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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
October 18 2012 08:54 GMT
#2341
Hahaha the "Alex Garfield = Manager J" guys just made my day, the only logical explanation . This is just way too good.
EG... killing e-sports every time, I bet they cursed Slayers.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
ramask2
Profile Joined June 2011
Thailand1024 Posts
October 18 2012 08:58 GMT
#2342
No matter the truth, I'm at least happy that Cella came out of this relatively unscathed (probably hurt mentally and emotionally). He will be an asset to any other team in the future.
FidoDido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1292 Posts
October 18 2012 08:58 GMT
#2343
Jessica wants to sue everybody. I hope MMA and Ryung joins EG, at least with EG, I know they can hire lawyers that will beat Jessica in court.
LGIMSeed FantasyToss~~ Hipster Seed fan before he made Code A
BobbyAwesome
Profile Joined May 2012
Canada21 Posts
October 18 2012 09:00 GMT
#2344
On October 18 2012 16:04 Inori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 15:56 zefreak wrote:
On October 18 2012 15:52 Taku wrote:
On October 18 2012 15:43 Acrofales wrote:
On October 18 2012 15:32 Taku wrote:
On October 18 2012 15:21 Mefano wrote:
How did people even start to blame Jessica in any way shape or form? Was there something I missed out on reading? Is the prejudice towards women so big? I sure as hell don't see what she did wrong except doing so much for everyone, now she is mad because she was backstabbed people dismiss her? What the hell, this makes me loose faith in the sc2 community...

Agree with this, not sure if it's misogyny, some grudge, bandwagoning , or just being stupid. I mean really, who has a higher chance of being out of their depth and unprofessional: A woman who is already famous and well off as an actor and entertainer or some glory-chasing teenagers/young adults who haven't done much else in the world?

I don't think anybody is doubting that Jessica's trying hard to lead the team. However, this is not the first incident of her causing e-drama over something the players/other teams/the press did. Additionally, it is not a 1v1: she is blaming a LOT of people (players, coaches, managers). It is simple Ockham's razor to say she is blowing shit out of proportion, rather than that ALL those other people are lying.

Being a drama queen is not doing anybody any favours, least of all Jessica herself. And being a woman has absolutely nothing to do with it. In fact, I would say you people implying that the only reason people side against Jessica is because she's a woman is ignorant and sexist.

Okay so lets say Jessica was infact James, aka not female. "Prominent" male members of the community have infact stirred just as much shit but it seems only Jessica gets stuck with the 'drama queen' label. And it's even worse because as mentioned she actually has a very successful and mainstream career in Korea whilst everyone else involved asides from Boxer is just, to be blunt, small-fry. I can't believe people are still denying that the whole 'Jessica is a drama-queen' narrative is nothing but sexist and does nothing but demean the community further than it already has been.


I find it hard to believe that people calling Jessica a drama queen are not to some extent influenced by that old career woman stereotype of being pushy, emotional and manipulative.

This thread alone should be enough to conclude that she is a drama queen.
Most of the accusations are opinionated and blown out of proportion. But then again it doesn't even matter who's right or wrong at this point, it should've been handled internally to avoid what has just happened. Or does she really think that she'll just throw accusations against a whole group of people and expect nobody to retort, bringing in even more drama?
As a potential sponsor I'd try to get as far away from this shitstorm as possible.

Jessica is quite literally hurting esports.


This post is consistent with the various people here who lack any respect for an individual trying to tell their side of the story; a side in which they decide to ignore the information provided, the evidence given for said information and a plain reading of the text. These same individuals also commit various logical fallacies to reach their ultimately ignorant conclusions. There is no such thing as no bias. But an effort to take a person at their word goes a long way in understanding their intentions.

Case in point:
On October 18 2012 15:43 Acrofales wrote:
Additionally, it is not a 1v1: she is blaming a LOT of people (players, coaches, managers). It is simple Ockham's razor to say she is blowing shit out of proportion, rather than that ALL those other people are lying.


What is with people and misusing Ockham's razor? The concept does not say that the simplest answer is always right. The concept is also deflated to an irrelevant philosophical aphorism when actual facts are presented to the contrary. Oh, and facts have been presented to the contrary, to a variety of her claims. I would like to clarify that I do not believe that her statements are without a taint of her own bias. But sometimes bias is just that. It is the coloring of ones opinions by their vantage point. Or simply, it is just how they saw it go down. Not a deliberate deception.

I think the evidence in this thread has established Jessica, not as a Drama Queen seeking to gain....something (what I am not exactly sure the haters thinks she gains from this), but as an individual full well knowing the community would go all National Enquirer on this if she didn't step up and say it like it is.

I think that by putting this all out there, as she saw it, is the best way for her to be held accountable for what has occurred and what has yet to be revealed. So if she is deceiving us in any way, then it will come to light rather soon. But since much of what she has said has been largely verified in some way, I think we can give her the benefit of the doubt unless someone speaks to the contrary and also has their statements verified.

Was she exaggerating some of the stories? Perhaps. Like the arguments between Crank/MMA and Boxer. Did they really yell at each other? Not sure that actually matters. I have had many heated arguments that never reached high decibels, so the concern whether she was exaggerating over the argument intensity is just a logical fallacy known as a red herring. It is an irrelevant issue in relation to the credibility of Jessica's story. Perhaps it was not a yelling match, but the emotional intensity can leave that impression on a memory. Like I said, she is not free of bias, but it doesn't take away from the intended implications of her viewpoint.

There is something in this whole thread that is lost in the translations and the context. It is chemistry. Regardless if Jessica is 100% correct or 0%, the reality is that there are personal chemistry elements that would be rather impossible for either side to convey, especially after translation to English, but even to themselves. Jessica may have contributed to the bad chemistry, she may have not.

But in her defense, she has quite often been an open book. Very emotional, very outspoken. This is where some label her a Drama Queen. But I see it far differently. Because of her history of being so open, it most certainly shows us that she isn't afraid to say something to get the truth out there. Whether that causes 'drama' or not is of little concern to her it seems. Rightly so. It doesn't matter. She just wants people to know what is up thus staying accountable.

Which brings me to this:

On October 18 2012 16:04 Inori wrote:
This thread alone should be enough to conclude that she is a drama queen.
..........
Or does she really think that she'll just throw accusations against a whole group of people and expect nobody to retort, bringing in even more drama?


Let's say MMA brought forth all of these revelations first. If Jessica didn't say something first, someone was sure going to. So what if it was MMA? Or Crank? Would you label them 'bad for esports' ? Would they be the ones with the holier then thou complex looking to come off as a white knight in a dark time to better sparkle in front of potential sponsors and teams? Would this have been your stance? Not likely.

One does not go out and say the things Jessica did, expecting others to curl up and crawl in a corner. One says things as she did as a way of opening the book for all to see. In a way she is calling them out. First. Otherwise everyone would accuse her of actually changing her story to try to smooth things over or whatever trolls say nowadays.

Anyway, in conclusion, I believe that Jessica is better manager then nearly any of us here could ever be. She may not be as professional as she should be, but at least she is as open and forthcoming as others ought to.

Full disclosure: MMA is my all time favorite terran. Ever. So all of this actually depresses me. A lot.
ALSO I follow Jessica on twitter. Does that count as bias? I can't even read Korean.....meh.
Without me, it's just aweso.
SinCitta
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany2127 Posts
October 18 2012 09:03 GMT
#2345
People seem comfortable to judge the situation with the portrayal of single heavily involved person. Just because some points are true doesn't mean everything is or the whole narrative is like it is presented.

There is always more than one side of the story. Why did half of the players turn against her? Her story gives very simplistic reasons at most. Especially the "all players were just given too much early on and became spoiled brats and have bad characters". Real people don't act like that. Why was it so easy for the manager J to convince the players she was embezzling money? He must have been speaking to open ears. Money is where things get real. Why was, according to her, everyone conspiring against her while she did seemingly nothing wrong? Seriously, this is the tone throughout her whole story. How would you judge a person in real life doing the same? You are very, very sceptical.

I don't know if some businesses are run like that in Korea, but it sounds like she ran SlayerS with the "infallible mother model" (she was playing with that image a lot, also). It sounds she treated adults and adolescents like kids, incapable to think for themselves and constantly feels betrayed whenever they don't do what she wants. In sports, when there are problems between the coach/manager and the players the players have a go-to-guy like the president who can then mediate. Problem in SlayerS is that the "president" is engaged with the manager! It works when everyone is happy but it explodes in situations like this. In the end, regardless if you believe or don't believe in "unfortunate chains of events", "conspiracies" and "players without character", she failed as a manager (who needs to keep shit together and working regardless of egos and external influences).

Even though I really sound against her in this post, I don't really have picked a side. It is just what I would be thinking if anyone told me a story like she does.
soullogik
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1171 Posts
October 18 2012 09:05 GMT
#2346
i think everyone should be forced to watch "boxers wings" before being allowed to post on this thread...
young ho
lambac0re
Profile Joined August 2011
United States77 Posts
October 18 2012 09:06 GMT
#2347
On October 18 2012 18:00 BobbyAwesome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 16:04 Inori wrote:
On October 18 2012 15:56 zefreak wrote:
On October 18 2012 15:52 Taku wrote:
On October 18 2012 15:43 Acrofales wrote:
On October 18 2012 15:32 Taku wrote:
On October 18 2012 15:21 Mefano wrote:
How did people even start to blame Jessica in any way shape or form? Was there something I missed out on reading? Is the prejudice towards women so big? I sure as hell don't see what she did wrong except doing so much for everyone, now she is mad because she was backstabbed people dismiss her? What the hell, this makes me loose faith in the sc2 community...

Agree with this, not sure if it's misogyny, some grudge, bandwagoning , or just being stupid. I mean really, who has a higher chance of being out of their depth and unprofessional: A woman who is already famous and well off as an actor and entertainer or some glory-chasing teenagers/young adults who haven't done much else in the world?

I don't think anybody is doubting that Jessica's trying hard to lead the team. However, this is not the first incident of her causing e-drama over something the players/other teams/the press did. Additionally, it is not a 1v1: she is blaming a LOT of people (players, coaches, managers). It is simple Ockham's razor to say she is blowing shit out of proportion, rather than that ALL those other people are lying.

Being a drama queen is not doing anybody any favours, least of all Jessica herself. And being a woman has absolutely nothing to do with it. In fact, I would say you people implying that the only reason people side against Jessica is because she's a woman is ignorant and sexist.

Okay so lets say Jessica was infact James, aka not female. "Prominent" male members of the community have infact stirred just as much shit but it seems only Jessica gets stuck with the 'drama queen' label. And it's even worse because as mentioned she actually has a very successful and mainstream career in Korea whilst everyone else involved asides from Boxer is just, to be blunt, small-fry. I can't believe people are still denying that the whole 'Jessica is a drama-queen' narrative is nothing but sexist and does nothing but demean the community further than it already has been.


I find it hard to believe that people calling Jessica a drama queen are not to some extent influenced by that old career woman stereotype of being pushy, emotional and manipulative.

This thread alone should be enough to conclude that she is a drama queen.
Most of the accusations are opinionated and blown out of proportion. But then again it doesn't even matter who's right or wrong at this point, it should've been handled internally to avoid what has just happened. Or does she really think that she'll just throw accusations against a whole group of people and expect nobody to retort, bringing in even more drama?
As a potential sponsor I'd try to get as far away from this shitstorm as possible.

Jessica is quite literally hurting esports.


This post is consistent with the various people here who lack any respect for an individual trying to tell their side of the story; a side in which they decide to ignore the information provided, the evidence given for said information and a plain reading of the text. These same individuals also commit various logical fallacies to reach their ultimately ignorant conclusions. There is no such thing as no bias. But an effort to take a person at their word goes a long way in understanding their intentions.

Case in point:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 15:43 Acrofales wrote:
Additionally, it is not a 1v1: she is blaming a LOT of people (players, coaches, managers). It is simple Ockham's razor to say she is blowing shit out of proportion, rather than that ALL those other people are lying.


What is with people and misusing Ockham's razor? The concept does not say that the simplest answer is always right. The concept is also deflated to an irrelevant philosophical aphorism when actual facts are presented to the contrary. Oh, and facts have been presented to the contrary, to a variety of her claims. I would like to clarify that I do not believe that her statements are without a taint of her own bias. But sometimes bias is just that. It is the coloring of ones opinions by their vantage point. Or simply, it is just how they saw it go down. Not a deliberate deception.

I think the evidence in this thread has established Jessica, not as a Drama Queen seeking to gain....something (what I am not exactly sure the haters thinks she gains from this), but as an individual full well knowing the community would go all National Enquirer on this if she didn't step up and say it like it is.

I think that by putting this all out there, as she saw it, is the best way for her to be held accountable for what has occurred and what has yet to be revealed. So if she is deceiving us in any way, then it will come to light rather soon. But since much of what she has said has been largely verified in some way, I think we can give her the benefit of the doubt unless someone speaks to the contrary and also has their statements verified.

Was she exaggerating some of the stories? Perhaps. Like the arguments between Crank/MMA and Boxer. Did they really yell at each other? Not sure that actually matters. I have had many heated arguments that never reached high decibels, so the concern whether she was exaggerating over the argument intensity is just a logical fallacy known as a red herring. It is an irrelevant issue in relation to the credibility of Jessica's story. Perhaps it was not a yelling match, but the emotional intensity can leave that impression on a memory. Like I said, she is not free of bias, but it doesn't take away from the intended implications of her viewpoint.

There is something in this whole thread that is lost in the translations and the context. It is chemistry. Regardless if Jessica is 100% correct or 0%, the reality is that there are personal chemistry elements that would be rather impossible for either side to convey, especially after translation to English, but even to themselves. Jessica may have contributed to the bad chemistry, she may have not.

But in her defense, she has quite often been an open book. Very emotional, very outspoken. This is where some label her a Drama Queen. But I see it far differently. Because of her history of being so open, it most certainly shows us that she isn't afraid to say something to get the truth out there. Whether that causes 'drama' or not is of little concern to her it seems. Rightly so. It doesn't matter. She just wants people to know what is up thus staying accountable.

Which brings me to this:

Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 16:04 Inori wrote:
This thread alone should be enough to conclude that she is a drama queen.
..........
Or does she really think that she'll just throw accusations against a whole group of people and expect nobody to retort, bringing in even more drama?


Let's say MMA brought forth all of these revelations first. If Jessica didn't say something first, someone was sure going to. So what if it was MMA? Or Crank? Would you label them 'bad for esports' ? Would they be the ones with the holier then thou complex looking to come off as a white knight in a dark time to better sparkle in front of potential sponsors and teams? Would this have been your stance? Not likely.

One does not go out and say the things Jessica did, expecting others to curl up and crawl in a corner. One says things as she did as a way of opening the book for all to see. In a way she is calling them out. First. Otherwise everyone would accuse her of actually changing her story to try to smooth things over or whatever trolls say nowadays.

Anyway, in conclusion, I believe that Jessica is better manager then nearly any of us here could ever be. She may not be as professional as she should be, but at least she is as open and forthcoming as others ought to.

Full disclosure: MMA is my all time favorite terran. Ever. So all of this actually depresses me. A lot.
ALSO I follow Jessica on twitter. Does that count as bias? I can't even read Korean.....meh.

I'm just going to quote this cause it's that awesome.
Sums up everything I wanna say but was too inarticulate to put into worlds. Thanks for taking the time to type this out although I'm afraid haters will keep hating and trolls will keep trolling.
Eusebiu23
Profile Joined July 2012
United States31 Posts
October 18 2012 09:08 GMT
#2348
SinCitta you have to realize that a lot of these players are still just kids, a lot of them will chase money wihtout ever looking back or being grateful like it has been stated. From Jessica's responses she sounds more like shes a mother taking care of her kids rather than a manager. From previous stuff I've read, Kespa players practice A LOT more than esf players, with stricter practice schedules and everything. I truly believe the slayers players were spoiled a bit too much, they are/were kids, I'm 22 years old and I still feel like a kid, so many times in so many situations I look back and I think wow I'm such a child... you said that real people don't act like that being spoiled brats and having bad characters, but in truth they do, myself included.
zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
October 18 2012 09:12 GMT
#2349
BobbyAwesome this isn't the thread for reasoned, well written analysis. This is the thread where people bring their preconceived opinions on Jessica and SlayerS and then interpret everything to fit that view.
www.gosu-sc.com - Starcraft News, Strategy and Merchandise
Deleted User 61629
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1664 Posts
October 18 2012 09:12 GMT
#2350
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zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
October 18 2012 09:15 GMT
#2351
On October 18 2012 18:12 Inori wrote:
Wasn't going to bother replying to you, since you obviously won't change your opinion (and by the way, yes you do come off as biased), but can't let this little gem slide:
Show nested quote +
Because of her history of being so open, it most certainly shows us that she isn't afraid to say something to get the truth out there. Whether that causes 'drama' or not is of little concern to her it seems. Rightly so.It doesn't matter.

How old are you? Are you seriously this naive? Do you seriously think shitstorms like this don't affect esports as a whole? Do you seriously think potential sponsors will look at this crap and think "hey, I think this childish drama is invest-worthy"?

When you stumble upon a completely random drama on a pretty much irrelevant topic to you, do you:
a.) actually care about who's right or wrong and spend hours reading through to get to the bottom of it
b.) think everyone involved is retarded for creating yet another internet drama

Guess which answer is correct for pretty much any potential sponsor.


Right, she should stay silent so that people can continue operating under the impression that ESF and korean SC2 teams only have the best for players and Starcraft in mind. That'll allow everyone to make informed decisions.
www.gosu-sc.com - Starcraft News, Strategy and Merchandise
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28512 Posts
October 18 2012 09:16 GMT
#2352
On October 18 2012 18:00 BobbyAwesome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 16:04 Inori wrote:
On October 18 2012 15:56 zefreak wrote:
On October 18 2012 15:52 Taku wrote:
On October 18 2012 15:43 Acrofales wrote:
On October 18 2012 15:32 Taku wrote:
On October 18 2012 15:21 Mefano wrote:
How did people even start to blame Jessica in any way shape or form? Was there something I missed out on reading? Is the prejudice towards women so big? I sure as hell don't see what she did wrong except doing so much for everyone, now she is mad because she was backstabbed people dismiss her? What the hell, this makes me loose faith in the sc2 community...

Agree with this, not sure if it's misogyny, some grudge, bandwagoning , or just being stupid. I mean really, who has a higher chance of being out of their depth and unprofessional: A woman who is already famous and well off as an actor and entertainer or some glory-chasing teenagers/young adults who haven't done much else in the world?

I don't think anybody is doubting that Jessica's trying hard to lead the team. However, this is not the first incident of her causing e-drama over something the players/other teams/the press did. Additionally, it is not a 1v1: she is blaming a LOT of people (players, coaches, managers). It is simple Ockham's razor to say she is blowing shit out of proportion, rather than that ALL those other people are lying.

Being a drama queen is not doing anybody any favours, least of all Jessica herself. And being a woman has absolutely nothing to do with it. In fact, I would say you people implying that the only reason people side against Jessica is because she's a woman is ignorant and sexist.

Okay so lets say Jessica was infact James, aka not female. "Prominent" male members of the community have infact stirred just as much shit but it seems only Jessica gets stuck with the 'drama queen' label. And it's even worse because as mentioned she actually has a very successful and mainstream career in Korea whilst everyone else involved asides from Boxer is just, to be blunt, small-fry. I can't believe people are still denying that the whole 'Jessica is a drama-queen' narrative is nothing but sexist and does nothing but demean the community further than it already has been.


I find it hard to believe that people calling Jessica a drama queen are not to some extent influenced by that old career woman stereotype of being pushy, emotional and manipulative.

This thread alone should be enough to conclude that she is a drama queen.
Most of the accusations are opinionated and blown out of proportion. But then again it doesn't even matter who's right or wrong at this point, it should've been handled internally to avoid what has just happened. Or does she really think that she'll just throw accusations against a whole group of people and expect nobody to retort, bringing in even more drama?
As a potential sponsor I'd try to get as far away from this shitstorm as possible.

Jessica is quite literally hurting esports.


This post is consistent with the various people here who lack any respect for an individual trying to tell their side of the story; a side in which they decide to ignore the information provided, the evidence given for said information and a plain reading of the text. These same individuals also commit various logical fallacies to reach their ultimately ignorant conclusions. There is no such thing as no bias. But an effort to take a person at their word goes a long way in understanding their intentions.

Case in point:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 15:43 Acrofales wrote:
Additionally, it is not a 1v1: she is blaming a LOT of people (players, coaches, managers). It is simple Ockham's razor to say she is blowing shit out of proportion, rather than that ALL those other people are lying.


What is with people and misusing Ockham's razor? The concept does not say that the simplest answer is always right. The concept is also deflated to an irrelevant philosophical aphorism when actual facts are presented to the contrary. Oh, and facts have been presented to the contrary, to a variety of her claims. I would like to clarify that I do not believe that her statements are without a taint of her own bias. But sometimes bias is just that. It is the coloring of ones opinions by their vantage point. Or simply, it is just how they saw it go down. Not a deliberate deception.

I think the evidence in this thread has established Jessica, not as a Drama Queen seeking to gain....something (what I am not exactly sure the haters thinks she gains from this), but as an individual full well knowing the community would go all National Enquirer on this if she didn't step up and say it like it is.

I think that by putting this all out there, as she saw it, is the best way for her to be held accountable for what has occurred and what has yet to be revealed. So if she is deceiving us in any way, then it will come to light rather soon. But since much of what she has said has been largely verified in some way, I think we can give her the benefit of the doubt unless someone speaks to the contrary and also has their statements verified.

Was she exaggerating some of the stories? Perhaps. Like the arguments between Crank/MMA and Boxer. Did they really yell at each other? Not sure that actually matters. I have had many heated arguments that never reached high decibels, so the concern whether she was exaggerating over the argument intensity is just a logical fallacy known as a red herring. It is an irrelevant issue in relation to the credibility of Jessica's story. Perhaps it was not a yelling match, but the emotional intensity can leave that impression on a memory. Like I said, she is not free of bias, but it doesn't take away from the intended implications of her viewpoint.

There is something in this whole thread that is lost in the translations and the context. It is chemistry. Regardless if Jessica is 100% correct or 0%, the reality is that there are personal chemistry elements that would be rather impossible for either side to convey, especially after translation to English, but even to themselves. Jessica may have contributed to the bad chemistry, she may have not.

But in her defense, she has quite often been an open book. Very emotional, very outspoken. This is where some label her a Drama Queen. But I see it far differently. Because of her history of being so open, it most certainly shows us that she isn't afraid to say something to get the truth out there. Whether that causes 'drama' or not is of little concern to her it seems. Rightly so. It doesn't matter. She just wants people to know what is up thus staying accountable.

Which brings me to this:

Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 16:04 Inori wrote:
This thread alone should be enough to conclude that she is a drama queen.
..........
Or does she really think that she'll just throw accusations against a whole group of people and expect nobody to retort, bringing in even more drama?


Let's say MMA brought forth all of these revelations first. If Jessica didn't say something first, someone was sure going to. So what if it was MMA? Or Crank? Would you label them 'bad for esports' ? Would they be the ones with the holier then thou complex looking to come off as a white knight in a dark time to better sparkle in front of potential sponsors and teams? Would this have been your stance? Not likely.

One does not go out and say the things Jessica did, expecting others to curl up and crawl in a corner. One says things as she did as a way of opening the book for all to see. In a way she is calling them out. First. Otherwise everyone would accuse her of actually changing her story to try to smooth things over or whatever trolls say nowadays.

Anyway, in conclusion, I believe that Jessica is better manager then nearly any of us here could ever be. She may not be as professional as she should be, but at least she is as open and forthcoming as others ought to.

Full disclosure: MMA is my all time favorite terran. Ever. So all of this actually depresses me. A lot.
ALSO I follow Jessica on twitter. Does that count as bias? I can't even read Korean.....meh.


Thank god for people like you. (Unfortunately, the people who should read your post the most have difficulty doing just that.)
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Deleted User 61629
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1664 Posts
October 18 2012 09:18 GMT
#2353
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zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
October 18 2012 09:20 GMT
#2354
On October 18 2012 18:18 Inori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 18:15 zefreak wrote:
On October 18 2012 18:12 Inori wrote:
Wasn't going to bother replying to you, since you obviously won't change your opinion (and by the way, yes you do come off as biased), but can't let this little gem slide:
Because of her history of being so open, it most certainly shows us that she isn't afraid to say something to get the truth out there. Whether that causes 'drama' or not is of little concern to her it seems. Rightly so.It doesn't matter.

How old are you? Are you seriously this naive? Do you seriously think shitstorms like this don't affect esports as a whole? Do you seriously think potential sponsors will look at this crap and think "hey, I think this childish drama is invest-worthy"?

When you stumble upon a completely random drama on a pretty much irrelevant topic to you, do you:
a.) actually care about who's right or wrong and spend hours reading through to get to the bottom of it
b.) think everyone involved is retarded for creating yet another internet drama

Guess which answer is correct for pretty much any potential sponsor.


Right, she should stay silent so that people can continue operating under the impression that ESF and korean SC2 teams only have the best for players and Starcraft in mind. That'll allow everyone to make informed decisions.

I feel sorry for you if you think only way to solve problems is to create a shit-storm, most likely deterring sponsors and players from a game that is already suffering decline.


Don't feel sorry for me, I think a good amount of this is important for people to know. Personal player information, not so much, but ESF info? Yes.
www.gosu-sc.com - Starcraft News, Strategy and Merchandise
smileface
Profile Joined September 2011
76 Posts
October 18 2012 09:23 GMT
#2355
Gotta love Jessica's way of doing this. Burn all bridges and drag out all the dirty laundry!

If for nothing else, we atleast get some insights into Korean way of doing things. What they feel should be punished for stuff like disrespect and betrayal.
lambac0re
Profile Joined August 2011
United States77 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-18 09:28:12
October 18 2012 09:23 GMT
#2356
On October 18 2012 18:18 Inori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 18:15 zefreak wrote:
On October 18 2012 18:12 Inori wrote:
Wasn't going to bother replying to you, since you obviously won't change your opinion (and by the way, yes you do come off as biased), but can't let this little gem slide:
Because of her history of being so open, it most certainly shows us that she isn't afraid to say something to get the truth out there. Whether that causes 'drama' or not is of little concern to her it seems. Rightly so.It doesn't matter.

How old are you? Are you seriously this naive? Do you seriously think shitstorms like this don't affect esports as a whole? Do you seriously think potential sponsors will look at this crap and think "hey, I think this childish drama is invest-worthy"?

When you stumble upon a completely random drama on a pretty much irrelevant topic to you, do you:
a.) actually care about who's right or wrong and spend hours reading through to get to the bottom of it
b.) think everyone involved is retarded for creating yet another internet drama

Guess which answer is correct for pretty much any potential sponsor.


Right, she should stay silent so that people can continue operating under the impression that ESF and korean SC2 teams only have the best for players and Starcraft in mind. That'll allow everyone to make informed decisions.

I feel sorry for you if you think only way to solve problems is to create a shit-storm, most likely deterring sponsors and players from a game that is already suffering decline.

So what are you saying exactly? She should have kept the ESF bullying secret? All she did was tell her side of the story which as been verified by ESF players.
Also following your train of logic...anything is better than starting a "shitstorm" so...
Would you rather have had the Savior incident kept under wraps too for the sake of avoiding a "shitstorm" and deterring sponsors?
MangoMountain
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2044 Posts
October 18 2012 09:29 GMT
#2357
On October 18 2012 18:18 Inori wrote:I feel sorry for you if you think only way to solve problems is to create a shit-storm, most likely deterring sponsors and players from a game that is already suffering decline.

Yes, I'm sure a scene that's filled with backstabbing, cover-ups and where nobody has the balls to actually out each other is much more attractive for sponsors and players. That is, until they actually dig a little deeper and see how fucked up things actually are. Sometimes you have to start a shitstorm in order to actually get the shit out in public, not everything can or should be solved with polite conversation
Deleted User 61629
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1664 Posts
October 18 2012 09:31 GMT
#2358
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Flonomenalz
Profile Joined May 2011
Nigeria3519 Posts
October 18 2012 09:31 GMT
#2359
On October 18 2012 18:18 Inori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 18:15 zefreak wrote:
On October 18 2012 18:12 Inori wrote:
Wasn't going to bother replying to you, since you obviously won't change your opinion (and by the way, yes you do come off as biased), but can't let this little gem slide:
Because of her history of being so open, it most certainly shows us that she isn't afraid to say something to get the truth out there. Whether that causes 'drama' or not is of little concern to her it seems. Rightly so.It doesn't matter.

How old are you? Are you seriously this naive? Do you seriously think shitstorms like this don't affect esports as a whole? Do you seriously think potential sponsors will look at this crap and think "hey, I think this childish drama is invest-worthy"?

When you stumble upon a completely random drama on a pretty much irrelevant topic to you, do you:
a.) actually care about who's right or wrong and spend hours reading through to get to the bottom of it
b.) think everyone involved is retarded for creating yet another internet drama

Guess which answer is correct for pretty much any potential sponsor.


Right, she should stay silent so that people can continue operating under the impression that ESF and korean SC2 teams only have the best for players and Starcraft in mind. That'll allow everyone to make informed decisions.

I feel sorry for you if you think only way to solve problems is to create a shit-storm, most likely deterring sponsors and players from a game that is already suffering decline.

Oh boy, because there haven't been any shit storms in any other games or sports. I wonder how baseball still has sponsors with the steroid shit storms. Or how the NFL still has sponsors after the lock out and replacement refs shit storms. Yep, this is definitely hurting e-sports.

*sigh*

I love crazymoving
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
October 18 2012 09:31 GMT
#2360
Meh... so much dramas... either way she's guilty or not she's a bad manager.
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