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On October 18 2012 21:01 CodeskyE wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 20:57 TeeTS wrote:On October 18 2012 20:43 CodeskyE wrote:On October 18 2012 19:00 mongmong wrote:Basically Coach Won claimed that Jessica once demanded ridiculous amount of transfer fee for MMA from foreign teams, to which Jessica disputed backed up with evidence. http://www.inven.co.kr/webzine/news/?news=48819this article clarifies that Jessica approached Nazgul by email and offered MMA to Team Liquid without ANY transfer fee involved. But Nazgul declined because he had already planned on which players to recruit according to the article 0_0 update the OP and put this information. at this point, it's almost sure that jessica is telling the truth. she's providing evidences too. so far, she's proved alicia and coach won wrong. if i was esf, either make a true statement or keep quiet and let this drama pass by slowly. this offer is 1month old (dated on 5th of september 2012, see in the other post here). Even in Jessica's version of the story the eSF sanctions ended WAY before that. So it has absolutely nothing to do with this this issue and is only brought up to make eSF look bad in the eyes of uninformed people. She tries to destroy eSF and its teams as her final revenge. Her evidents are semi-truths, because they don't really have anything to do with the points her opposition brings up, but make them look like lyers. This is a really dirty game of Jessica and I hope people start to realise that. (even her "evidents" against Alicia were not entirely on point, You can argue that Alicia is spoiled and demands way to much, but Jessica's behavior here is way worse!) Jessica tries to destroy ESF? What are you on? SlayerS was the team apaprently that got destroyed by ESF politics. ESF started this "dirty" game as you call it, but Jessica's going to finish the same "dirty" game.
Ok just for you we take a look at the timeline of this MMA issue, where coach Won mentioned Jessica demanding insane transfer fee's for MMA going to a foreign team and Jessica responding with this "offer" to TL.
The issues about MMA wanting to join a foreign team came up several weeks before GSTL season 2 finals. (remember he missed several GSTL matches in season 2 to his demotion to the B-Team.)
the GSTL season 2 finals took place on July 28th 2012
-> so the whole MMA may have taken place in late June - July
There MMA stated his will to join a foreign team.
Nothing happened though and MMA returned to be the starting player for Slayers in the finals. - It's really hard to think that no teams would be interested in a 2time GSL and multiple major foreign tournament champion. So it's way more possible that Slayers denied a switch - by demanding insane transfer fees perhaps?  makes a lot of sense if you think about it!
then we know now that Jessica offered MMA for free to Team Liquid (in person of Nazgul) on September 5th 2012. more than a month later!
Even in Jessica's version of the story the eSF sanctions ended in June/July 2012. (While it's very doubtful that they lasted that long!).
So obviously Coach Won's statement regarding Slayers demanding to high transfer fees has nothing to do with either the offer to TL or the time it was made in!
So Jessica's evidence that Coach Won is lying is absolutely nullified by the timelime of events.
And so we have NO evidence right now, that coach Won is lying, BUT we have an approach by Jessica to make it look like.
Also Jessica seems very much prepared for everything her opposition may try to come up with.
!! This wouldn't be the case if she just wanted to substantiate why she disolved Slayers. !! - her fans would believe her anyways and she doesn't need to care about the rest in that regard!
So you have to think what's the reason for all this is...
Since there is no winner in this whole drama and everyone right now already lost a lot of credibility, everything points towards vengeance. Vengeance against the players that may or may not betrayed her and the "evil" eSF.
And everyone involved should be really careful now because this is going to cause MAJOR damage to the whole SC2 construct in Korea. And if this goes out of control it may bring the whole scene to collapse!
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On October 18 2012 21:25 TeeTS wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 21:01 CodeskyE wrote:On October 18 2012 20:57 TeeTS wrote:On October 18 2012 20:43 CodeskyE wrote:On October 18 2012 19:00 mongmong wrote:Basically Coach Won claimed that Jessica once demanded ridiculous amount of transfer fee for MMA from foreign teams, to which Jessica disputed backed up with evidence. http://www.inven.co.kr/webzine/news/?news=48819this article clarifies that Jessica approached Nazgul by email and offered MMA to Team Liquid without ANY transfer fee involved. But Nazgul declined because he had already planned on which players to recruit according to the article 0_0 update the OP and put this information. at this point, it's almost sure that jessica is telling the truth. she's providing evidences too. so far, she's proved alicia and coach won wrong. if i was esf, either make a true statement or keep quiet and let this drama pass by slowly. this offer is 1month old (dated on 5th of september 2012, see in the other post here). Even in Jessica's version of the story the eSF sanctions ended WAY before that. So it has absolutely nothing to do with this this issue and is only brought up to make eSF look bad in the eyes of uninformed people. She tries to destroy eSF and its teams as her final revenge. Her evidents are semi-truths, because they don't really have anything to do with the points her opposition brings up, but make them look like lyers. This is a really dirty game of Jessica and I hope people start to realise that. (even her "evidents" against Alicia were not entirely on point, You can argue that Alicia is spoiled and demands way to much, but Jessica's behavior here is way worse!) Jessica tries to destroy ESF? What are you on? SlayerS was the team apaprently that got destroyed by ESF politics. ESF started this "dirty" game as you call it, but Jessica's going to finish the same "dirty" game. Ok just for you we take a look at the timeline of this MMA issue, where coach Won mentioned Jessica demanding insane transfer fee's for MMA going to a foreign team and Jessica responding with this "offer" to TL. The issues about MMA wanting to join a foreign team came up several weeks before GSTL season 2 finals. (remember he missed several GSTL matches in season 2 to his demotion to the B-Team.) the GSTL season 2 finals took place on July 28th 2012-> so the whole MMA may have taken place in late June - JulyThere MMA stated his will to join a foreign team.Nothing happened though and MMA returned to be the starting player for Slayers in the finals. - It's really hard to think that no teams would be interested in a 2time GSL and multiple major foreign tournament champion. So it's way more possible that Slayers denied a switch - by demanding insane transfer fees perhaps? makes a lot of sense if you think about it! then we know now that Jessica offered MMA for free to Team Liquid (in person of Nazgul) on September 5th 2012. more than a month later! Even in Jessica's version of the story the eSF sanctions ended in June/July 2012. (While it's very doubtful that they lasted that long!). So obviously Coach Won's statement regarding Slayers demanding to high transfer fees has nothing to do with either the offer to TL or the time it was made in! So Jessica's evidence that Coach Won is lying is absolutely nullified by the timelime of events.And so we have NO evidence right now, that coach Won is lying, BUT we have an approach by Jessica to make it look like. Also Jessica seems very much prepared for everything her opposition may try to come up with. !! This wouldn't be the case if she just wanted to substantiate why she disolved Slayers. !! - her fans would believe her anyways and she doesn't need to care about the rest in that regard! So you have to think what's the reason for all this is... Since there is no winner in this whole drama and everyone right now already lost a lot of credibility, everything points towards vengeance. Vengeance against the players that may or may not betrayed her and the "evil" eSF. And everyone involved should be really careful now because this is going to cause MAJOR damage to the whole SC2 construct in Korea. And if this goes out of control it may bring the whole scene to collapse!
The point is, Won is implying Jessica just wanted to make money off selling MMA - which is obviously bullshit since if it were true she'd still have no reason to offer him away for free. There's nothing wrong with her wanting a transfer fee earlier if she felt like it'd help running the team? Won bringing up Jessica wanting money for MMA's transfer in the manner he did bring it up is nothing but slander, lol.
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On October 18 2012 21:25 TeeTS wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 21:01 CodeskyE wrote:On October 18 2012 20:57 TeeTS wrote:On October 18 2012 20:43 CodeskyE wrote:On October 18 2012 19:00 mongmong wrote:Basically Coach Won claimed that Jessica once demanded ridiculous amount of transfer fee for MMA from foreign teams, to which Jessica disputed backed up with evidence. http://www.inven.co.kr/webzine/news/?news=48819this article clarifies that Jessica approached Nazgul by email and offered MMA to Team Liquid without ANY transfer fee involved. But Nazgul declined because he had already planned on which players to recruit according to the article 0_0 update the OP and put this information. at this point, it's almost sure that jessica is telling the truth. she's providing evidences too. so far, she's proved alicia and coach won wrong. if i was esf, either make a true statement or keep quiet and let this drama pass by slowly. this offer is 1month old (dated on 5th of september 2012, see in the other post here). Even in Jessica's version of the story the eSF sanctions ended WAY before that. So it has absolutely nothing to do with this this issue and is only brought up to make eSF look bad in the eyes of uninformed people. She tries to destroy eSF and its teams as her final revenge. Her evidents are semi-truths, because they don't really have anything to do with the points her opposition brings up, but make them look like lyers. This is a really dirty game of Jessica and I hope people start to realise that. (even her "evidents" against Alicia were not entirely on point, You can argue that Alicia is spoiled and demands way to much, but Jessica's behavior here is way worse!) Jessica tries to destroy ESF? What are you on? SlayerS was the team apaprently that got destroyed by ESF politics. ESF started this "dirty" game as you call it, but Jessica's going to finish the same "dirty" game. Ok just for you we take a look at the timeline of this MMA issue, where coach Won mentioned Jessica demanding insane transfer fee's for MMA going to a foreign team and Jessica responding with this "offer" to TL. The issues about MMA wanting to join a foreign team came up several weeks before GSTL season 2 finals. (remember he missed several GSTL matches in season 2 to his demotion to the B-Team.) the GSTL season 2 finals took place on July 28th 2012-> so the whole MMA may have taken place in late June - JulyThere MMA stated his will to join a foreign team.Nothing happened though and MMA returned to be the starting player for Slayers in the finals. - It's really hard to think that no teams would be interested in a 2time GSL and multiple major foreign tournament champion. So it's way more possible that Slayers denied a switch - by demanding insane transfer fees perhaps? makes a lot of sense if you think about it! then we know now that Jessica offered MMA for free to Team Liquid (in person of Nazgul) on September 5th 2012. more than a month later! Even in Jessica's version of the story the eSF sanctions ended in June/July 2012. (While it's very doubtful that they lasted that long!). So obviously Coach Won's statement regarding Slayers demanding to high transfer fees has nothing to do with either the offer to TL or the time it was made in! So Jessica's evidence that Coach Won is lying is absolutely nullified by the timelime of events.And so we have NO evidence right now, that coach Won is lying, BUT we have an approach by Jessica to make it look like. Also Jessica seems very much prepared for everything her opposition may try to come up with. !! This wouldn't be the case if she just wanted to substantiate why she disolved Slayers. !! - her fans would believe her anyways and she doesn't need to care about the rest in that regard! So you have to think what's the reason for all this is... Since there is no winner in this whole drama and everyone right now already lost a lot of credibility, everything points towards vengeance. Vengeance against the players that may or may not betrayed her and the "evil" eSF. And everyone involved should be really careful now because this is going to cause MAJOR damage to the whole SC2 construct in Korea. And if this goes out of control it may bring the whole scene to collapse!
Nothing about the drama, but I thought MMA only has one GSL win.
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On October 18 2012 21:46 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 21:25 TeeTS wrote:On October 18 2012 21:01 CodeskyE wrote:On October 18 2012 20:57 TeeTS wrote:On October 18 2012 20:43 CodeskyE wrote:On October 18 2012 19:00 mongmong wrote:Basically Coach Won claimed that Jessica once demanded ridiculous amount of transfer fee for MMA from foreign teams, to which Jessica disputed backed up with evidence. http://www.inven.co.kr/webzine/news/?news=48819this article clarifies that Jessica approached Nazgul by email and offered MMA to Team Liquid without ANY transfer fee involved. But Nazgul declined because he had already planned on which players to recruit according to the article 0_0 update the OP and put this information. at this point, it's almost sure that jessica is telling the truth. she's providing evidences too. so far, she's proved alicia and coach won wrong. if i was esf, either make a true statement or keep quiet and let this drama pass by slowly. this offer is 1month old (dated on 5th of september 2012, see in the other post here). Even in Jessica's version of the story the eSF sanctions ended WAY before that. So it has absolutely nothing to do with this this issue and is only brought up to make eSF look bad in the eyes of uninformed people. She tries to destroy eSF and its teams as her final revenge. Her evidents are semi-truths, because they don't really have anything to do with the points her opposition brings up, but make them look like lyers. This is a really dirty game of Jessica and I hope people start to realise that. (even her "evidents" against Alicia were not entirely on point, You can argue that Alicia is spoiled and demands way to much, but Jessica's behavior here is way worse!) Jessica tries to destroy ESF? What are you on? SlayerS was the team apaprently that got destroyed by ESF politics. ESF started this "dirty" game as you call it, but Jessica's going to finish the same "dirty" game. Ok just for you we take a look at the timeline of this MMA issue, where coach Won mentioned Jessica demanding insane transfer fee's for MMA going to a foreign team and Jessica responding with this "offer" to TL. The issues about MMA wanting to join a foreign team came up several weeks before GSTL season 2 finals. (remember he missed several GSTL matches in season 2 to his demotion to the B-Team.) the GSTL season 2 finals took place on July 28th 2012-> so the whole MMA may have taken place in late June - JulyThere MMA stated his will to join a foreign team.Nothing happened though and MMA returned to be the starting player for Slayers in the finals. - It's really hard to think that no teams would be interested in a 2time GSL and multiple major foreign tournament champion. So it's way more possible that Slayers denied a switch - by demanding insane transfer fees perhaps? makes a lot of sense if you think about it! then we know now that Jessica offered MMA for free to Team Liquid (in person of Nazgul) on September 5th 2012. more than a month later! Even in Jessica's version of the story the eSF sanctions ended in June/July 2012. (While it's very doubtful that they lasted that long!). So obviously Coach Won's statement regarding Slayers demanding to high transfer fees has nothing to do with either the offer to TL or the time it was made in! So Jessica's evidence that Coach Won is lying is absolutely nullified by the timelime of events.And so we have NO evidence right now, that coach Won is lying, BUT we have an approach by Jessica to make it look like. Also Jessica seems very much prepared for everything her opposition may try to come up with. !! This wouldn't be the case if she just wanted to substantiate why she disolved Slayers. !! - her fans would believe her anyways and she doesn't need to care about the rest in that regard! So you have to think what's the reason for all this is... Since there is no winner in this whole drama and everyone right now already lost a lot of credibility, everything points towards vengeance. Vengeance against the players that may or may not betrayed her and the "evil" eSF. And everyone involved should be really careful now because this is going to cause MAJOR damage to the whole SC2 construct in Korea. And if this goes out of control it may bring the whole scene to collapse! Nothing about the drama, but I thought MMA only has one GSL win.
Some people count Blizzard Cup
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On October 18 2012 21:46 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 21:25 TeeTS wrote:On October 18 2012 21:01 CodeskyE wrote:On October 18 2012 20:57 TeeTS wrote:On October 18 2012 20:43 CodeskyE wrote:On October 18 2012 19:00 mongmong wrote:Basically Coach Won claimed that Jessica once demanded ridiculous amount of transfer fee for MMA from foreign teams, to which Jessica disputed backed up with evidence. http://www.inven.co.kr/webzine/news/?news=48819this article clarifies that Jessica approached Nazgul by email and offered MMA to Team Liquid without ANY transfer fee involved. But Nazgul declined because he had already planned on which players to recruit according to the article 0_0 update the OP and put this information. at this point, it's almost sure that jessica is telling the truth. she's providing evidences too. so far, she's proved alicia and coach won wrong. if i was esf, either make a true statement or keep quiet and let this drama pass by slowly. this offer is 1month old (dated on 5th of september 2012, see in the other post here). Even in Jessica's version of the story the eSF sanctions ended WAY before that. So it has absolutely nothing to do with this this issue and is only brought up to make eSF look bad in the eyes of uninformed people. She tries to destroy eSF and its teams as her final revenge. Her evidents are semi-truths, because they don't really have anything to do with the points her opposition brings up, but make them look like lyers. This is a really dirty game of Jessica and I hope people start to realise that. (even her "evidents" against Alicia were not entirely on point, You can argue that Alicia is spoiled and demands way to much, but Jessica's behavior here is way worse!) Jessica tries to destroy ESF? What are you on? SlayerS was the team apaprently that got destroyed by ESF politics. ESF started this "dirty" game as you call it, but Jessica's going to finish the same "dirty" game. Ok just for you we take a look at the timeline of this MMA issue, where coach Won mentioned Jessica demanding insane transfer fee's for MMA going to a foreign team and Jessica responding with this "offer" to TL. The issues about MMA wanting to join a foreign team came up several weeks before GSTL season 2 finals. (remember he missed several GSTL matches in season 2 to his demotion to the B-Team.) the GSTL season 2 finals took place on July 28th 2012-> so the whole MMA may have taken place in late June - JulyThere MMA stated his will to join a foreign team.Nothing happened though and MMA returned to be the starting player for Slayers in the finals. - It's really hard to think that no teams would be interested in a 2time GSL and multiple major foreign tournament champion. So it's way more possible that Slayers denied a switch - by demanding insane transfer fees perhaps? makes a lot of sense if you think about it! then we know now that Jessica offered MMA for free to Team Liquid (in person of Nazgul) on September 5th 2012. more than a month later! Even in Jessica's version of the story the eSF sanctions ended in June/July 2012. (While it's very doubtful that they lasted that long!). So obviously Coach Won's statement regarding Slayers demanding to high transfer fees has nothing to do with either the offer to TL or the time it was made in! So Jessica's evidence that Coach Won is lying is absolutely nullified by the timelime of events.And so we have NO evidence right now, that coach Won is lying, BUT we have an approach by Jessica to make it look like. Also Jessica seems very much prepared for everything her opposition may try to come up with. !! This wouldn't be the case if she just wanted to substantiate why she disolved Slayers. !! - her fans would believe her anyways and she doesn't need to care about the rest in that regard! So you have to think what's the reason for all this is... Since there is no winner in this whole drama and everyone right now already lost a lot of credibility, everything points towards vengeance. Vengeance against the players that may or may not betrayed her and the "evil" eSF. And everyone involved should be really careful now because this is going to cause MAJOR damage to the whole SC2 construct in Korea. And if this goes out of control it may bring the whole scene to collapse! Nothing about the drama, but I thought MMA only has one GSL win.
GOM counts the Blizzard Cup as a full GSL title, so people started to do so too.
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On October 18 2012 21:43 Salazarz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 21:25 TeeTS wrote:On October 18 2012 21:01 CodeskyE wrote:On October 18 2012 20:57 TeeTS wrote:On October 18 2012 20:43 CodeskyE wrote:On October 18 2012 19:00 mongmong wrote:Basically Coach Won claimed that Jessica once demanded ridiculous amount of transfer fee for MMA from foreign teams, to which Jessica disputed backed up with evidence. http://www.inven.co.kr/webzine/news/?news=48819this article clarifies that Jessica approached Nazgul by email and offered MMA to Team Liquid without ANY transfer fee involved. But Nazgul declined because he had already planned on which players to recruit according to the article 0_0 update the OP and put this information. at this point, it's almost sure that jessica is telling the truth. she's providing evidences too. so far, she's proved alicia and coach won wrong. if i was esf, either make a true statement or keep quiet and let this drama pass by slowly. this offer is 1month old (dated on 5th of september 2012, see in the other post here). Even in Jessica's version of the story the eSF sanctions ended WAY before that. So it has absolutely nothing to do with this this issue and is only brought up to make eSF look bad in the eyes of uninformed people. She tries to destroy eSF and its teams as her final revenge. Her evidents are semi-truths, because they don't really have anything to do with the points her opposition brings up, but make them look like lyers. This is a really dirty game of Jessica and I hope people start to realise that. (even her "evidents" against Alicia were not entirely on point, You can argue that Alicia is spoiled and demands way to much, but Jessica's behavior here is way worse!) Jessica tries to destroy ESF? What are you on? SlayerS was the team apaprently that got destroyed by ESF politics. ESF started this "dirty" game as you call it, but Jessica's going to finish the same "dirty" game. Ok just for you we take a look at the timeline of this MMA issue, where coach Won mentioned Jessica demanding insane transfer fee's for MMA going to a foreign team and Jessica responding with this "offer" to TL. The issues about MMA wanting to join a foreign team came up several weeks before GSTL season 2 finals. (remember he missed several GSTL matches in season 2 to his demotion to the B-Team.) the GSTL season 2 finals took place on July 28th 2012-> so the whole MMA may have taken place in late June - JulyThere MMA stated his will to join a foreign team.Nothing happened though and MMA returned to be the starting player for Slayers in the finals. - It's really hard to think that no teams would be interested in a 2time GSL and multiple major foreign tournament champion. So it's way more possible that Slayers denied a switch - by demanding insane transfer fees perhaps? makes a lot of sense if you think about it! then we know now that Jessica offered MMA for free to Team Liquid (in person of Nazgul) on September 5th 2012. more than a month later! Even in Jessica's version of the story the eSF sanctions ended in June/July 2012. (While it's very doubtful that they lasted that long!). So obviously Coach Won's statement regarding Slayers demanding to high transfer fees has nothing to do with either the offer to TL or the time it was made in! So Jessica's evidence that Coach Won is lying is absolutely nullified by the timelime of events.And so we have NO evidence right now, that coach Won is lying, BUT we have an approach by Jessica to make it look like. Also Jessica seems very much prepared for everything her opposition may try to come up with. !! This wouldn't be the case if she just wanted to substantiate why she disolved Slayers. !! - her fans would believe her anyways and she doesn't need to care about the rest in that regard! So you have to think what's the reason for all this is... Since there is no winner in this whole drama and everyone right now already lost a lot of credibility, everything points towards vengeance. Vengeance against the players that may or may not betrayed her and the "evil" eSF. And everyone involved should be really careful now because this is going to cause MAJOR damage to the whole SC2 construct in Korea. And if this goes out of control it may bring the whole scene to collapse! The point is, Won is implying Jessica just wanted to make money off selling MMA - which is obviously bullshit since if it were true she'd still have no reason to offer him away for free. There's nothing wrong with her wanting a transfer fee earlier if she felt like it'd help running the team? Won bringing up Jessica wanting money for MMA's transfer in the manner he did bring it up is nothing but slander, lol.
I agree. I find the point about the timeline not clicking on the MMA issue well made, but lets remember that MMA was obviously still under contract at that point.
The accusation on Jessica wanting to "destroy esf as final revenge"... well, I don't know where to start on how absurd it is to fault her on that even if it's true.
Whether the esf sanction lasted that long is a moot point. It had lasted long enough to have a significant impact on the team performance and morale and esf knew it. Please don't close your eyes to these actions that have already happened that will clearly bring detriment to the scene in the long term.
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On October 18 2012 21:54 Serinox wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 21:46 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:On October 18 2012 21:25 TeeTS wrote:On October 18 2012 21:01 CodeskyE wrote:On October 18 2012 20:57 TeeTS wrote:On October 18 2012 20:43 CodeskyE wrote:On October 18 2012 19:00 mongmong wrote:Basically Coach Won claimed that Jessica once demanded ridiculous amount of transfer fee for MMA from foreign teams, to which Jessica disputed backed up with evidence. http://www.inven.co.kr/webzine/news/?news=48819this article clarifies that Jessica approached Nazgul by email and offered MMA to Team Liquid without ANY transfer fee involved. But Nazgul declined because he had already planned on which players to recruit according to the article 0_0 update the OP and put this information. at this point, it's almost sure that jessica is telling the truth. she's providing evidences too. so far, she's proved alicia and coach won wrong. if i was esf, either make a true statement or keep quiet and let this drama pass by slowly. this offer is 1month old (dated on 5th of september 2012, see in the other post here). Even in Jessica's version of the story the eSF sanctions ended WAY before that. So it has absolutely nothing to do with this this issue and is only brought up to make eSF look bad in the eyes of uninformed people. She tries to destroy eSF and its teams as her final revenge. Her evidents are semi-truths, because they don't really have anything to do with the points her opposition brings up, but make them look like lyers. This is a really dirty game of Jessica and I hope people start to realise that. (even her "evidents" against Alicia were not entirely on point, You can argue that Alicia is spoiled and demands way to much, but Jessica's behavior here is way worse!) Jessica tries to destroy ESF? What are you on? SlayerS was the team apaprently that got destroyed by ESF politics. ESF started this "dirty" game as you call it, but Jessica's going to finish the same "dirty" game. Ok just for you we take a look at the timeline of this MMA issue, where coach Won mentioned Jessica demanding insane transfer fee's for MMA going to a foreign team and Jessica responding with this "offer" to TL. The issues about MMA wanting to join a foreign team came up several weeks before GSTL season 2 finals. (remember he missed several GSTL matches in season 2 to his demotion to the B-Team.) the GSTL season 2 finals took place on July 28th 2012-> so the whole MMA may have taken place in late June - JulyThere MMA stated his will to join a foreign team.Nothing happened though and MMA returned to be the starting player for Slayers in the finals. - It's really hard to think that no teams would be interested in a 2time GSL and multiple major foreign tournament champion. So it's way more possible that Slayers denied a switch - by demanding insane transfer fees perhaps? makes a lot of sense if you think about it! then we know now that Jessica offered MMA for free to Team Liquid (in person of Nazgul) on September 5th 2012. more than a month later! Even in Jessica's version of the story the eSF sanctions ended in June/July 2012. (While it's very doubtful that they lasted that long!). So obviously Coach Won's statement regarding Slayers demanding to high transfer fees has nothing to do with either the offer to TL or the time it was made in! So Jessica's evidence that Coach Won is lying is absolutely nullified by the timelime of events.And so we have NO evidence right now, that coach Won is lying, BUT we have an approach by Jessica to make it look like. Also Jessica seems very much prepared for everything her opposition may try to come up with. !! This wouldn't be the case if she just wanted to substantiate why she disolved Slayers. !! - her fans would believe her anyways and she doesn't need to care about the rest in that regard! So you have to think what's the reason for all this is... Since there is no winner in this whole drama and everyone right now already lost a lot of credibility, everything points towards vengeance. Vengeance against the players that may or may not betrayed her and the "evil" eSF. And everyone involved should be really careful now because this is going to cause MAJOR damage to the whole SC2 construct in Korea. And if this goes out of control it may bring the whole scene to collapse! Nothing about the drama, but I thought MMA only has one GSL win. GOM counts the Blizzard Cup as a full GSL title, so people started to do so too.
Wait whaa? When was this acknowledged?
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Let's assume even if Coach won's claims were true and Jessica/Boxer wanted a large fee from anyone interested in hiring MMA, is it unethical to do so if you are the one that "raised" him to be the superstar player he is today?
I actually believe Jessica's side of the story in this case but I just wanted to know what would be wrong with that or if I missed sth because I didnt have time to read the whole thread.
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On October 18 2012 22:04 S_SienZ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 21:54 Serinox wrote:On October 18 2012 21:46 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:On October 18 2012 21:25 TeeTS wrote:On October 18 2012 21:01 CodeskyE wrote:On October 18 2012 20:57 TeeTS wrote:On October 18 2012 20:43 CodeskyE wrote:On October 18 2012 19:00 mongmong wrote:Basically Coach Won claimed that Jessica once demanded ridiculous amount of transfer fee for MMA from foreign teams, to which Jessica disputed backed up with evidence. http://www.inven.co.kr/webzine/news/?news=48819this article clarifies that Jessica approached Nazgul by email and offered MMA to Team Liquid without ANY transfer fee involved. But Nazgul declined because he had already planned on which players to recruit according to the article 0_0 update the OP and put this information. at this point, it's almost sure that jessica is telling the truth. she's providing evidences too. so far, she's proved alicia and coach won wrong. if i was esf, either make a true statement or keep quiet and let this drama pass by slowly. this offer is 1month old (dated on 5th of september 2012, see in the other post here). Even in Jessica's version of the story the eSF sanctions ended WAY before that. So it has absolutely nothing to do with this this issue and is only brought up to make eSF look bad in the eyes of uninformed people. She tries to destroy eSF and its teams as her final revenge. Her evidents are semi-truths, because they don't really have anything to do with the points her opposition brings up, but make them look like lyers. This is a really dirty game of Jessica and I hope people start to realise that. (even her "evidents" against Alicia were not entirely on point, You can argue that Alicia is spoiled and demands way to much, but Jessica's behavior here is way worse!) Jessica tries to destroy ESF? What are you on? SlayerS was the team apaprently that got destroyed by ESF politics. ESF started this "dirty" game as you call it, but Jessica's going to finish the same "dirty" game. Ok just for you we take a look at the timeline of this MMA issue, where coach Won mentioned Jessica demanding insane transfer fee's for MMA going to a foreign team and Jessica responding with this "offer" to TL. The issues about MMA wanting to join a foreign team came up several weeks before GSTL season 2 finals. (remember he missed several GSTL matches in season 2 to his demotion to the B-Team.) the GSTL season 2 finals took place on July 28th 2012-> so the whole MMA may have taken place in late June - JulyThere MMA stated his will to join a foreign team.Nothing happened though and MMA returned to be the starting player for Slayers in the finals. - It's really hard to think that no teams would be interested in a 2time GSL and multiple major foreign tournament champion. So it's way more possible that Slayers denied a switch - by demanding insane transfer fees perhaps? makes a lot of sense if you think about it! then we know now that Jessica offered MMA for free to Team Liquid (in person of Nazgul) on September 5th 2012. more than a month later! Even in Jessica's version of the story the eSF sanctions ended in June/July 2012. (While it's very doubtful that they lasted that long!). So obviously Coach Won's statement regarding Slayers demanding to high transfer fees has nothing to do with either the offer to TL or the time it was made in! So Jessica's evidence that Coach Won is lying is absolutely nullified by the timelime of events.And so we have NO evidence right now, that coach Won is lying, BUT we have an approach by Jessica to make it look like. Also Jessica seems very much prepared for everything her opposition may try to come up with. !! This wouldn't be the case if she just wanted to substantiate why she disolved Slayers. !! - her fans would believe her anyways and she doesn't need to care about the rest in that regard! So you have to think what's the reason for all this is... Since there is no winner in this whole drama and everyone right now already lost a lot of credibility, everything points towards vengeance. Vengeance against the players that may or may not betrayed her and the "evil" eSF. And everyone involved should be really careful now because this is going to cause MAJOR damage to the whole SC2 construct in Korea. And if this goes out of control it may bring the whole scene to collapse! Nothing about the drama, but I thought MMA only has one GSL win. GOM counts the Blizzard Cup as a full GSL title, so people started to do so too. Wait whaa? When was this acknowledged?
Since always? By almost everybody? Just as Mvp's WC has always been acknowledged as a GSL win.
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On October 18 2012 22:04 S_SienZ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 21:54 Serinox wrote:On October 18 2012 21:46 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:On October 18 2012 21:25 TeeTS wrote:On October 18 2012 21:01 CodeskyE wrote:On October 18 2012 20:57 TeeTS wrote:On October 18 2012 20:43 CodeskyE wrote:On October 18 2012 19:00 mongmong wrote:Basically Coach Won claimed that Jessica once demanded ridiculous amount of transfer fee for MMA from foreign teams, to which Jessica disputed backed up with evidence. http://www.inven.co.kr/webzine/news/?news=48819this article clarifies that Jessica approached Nazgul by email and offered MMA to Team Liquid without ANY transfer fee involved. But Nazgul declined because he had already planned on which players to recruit according to the article 0_0 update the OP and put this information. at this point, it's almost sure that jessica is telling the truth. she's providing evidences too. so far, she's proved alicia and coach won wrong. if i was esf, either make a true statement or keep quiet and let this drama pass by slowly. this offer is 1month old (dated on 5th of september 2012, see in the other post here). Even in Jessica's version of the story the eSF sanctions ended WAY before that. So it has absolutely nothing to do with this this issue and is only brought up to make eSF look bad in the eyes of uninformed people. She tries to destroy eSF and its teams as her final revenge. Her evidents are semi-truths, because they don't really have anything to do with the points her opposition brings up, but make them look like lyers. This is a really dirty game of Jessica and I hope people start to realise that. (even her "evidents" against Alicia were not entirely on point, You can argue that Alicia is spoiled and demands way to much, but Jessica's behavior here is way worse!) Jessica tries to destroy ESF? What are you on? SlayerS was the team apaprently that got destroyed by ESF politics. ESF started this "dirty" game as you call it, but Jessica's going to finish the same "dirty" game. Ok just for you we take a look at the timeline of this MMA issue, where coach Won mentioned Jessica demanding insane transfer fee's for MMA going to a foreign team and Jessica responding with this "offer" to TL. The issues about MMA wanting to join a foreign team came up several weeks before GSTL season 2 finals. (remember he missed several GSTL matches in season 2 to his demotion to the B-Team.) the GSTL season 2 finals took place on July 28th 2012-> so the whole MMA may have taken place in late June - JulyThere MMA stated his will to join a foreign team.Nothing happened though and MMA returned to be the starting player for Slayers in the finals. - It's really hard to think that no teams would be interested in a 2time GSL and multiple major foreign tournament champion. So it's way more possible that Slayers denied a switch - by demanding insane transfer fees perhaps? makes a lot of sense if you think about it! then we know now that Jessica offered MMA for free to Team Liquid (in person of Nazgul) on September 5th 2012. more than a month later! Even in Jessica's version of the story the eSF sanctions ended in June/July 2012. (While it's very doubtful that they lasted that long!). So obviously Coach Won's statement regarding Slayers demanding to high transfer fees has nothing to do with either the offer to TL or the time it was made in! So Jessica's evidence that Coach Won is lying is absolutely nullified by the timelime of events.And so we have NO evidence right now, that coach Won is lying, BUT we have an approach by Jessica to make it look like. Also Jessica seems very much prepared for everything her opposition may try to come up with. !! This wouldn't be the case if she just wanted to substantiate why she disolved Slayers. !! - her fans would believe her anyways and she doesn't need to care about the rest in that regard! So you have to think what's the reason for all this is... Since there is no winner in this whole drama and everyone right now already lost a lot of credibility, everything points towards vengeance. Vengeance against the players that may or may not betrayed her and the "evil" eSF. And everyone involved should be really careful now because this is going to cause MAJOR damage to the whole SC2 construct in Korea. And if this goes out of control it may bring the whole scene to collapse! Nothing about the drama, but I thought MMA only has one GSL win. GOM counts the Blizzard Cup as a full GSL title, so people started to do so too. Wait whaa? When was this acknowledged?
In the tribute video to MC by GOM, they started to list all the multiple champion for the other races, and there the listed the Blizzard Cup as one of MMA's GSL titles.
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Translated from http://s.163.com/12/1018/19/8E4DAQ2L00314D0E.html
Original article at http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=1315548
This is the first response of Coach Won, and it comes before the response of Kim Ga Yeon with the emails.
Bolding this because few people ever reads what's above the translations lol. I hope this is properly translated, but I've [bracketed] the parts which I am especially unsure of. I apologise if any parts are not properly translated, and please feel free to correct me on any part. Thank you.
Hello everyone. I am Won Jong Wook from ESports Federation. Firstly, I want to apologise for all the bad news.
1. NASL Related Matters
During NASL Season 2, it was the NASL side which requested a deposit, and a boycott arose as a result. They expressed that they couldn't trust the teams and players from Season 2 onwards, which is why the deposit for Season 2 was much higher than the deposit for Season 1. But at that time, when our players took part in tournaments like MLG and IPL, they were supported in terms of their expenses. Hence, if we allowed this action from NASL to just proceed, other tournaments might end up also using this system from NASL.
To protect the rights and interest of our players, we gathered all the head coaches for a meeting, and decided not to take part in NASL, which required all the players to submit a 500 USD deposit. To be more detailed, if NASL did not remove this requirement of a deposit, and treat players better, we will not take part. This decision was approved by all the teams, including Slayers, and after that, we've been working hard to work and negotiate with NASL.
During this negotiation process, we couldn't reach an agreement, and there were a lot of delays. In terms of the translation issue, we got the help of GomTV, and we even got an agent to help in the negotiations. But even after a long time, the negotiations couldn't come to a close.
But we still persevered in the negotiations, and while we were waiting for the response, Slayers and TSL went and took part in NASL Season 3. This produced some problems.
We were certainly putting in a lot of effort to get the best results from the negotiations with NASL, and of course, we weren't able to achieve a satisfactory result in the end, but I don't think it's right to deny that effort.
2. Taking part in NASL Season 3
After several failed negotiations with NASL, the qualifiers of NASL Season 3 begun. Most of the teams were still expressing that they'd wait for the other party to guarantee the rights of the players before they would take part. But in spite of this effort from many of the teams, Slayers and TSL suddenly decided to take part in the tournament without discussing it with us. Afterwards, I got to know about it, and I expressed my disappointment at the actions of the two teams.
3. Restrictions on practising
Regarding the issue of taking part in NASL Season 3, the teams came up with the idea of everyone not helping them practise because Slayers and TSL ignored all the efforts the teams put in to try to protect the rights of the players. There is one thing I need to make clear, and that there wasn't any federation or ideas of an association at this point in time. We just occasionally have meetings of the head coaches where we'd raise our opinions and suggestions. Also, regarding the practise issue, we did communicate the decision to Slayers and TSL.
TSL immediately tried their best to dispel the misunderstandings of this incident, and explained their situation to all the teams, and decided after that to work together with everyone. [But with Slayers there wasn't a proper response, and there wasn't any requests for any discussions. The head coaches of all the teams were also hoping that they would give an explanation so they could have an explanation for their players.] As a result, we started putting in place the practice restrictions after the NASL Season 3 Qualifiers ended, starting 10 March and ending 27 March.
Putting all the reasons aside, to put a restriction on the practising of the players was indeed a thoughtless act, and so on behalf of all the head coaches, I want to to sincerely apologise to everyone in Slayers
4. Practice issues afterwards
After the period of time mentioned above ended, the federation players were allowed practise freely with the Slayers players. The statement that we had restrictions on practising for 10 months is not true. From last year to this year, you can see the Slayers players saying that there were other players who were practising with them.
We think that practising with one another and training is a right that all teams have. Whether it's in the past or in the present, most of the teams mainly practise amongst themselves. Currently, the players would find other players to practise with them as an extension of the basic internal practice that they have within the team. This is the same for the Slayers players.
To take our team as an example, Parting, Life, and Hack etc. all frequently practise with the Slayers players. This part can be proven by the interviews, replays, match records of the players from the various teams.
5. Regarding the issue of ostracising
All our teams never once mentioned or agreed to ostracise Slayers. We certainly did not forbid our players from being friends with their players. Even though it's impossible for relationships to be good amongst all the teams, players would form good relationships because of taking part in foreign tournaments or practising on battlenet.
Regarding this, the fans of foreign tournaments and fans of eSports can get proof from the Starcraft 2 players. The federation, up till now, doesn't understand why they'd say we isolated them. From the start of the discussions, even though they didn't want to join us, we would often convey all sorts of important information to Slayers, and also frequently invite them to take part in the discussions amongst the head coaches. But it's Slayers which didn't accept these suggestions, and them which hold a lukewarm attitude towards us.
[Kim Ga Yeon once told me when we met at the coffee shop outside the KBS building at Yeouido that she still wanted to carry on her career as a celebrity, and that she'd be taking care of the team when Boxer was a playing coach. Furthermore, Coach Boxer (Still a player then) already mentioned getting rid of the team when he decided to give up being a player.] At the time when they said they wouldn't join the federation, they also said they wouldn't join any associations, but would continue standing on a neutral position.
Also, Kim Ga Yeon said that they never collected any transfer fees from the players. But I came to know from a few teams in the country, that when they were in discussions for the transfers, high prices were always demanded, and as a result it was always difficult to carry on with the discussions. The people in the industry all know this.
But Kim Ga Yeon insisted that she never did such a thing, and that they released their players without conditions and that it's for their players. The transfer fee is something which is transacted after proper negotiations by both parties, but Kim Ga Yeon always asks for really high prices. Doesn't that arise from one's own greed?
Furthermore, she said that she still keeps the negotiation details from 2 years ago, and is able to produce evidence at any time. This just makes people feel that she'd been intentionally preparing for such a day, and it just gives a bitter feeling.
[Because of this incident, what people are seeing is not just which head coach has problems with Slayers, but that everyone has a feud, and this is really disappointing.] The head coaches and the players for all the teams are all free regarding who they wish to be acquainted with, and this isn't something we can change. How can one command the hearts and minds of other people? I need to emphasize once again, that the federation never once instructed or encouraged the ostracising of Slayers.
We have feelings too. This string of events, especially regarding the restrictions towards practice, makes us feel really disappointed. To prevent something similar from happening again in the future, we will definitely be really careful.
For all these bad stuff, I apologise again. As the person involved in this incident, I want to present my deepest apologies to the fan on behalf of the teams.
[I hope that everyone can soothe their anger with an open mind], and continue supporting the players and teams of Starcraft 2.
Thank you.
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@ Weirdkid Looks like you did very good translation! Just delete
[But now that I hear all these things which they are saying, it feels like being betrayed by my own family,] and I am very disappointed with Kim Ga Yeon's decision. At that time I said, our gates will always be opened to you, and whenever Slayers wishes to join the federation, we will always be open
It is not mentioned on original article.
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On October 18 2012 22:38 blue_blood wrote:
@ Weirdkid Looks like you did very good translation! Just delete
[But now that I hear all these things which they are saying, it feels like being betrayed by my own family,] and I am very disappointed with Kim Ga Yeon's decision. At that time I said, our gates will always be opened to you, and whenever Slayers wishes to join the federation, we will always be open
It is not mentioned on original article.
Done! Thanks 
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i think its funny that coach won thinks its bitter for jessica to keep negotiation details from the past. that just sounds like common business sense to me. i keep all my business emails and dont delete them, you never know when they'll be useful.
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On October 18 2012 22:39 Weirdkid wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 22:38 blue_blood wrote:
@ Weirdkid Looks like you did very good translation! Just delete
[But now that I hear all these things which they are saying, it feels like being betrayed by my own family,] and I am very disappointed with Kim Ga Yeon's decision. At that time I said, our gates will always be opened to you, and whenever Slayers wishes to join the federation, we will always be open
It is not mentioned on original article. Done! Thanks
But you did translate it, was it in the version you translated? (Did they remove it later?)
(And thanks for the translation!)
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Puzzle, Coca and min are quitting SC2 for LoL
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that s very sad news.
Yet, we will never forget Slayers, as this team was legendary
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On October 18 2012 22:41 Zocat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 22:39 Weirdkid wrote:On October 18 2012 22:38 blue_blood wrote:
@ Weirdkid Looks like you did very good translation! Just delete
[But now that I hear all these things which they are saying, it feels like being betrayed by my own family,] and I am very disappointed with Kim Ga Yeon's decision. At that time I said, our gates will always be opened to you, and whenever Slayers wishes to join the federation, we will always be open
It is not mentioned on original article. Done! Thanks But you did translate it, was it in the version you translated? (Did they remove it later?) (And thanks for the translation!)
I translated it from a Chinese translation of the Korean article, but I typically cross-check with the Google translated Korean article to ensure that the information is roughly correct and edit accordingly. For this, I think the part about the gates being opened was in the original article, but I didn't see the betrayed by family part in the original article. Eventually chose to keep it in because I thought it might have been used to try to convey the emotion properly or something. Guess not
Edit: The timing of stuff is really confusing. This guy says practice restrictions ended on March 27, and Jessica says practice restrictions ended on some other date >.<
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On October 18 2012 22:04 S_SienZ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 21:54 Serinox wrote:On October 18 2012 21:46 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:On October 18 2012 21:25 TeeTS wrote:On October 18 2012 21:01 CodeskyE wrote:On October 18 2012 20:57 TeeTS wrote:On October 18 2012 20:43 CodeskyE wrote:On October 18 2012 19:00 mongmong wrote:Basically Coach Won claimed that Jessica once demanded ridiculous amount of transfer fee for MMA from foreign teams, to which Jessica disputed backed up with evidence. http://www.inven.co.kr/webzine/news/?news=48819this article clarifies that Jessica approached Nazgul by email and offered MMA to Team Liquid without ANY transfer fee involved. But Nazgul declined because he had already planned on which players to recruit according to the article 0_0 update the OP and put this information. at this point, it's almost sure that jessica is telling the truth. she's providing evidences too. so far, she's proved alicia and coach won wrong. if i was esf, either make a true statement or keep quiet and let this drama pass by slowly. this offer is 1month old (dated on 5th of september 2012, see in the other post here). Even in Jessica's version of the story the eSF sanctions ended WAY before that. So it has absolutely nothing to do with this this issue and is only brought up to make eSF look bad in the eyes of uninformed people. She tries to destroy eSF and its teams as her final revenge. Her evidents are semi-truths, because they don't really have anything to do with the points her opposition brings up, but make them look like lyers. This is a really dirty game of Jessica and I hope people start to realise that. (even her "evidents" against Alicia were not entirely on point, You can argue that Alicia is spoiled and demands way to much, but Jessica's behavior here is way worse!) Jessica tries to destroy ESF? What are you on? SlayerS was the team apaprently that got destroyed by ESF politics. ESF started this "dirty" game as you call it, but Jessica's going to finish the same "dirty" game. Ok just for you we take a look at the timeline of this MMA issue, where coach Won mentioned Jessica demanding insane transfer fee's for MMA going to a foreign team and Jessica responding with this "offer" to TL. The issues about MMA wanting to join a foreign team came up several weeks before GSTL season 2 finals. (remember he missed several GSTL matches in season 2 to his demotion to the B-Team.) the GSTL season 2 finals took place on July 28th 2012-> so the whole MMA may have taken place in late June - JulyThere MMA stated his will to join a foreign team.Nothing happened though and MMA returned to be the starting player for Slayers in the finals. - It's really hard to think that no teams would be interested in a 2time GSL and multiple major foreign tournament champion. So it's way more possible that Slayers denied a switch - by demanding insane transfer fees perhaps? makes a lot of sense if you think about it! then we know now that Jessica offered MMA for free to Team Liquid (in person of Nazgul) on September 5th 2012. more than a month later! Even in Jessica's version of the story the eSF sanctions ended in June/July 2012. (While it's very doubtful that they lasted that long!). So obviously Coach Won's statement regarding Slayers demanding to high transfer fees has nothing to do with either the offer to TL or the time it was made in! So Jessica's evidence that Coach Won is lying is absolutely nullified by the timelime of events.And so we have NO evidence right now, that coach Won is lying, BUT we have an approach by Jessica to make it look like. Also Jessica seems very much prepared for everything her opposition may try to come up with. !! This wouldn't be the case if she just wanted to substantiate why she disolved Slayers. !! - her fans would believe her anyways and she doesn't need to care about the rest in that regard! So you have to think what's the reason for all this is... Since there is no winner in this whole drama and everyone right now already lost a lot of credibility, everything points towards vengeance. Vengeance against the players that may or may not betrayed her and the "evil" eSF. And everyone involved should be really careful now because this is going to cause MAJOR damage to the whole SC2 construct in Korea. And if this goes out of control it may bring the whole scene to collapse! Nothing about the drama, but I thought MMA only has one GSL win. GOM counts the Blizzard Cup as a full GSL title, so people started to do so too. Wait whaa? When was this acknowledged?
Remember there's a difference between saying "GSL title" and "Code S" title. GSL leagues are not only Code S, so you can have a title from a GSL league without being a Code S winner.
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"As a result, we started putting in place the practice restrictions from 10 March to 27 March after NASL Season 3 ended. "
"All our teams never once mentioned or agreed to isolate Slayers."
Am I the only one that thinks these two statements contradict each other considering how much time players spend in practice house (basically 24/7) and the only interaction with other teams is through practices?
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