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Deleted User 135096
3624 Posts
On October 18 2012 11:43 FataLe wrote: omg, this entire ordeal is fucked. just goes to show how much there is we don't get told about. fuck, and for good reason too. wow this is.. idk this is too much. man, I left for rehearsal and came back and there are several more translations/stories attached to this... ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/9Ftqb.png) | ||
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
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itkovian
United States1763 Posts
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
Just an observation. As for this case. Just wow, I have nothing to say, this is messed up and I'm sad people had to go through this crap especially Boxer. | ||
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eleaf
526 Posts
On October 18 2012 11:47 FakeDeath wrote: Almost impossible to believe. Jessica comes from a super wealthy family(heiress to a huge construction firm in Korea) and is a fairly successful actress in Korea. Money was never a problem for Jessica. Indeed Jessica herself is never short of money. But we are talking about 'embezzling' here and given the circumstance, well, they are just rumors and no further stories after that. I dont want to put opinions on the whole thing but since ppl here ask about how the hell does the money issue come out? I'm just providing an answer... | ||
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tianGO
Argentina591 Posts
Foreign teams certainly could use a good coach. | ||
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Omnidroid
New Zealand214 Posts
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DtorR
Australia171 Posts
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On October 18 2012 09:36 Za7oX wrote: I have this on recording and I will see what he does in the future. what a evil person @_@ ._. since no one is trusting her word yet trusts the word of others with the same degree of material proof she is (or isn't) offering in the past I think it's well within here's right to record a phone call. | ||
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tubs
764 Posts
On October 18 2012 12:12 eleaf wrote: Indeed Jessica herself is never short of money. But we are talking about 'embezzling' here and given the circumstance, well, they are just rumors and no further stories after that. I dont want to put opinions on the whole thing but since ppl here ask about how the hell does the money issue come out? I'm just providing an answer... Ever heard of Occam's Razor? A very good test for most crazy stories is to ask yourself: which story is more complicated and convoluted? The false stories and the lies are usually much more crazy and complicated than the truth. The truth tends to be much simpler. So the story you're talking about involves Boxer illegally taking money from the team and giving it to Jessica to fund some actress stuff. The story Jessica claims is that even though they are LEGALLY ENTITLED to money from prize winners due to the contracts their players have signed, they have never even taken LEGALLY ENTITLED money from the team. So why if they could get the money LEGALLY, would they make it more complicated and risky for themselves to take the money ILLEGALLY from the team from a different means? Add to that the fact that Jessica is wealth already, and Boxer is doing quite well himself, and you can see which story I will believe. Occam's Razor says it should be Jessica's story that is more likely to be the truth, at least in terms of money. The rest of her story, who knows... the rest of the story about Slayers is convoluted and complicated like hell. LOL. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On October 18 2012 12:22 tubs wrote: Ever heard of Occam's Razor? A very good test for most crazy stories is to ask yourself: which story is more complicated and convoluted? The false stories and the lies are usually much more crazy and complicated than the truth. The truth tends to be much simpler. So the story you're talking about involves Boxer illegally taking money from the team and giving it to Jessica to fund some actress stuff. The story Jessica claims is that even though they are LEGALLY ENTITLED to money from prize winners due to the contracts their players have signed, they have never even taken LEGALLY ENTITLED money from the team. So why if they could get the money LEGALLY, would they make it more complicated and risky for themselves to take the money ILLEGALLY from the team from a different means? Add to that the fact that Jessica is wealth already, and Boxer is doing quite well himself, and you can see which story I will believe. Occam's Razor says it should be Jessica's story that is more likely to be the truth, at least in terms of money. The rest of her story, who knows... the rest of the story about Slayers is convoluted and complicated like hell. LOL. Occam's Razor says that, all other things being equal, the simpler explanation is better. It doesn't say that it's more likely to be true. | ||
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bucckevin
858 Posts
On October 18 2012 12:22 tubs wrote: Ever heard of Occam's Razor? A very good test for most crazy stories is to ask yourself: which story is more complicated and convoluted? The false stories and the lies are usually much more crazy and complicated than the truth. The truth tends to be much simpler. So the story you're talking about involves Boxer illegally taking money from the team and giving it to Jessica to fund some actress stuff. The story Jessica claims is that even though they are LEGALLY ENTITLED to money from prize winners due to the contracts their players have signed, they have never even taken LEGALLY ENTITLED money from the team. So why if they could get the money LEGALLY, would they make it more complicated and risky for themselves to take the money ILLEGALLY from the team from a different means? Add to that the fact that Jessica is wealth already, and Boxer is doing quite well himself, and you can see which story I will believe. Occam's Razor says it should be Jessica's story that is more likely to be the truth, at least in terms of money. The rest of her story, who knows... the rest of the story about Slayers is convoluted and complicated like hell. LOL. Practice ban was firmed by ST_Ace, one of the ESF manager, and partially by Alicia for refusing to comment to cover his ass. Manager J part was confirmed by Alicia. Basically confirms that J didn't do his job in handling the foreign sponsor negotiating and turned MMA and the other SlayerS player against Jessica and Boxer. Ganzi part, which basically started the whole SlayerS vs ESF feud was confirmed by the IM manager. | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On October 18 2012 12:28 GolemMadness wrote: Occam's Razor says that, all other things being equal, the simpler explanation is better. It doesn't say that it's more likely to be true. It's better BECAUSE it's more likely to be true. Why else would it be better? Look up Solomonoff Induction | ||
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Aserrin
Uruguay231 Posts
Really disappointed at MMA. He was my favorite player. Was. | ||
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wunsun
Canada622 Posts
 Except for TL, that was the only team that I really cheered for. | ||
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tyner
176 Posts
On October 18 2012 12:33 zefreak wrote: It's better BECAUSE it's more likely to be true. Why else would it be better? Look up Solomonoff Induction ya well ur rubber im glue and whatever you say bounces off him and sticks to u | ||
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tubs
764 Posts
On October 18 2012 12:28 GolemMadness wrote: Occam's Razor says that, all other things being equal, the simpler explanation is better. It doesn't say that it's more likely to be true. True true. Got me on a technicality here for sure  What I should have said is that Occam's Razor when applied here says that Jessica's simpler version of the way money was handled is better than the more complicated embezzlement angle proposed by others. What makes it more likely is Occam's Razor in combination with most people's experience with lies - that is, that lies are usually more complicated than the truth. Put those two together and then the better story is also more likely. | ||
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mango_destroyer
Canada3914 Posts
As for the players...I believe what goes around comes around. We will see. Sad for Cella and the non-diva players (who happen to not be the ones that regularly go to foreign tournaments) | ||
Fionn
United States23455 Posts
On October 18 2012 12:33 Aserrin wrote: Proof that SC2 is dying to LoL. Really disappointed at MMA. He was my favorite player. Was. LoL teams change and die all the time. I mean, Startale's LoL team died a few weeks ago. Teams die when new teams come in. | ||
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
On October 18 2012 09:51 canikizu wrote: No, that's the point of hiring a MANAGER. When you hire somebody, you expect that person to be able to do that job when they accept it. When you hire a cook, you expect her to be able to cook on the first day of the job; when you hire a secretary, you expect that person to do whatever secretary does on the first day, so does manager. It's not like that "J" dude didn't his job, he managed couple other jobs that Jessica talked about, 2 months is enough to prove that he can do management jobs, so it's normal to send him to deal with the sponsors. Moreover, given the context (Slayers were doing well, the contract is just a renew contract), it's normal and enough to just let manager J deal with it. That J dude was hired as manager to manage the team and find sponsors, he sabotaged the team by making sponsors leave, and you blame Jessica? His job is to find sponsors, and everybody expects him to do so, only when the sponsors didn't renew contracts with SlayerS, Jessica got the news and found the problems, and you blamed her? Let's go back and look what that J dude did before promoting to dealing with sponsors At one time, we had a Manager "J" who took care of our international activities. He was only interested in Boxer at first, and not close to MMA. But when MMA started getting good results, he started diligently going to MMA's games. He said he would take care of twitter and facebook with foreign fans, so we gave that to him as well as making him our international manager. In January of this year, we started the process negotiating for contract extensions with our two sponsors. So he was an international manager that look after twitter and facebook and interact with foreign fans. But then he got promote to dealing with sponsors. What the hell? How can you trust and suddenly promote someone who only look after your facebook/twitter accounts for some months to that high and important position. That's what I mean about her mismanagement. Hiring manager to look after facebook account is totally fine. Trusting him too much and let him handling sponsors without knowing his ability/responsibility is not. @Milkis You don't have to go to the opposite end and becomes like KesPA. Being passionate and care about your employee is good. But that does not means you can trust them with everything. You can be passionate at the same time drawing the line where the trust and passion should end and be professional. Caring is good, but it does not necessary make her fit to management. | ||
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