that she had to punish them? Or smth. And with that she made the player even more upset and more drama occoured. Ryung was sent home not as a punishment but as a preventative measure. Due to the toxic atmosphere in the SlayerS house, caused by MMA and Crank, he was allowed to practice at home in an effort to keep him from becoming dissatisfied with the team. Unfortunately for SlayerS, it didn't really work out. How does that even make sense... What kind of team send member home as a preventative measure? I'm sure every case can be explained by itself, but it's kind of mind boggling that pretty much everyone have problem seriously enough to be separated from the team. At the very least it shows Slayers has the absolutely worst judgement when it comes to recruits (which I do not believe is the case). If you had a kid who went to a school and hung around drug addicts, I'd think you'd want him to start getting to know some new people/get a degree of separation. This is a perfect analogy.
I'm pretty sure MMA is not a drug addict, and did not break any law that we know of (though we will find about Alicia's date with court TV I'm sure) so the analogy is nowhere near perfect.
Looking at Slayers problems with its members (ignore ESF issues for now)
Option A: Pretty much every member Slayers picked are rotten
Option B: Slayer house environment is so bad that everyone living there is turning into evil monsters
Option C: There are problems that occurs when a bunch young people live together, but Slayers is incapable of solving these issues and totally blowing them out of proportion
So which one it is?
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On October 19 2012 10:47 ragz_gt wrote:
I'm pretty sure MMA is not a drug addict, and did not break any law that we know of (though we will find about Alicia's date with court TV I'm sure) so the analogy is nowhere near perfect.
It has nothing to do with legality, it has to do with the issue of negative influence.
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On October 19 2012 10:47 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 10:43 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On October 19 2012 10:38 ragz_gt wrote:On October 19 2012 10:32 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On October 19 2012 10:08 Gackt_ wrote:On October 19 2012 10:03 ragz_gt wrote:On October 19 2012 09:59 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On October 19 2012 09:58 Gackt_ wrote:
Holy shit..so much text, what I got out of all the translations is that Jessica is QQ:ing and it's her fault. Am I right or have I missunderstood the whole drama? You've completely misunderstood the whole situation. It's probably not all her fault but she definitely sounded incompetent of running a business. There are people who solve problems, and there are people who let problems snowball into epic proportion, unfortunately Slayers kind of fall in latter category. Yeah I mean...so many players disliked her, it must be something that aint right with the lady..? I mean going out with all this bullshit as an example is quite stupid, lol, but now it's out. The whole translation is quite confusing but it seems that everytime a player complains she felt that she had to punish them? Or smth. And with that she made the player even more upset and more drama occoured. Ryung was sent home not as a punishment but as a preventative measure. Due to the toxic atmosphere in the SlayerS house, caused by MMA and Crank, he was allowed to practice at home in an effort to keep him from becoming dissatisfied with the team. Unfortunately for SlayerS, it didn't really work out. How does that even make sense... What kind of team send member home as a preventative measure? I'm sure every case can be explained by itself, but it's kind of mind boggling that pretty much everyone have problem seriously enough to be separated from the team. At the very least it shows Slayers has the absolutely worst judgement when it comes to recruits (which I do not believe is the case). It makes perfect sense. You have a player who you think very highly of, and the atmosphere in the teamhouse is really shitty. Since you don't want the player who's not causing problems to suffer, you let him practice from home so he can train in a more positive atmosphere. That way, you can get the one guy who's still pulling his weight away from Puzzle and Min, who are just playing LoL, Alicia, who's given his coaches an ultimatum that he's not playing team leagues anymore, Crank, who's cursing out Boxer, and MMA, who's spreading rumors and trying to convince people to break their contracts. Edit: On October 19 2012 10:43 xXFireandIceXx wrote:On October 19 2012 10:38 ragz_gt wrote:On October 19 2012 10:32 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On October 19 2012 10:08 Gackt_ wrote:On October 19 2012 10:03 ragz_gt wrote:On October 19 2012 09:59 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On October 19 2012 09:58 Gackt_ wrote:
Holy shit..so much text, what I got out of all the translations is that Jessica is QQ:ing and it's her fault. Am I right or have I missunderstood the whole drama? You've completely misunderstood the whole situation. It's probably not all her fault but she definitely sounded incompetent of running a business. There are people who solve problems, and there are people who let problems snowball into epic proportion, unfortunately Slayers kind of fall in latter category. Yeah I mean...so many players disliked her, it must be something that aint right with the lady..? I mean going out with all this bullshit as an example is quite stupid, lol, but now it's out. The whole translation is quite confusing but it seems that everytime a player complains she felt that she had to punish them? Or smth. And with that she made the player even more upset and more drama occoured. Ryung was sent home not as a punishment but as a preventative measure. Due to the toxic atmosphere in the SlayerS house, caused by MMA and Crank, he was allowed to practice at home in an effort to keep him from becoming dissatisfied with the team. Unfortunately for SlayerS, it didn't really work out. How does that even make sense... What kind of team send member home as a preventative measure? I'm sure every case can be explained by itself, but it's kind of mind boggling that pretty much everyone have problem seriously enough to be separated from the team. At the very least it shows Slayers has the absolutely worst judgement when it comes to recruits (which I do not believe is the case). If you had a kid who went to a school and hung around drug addicts, I'd think you'd want him to start getting to know some new people/get a degree of separation. This is a perfect analogy. I'm pretty sure MMA is not a drug addict, and did not break any law that we know of (though we will find about Alicia's date with court TV I'm sure) so the analogy is nowhere near perfect. Looking at Slayers problems with its members (ignore ESF issues for now) Option A: Pretty much every member Slayers picked are rotten Option B: Slayer house environment is so bad that everyone living there is turning into evil monsters Option C: There are problems that occurs when a bunch young people live together, but Slayers is incapable of solving these issues and totally blowing them out of proportion So which one it is?
LOL you do know that analogy is not point-for-point precision, only a thematic comparison right....
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On October 19 2012 10:47 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 10:43 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On October 19 2012 10:38 ragz_gt wrote:On October 19 2012 10:32 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On October 19 2012 10:08 Gackt_ wrote:On October 19 2012 10:03 ragz_gt wrote:On October 19 2012 09:59 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On October 19 2012 09:58 Gackt_ wrote:
Holy shit..so much text, what I got out of all the translations is that Jessica is QQ:ing and it's her fault. Am I right or have I missunderstood the whole drama? You've completely misunderstood the whole situation. It's probably not all her fault but she definitely sounded incompetent of running a business. There are people who solve problems, and there are people who let problems snowball into epic proportion, unfortunately Slayers kind of fall in latter category. Yeah I mean...so many players disliked her, it must be something that aint right with the lady..? I mean going out with all this bullshit as an example is quite stupid, lol, but now it's out. The whole translation is quite confusing but it seems that everytime a player complains she felt that she had to punish them? Or smth. And with that she made the player even more upset and more drama occoured. Ryung was sent home not as a punishment but as a preventative measure. Due to the toxic atmosphere in the SlayerS house, caused by MMA and Crank, he was allowed to practice at home in an effort to keep him from becoming dissatisfied with the team. Unfortunately for SlayerS, it didn't really work out. How does that even make sense... What kind of team send member home as a preventative measure? I'm sure every case can be explained by itself, but it's kind of mind boggling that pretty much everyone have problem seriously enough to be separated from the team. At the very least it shows Slayers has the absolutely worst judgement when it comes to recruits (which I do not believe is the case). It makes perfect sense. You have a player who you think very highly of, and the atmosphere in the teamhouse is really shitty. Since you don't want the player who's not causing problems to suffer, you let him practice from home so he can train in a more positive atmosphere. That way, you can get the one guy who's still pulling his weight away from Puzzle and Min, who are just playing LoL, Alicia, who's given his coaches an ultimatum that he's not playing team leagues anymore, Crank, who's cursing out Boxer, and MMA, who's spreading rumors and trying to convince people to break their contracts. Edit: On October 19 2012 10:43 xXFireandIceXx wrote:On October 19 2012 10:38 ragz_gt wrote:On October 19 2012 10:32 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On October 19 2012 10:08 Gackt_ wrote:On October 19 2012 10:03 ragz_gt wrote:On October 19 2012 09:59 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On October 19 2012 09:58 Gackt_ wrote:
Holy shit..so much text, what I got out of all the translations is that Jessica is QQ:ing and it's her fault. Am I right or have I missunderstood the whole drama? You've completely misunderstood the whole situation. It's probably not all her fault but she definitely sounded incompetent of running a business. There are people who solve problems, and there are people who let problems snowball into epic proportion, unfortunately Slayers kind of fall in latter category. Yeah I mean...so many players disliked her, it must be something that aint right with the lady..? I mean going out with all this bullshit as an example is quite stupid, lol, but now it's out. The whole translation is quite confusing but it seems that everytime a player complains she felt that she had to punish them? Or smth. And with that she made the player even more upset and more drama occoured. Ryung was sent home not as a punishment but as a preventative measure. Due to the toxic atmosphere in the SlayerS house, caused by MMA and Crank, he was allowed to practice at home in an effort to keep him from becoming dissatisfied with the team. Unfortunately for SlayerS, it didn't really work out. How does that even make sense... What kind of team send member home as a preventative measure? I'm sure every case can be explained by itself, but it's kind of mind boggling that pretty much everyone have problem seriously enough to be separated from the team. At the very least it shows Slayers has the absolutely worst judgement when it comes to recruits (which I do not believe is the case). If you had a kid who went to a school and hung around drug addicts, I'd think you'd want him to start getting to know some new people/get a degree of separation. This is a perfect analogy. I'm pretty sure MMA is not a drug addict, and did not break any law that we know of (though we will find about Alicia's date with court TV I'm sure) so the analogy is nowhere near perfect. Looking at Slayers problems with its members (ignore ESF issues for now) Option A: Pretty much every member Slayers picked are rotten Option B: Slayer house environment is so bad that everyone living there is turning into evil monsters Option C: There are problems that occurs when a bunch young people live together, but Slayers is incapable of solving these issues and totally blowing them out of proportion So which one it is?
Honestly, probably option B. When you have an employee who's actively trying to destroy your team from within, that tends to create a pretty shit atmosphere. And a little of option A. Alicia seems to be quite a fuckin' diva. Honestly. He's so pissed about having to take the bus once that he's refusing to play in GSTL.
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On October 19 2012 10:48 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 10:47 ragz_gt wrote:
I'm pretty sure MMA is not a drug addict, and did not break any law that we know of (though we will find about Alicia's date with court TV I'm sure) so the analogy is nowhere near perfect. It has nothing to do with legality, it has to do with the issue of negative influence.
The issue of negative influence is called run a damn house. Slayers is not the parents of its members (because those throw children under bus when going gets tough everyday, and Slayers is definitely not doing that), they are more like teacher of a class room. When one of the kid behaves badly, guess what you do not do? You do not kick other kids out. You solve the issue with the kid who have a problem. That's their job and responsibility running a team. Slayers definitely looks like incapable of doing that.
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And THIS, my friends, is something that would not happen in professional Hockey, Soccer, Football, Tennis or other sports. This joke of a community will never be considered serious nor professional if this is how it's leaders and "athletes" are going to comport themselves. Even this sort of transparency shouldn't be required by an organization.
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On October 19 2012 10:47 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 10:43 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On October 19 2012 10:38 ragz_gt wrote:On October 19 2012 10:32 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On October 19 2012 10:08 Gackt_ wrote:On October 19 2012 10:03 ragz_gt wrote:On October 19 2012 09:59 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On October 19 2012 09:58 Gackt_ wrote:
Holy shit..so much text, what I got out of all the translations is that Jessica is QQ:ing and it's her fault. Am I right or have I missunderstood the whole drama? You've completely misunderstood the whole situation. It's probably not all her fault but she definitely sounded incompetent of running a business. There are people who solve problems, and there are people who let problems snowball into epic proportion, unfortunately Slayers kind of fall in latter category. Yeah I mean...so many players disliked her, it must be something that aint right with the lady..? I mean going out with all this bullshit as an example is quite stupid, lol, but now it's out. The whole translation is quite confusing but it seems that everytime a player complains she felt that she had to punish them? Or smth. And with that she made the player even more upset and more drama occoured. Ryung was sent home not as a punishment but as a preventative measure. Due to the toxic atmosphere in the SlayerS house, caused by MMA and Crank, he was allowed to practice at home in an effort to keep him from becoming dissatisfied with the team. Unfortunately for SlayerS, it didn't really work out. How does that even make sense... What kind of team send member home as a preventative measure? I'm sure every case can be explained by itself, but it's kind of mind boggling that pretty much everyone have problem seriously enough to be separated from the team. At the very least it shows Slayers has the absolutely worst judgement when it comes to recruits (which I do not believe is the case). It makes perfect sense. You have a player who you think very highly of, and the atmosphere in the teamhouse is really shitty. Since you don't want the player who's not causing problems to suffer, you let him practice from home so he can train in a more positive atmosphere. That way, you can get the one guy who's still pulling his weight away from Puzzle and Min, who are just playing LoL, Alicia, who's given his coaches an ultimatum that he's not playing team leagues anymore, Crank, who's cursing out Boxer, and MMA, who's spreading rumors and trying to convince people to break their contracts. Edit: On October 19 2012 10:43 xXFireandIceXx wrote:On October 19 2012 10:38 ragz_gt wrote:On October 19 2012 10:32 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On October 19 2012 10:08 Gackt_ wrote:On October 19 2012 10:03 ragz_gt wrote:On October 19 2012 09:59 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On October 19 2012 09:58 Gackt_ wrote:
Holy shit..so much text, what I got out of all the translations is that Jessica is QQ:ing and it's her fault. Am I right or have I missunderstood the whole drama? You've completely misunderstood the whole situation. It's probably not all her fault but she definitely sounded incompetent of running a business. There are people who solve problems, and there are people who let problems snowball into epic proportion, unfortunately Slayers kind of fall in latter category. Yeah I mean...so many players disliked her, it must be something that aint right with the lady..? I mean going out with all this bullshit as an example is quite stupid, lol, but now it's out. The whole translation is quite confusing but it seems that everytime a player complains she felt that she had to punish them? Or smth. And with that she made the player even more upset and more drama occoured. Ryung was sent home not as a punishment but as a preventative measure. Due to the toxic atmosphere in the SlayerS house, caused by MMA and Crank, he was allowed to practice at home in an effort to keep him from becoming dissatisfied with the team. Unfortunately for SlayerS, it didn't really work out. How does that even make sense... What kind of team send member home as a preventative measure? I'm sure every case can be explained by itself, but it's kind of mind boggling that pretty much everyone have problem seriously enough to be separated from the team. At the very least it shows Slayers has the absolutely worst judgement when it comes to recruits (which I do not believe is the case). If you had a kid who went to a school and hung around drug addicts, I'd think you'd want him to start getting to know some new people/get a degree of separation. This is a perfect analogy. I'm pretty sure MMA is not a drug addict, and did not break any law that we know of (though we will find about Alicia's date with court TV I'm sure) so the analogy is nowhere near perfect.Looking at Slayers problems with its members (ignore ESF issues for now) Option A: Pretty much every member Slayers picked are rotten Option B: Slayer house environment is so bad that everyone living there is turning into evil monsters Option C: There are problems that occurs when a bunch young people live together, but Slayers is incapable of solving these issues and totally blowing them out of proportion So which one it is?
Do you know what an analogy is?
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Think about it this way: Slayers's environment was totally different from the other teams because, by the power of Boxer, they were handed money and lucrative support right from the start. The players never had to go through sweating blood like Boxer's generation did in order to get this kind of support and probably didn't appreciate it. Infact, judging by some statements, it seems they took it for granted and let it get to their head. Compared to other teams that were in relative poverty, it is entirely feasible that only Slayers eventually had an environment that was toxic due to their special circumstances.
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On October 19 2012 10:53 zakmaa wrote:
And THIS, my friends, is something that would not happen in professional Hockey, Soccer, Football, Tennis or other sports. This joke of a community will never be considered serious nor professional if this is how it's leaders and "athletes" are going to comport themselves. Even this sort of transparency shouldn't be required by an organization.
LOL is does happen in Hockey, Soccer, Football, Tennis and other sports....
Only difference is they back and forth argue on TV and in Press Releases instead of the internet....
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On October 19 2012 10:53 zakmaa wrote:
And THIS, my friends, is something that would not happen in professional Hockey, Soccer, Football, Tennis or other sports. This joke of a community will never be considered serious nor professional if this is how it's leaders and "athletes" are going to comport themselves. Even this sort of transparency shouldn't be required by an organization.
Are you serious? It happens literally all the time. The only difference is that the backing money is so much bigger that the team can get rid of all the players and start completely over.
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On October 19 2012 10:49 xXFireandIceXx wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 10:47 ragz_gt wrote:On October 19 2012 10:43 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On October 19 2012 10:38 ragz_gt wrote:On October 19 2012 10:32 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On October 19 2012 10:08 Gackt_ wrote:On October 19 2012 10:03 ragz_gt wrote:On October 19 2012 09:59 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On October 19 2012 09:58 Gackt_ wrote:
Holy shit..so much text, what I got out of all the translations is that Jessica is QQ:ing and it's her fault. Am I right or have I missunderstood the whole drama? You've completely misunderstood the whole situation. It's probably not all her fault but she definitely sounded incompetent of running a business. There are people who solve problems, and there are people who let problems snowball into epic proportion, unfortunately Slayers kind of fall in latter category. Yeah I mean...so many players disliked her, it must be something that aint right with the lady..? I mean going out with all this bullshit as an example is quite stupid, lol, but now it's out. The whole translation is quite confusing but it seems that everytime a player complains she felt that she had to punish them? Or smth. And with that she made the player even more upset and more drama occoured. Ryung was sent home not as a punishment but as a preventative measure. Due to the toxic atmosphere in the SlayerS house, caused by MMA and Crank, he was allowed to practice at home in an effort to keep him from becoming dissatisfied with the team. Unfortunately for SlayerS, it didn't really work out. How does that even make sense... What kind of team send member home as a preventative measure? I'm sure every case can be explained by itself, but it's kind of mind boggling that pretty much everyone have problem seriously enough to be separated from the team. At the very least it shows Slayers has the absolutely worst judgement when it comes to recruits (which I do not believe is the case). It makes perfect sense. You have a player who you think very highly of, and the atmosphere in the teamhouse is really shitty. Since you don't want the player who's not causing problems to suffer, you let him practice from home so he can train in a more positive atmosphere. That way, you can get the one guy who's still pulling his weight away from Puzzle and Min, who are just playing LoL, Alicia, who's given his coaches an ultimatum that he's not playing team leagues anymore, Crank, who's cursing out Boxer, and MMA, who's spreading rumors and trying to convince people to break their contracts. Edit: On October 19 2012 10:43 xXFireandIceXx wrote:On October 19 2012 10:38 ragz_gt wrote:On October 19 2012 10:32 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On October 19 2012 10:08 Gackt_ wrote:On October 19 2012 10:03 ragz_gt wrote:On October 19 2012 09:59 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On October 19 2012 09:58 Gackt_ wrote:
Holy shit..so much text, what I got out of all the translations is that Jessica is QQ:ing and it's her fault. Am I right or have I missunderstood the whole drama? You've completely misunderstood the whole situation. It's probably not all her fault but she definitely sounded incompetent of running a business. There are people who solve problems, and there are people who let problems snowball into epic proportion, unfortunately Slayers kind of fall in latter category. Yeah I mean...so many players disliked her, it must be something that aint right with the lady..? I mean going out with all this bullshit as an example is quite stupid, lol, but now it's out. The whole translation is quite confusing but it seems that everytime a player complains she felt that she had to punish them? Or smth. And with that she made the player even more upset and more drama occoured. Ryung was sent home not as a punishment but as a preventative measure. Due to the toxic atmosphere in the SlayerS house, caused by MMA and Crank, he was allowed to practice at home in an effort to keep him from becoming dissatisfied with the team. Unfortunately for SlayerS, it didn't really work out. How does that even make sense... What kind of team send member home as a preventative measure? I'm sure every case can be explained by itself, but it's kind of mind boggling that pretty much everyone have problem seriously enough to be separated from the team. At the very least it shows Slayers has the absolutely worst judgement when it comes to recruits (which I do not believe is the case). If you had a kid who went to a school and hung around drug addicts, I'd think you'd want him to start getting to know some new people/get a degree of separation. This is a perfect analogy. I'm pretty sure MMA is not a drug addict, and did not break any law that we know of (though we will find about Alicia's date with court TV I'm sure) so the analogy is nowhere near perfect. Looking at Slayers problems with its members (ignore ESF issues for now) Option A: Pretty much every member Slayers picked are rotten Option B: Slayer house environment is so bad that everyone living there is turning into evil monsters Option C: There are problems that occurs when a bunch young people live together, but Slayers is incapable of solving these issues and totally blowing them out of proportion So which one it is? LOL you do know that analogy is not point-for-point precision, only a thematic comparison right....
The point being that MMA is having issue when young people living together in a competitive high pressure situation. It's teams job to solve these issues. In your analogy, the parent does not care about the drug addict in any way besides keep him as far away as own kids. As crazy as it sound, Slayers probably should and did care for MMA. If Slayers taking your approach and just keep everyone away from problematic members, they are pretty incompetent.
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On October 19 2012 10:53 zakmaa wrote:
And THIS, my friends, is something that would not happen in professional Hockey, Soccer, Football, Tennis or other sports. This joke of a community will never be considered serious nor professional if this is how it's leaders and "athletes" are going to comport themselves. Even this sort of transparency shouldn't be required by an organization.
Don't be ridiculous. Far worse things have happened in professional sports. Hit list scandal in NFL? Penn state scandal? Match fixing/betting multiple times across various sports, etc. This is nothing compared to a lot of stuff in professional sports.
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On October 19 2012 10:53 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 10:48 Dfgj wrote:On October 19 2012 10:47 ragz_gt wrote:
I'm pretty sure MMA is not a drug addict, and did not break any law that we know of (though we will find about Alicia's date with court TV I'm sure) so the analogy is nowhere near perfect. It has nothing to do with legality, it has to do with the issue of negative influence. The issue of negative influence is called run a damn house. Slayers is not the parents of its members (because those throw children under bus when going gets tough everyday, and Slayers is definitely not doing that), they are more like teacher of a class room. When one of the kid behaves badly, guess what you do not do? You do not kick other kids out. You solve the issue with the kid who have a problem. That's their job and responsibility running a team. Slayers definitely looks like incapable of doing that.
You need to pay attention and read the damn documents.
This isn't a situation of one player misbehaving. You need to realize that. There's a lot more going on here than that.
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On October 19 2012 09:52 Gorlin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 09:38 Xyik wrote:
SlayerS players sound like a bunch of spoiled brats. Honestly, be thankful you had the support of a great team and could make a living off of playing a video game. Sometimes people just forget how lucky they are ... It absolutely baffles me that people like you make such stupid fucking conjectures like that with only one source at your disposal who is well known to bend the truth. I've liked Jessica well enough, and definitely disagree with the idiots who post shit like "what do you expect from a drama actress, that bitch is crazy", but it cannot be denied that, one, a lot of trouble is centered on her, and two, there have been many instances where she manipulates the truth to some degree. How could you possibly think, that by some ridiculous chance, all the SlayerS players just happened to be considerably more immature and stupid than the players on other teams? That's just inane. Do some fucking research, read the other sources, and fucking think before making personal attacks on people with based solely off a single, not entirely trustworthy source. Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 09:11 Xiphos wrote:On October 19 2012 09:04 DyEnasTy wrote:
Well, if Jessica and Boxer are truthful, I sincerely hope Liquid and EG dont pick up any of their trash. That will be the last day I root for either team if one of the problem players are picked up. MMA yelled at BoxeR because he think that he is being treated as slave. And then BoxeR looked at it and thought to himself "This guy have no idea what is he talking about. He don't know the days where you have to live in a crampy apartment with 5 other guys while living off of instant noodles and would split a mere 100 dollar price pool just to be alive. What have I made, what did this industry have come into? Oh well, there is always SKT to go back to." Which I applaud him, SKT would never complain about anything. Bisu would watch his replays in conjunction to practicing. I can't even imagine Oov having attitude with BoxeR even though Oov have had more accomplishment under his belt. Same to you kid. Looking at your posts, it's extremely clear how little respect you have for the non-Kespa teams, and it's entirely obvious how you are perceiving this incident to reinforce your idea that the infallible former Brood War teams would never have these problems, and how Boxer has finally seen the light and gone back to his "true" home. Fuck you and stop being so shallow.
I think someone is simply rattled because of their team getting disbanded.
Just accept that BW teams' infrastructure is much better enforced.
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Jessica embezzling money from SlayerS... that's a steep accusation, but it would make sense as to why the team went on such a sharp and sudden decline... Imagine the amount of tension in the house not only as a result of that, but also building up to that point where MMA had garnered the courage to tell her. Surely the players all knew/suspected it, and MMA as the most successful player and leader decided to speak on behalf of the team.
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On October 19 2012 10:54 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 10:47 ragz_gt wrote:On October 19 2012 10:43 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On October 19 2012 10:38 ragz_gt wrote:On October 19 2012 10:32 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On October 19 2012 10:08 Gackt_ wrote:On October 19 2012 10:03 ragz_gt wrote:On October 19 2012 09:59 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On October 19 2012 09:58 Gackt_ wrote:
Holy shit..so much text, what I got out of all the translations is that Jessica is QQ:ing and it's her fault. Am I right or have I missunderstood the whole drama? You've completely misunderstood the whole situation. It's probably not all her fault but she definitely sounded incompetent of running a business. There are people who solve problems, and there are people who let problems snowball into epic proportion, unfortunately Slayers kind of fall in latter category. Yeah I mean...so many players disliked her, it must be something that aint right with the lady..? I mean going out with all this bullshit as an example is quite stupid, lol, but now it's out. The whole translation is quite confusing but it seems that everytime a player complains she felt that she had to punish them? Or smth. And with that she made the player even more upset and more drama occoured. Ryung was sent home not as a punishment but as a preventative measure. Due to the toxic atmosphere in the SlayerS house, caused by MMA and Crank, he was allowed to practice at home in an effort to keep him from becoming dissatisfied with the team. Unfortunately for SlayerS, it didn't really work out. How does that even make sense... What kind of team send member home as a preventative measure? I'm sure every case can be explained by itself, but it's kind of mind boggling that pretty much everyone have problem seriously enough to be separated from the team. At the very least it shows Slayers has the absolutely worst judgement when it comes to recruits (which I do not believe is the case). It makes perfect sense. You have a player who you think very highly of, and the atmosphere in the teamhouse is really shitty. Since you don't want the player who's not causing problems to suffer, you let him practice from home so he can train in a more positive atmosphere. That way, you can get the one guy who's still pulling his weight away from Puzzle and Min, who are just playing LoL, Alicia, who's given his coaches an ultimatum that he's not playing team leagues anymore, Crank, who's cursing out Boxer, and MMA, who's spreading rumors and trying to convince people to break their contracts. Edit: On October 19 2012 10:43 xXFireandIceXx wrote:On October 19 2012 10:38 ragz_gt wrote:On October 19 2012 10:32 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On October 19 2012 10:08 Gackt_ wrote:On October 19 2012 10:03 ragz_gt wrote:On October 19 2012 09:59 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On October 19 2012 09:58 Gackt_ wrote:
Holy shit..so much text, what I got out of all the translations is that Jessica is QQ:ing and it's her fault. Am I right or have I missunderstood the whole drama? You've completely misunderstood the whole situation. It's probably not all her fault but she definitely sounded incompetent of running a business. There are people who solve problems, and there are people who let problems snowball into epic proportion, unfortunately Slayers kind of fall in latter category. Yeah I mean...so many players disliked her, it must be something that aint right with the lady..? I mean going out with all this bullshit as an example is quite stupid, lol, but now it's out. The whole translation is quite confusing but it seems that everytime a player complains she felt that she had to punish them? Or smth. And with that she made the player even more upset and more drama occoured. Ryung was sent home not as a punishment but as a preventative measure. Due to the toxic atmosphere in the SlayerS house, caused by MMA and Crank, he was allowed to practice at home in an effort to keep him from becoming dissatisfied with the team. Unfortunately for SlayerS, it didn't really work out. How does that even make sense... What kind of team send member home as a preventative measure? I'm sure every case can be explained by itself, but it's kind of mind boggling that pretty much everyone have problem seriously enough to be separated from the team. At the very least it shows Slayers has the absolutely worst judgement when it comes to recruits (which I do not believe is the case). If you had a kid who went to a school and hung around drug addicts, I'd think you'd want him to start getting to know some new people/get a degree of separation. This is a perfect analogy. I'm pretty sure MMA is not a drug addict, and did not break any law that we know of (though we will find about Alicia's date with court TV I'm sure) so the analogy is nowhere near perfect.Looking at Slayers problems with its members (ignore ESF issues for now) Option A: Pretty much every member Slayers picked are rotten Option B: Slayer house environment is so bad that everyone living there is turning into evil monsters Option C: There are problems that occurs when a bunch young people live together, but Slayers is incapable of solving these issues and totally blowing them out of proportion So which one it is? Do you know what an analogy is?
I know analogy is NOT trying to keep everyone away from your team's best player like he is radioactive or something. Solve the problem. If it is unsolvable (which I'm highly doubt) then release him.
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