On October 18 2012 08:49 m1rk3 wrote: Sad Day. Sc2 dead? hope not.
What ? One team disband because bad management, Destiny trolling like always and ppl think it is end of sc2 funny
Did you even read what happened?
Jessica is still partly at fault, though. Sure, eSF is wrong in embargo players from training with Slayers, and Alicia just lying. But Jessica still did a couple of mismanagement, primarily give manager J all the shot on dealing with sponsors. That's a huge mistake that you cannot ignore at all.
Everyone is partly at fault here. Blaming only eSF's embargo as a sole reason why Slayers disbands is as bad as blaming everything on Jessica.
lol seriously?
she had good reason to think that the guy was sincere. very, very, good reason.
I don't know what to think about the bits regarding players acting selfishly whatever, but "J", who handled all of that stuff was pretty much the reason all of this happened to begin with :/
And that's a sign that she is not a good manager. This is business, not some child play. Even a family member can embezzle money from the family business if they get a chance and willing to do (family first hand experience, my mother's company was almost drove to the ground by my aunt-in-law).
Dealing with sponsorship is a big deal, and even she trusted him, she should still accompany him and check with sponsors by herself.
No, that's the point of hiring a MANAGER. When you hire somebody, you expect that person to be able to do that job when they accept it. When you hire a cook, you expect her to be able to cook on the first day of the job; when you hire a secretary, you expect that person to do whatever secretary does on the first day, so does manager. It's not like that "J" dude didn't his job, he managed couple other jobs that Jessica talked about, 2 months is enough to prove that he can do management jobs, so it's normal to send him to deal with the sponsors. Moreover, given the context (Slayers were doing well, the contract is just a renew contract), it's normal and enough to just let manager J deal with it.
That J dude was hired as manager to manage the team and find sponsors, he sabotaged the team by making sponsors leave, and you blame Jessica? His job is to find sponsors, and everybody expects him to do so, only when the sponsors didn't renew contracts with SlayerS, Jessica got the news and found the problems, and you blamed her?
Let's go back and look what that J dude did before promoting to dealing with sponsors
At one time, we had a Manager "J" who took care of our international activities. He was only interested in Boxer at first, and not close to MMA. But when MMA started getting good results, he started diligently going to MMA's games.
He said he would take care of twitter and facebook with foreign fans, so we gave that to him as well as making him our international manager. In January of this year, we started the process negotiating for contract extensions with our two sponsors.
So he was an international manager that look after twitter and facebook and interact with foreign fans. But then he got promote to dealing with sponsors. What the hell? How can you trust and suddenly promote someone who only look after your facebook/twitter accounts for some months to that high and important position. That's what I mean about her mismanagement.
Hiring manager to look after facebook account is totally fine. Trusting him too much and let him handling sponsors without knowing his ability/responsibility is not.
@Milkis
You don't have to go to the opposite end and becomes like KesPA. Being passionate and care about your employee is good. But that does not means you can trust them with everything. You can be passionate at the same time drawing the line where the trust and passion should end and be professional.
If you followed the SlayerS twitter and facebook, you would see his English writing skill was flawless and he didn't create any problems. He stayed with the team, reporting their daily activites and posting their pictures. I guess you could fault Jessica for trusting him too early but they probably thought his English and Korean skill qualified him to handle their international sponsorships negotiation... I probably would've hired a lawyer or something.
On October 18 2012 08:49 m1rk3 wrote: Sad Day. Sc2 dead? hope not.
What ? One team disband because bad management, Destiny trolling like always and ppl think it is end of sc2 funny
Did you even read what happened?
Jessica is still partly at fault, though. Sure, eSF is wrong in embargo players from training with Slayers, and Alicia just lying. But Jessica still did a couple of mismanagement, primarily give manager J all the shot on dealing with sponsors. That's a huge mistake that you cannot ignore at all.
Everyone is partly at fault here. Blaming only eSF's embargo as a sole reason why Slayers disbands is as bad as blaming everything on Jessica.
lol seriously?
she had good reason to think that the guy was sincere. very, very, good reason.
I don't know what to think about the bits regarding players acting selfishly whatever, but "J", who handled all of that stuff was pretty much the reason all of this happened to begin with :/
And that's a sign that she is not a good manager. This is business, not some child play. Even a family member can embezzle money from the family business if they get a chance and willing to do (family first hand experience, my mother's company was almost drove to the ground by my aunt-in-law).
Dealing with sponsorship is a big deal, and even she trusted him, she should still accompany him and check with sponsors by herself.
No, that's the point of hiring a MANAGER. When you hire somebody, you expect that person to be able to do that job when they accept it. When you hire a cook, you expect her to be able to cook on the first day of the job; when you hire a secretary, you expect that person to do whatever secretary does on the first day, so does manager. It's not like that "J" dude didn't his job, he managed couple other jobs that Jessica talked about, 2 months is enough to prove that he can do management jobs, so it's normal to send him to deal with the sponsors. Moreover, given the context (Slayers were doing well, the contract is just a renew contract), it's normal and enough to just let manager J deal with it.
That J dude was hired as manager to manage the team and find sponsors, he sabotaged the team by making sponsors leave, and you blame Jessica? His job is to find sponsors, and everybody expects him to do so, only when the sponsors didn't renew contracts with SlayerS, Jessica got the news and found the problems, and you blamed her?
Let's go back and look what that J dude did before promoting to dealing with sponsors
At one time, we had a Manager "J" who took care of our international activities. He was only interested in Boxer at first, and not close to MMA. But when MMA started getting good results, he started diligently going to MMA's games.
He said he would take care of twitter and facebook with foreign fans, so we gave that to him as well as making him our international manager. In January of this year, we started the process negotiating for contract extensions with our two sponsors.
So he was an international manager that look after twitter and facebook and interact with foreign fans. But then he got promote to dealing with sponsors. What the hell? How can you trust and suddenly promote someone who only look after your facebook/twitter accounts for some months to that high and important position. That's what I mean about her mismanagement.
Hiring manager to look after facebook account is totally fine. Trusting him too much and let him handling sponsors without knowing his ability/responsibility is not.
@Milkis
You don't have to go to the opposite end and becomes like KesPA. Being passionate and care about your employee is good. But that does not means you can trust them with everything. You can be passionate at the same time drawing the line where the trust and passion should end and be professional.
If you followed the SlayerS twitter and facebook, you would see his English writing skill was flawless and he didn't create any problems. He stayed with the team, reporting their daily activites and posting their pictures. I guess you could fault Jessica for trusting him too early but they probably thought his English and Korean skill qualified him to handle their international sponsorships...
That might be the case. I followed them and I know he's extremely good in English. But I don't think that's the qualification she should look at when dealing with something that big.
Boxer did found a sponsorship before this guy came abroad. So they should have experience in finding a sponsor without using English that much. I don't think trusting someone new in this area is a good decision, from my experience. If Jessica worried about her English skill, then she could use him as a translator during the negotiation. Something might be lost in the translation, but she should be able to detect problems if something went wrong on the negotiation table.
But again, it's not only her fault. Manager J is definitely guilty. But she still share the fault more or less.
Jessica sounds out of touch with reality. Either she's too naive to realize what's going on, or she's incapable of rectifying tension among her team. Either way, she's unfit to be a team owner.
Couldn't say this was a real surprise. I thought SlayerS was quite dead once the spirit of the team - Boxer left for SKT. But what surprise me the most is the players are not willing to talk to Boxer when Boxer confronted them to not leave the team. It seems that they disrespect Boxer at one point.
Come one people, Boxer is the reason why Starcraft/Starcraft 2 became such a huge deal in the world of e-Sports. And now the more and more of the younger generations are counting him out.
Hmmm.. Kinda disappointed to the players if they really shut Boxer off. >.< I really hope Boxer will recover from this, this is such a huge impact to him.
On October 18 2012 12:33 Aserrin wrote: Proof that SC2 is dying to LoL.
Really disappointed at MMA. He was my favorite player. Was.
3 B level players switching to an easier game in an attempt for a better payday is proof that SC2 is dying to LoL?
Interesting.
How in the world are they B level players? ... 2 Code S and 1 Code A at least.
When was Min Code A last?
Puzzle was a certified Code S player, Min was a good depth player, and Coca had the POTENTIAL to be a very good, high level Code S player and maybe even a champion, but wasn't consistent at all.
On October 18 2012 12:33 Aserrin wrote: Proof that SC2 is dying to LoL.
Really disappointed at MMA. He was my favorite player. Was.
3 B level players switching to an easier game in an attempt for a better payday is proof that SC2 is dying to LoL?
Interesting.
How in the world are they B level players? ... 2 Code S and 1 Code A at least.
When was Min Code A last?
Puzzle was a certified Code S player, Min was a good depth player, and Coca had the POTENTIAL to be a very good, high level Code S player and maybe even a champion, but wasn't consistent at all.
On October 18 2012 12:12 eleaf wrote: Indeed Jessica herself is never short of money. But we are talking about 'embezzling' here and given the circumstance, well, they are just rumors and no further stories after that. I dont want to put opinions on the whole thing but since ppl here ask about how the hell does the money issue come out? I'm just providing an answer...
Ever heard of Occam's Razor?
A very good test for most crazy stories is to ask yourself: which story is more complicated and convoluted? The false stories and the lies are usually much more crazy and complicated than the truth. The truth tends to be much simpler.
So the story you're talking about involves Boxer illegally taking money from the team and giving it to Jessica to fund some actress stuff.
The story Jessica claims is that even though they are LEGALLY ENTITLED to money from prize winners due to the contracts their players have signed, they have never even taken LEGALLY ENTITLED money from the team. So why if they could get the money LEGALLY, would they make it more complicated and risky for themselves to take the money ILLEGALLY from the team from a different means?
Add to that the fact that Jessica is wealth already, and Boxer is doing quite well himself, and you can see which story I will believe.
Occam's Razor says it should be Jessica's story that is more likely to be the truth, at least in terms of money. The rest of her story, who knows... the rest of the story about Slayers is convoluted and complicated like hell. LOL.
Practice ban was firmed by ST_Ace, one of the ESF manager, and partially by Alicia for refusing to comment to cover his ass.
Manager J part was confirmed by Alicia. Basically confirms that J didn't do his job in handling the foreign sponsor negotiating and turned MMA and the other SlayerS player against Jessica and Boxer.
Ganzi part, which basically started the whole SlayerS vs ESF feud was confirmed by the IM manager.
For the Ganzi part, there is a HUGE difference between Jessica's account and IMHirai's account.
I wish for the Mod Edit Translation to be featured and the others deleted. It was aggravating to learn I read the first terriblly formatted one only to be graced with such a work of art later on.
On October 18 2012 12:33 Aserrin wrote: Proof that SC2 is dying to LoL.
Really disappointed at MMA. He was my favorite player. Was.
3 B level players switching to an easier game in an attempt for a better payday is proof that SC2 is dying to LoL?
Interesting.
How in the world are they B level players? ... 2 Code S and 1 Code A at least.
When was Min Code A last?
Puzzle was a certified Code S player, Min was a good depth player, and Coca had the POTENTIAL to be a very good, high level Code S player and maybe even a champion, but wasn't consistent at all.
Min made it Ro16 of OSL
i think min made it to ro32.. not 16.. but he was good.. just unfortunate not to make it through last couple gsls.. since i did follow most of his prelim results.. he was most of the time knocked out near the last round of prelims..
I was actually thinking, you could create a proper drama series with this ;O
On October 18 2012 12:59 gLFu_Ayr wrote: Jessica sounds out of touch with reality. Either she's too naive to realize what's going on, or she's incapable of rectifying tension among her team. Either way, she's unfit to be a team owner.
Actress that grew up in a rich family is out of touch with reality, you sure about that?
Even though most of us don't like Jessica as a drama queen, but it seems that she's telling the truth mostly, and very sincere also. Maybe she's not a good manager, but her heart and intention is definitely good.
EPT
