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Weirdkid
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Singapore2431 Posts
October 18 2012 11:20 GMT
#2401
Ooohh Coach Won from ESF has a statement too
"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself." - Proverbs 26:4
YyapSsap
Profile Joined September 2010
New Zealand1511 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-18 11:25:47
October 18 2012 11:21 GMT
#2402
On October 18 2012 19:51 Lysanias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 19:18 YyapSsap wrote:
On October 18 2012 19:14 leveller wrote:
Poor Boxer and Jessica, really spending so much money out of your own pocket, caring for your players, having the establishment fight against you and lie to you.


And the icying on the cake is the kids on TL saying "oh more drama yawn" .. They dont realise how FAR esports has gotten from what it was in 1999. They just dont appreciate it enough like the current brew of SC2 players that jump to foreign teams (where freedom and $$$ is at) at any given opportunity.


Had foreign Broodwar been as big as it was in Korea i am sure players would have jumped aswell.

The past isn't better any way you make it, people always make a choice for money any period of time it's human nature, you want the best oppertunity for you yourself.
Back then all the money was in Korea so they stayed there, now it's not so they take other oppertunity's.

I honestly have no idea why you would think that comment is relevent.


Maybe you need to re-read what I wrote.

First off there was no money to begin with. Maybe a few hundred bucks? Not to mention about the ludicrousness of pc gaming as a professional sport which was the perspective of an average person (it is sort of still to this day). But alot of dedicated people (Boxer being one of the key people) took that ludicrousness and turned it into a somewhat legitimate "e-sport". I really do think that BW and the esports it created has been the corner stone for esports for other games which also happened to turn alot more global.

Now whats really disturbing me is far too many players take this esports for granted. It wont last forever unless you strive to improve the scene (i.e. big commitments/dedication and self-sacrifice have to be made for all people involved, just look at BW and how popular that game still is to this day in Korea - thanks to alot of korean affiliated with BW) and alot of the SC2 bred players/managers/coaches (Koreans) are just jumping on/off the bandwagon for quick $$$. You say "you want the best oppertunity for you yourself." which is true, especially in the western culture which im also very firmiliar with but this sort of thing doesn't work in Korea. It would portray you has having zero loyalty i.e. credibility and no one would trust you.

Ever since seeing large occurrences of korean players jumping to different teams on a whim and retiring only after a few months its not surprising to read the OP and the surrounding events. The scene underneath is in abit of a mess and this probably reveals some of that. Its a big blow to the LoL vs SC2 arms race.

I just think that the players need to understand that because of the hardwork put into esports byt he seniors from the days of instant noodles + practising in some of the worst conditions ever due to the lack of funding, they have it real easy for now. They shouldn't abuse the situation by just cashing in for short term then pulling the rug from underneath. This goes to the top management figures in SC2 Korea as well.

Hell, TL won't even be this big (or known) if there was no Boxer or any of the other contributors that was around.
necrosed
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil885 Posts
October 18 2012 11:28 GMT
#2403
Oooo, love the drama.
Shadow of his former self.
UnKooL
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1667 Posts
October 18 2012 11:29 GMT
#2404
So I haven't actually heard anyone talk about the biggest victim in this scandal...Genius. He joined SlayerS pretty recently as an accomplished player only to have the team disband after a few months of stay. I guess he didn't have any clue about the controversies surrounding SlayerS before he joined, or he decided to take the chance and join anyway because SlayerS is one of the more financially sound teams in Korea. Really sad for Genius as he is one of my favorite Protoss players and a player who has been relevant in the Starcraft 2 competitive scene since the creation of the GSL. Hopefully he joins a nice team.
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YyapSsap
Profile Joined September 2010
New Zealand1511 Posts
October 18 2012 11:30 GMT
#2405
On October 18 2012 20:29 UnKooL wrote:
So I haven't actually heard anyone talk about the biggest victim in this scandal...Genius. He joined SlayerS pretty recently as an accomplished player only to have the team disband after a few months of stay. I guess he didn't have any clue about the controversies surrounding SlayerS before he joined, or he decided to take the chance and join anyway because SlayerS is one of the more financially sound teams in Korea. Really sad for Genius as he is one of my favorite Protoss players and a player who has been relevant in the Starcraft 2 competitive scene since the creation of the GSL. Hopefully he joins a nice team.


Hope he joins SKT
{ToT}ColmA
Profile Joined November 2007
Japan3260 Posts
October 18 2012 11:30 GMT
#2406
Why cant people be honest and ve to be cutthroat behind other people back, thats a pretty unsettling feeling i get, i am glad to not be in anyones shoes but mine <:
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42394 Posts
October 18 2012 11:39 GMT
#2407
On October 18 2012 20:30 YyapSsap wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 20:29 UnKooL wrote:
So I haven't actually heard anyone talk about the biggest victim in this scandal...Genius. He joined SlayerS pretty recently as an accomplished player only to have the team disband after a few months of stay. I guess he didn't have any clue about the controversies surrounding SlayerS before he joined, or he decided to take the chance and join anyway because SlayerS is one of the more financially sound teams in Korea. Really sad for Genius as he is one of my favorite Protoss players and a player who has been relevant in the Starcraft 2 competitive scene since the creation of the GSL. Hopefully he joins a nice team.


Hope he joins SKT


sadly he doesn't have Kespa license.
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CodeskyE
Profile Joined January 2011
United States777 Posts
October 18 2012 11:43 GMT
#2408
On October 18 2012 19:00 mongmong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 18:33 Fionn wrote:
http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=1315666&category=13438

New article that talks about Nazgul?




Basically Coach Won claimed that Jessica once demanded ridiculous amount of transfer fee for MMA from foreign

teams, to which Jessica disputed backed up with evidence.



http://www.inven.co.kr/webzine/news/?news=48819


this article clarifies that Jessica approached Nazgul by email and offered MMA to Team Liquid without ANY

transfer fee involved. But Nazgul declined because he had already planned on which players to recruit according

to the article 0_0




update the OP and put this information.


at this point, it's almost sure that jessica is telling the truth. she's providing evidences too.


so far, she's proved alicia and coach won wrong. if i was esf, either make a true statement or keep quiet and let this drama pass by slowly.


KanoCoke
Profile Joined June 2011
Japan863 Posts
October 18 2012 11:44 GMT
#2409
In Genius' case, he was always talking favourably of SlayerS, and even commented on a few interviews before his signing to SlayerS that he liked the team chair that he had the opportunity to sit on (there are various meanings that could be taken from this statement). He, as a former eSF player had no qualms with the group and joined them at a time when both he and SlayerS were in trouble. This leads me to think that the whole SlayerS situation and how eSF was treating it drove him to move out of team MVP even despite the fact that his best friends were in that group.

Not only that, with this current debacle, he sides with BoxeR and Jessica while everyone else chose to leave.

This right here is SKT1 material.
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nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
October 18 2012 11:57 GMT
#2410
On October 18 2012 20:44 KanoCoke wrote:
In Genius' case, he was always talking favourably of SlayerS, and even commented on a few interviews before his signing to SlayerS that he liked the team chair that he had the opportunity to sit on (there are various meanings that could be taken from this statement). He, as a former eSF player had no qualms with the group and joined them at a time when both he and SlayerS were in trouble. This leads me to think that the whole SlayerS situation and how eSF was treating it drove him to move out of team MVP even despite the fact that his best friends were in that group.

Not only that, with this current debacle, he sides with BoxeR and Jessica while everyone else chose to leave.

This right here is SKT1 material.


that is still speculation is it not?
i have not seen anywhere that genius has some words for the slayers situation, so i can't see him as siding with anyone or having a definitive opinion (that we can see)

i say this because i care about genius
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TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-18 11:59:18
October 18 2012 11:57 GMT
#2411
On October 18 2012 20:43 CodeskyE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 19:00 mongmong wrote:
On October 18 2012 18:33 Fionn wrote:
http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=1315666&category=13438

New article that talks about Nazgul?




Basically Coach Won claimed that Jessica once demanded ridiculous amount of transfer fee for MMA from foreign

teams, to which Jessica disputed backed up with evidence.



http://www.inven.co.kr/webzine/news/?news=48819


this article clarifies that Jessica approached Nazgul by email and offered MMA to Team Liquid without ANY

transfer fee involved. But Nazgul declined because he had already planned on which players to recruit according

to the article 0_0




update the OP and put this information.


at this point, it's almost sure that jessica is telling the truth. she's providing evidences too.


so far, she's proved alicia and coach won wrong. if i was esf, either make a true statement or keep quiet and let this drama pass by slowly.




this offer is 1month old (dated on 5th of september 2012, see in the other post here). Even in Jessica's version of the story the eSF sanctions ended WAY before that. So it has absolutely nothing to do with this this issue and is only brought up to make eSF look bad in the eyes of uninformed people. She tries to destroy eSF and its teams as her final revenge. Her evidents are semi-truths, because they don't really have anything to do with the points her opposition brings up, but make them look like lyers. This is a really dirty game of Jessica and I hope people start to realise that. (even her "evidents" against Alicia were not entirely on point, You can argue that Alicia is spoiled and demands way to much, but Jessica's behavior here is way worse!)
CodeskyE
Profile Joined January 2011
United States777 Posts
October 18 2012 12:01 GMT
#2412
On October 18 2012 20:57 TeeTS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 20:43 CodeskyE wrote:
On October 18 2012 19:00 mongmong wrote:
On October 18 2012 18:33 Fionn wrote:
http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=1315666&category=13438

New article that talks about Nazgul?




Basically Coach Won claimed that Jessica once demanded ridiculous amount of transfer fee for MMA from foreign

teams, to which Jessica disputed backed up with evidence.



http://www.inven.co.kr/webzine/news/?news=48819


this article clarifies that Jessica approached Nazgul by email and offered MMA to Team Liquid without ANY

transfer fee involved. But Nazgul declined because he had already planned on which players to recruit according

to the article 0_0




update the OP and put this information.


at this point, it's almost sure that jessica is telling the truth. she's providing evidences too.


so far, she's proved alicia and coach won wrong. if i was esf, either make a true statement or keep quiet and let this drama pass by slowly.




this offer is 1month old (dated on 5th of september 2012, see in the other post here). Even in Jessica's version of the story the eSF sanctions ended WAY before that. So it has absolutely nothing to do with this this issue and is only brought up to make eSF look bad in the eyes of uninformed people. She tries to destroy eSF and its teams as her final revenge. Her evidents are semi-truths, because they don't really have anything to do with the points her opposition brings up, but make them look like lyers. This is a really dirty game of Jessica and I hope people start to realise that. (even her "evidents" against Alicia were not entirely on point, You can argue that Alicia is spoiled and demands way to much, but Jessica's behavior here is way worse!)




Jessica tries to destroy ESF?

What are you on? SlayerS was the team apaprently that got destroyed by ESF politics.

ESF started this "dirty" game as you call it, but Jessica's going to finish the same "dirty" game.
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
October 18 2012 12:02 GMT
#2413
Wow, just checked the OP again and it seems like the moment anyone replies with 'their side' Jessica is all over them with what are basically threats.

I don't disbelieve the overall story, in fact most likely what she's said is true without too much exaggeration, but seriously now her replies feel like they're becoming increasingly dramatic.
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Clefairy
Profile Joined September 2011
1570 Posts
October 18 2012 12:05 GMT
#2414
On October 18 2012 20:57 nanaoei wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 20:44 KanoCoke wrote:
In Genius' case, he was always talking favourably of SlayerS, and even commented on a few interviews before his signing to SlayerS that he liked the team chair that he had the opportunity to sit on (there are various meanings that could be taken from this statement). He, as a former eSF player had no qualms with the group and joined them at a time when both he and SlayerS were in trouble. This leads me to think that the whole SlayerS situation and how eSF was treating it drove him to move out of team MVP even despite the fact that his best friends were in that group.

Not only that, with this current debacle, he sides with BoxeR and Jessica while everyone else chose to leave.

This right here is SKT1 material.


that is still speculation is it not?
i have not seen anywhere that genius has some words for the slayers situation, so i can't see him as siding with anyone or having a definitive opinion (that we can see)

i say this because i care about genius

Jessica says that the ESF won't be able to refute her claims if they consider that one of their players is a former ESF player, which probably refers to Genius. So Genius probably joined despite knowing about the outcasting and told her about all the things he witnessed.
Weirdkid
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Singapore2431 Posts
October 18 2012 12:07 GMT
#2415
Hmm. Just to check. Is anyone translating the Coach Won statement? If so I'll stop lol. I'm up to point 5 now.
"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself." - Proverbs 26:4
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
October 18 2012 12:09 GMT
#2416
On October 18 2012 21:07 Weirdkid wrote:
Hmm. Just to check. Is anyone translating the Coach Won statement? If so I'll stop lol. I'm up to point 5 now.


So far people have only talked about the 'summary' but no-ones mentioned a full trans until now I believe...
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xXFireandIceXx
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada4296 Posts
October 18 2012 12:15 GMT
#2417
On October 18 2012 21:02 bittman wrote:
Wow, just checked the OP again and it seems like the moment anyone replies with 'their side' Jessica is all over them with what are basically threats.

I don't disbelieve the overall story, in fact most likely what she's said is true without too much exaggeration, but seriously now her replies feel like they're becoming increasingly dramatic.

You would too if someone was misrepresenting you and you had solid evidence.
mongmong
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)1389 Posts
October 18 2012 12:17 GMT
#2418
On October 18 2012 20:57 TeeTS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 20:43 CodeskyE wrote:
On October 18 2012 19:00 mongmong wrote:
On October 18 2012 18:33 Fionn wrote:
http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=1315666&category=13438

New article that talks about Nazgul?




Basically Coach Won claimed that Jessica once demanded ridiculous amount of transfer fee for MMA from foreign

teams, to which Jessica disputed backed up with evidence.



http://www.inven.co.kr/webzine/news/?news=48819


this article clarifies that Jessica approached Nazgul by email and offered MMA to Team Liquid without ANY

transfer fee involved. But Nazgul declined because he had already planned on which players to recruit according

to the article 0_0




update the OP and put this information.


at this point, it's almost sure that jessica is telling the truth. she's providing evidences too.


so far, she's proved alicia and coach won wrong. if i was esf, either make a true statement or keep quiet and let this drama pass by slowly.




this offer is 1month old (dated on 5th of september 2012, see in the other post here). Even in Jessica's version of the story the eSF sanctions ended WAY before that. So it has absolutely nothing to do with this this issue and is only brought up to make eSF look bad in the eyes of uninformed people. She tries to destroy eSF and its teams as her final revenge. Her evidents are semi-truths, because they don't really have anything to do with the points her opposition brings up, but make them look like lyers. This is a really dirty game of Jessica and I hope people start to realise that. (even her "evidents" against Alicia were not entirely on point, You can argue that Alicia is spoiled and demands way to much, but Jessica's behavior here is way worse!)




It is relevant because it was coach won started this "Jessica tried to make fortune from selling mma to foreign teams

for a ridiculous amount of transfer fees"

please dont start a drama. She released this evidence IN RESPONSE TO WHAT COACH WON said.

어헣 ↗ 어헣 ↗
Zocat
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2229 Posts
October 18 2012 12:20 GMT
#2419
On October 18 2012 20:57 TeeTS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 20:43 CodeskyE wrote:
On October 18 2012 19:00 mongmong wrote:
On October 18 2012 18:33 Fionn wrote:
http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=1315666&category=13438

New article that talks about Nazgul?




Basically Coach Won claimed that Jessica once demanded ridiculous amount of transfer fee for MMA from foreign

teams, to which Jessica disputed backed up with evidence.



http://www.inven.co.kr/webzine/news/?news=48819


this article clarifies that Jessica approached Nazgul by email and offered MMA to Team Liquid without ANY

transfer fee involved. But Nazgul declined because he had already planned on which players to recruit according

to the article 0_0




update the OP and put this information.


at this point, it's almost sure that jessica is telling the truth. she's providing evidences too.


so far, she's proved alicia and coach won wrong. if i was esf, either make a true statement or keep quiet and let this drama pass by slowly.




this offer is 1month old (dated on 5th of september 2012, see in the other post here). Even in Jessica's version of the story the eSF sanctions ended WAY before that. So it has absolutely nothing to do with this this issue and is only brought up to make eSF look bad in the eyes of uninformed people. She tries to destroy eSF and its teams as her final revenge. Her evidents are semi-truths, because they don't really have anything to do with the points her opposition brings up, but make them look like lyers. This is a really dirty game of Jessica and I hope people start to realise that. (even her "evidents" against Alicia were not entirely on point, You can argue that Alicia is spoiled and demands way to much, but Jessica's behavior here is way worse!)


I dont get your point. Yes, this email & situation didnt have anything to do with the original topic.
But why did ESF (Coach Won) mention it in the first place? It has nothing to do with the topic, and hell, it's even Jessica's right to demand an "outrageous" transfer fee. MMA is under contract - end of the story (see professional sports).

Jessica doesnt even deny (from what is translated) that she wanted a transfer fee "once". She just showed, that she also offered him for free.

Coach Won mentioned it to discredit Jessica as a money hungry bitch, there's no other reason to mention it. And with her proof that she offered MMA for free, she refutes this notion easily. He's swimming - hard.
Killmouse
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria5700 Posts
October 18 2012 12:22 GMT
#2420
poor boxer aaaaaa, i feel so sad for him T.T bastard mma hurted boxer
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