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Weirdkid
Singapore2431 Posts
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YyapSsap
New Zealand1511 Posts
On October 18 2012 19:51 Lysanias wrote: Had foreign Broodwar been as big as it was in Korea i am sure players would have jumped aswell. The past isn't better any way you make it, people always make a choice for money any period of time it's human nature, you want the best oppertunity for you yourself. Back then all the money was in Korea so they stayed there, now it's not so they take other oppertunity's. I honestly have no idea why you would think that comment is relevent. Maybe you need to re-read what I wrote. First off there was no money to begin with. Maybe a few hundred bucks? Not to mention about the ludicrousness of pc gaming as a professional sport which was the perspective of an average person (it is sort of still to this day). But alot of dedicated people (Boxer being one of the key people) took that ludicrousness and turned it into a somewhat legitimate "e-sport". I really do think that BW and the esports it created has been the corner stone for esports for other games which also happened to turn alot more global. Now whats really disturbing me is far too many players take this esports for granted. It wont last forever unless you strive to improve the scene (i.e. big commitments/dedication and self-sacrifice have to be made for all people involved, just look at BW and how popular that game still is to this day in Korea - thanks to alot of korean affiliated with BW) and alot of the SC2 bred players/managers/coaches (Koreans) are just jumping on/off the bandwagon for quick $$$. You say "you want the best oppertunity for you yourself." which is true, especially in the western culture which im also very firmiliar with but this sort of thing doesn't work in Korea. It would portray you has having zero loyalty i.e. credibility and no one would trust you. Ever since seeing large occurrences of korean players jumping to different teams on a whim and retiring only after a few months its not surprising to read the OP and the surrounding events. The scene underneath is in abit of a mess and this probably reveals some of that. Its a big blow to the LoL vs SC2 arms race. I just think that the players need to understand that because of the hardwork put into esports byt he seniors from the days of instant noodles + practising in some of the worst conditions ever due to the lack of funding, they have it real easy for now. They shouldn't abuse the situation by just cashing in for short term then pulling the rug from underneath. This goes to the top management figures in SC2 Korea as well. Hell, TL won't even be this big (or known) if there was no Boxer or any of the other contributors that was around. | ||
necrosed
Brazil885 Posts
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UnKooL
Korea (South)1667 Posts
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YyapSsap
New Zealand1511 Posts
On October 18 2012 20:29 UnKooL wrote: So I haven't actually heard anyone talk about the biggest victim in this scandal...Genius. He joined SlayerS pretty recently as an accomplished player only to have the team disband after a few months of stay. I guess he didn't have any clue about the controversies surrounding SlayerS before he joined, or he decided to take the chance and join anyway because SlayerS is one of the more financially sound teams in Korea. Really sad for Genius as he is one of my favorite Protoss players and a player who has been relevant in the Starcraft 2 competitive scene since the creation of the GSL. Hopefully he joins a nice team. Hope he joins SKT ![]() | ||
{ToT}ColmA
Japan3260 Posts
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Grettin
42381 Posts
sadly he doesn't have Kespa license. | ||
CodeskyE
United States777 Posts
On October 18 2012 19:00 mongmong wrote: Basically Coach Won claimed that Jessica once demanded ridiculous amount of transfer fee for MMA from foreign teams, to which Jessica disputed backed up with evidence. http://www.inven.co.kr/webzine/news/?news=48819 this article clarifies that Jessica approached Nazgul by email and offered MMA to Team Liquid without ANY transfer fee involved. But Nazgul declined because he had already planned on which players to recruit according to the article 0_0 update the OP and put this information. at this point, it's almost sure that jessica is telling the truth. she's providing evidences too. so far, she's proved alicia and coach won wrong. if i was esf, either make a true statement or keep quiet and let this drama pass by slowly. | ||
KanoCoke
Japan863 Posts
Not only that, with this current debacle, he sides with BoxeR and Jessica while everyone else chose to leave. This right here is SKT1 material. | ||
nanaoei
3358 Posts
On October 18 2012 20:44 KanoCoke wrote: In Genius' case, he was always talking favourably of SlayerS, and even commented on a few interviews before his signing to SlayerS that he liked the team chair that he had the opportunity to sit on (there are various meanings that could be taken from this statement). He, as a former eSF player had no qualms with the group and joined them at a time when both he and SlayerS were in trouble. This leads me to think that the whole SlayerS situation and how eSF was treating it drove him to move out of team MVP even despite the fact that his best friends were in that group. Not only that, with this current debacle, he sides with BoxeR and Jessica while everyone else chose to leave. This right here is SKT1 material. that is still speculation is it not? i have not seen anywhere that genius has some words for the slayers situation, so i can't see him as siding with anyone or having a definitive opinion (that we can see) i say this because i care about genius | ||
TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
On October 18 2012 20:43 CodeskyE wrote: update the OP and put this information. at this point, it's almost sure that jessica is telling the truth. she's providing evidences too. so far, she's proved alicia and coach won wrong. if i was esf, either make a true statement or keep quiet and let this drama pass by slowly. this offer is 1month old (dated on 5th of september 2012, see in the other post here). Even in Jessica's version of the story the eSF sanctions ended WAY before that. So it has absolutely nothing to do with this this issue and is only brought up to make eSF look bad in the eyes of uninformed people. She tries to destroy eSF and its teams as her final revenge. Her evidents are semi-truths, because they don't really have anything to do with the points her opposition brings up, but make them look like lyers. This is a really dirty game of Jessica and I hope people start to realise that. (even her "evidents" against Alicia were not entirely on point, You can argue that Alicia is spoiled and demands way to much, but Jessica's behavior here is way worse!) | ||
CodeskyE
United States777 Posts
On October 18 2012 20:57 TeeTS wrote: this offer is 1month old (dated on 5th of september 2012, see in the other post here). Even in Jessica's version of the story the eSF sanctions ended WAY before that. So it has absolutely nothing to do with this this issue and is only brought up to make eSF look bad in the eyes of uninformed people. She tries to destroy eSF and its teams as her final revenge. Her evidents are semi-truths, because they don't really have anything to do with the points her opposition brings up, but make them look like lyers. This is a really dirty game of Jessica and I hope people start to realise that. (even her "evidents" against Alicia were not entirely on point, You can argue that Alicia is spoiled and demands way to much, but Jessica's behavior here is way worse!) Jessica tries to destroy ESF? What are you on? SlayerS was the team apaprently that got destroyed by ESF politics. ESF started this "dirty" game as you call it, but Jessica's going to finish the same "dirty" game. | ||
bittman
Australia8759 Posts
I don't disbelieve the overall story, in fact most likely what she's said is true without too much exaggeration, but seriously now her replies feel like they're becoming increasingly dramatic. | ||
Clefairy
1570 Posts
On October 18 2012 20:57 nanaoei wrote: that is still speculation is it not? i have not seen anywhere that genius has some words for the slayers situation, so i can't see him as siding with anyone or having a definitive opinion (that we can see) i say this because i care about genius Jessica says that the ESF won't be able to refute her claims if they consider that one of their players is a former ESF player, which probably refers to Genius. So Genius probably joined despite knowing about the outcasting and told her about all the things he witnessed. | ||
Weirdkid
Singapore2431 Posts
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bittman
Australia8759 Posts
On October 18 2012 21:07 Weirdkid wrote: Hmm. Just to check. Is anyone translating the Coach Won statement? If so I'll stop lol. I'm up to point 5 now. So far people have only talked about the 'summary' but no-ones mentioned a full trans until now I believe... | ||
xXFireandIceXx
Canada4296 Posts
On October 18 2012 21:02 bittman wrote: Wow, just checked the OP again and it seems like the moment anyone replies with 'their side' Jessica is all over them with what are basically threats. I don't disbelieve the overall story, in fact most likely what she's said is true without too much exaggeration, but seriously now her replies feel like they're becoming increasingly dramatic. You would too if someone was misrepresenting you and you had solid evidence. | ||
mongmong
Korea (South)1389 Posts
On October 18 2012 20:57 TeeTS wrote: this offer is 1month old (dated on 5th of september 2012, see in the other post here). Even in Jessica's version of the story the eSF sanctions ended WAY before that. So it has absolutely nothing to do with this this issue and is only brought up to make eSF look bad in the eyes of uninformed people. She tries to destroy eSF and its teams as her final revenge. Her evidents are semi-truths, because they don't really have anything to do with the points her opposition brings up, but make them look like lyers. This is a really dirty game of Jessica and I hope people start to realise that. (even her "evidents" against Alicia were not entirely on point, You can argue that Alicia is spoiled and demands way to much, but Jessica's behavior here is way worse!) It is relevant because it was coach won started this "Jessica tried to make fortune from selling mma to foreign teams for a ridiculous amount of transfer fees" please dont start a drama. She released this evidence IN RESPONSE TO WHAT COACH WON said. | ||
Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
On October 18 2012 20:57 TeeTS wrote: this offer is 1month old (dated on 5th of september 2012, see in the other post here). Even in Jessica's version of the story the eSF sanctions ended WAY before that. So it has absolutely nothing to do with this this issue and is only brought up to make eSF look bad in the eyes of uninformed people. She tries to destroy eSF and its teams as her final revenge. Her evidents are semi-truths, because they don't really have anything to do with the points her opposition brings up, but make them look like lyers. This is a really dirty game of Jessica and I hope people start to realise that. (even her "evidents" against Alicia were not entirely on point, You can argue that Alicia is spoiled and demands way to much, but Jessica's behavior here is way worse!) I dont get your point. Yes, this email & situation didnt have anything to do with the original topic. But why did ESF (Coach Won) mention it in the first place? It has nothing to do with the topic, and hell, it's even Jessica's right to demand an "outrageous" transfer fee. MMA is under contract - end of the story (see professional sports). Jessica doesnt even deny (from what is translated) that she wanted a transfer fee "once". She just showed, that she also offered him for free. Coach Won mentioned it to discredit Jessica as a money hungry bitch, there's no other reason to mention it. And with her proof that she offered MMA for free, she refutes this notion easily. He's swimming - hard. | ||
Killmouse
Austria5700 Posts
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