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Coach Won needs to quit (I sort of knew he was this type of person from the Pantech BW days) and I can feel as if the ESF might disband. It was always intriguing to know the real reason why slayers weren't part of the ESF, where slayers was made from ground up by the Emperor himself from his own pocket (I mean hes the guy that made progaming possible in the Korean airforce + made significant contributions to even have games played live on national TV!). Can't believe that all he does is cry and qq at this very moment because he missed his timing window for publicly apologising to save face.
People shit on dogspa for being dicks (which to some degree are) but bullying in the year 2012?? ahaha I cant even imagine how most Koreans would view this from a "professional organisation". The legitimacy of esports takes a hit with move. Atleast dogspa had discipline and control (Maybe too much sometimes), which can be reflected on the players that are in the pro teams. They are much much more committed to what Ive seen in the SC2 side of things (no loyalties and no respect).
When you look at Lim Yo Hwan and his wife Jessica, they basically spent their time trying to invest in esports via SC2. I mean they didn't really need to do it in the first place, but they did and out of their own pocket. Yet if their efforts were shat on described by those events in the OP.. I can see why Boxer was pretty much dismantled mentally. Its like someone swearing at you after a day of hard work.
Drama or not, all this shit has to sort itself out because ESF could just be just as bad as KeSPA except formed by those who could not be part of KeSPA (or have "high" positions) so they just made their own organisation by jumping onto SC2 early. "For the fans and esports" is just pure BS most of the time and I hope this kind of incident really weeds out those that really hurt the SC2 scene as a whole whether or not it maybe not be perceived as so.
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On October 18 2012 19:03 Fionn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 19:00 mongmong wrote:Basically Coach Won claimed that Jessica once demanded ridiculous amount of transfer fee for MMA from foreign teams, to which Jessica disputed backed up with evidence. http://www.inven.co.kr/webzine/news/?news=48819this article clarifies that Jessica approached Nazgul by email and offered MMA to Team Liquid without ANY transfer fee involved. But Nazgul declined because he had already planned on which players to recruit according to the article 0_0 Wow, so close to Liquid`MMA. I hope Jessica had Nazgul's approval to actually post that private e-mail out in the open.
I was worried about that too 
but in the email its jessica (it was in september 2012) that asked Nazgul to
keep it secret.
I hope she did get an approval from him 
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On October 18 2012 19:00 mongmong wrote:Basically Coach Won claimed that Jessica once demanded ridiculous amount of transfer fee for MMA from foreign teams, to which Jessica disputed backed up with evidence. http://www.inven.co.kr/webzine/news/?news=48819this article clarifies that Jessica approached Nazgul by email and offered MMA to Team Liquid without ANY transfer fee involved. But Nazgul declined because he had already planned on which players to recruit according to the article 0_0
Wow Jessica was serious when she said that she has evidences to back up all her claim. At this point people should just come out and tell the truth or keep it quiet
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So was Coach Won lying? Why are people saying things that aren't true when it is obviously going to come out and make them look horrible.
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How can anyone wish good luck to Alicia in the other thread after this? How can any foreign team approach him? I hope he will heavily think through how he acted leading to end like this.
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On October 18 2012 19:09 zefreak wrote:
So was Coach Won lying? Why are people saying things that aren't true when it is obviously going to come out and make them look horrible.
Of course. Jessica has all the evidence and the only thing Coach Wons got is "reasons" for why those things happened ala excuses.
Plus Coach Won's twitter is quite hilarious hahaha How can you say that shes a thorn in your side @_@
Really showing the kind of a person he is.
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Poor Boxer and Jessica, really spending so much money out of your own pocket, caring for your players, having the establishment fight against you and lie to you.
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On October 18 2012 18:45 openbox1 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 18:03 SinCitta wrote:
People seem comfortable to judge the situation with the portrayal of single heavily involved person. Just because some points are true doesn't mean everything is or the whole narrative is like it is presented.
There is always more than one side of the story. Why did half of the players turn against her? Her story gives very simplistic reasons at most. Especially the "all players were just given too much early on and became spoiled brats and have bad characters". Real people don't act like that. Why was it so easy for the manager J to convince the players she was embezzling money? He must have been speaking to open ears. Money is where things get real. Why was, according to her, everyone conspiring against her while she did seemingly nothing wrong? Seriously, this is the tone throughout her whole story. How would you judge a person in real life doing the same? You are very, very sceptical.
I don't know if some businesses are run like that in Korea, but it sounds like she ran SlayerS with the "infallible mother model" (she was playing with that image a lot, also). It sounds she treated adults and adolescents like kids, incapable to think for themselves and constantly feels betrayed whenever they don't do what she wants. In sports, when there are problems between the coach/manager and the players the players have a go-to-guy like the president who can then mediate. Problem in SlayerS is that the "president" is engaged with the manager! It works when everyone is happy but it explodes in situations like this. In the end, regardless if you believe or don't believe in "unfortunate chains of events", "conspiracies" and "players without character", she failed as a manager (who needs to keep shit together and working regardless of egos and external influences).
Even though I really sound against her in this post, I don't really have picked a side. It is just what I would be thinking if anyone told me a story like she does. ???I don't really have picked a side??? Writing two long paragraphs of thinly veiled insinuations, and then say "I'm keeping an open mind." Ummm ok. Its fine to lean towards one point of view. Its the internet and this is a gaming forum, but please don't try to pretend to be impartial...
Although you have every right and reason to say that, I think that I am best to evaluate what I think.
First paragraph - introduction/opening statement.
Second paragraph - showing the complexity of the situation and depict where I have doubts and suspicions because of the form and tone of the statements. I have no need to repeat what is in the statement already. This would make the "long" paragraphs even longer only to make it sound more balanced. In the end, only very few people know the whole story and every one of them evaluates it differently.
Third paragraph - Conclusion without choosing who is right. But saying that compared to management in a real sports team, SlayerS ultimately failed which points to Jessica but obviously everyone involved lost here.
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Seeing all those shitty deals ESF would never be able to deal with any severe happenings a'la Match Fixing scandals. It would simply resolve itself and said "deal with it yourself". This is all so amateurish... a person who actually records stuff manages to put whole scene on its head lmao.
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On October 18 2012 19:14 leveller wrote:
Poor Boxer and Jessica, really spending so much money out of your own pocket, caring for your players, having the establishment fight against you and lie to you.
And the icying on the cake is the kids on TL saying "oh more drama yawn" .. They dont realise how FAR esports has gotten from what it was in 1999. They just dont appreciate it enough like the current brew of SC2 players that jump to foreign teams (where freedom and $$$ is at) at any given opportunity.
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Fucking hell..
Tears man, serious tears...
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How can so many people bash Jessica??? I just dont get it, some people really want to see the world burn.
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I for one think that this misterious "J" is none other than Gus Ledesma, E-Sports through arch nemesis. He has claimed yet another victim.
But in all seriousness, I think that the only things Jessica can be accused of is being such an overprotective mommy for the slayers players that the couldn't see their wrong doings, and would lash out way to harshly against anyone who was tryin to hurt her "cubs". She might not be the best manager but I do believe her intentions were true.
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Wow, from what I've read, I'm really disappointed by some players. I'm interested to see their side of view, but it really seems you need a firm hand to run a team (hi kespa) and it's best to start from the bottom.
The biggest victim in this is Boxer, trying his best to get esports further and getting backstabbed I really hope he moves on, does well as SKT head coach and gets his passion back.
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I don't think a lot of people see, where this is going. To me it seems more and more, that this is the final revenge of Jessica on the esF and its teams. She seems well prepared with some "evidents", that don't really tell much, but try to make the opposition look bad in the eye of the public. the esF should be very careful now, since Jessica's initial statement was not a justification of Slayers disbanding but a planned attack with the goal to destroy esF.
And people seem to misjudge the situation. If esF falls apart, its teams will fall too sooner or later. And this might be the very end of SC2, because this will cost the game A LOT of fans.
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Jessica meant serious war when she decided to publish the article. This will go on quite a while i guess.
And also, funny this came out publicly once Boxer was being announced as head coach for SKT (correct me if im wrong)..
Hmmmm...
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I still believe in Jessica, she may have over reacted in some cases but at least she is always telling what she thinks and open about it.
Or maybe it's the effect of "boxer's wing"? I surely hope slayers disbanding won't affect boxer and her relationship
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On October 18 2012 19:18 YyapSsap wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 19:14 leveller wrote:
Poor Boxer and Jessica, really spending so much money out of your own pocket, caring for your players, having the establishment fight against you and lie to you. And the icying on the cake is the kids on TL saying "oh more drama yawn" .. They dont realise how FAR esports has gotten from what it was in 1999. They just dont appreciate it enough like the current brew of SC2 players that jump to foreign teams (where freedom and $$$ is at) at any given opportunity.
Had foreign Broodwar been as big as it was in Korea i am sure players would have jumped aswell.
The past isn't better any way you make it, people always make a choice for money any period of time it's human nature, you want the best oppertunity for you yourself.
Back then all the money was in Korea so they stayed there, now it's not so they take other oppertunity's.
I honestly have no idea why you would think that comment is relevent.
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jessica aint messing around
seems shes prepared to fight and she has all the evidence to prove it if questioned
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