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On October 28 2012 09:27 VanGarde wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2012 09:11 Portvilla wrote:
Can't he just play LoL? Your phrasing resembles the elitist attitude Incontrol and Idra displayed to Destiny on Inside the Game. That does not work to solve the problem at all; it is just a low blow at a player for no particular reason Except he is actually just playing LoL. He has basically been only streaming LoL since he made his post. It is perplexing that not more people can see through the fac that this is just a huge marketing campaign. Destiny has clearly decided to switch to LoL since some time back, now he see's an opportunity to revitalize his following by starting up this whole thing. No one has provided any statistics that backs up any of the doomsday assumptions made by destiny. Until anyone provides actual data to support it, it should be ignored.
http://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/122kop/whats_been_going_on_an_update/
Why do people make up stupid conspiracy theories?
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On October 28 2012 09:56 VanGarde wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2012 09:38 Portvilla wrote:Kind of reminiscent of all those politicians denying climate change ey ? + Show Spoiler +(FYI: The community is the republican and Destiny is NDT) Good analogy but you misrepresented which side belongs where. No one argues with Destiny on the fact that there is a lot of stuff we want in the game that is not there yet. The argument is regarding whether or not the game is "dying" or not. Destiny and his followers claim the game is, yet this is a claim that comes with no actual data whatsoever. No one has yet to provide a single statistic that is rooted in a solid sample size that suggests anything is wrong with sc2 as an e-sport. In real life, you have to back up such claims with evidence if you want to be listened to. The analogy falls there because there is massive amounts of evidence for global warming. The argument is made that we are supposed to just accept the assertion that the game is dying because "it makes sense" or because the previous arguments that x and y is missing from the game somehow by default also validates the second argument. This process takes you down a path of multiple logical fallacies. The only real data we have heard so far is data that supports the opposing side. Such as Nazgul linking total prize money awarded per game etc.
I am a firm believer of evidence-based argument, so I guess I'm forced to agree with your point (for now)
I guess he likes comparing SC2 to other prevalent games on the scene (ie. LoL, DotA) which both beat SC2 for stream numbers these days. Coming in 3rd place is certainly not 'dying' by any means, but I think he just wants it to be as good as it can be, and is angry at blizzard for not trying their hardest to make it so
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I don't know if I should be impressed by Destiny or shocked by the community.
Picture this. A mediocre, barely "pro" SC2 personality, mostly known for racist comments, trying (?) to fuck a porn star and sending pictures of his tiny penis around the internet, posts an opinion based thread. The content is essentially "STARCRAFT IS FUCKED AND THERES NOTHING WE CAN DO". Mix in a self inflated sense of ego, pseduo intellectual arguements and a sprinkle of self righetousness.
Now, this player has posted no notable results in Starcraft 2, is famous less for his play and more for his appeal to angsty teens. Yet for some reason, there is overwhelming support and agreement about his ideas and opinions. No one has any factual evidence, merely circumstantial numbers and comparisons to other games.
If someone who actually had some kind weight behind their words came forth with this thread, presented it correctly with actual evidence and numbers that mean anything. perhaps then I could understand the community having such a sizeable contingent accepting it as gospel. However all we have here is TMZ styled sensationalism that makes as much sense as wearing wellies on your hands.
I don't know if I should be impressed by Destiny or shocked by the community...
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On October 28 2012 09:25 monkybone wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2012 09:11 Portvilla wrote:
Can't he just play LoL? Your phrasing resembles the elitist attitude Incontrol and Idra displayed to Destiny on Inside the Game. That does not work to solve the problem at all; it is just a low blow at a player for no particular reason When a person express himself as intensely negative about a certain activity, without being the slightest positive on the other hand, why is it out of line to ask why such a person is engaged in said activity?
Wow, did you ever live in a relationship?
People hate because they care. Otherwise they'd just do as you say, they'd just disappear.
Destiny hates the game because he cares, people who can't see that are people who just don't have much experience in life IMO.
Love can become a fertile ground for the emergence of hate. When the intensity and intimacy of love turns sour, hate may be generated. In these circumstances, hate serves as a channel of communication when other paths are blocked, and it functions to preserve the powerful closeness of the relationship, in which both connection and separation are impossible.
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Good topic, mostly agree.
I want to add that another part of why viewers have left is because the foreigners suck. Pretty much no foreigners has been able to put their foot down. The reasons don't matter, the outcome is failure.
This is not a big point but while casuals that don't play can still watch, without foreigners to root for that to do well you can't expect them to care and watch.
Personally I can't spend the time to practice to be competitive. If I only play once a while it quickly becomes very frustrating. Eventually I stopped trying. Months later I stopped following broadcasts and I was quickly fully disengaged from SC2.
If blizzard makes the effort they can fix everything and make it a good platform for casuals. From there it could grow again. Damage has been done and I'm not following it anymore.
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On October 28 2012 10:04 Glurkenspurk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2012 09:27 VanGarde wrote:On October 28 2012 09:11 Portvilla wrote:
Can't he just play LoL? Your phrasing resembles the elitist attitude Incontrol and Idra displayed to Destiny on Inside the Game. That does not work to solve the problem at all; it is just a low blow at a player for no particular reason Except he is actually just playing LoL. He has basically been only streaming LoL since he made his post. It is perplexing that not more people can see through the fac that this is just a huge marketing campaign. Destiny has clearly decided to switch to LoL since some time back, now he see's an opportunity to revitalize his following by starting up this whole thing. No one has provided any statistics that backs up any of the doomsday assumptions made by destiny. Until anyone provides actual data to support it, it should be ignored. http://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/122kop/whats_been_going_on_an_update/Why do people make up stupid conspiracy theories?
I am not sure, are you posting the fact that everything is going down precisely as I said, as evidence that my speculation is totally off? He makes a post declaring that the game is dead and gains a massive amount of attention from it, he also implicit LoL into the whole argument by using it as his example of a better game. Then a few days later he announces his switch to LoL. Call me cynical but it seems to me that this whole crusade to "save" sc2 was about a personal marketing campaign for his new LoL career.
In many ways Destiny is in the same place as Select, he is a mid level pro, stuck in place in a scene that just gets more and more competitive by the day. The logical thing if you are not making a solid living or having fun is to switch game to something that suits you better. If he had gone the select way and just announced that and switched I would had all the respect in the world for him. But to start this ridiculous crusade only to leave the game less than a week later? In that light, his posts does not appear as a heartfelt attempt to save the game but more as a rationalization for leaving it.
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Mostly agree idd. Played sc2 for.. 2 months and I was done with it and went back to bw and played other games when I wanted a change once in a while (quake for example).
Now I'm actually keeping my eye on dota, never played it before, but it definitely looks better than LoL and it looks harder than LoL, though I have no experience whatsoever with LoL nor dota.. So I guess it's kind of stupid for me to say this but yeah..
Giving SC2 another 2 years as a serious competitive game is harsh but.. I honestly can't see why I'd disagree with that.
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On October 28 2012 10:10 jexxto wrote:
I don't know if I should be impressed by Destiny or shocked by the community.
Picture this. A mediocre, barely "pro" SC2 personality, mostly known for racist comments, trying (?) to fuck a porn star and sending pictures of his tiny penis around the internet, posts an opinion based thread. The content is essentially "STARCRAFT IS FUCKED AND THERES NOTHING WE CAN DO". Mix in a self inflated sense of ego, pseduo intellectual arguements and a sprinkle of self righetousness.
Now, this player has posted no notable results in Starcraft 2, is famous less for his play and more for his appeal to angsty teens. Yet for some reason, there is overwhelming support and agreement about his ideas and opinions. No one has any factual evidence, merely circumstantial numbers and comparisons to other games.
If someone who actually had some kind weight behind their words came forth with this thread, presented it correctly with actual evidence and numbers that mean anything. perhaps then I could understand the community having such a sizeable contingent accepting it as gospel. However all we have here is TMZ styled sensationalism that makes as much sense as wearing wellies on your hands.
I don't know if I should be impressed by Destiny or shocked by the community...
I don't think you have to have notable results to be able to complain about this game, I also think you're a coward for taking cheap shots at destiny instead of just straight up bashing him.
I don't like the guy really, but damn If I was going to say something about him I'd message him, not do it passive aggressively like yourself "lol tiny penis".
None of what you said counters what destinys says by the way, its just "Waaa! I cant possibly understand why this immensely popular dude with a huge following has people backing him up!" (seriously?)
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Why hasn't this thread been closed? The content is toxic at best.
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On October 28 2012 10:37 BearG wrote:
Why hasn't this thread been closed? The content is toxic at best.
I don't even..
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On October 28 2012 10:33 PanN wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2012 10:10 jexxto wrote:
I don't know if I should be impressed by Destiny or shocked by the community.
Picture this. A mediocre, barely "pro" SC2 personality, mostly known for racist comments, trying (?) to fuck a porn star and sending pictures of his tiny penis around the internet, posts an opinion based thread. The content is essentially "STARCRAFT IS FUCKED AND THERES NOTHING WE CAN DO". Mix in a self inflated sense of ego, pseduo intellectual arguements and a sprinkle of self righetousness.
Now, this player has posted no notable results in Starcraft 2, is famous less for his play and more for his appeal to angsty teens. Yet for some reason, there is overwhelming support and agreement about his ideas and opinions. No one has any factual evidence, merely circumstantial numbers and comparisons to other games.
If someone who actually had some kind weight behind their words came forth with this thread, presented it correctly with actual evidence and numbers that mean anything. perhaps then I could understand the community having such a sizeable contingent accepting it as gospel. However all we have here is TMZ styled sensationalism that makes as much sense as wearing wellies on your hands.
I don't know if I should be impressed by Destiny or shocked by the community...
I don't think you have to have notable results to be able to complain about this game, I also think you're a coward for taking cheap shots at destiny instead of just straight up bashing him. I don't like the guy really, but damn If I was going to say something about him I'd message him, not do it passive aggressively like yourself "lol tiny penis". None of what you said counters what destinys says by the way, its just "Waaa! I cant possibly understand why this immensely popular dude with a huge following has people backing him up!" (seriously?)
Eh? I never said you need notable results to have an opinion. I was questioning why anyone would hold an opinion in such high regard from someone who lacks any notable results or actual top tier insight into the game, be it in terms of actually playing or the scene. He can have an opinion, that's not what I'm laughing at. What get's me is so many people are convinced by this.
I merely listed the things I know Destiny for, it's nto my fault he's made a name for himself through his antics rather than his gameplay.
I've no reason to message him privately to insult him, I've infact not insulted him. I've questioned why anyone would take the OP seriously based on the OP's accomplishments, qualifications and achievements in regards to StarCraft.
Anyone who's opinion is worth two shits has already countered everything said in his post. Infact the only pro's and scene folks that seem to agree fully with him are close friends / former team mates. Everyone else has either flat out shut this shit down, or agreed with some of the obvious shit that we've known about for years.
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On October 28 2012 10:10 jexxto wrote:
I don't know if I should be impressed by Destiny or shocked by the community.
Picture this. A mediocre, barely "pro" SC2 personality, mostly known for racist comments, trying (?) to fuck a porn star and sending pictures of his tiny penis around the internet, posts an opinion based thread. The content is essentially "STARCRAFT IS FUCKED AND THERES NOTHING WE CAN DO". Mix in a self inflated sense of ego, pseduo intellectual arguements and a sprinkle of self righetousness.
Now, this player has posted no notable results in Starcraft 2, is famous less for his play and more for his appeal to angsty teens. Yet for some reason, there is overwhelming support and agreement about his ideas and opinions. No one has any factual evidence, merely circumstantial numbers and comparisons to other games.
If someone who actually had some kind weight behind their words came forth with this thread, presented it correctly with actual evidence and numbers that mean anything. perhaps then I could understand the community having such a sizeable contingent accepting it as gospel. However all we have here is TMZ styled sensationalism that makes as much sense as wearing wellies on your hands.
I don't know if I should be impressed by Destiny or shocked by the community...
A mediocre, barely "pro" SC2 personality, mostly known for racist comments, trying (?) to fuck a porn star and sending pictures of his tiny penis around the internet,
Occupying GM hardly makes one mediocre, by most standards. Why we would apply the standards of the best of the best here, in which case one might get by naming a Grandmasters player as 'mediocre', I'm not sure. Nor is he mostly known for racist comments; he was established long before he made most his publicity with racial and homophobic slurs.
Objectively, one might also say his penis is not tiny, though one might call this not-so-relevant, though you seemingly do find his penis relevant, so the low of going into specifics might not be far away by the bar you have set. He also did not send these pictures around, he shared them with a choice woman, who then posted them on his twitter, and that is a story of its own. Nevertheless the lead two lines of your post are completely hyperbolic, unfounded and exaggerated.
I was questioning why anyone would hold an opinion in such high regard from someone who lacks any notable results or actual top tier insight into the game, be it in terms of actually playing or the scene.
I'm not sure how you could judge his insight into the 'scene', and I also don't see why his results dictate the worth of his opinion. I'd say his notability in the community outweighs yours; should I take your comments as nothing short of the foolish japery of an imbecile? I do not, or at least I do not yet.
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On October 28 2012 09:06 CT Legacy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2012 08:20 russman588 wrote:On October 28 2012 03:47 CursOr wrote:
The spike in Popularity of SC2 was about exactly as long as it takes the average person to discover the game, learn to play, discover how much work it takes, complain about it, and go back to First Person Shooters. Facts prove that this is about 70% of people who start to play the game.
IMHO the majority of people who WOULD be interested in Starcraft have already played it, gotten whooped up, and decided that it was too hard. Of course, these people who quit playing usually blame it on something else like, it's boring, it's repetitive, some shit about balance, or something about how much time it takes- all of which are complete BS but make fantastic excuses. Can you cite your source on the 70% stat? Thanks. Probably can't confirm it but I can tell you when SC2 exploded at MLG, at the time I was a Halo player/coach for a number of events. Everyone I knew was buying SC2, Halo/CoD pros just about all of them bought SC2 because of the excitement it had created. To this day Pro FPS players like Ryanoob, Walshy, OpticRambo to name a few have all hit Masters in SC2 and it snowballed into i'd say over 70% of the people I knew from FPS buying SC2. Since then, only very few still play it. Most have gone to LoL other back to FPS just as is stated in the post. So it might not be factually proven but from the ground level seeing how things went, he is exactly right with what he says.
That's a great story, but anecdotal evidence is still anecdotal evidence. If CursOr is going to say something like "Facts prove that this is about 70% of people who start to play the game." he needs to back it up or his entire post can just be looked at as a load of BS.
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Cant grow sc annymore, think destiny is at least partially right.
The game is to difficult and not fun enough to play (compared to fps)
Like someone else said, its like playing and practicing piano, only few people who have a special talent for it realy enjoy it and for manny of the others its a sort of profect wich gets annoying as soon as you stop making progress.
To bad because sc is awesome to watch, but with the main game dying i dont see a future for the pro tourneys and streams annymore.
Someone in this thread said he gave sc 2 more years and i think that already is quiet optimistic, if it wasnt for stephano it would be alot worse already.
The pro,s follow the monney and as soon as the monney is out they will switch to other games i think, though a verry loyal core of the fanbase will probably keep the game going as some niche.
Maybe blizz need completely redesign sc and make a sc III, though that will cost them a fortune and they probably not to eager to do that.
Its funny that bliz seems to have listend to him, or at least implemented a few of the things he mentioned with the new xp and lvl system.
As it is now i probably wont even buy hots though
Instead of looking at the reputation of the person who said something,People should look at the substance of the post itself, and try to completely forget about the posters reputation.
What he says makes alot of sense and should be a warning,regardless his motives or reputation .
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On October 28 2012 10:04 Glurkenspurk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2012 09:27 VanGarde wrote:On October 28 2012 09:11 Portvilla wrote:
Can't he just play LoL? Your phrasing resembles the elitist attitude Incontrol and Idra displayed to Destiny on Inside the Game. That does not work to solve the problem at all; it is just a low blow at a player for no particular reason Except he is actually just playing LoL. He has basically been only streaming LoL since he made his post. It is perplexing that not more people can see through the fac that this is just a huge marketing campaign. Destiny has clearly decided to switch to LoL since some time back, now he see's an opportunity to revitalize his following by starting up this whole thing. No one has provided any statistics that backs up any of the doomsday assumptions made by destiny. Until anyone provides actual data to support it, it should be ignored. http://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/122kop/whats_been_going_on_an_update/Why do people make up stupid conspiracy theories?
What conspiracy? Destiny isnt a pro that makes his money with sponsors or tournament wins or salaries. He needs his viewers and if his viewers were SC2 fans who have trouble following LoL then he needs a way to get them to migrate with him to LoL. Since he isnt stupid he knows he'll never be great at LoL but since he was never great at SC2 he will still generate the same 'personality/entertainment' fans and with 10x more viewers that should restore his income to what it was at his 'height'.
The rest of the post is just venting frustration at the fact that SC2 has less viewers than LoL, thus directly cutting into his pay check and possible more hidden frustration at never being able to quite make it as a legitimate pro and being eclipsed by people who became prominent in the scene almost 2 years after he did, like scarlet or vibe or suppy.
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On October 28 2012 10:56 marttorn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2012 10:10 jexxto wrote:
I don't know if I should be impressed by Destiny or shocked by the community.
Picture this. A mediocre, barely "pro" SC2 personality, mostly known for racist comments, trying (?) to fuck a porn star and sending pictures of his tiny penis around the internet, posts an opinion based thread. The content is essentially "STARCRAFT IS FUCKED AND THERES NOTHING WE CAN DO". Mix in a self inflated sense of ego, pseduo intellectual arguements and a sprinkle of self righetousness.
Now, this player has posted no notable results in Starcraft 2, is famous less for his play and more for his appeal to angsty teens. Yet for some reason, there is overwhelming support and agreement about his ideas and opinions. No one has any factual evidence, merely circumstantial numbers and comparisons to other games.
If someone who actually had some kind weight behind their words came forth with this thread, presented it correctly with actual evidence and numbers that mean anything. perhaps then I could understand the community having such a sizeable contingent accepting it as gospel. However all we have here is TMZ styled sensationalism that makes as much sense as wearing wellies on your hands.
I don't know if I should be impressed by Destiny or shocked by the community...
Show nested quote +A mediocre, barely "pro" SC2 personality, mostly known for racist comments, trying (?) to fuck a porn star and sending pictures of his tiny penis around the internet, Occupying GM hardly makes one mediocre, by most standards. Why we would apply the standards of the best of the best here, in which case one might get by naming a Grandmasters player as 'mediocre', I'm not sure. Nor is he mostly known for racist comments; he was established long before he made most his publicity with racial and homophobic slurs. Objectively, one might also say his penis is not tiny, though one might call this not-so-relevant, though you seemingly do find his penis relevant, so the low of going into specifics might not be far away by the bar you have set. He also did not send these pictures around, he shared them with a choice woman, who then posted them on his twitter, and that is a story of its own. Nevertheless the lead two lines of your post are completely hyperbolic, unfounded and exaggerated. Show nested quote +I was questioning why anyone would hold an opinion in such high regard from someone who lacks any notable results or actual top tier insight into the game, be it in terms of actually playing or the scene. I'm not sure how you could judge his insight into the 'scene', and I also don't see why his results dictate the worth of his opinion. I'd say his notability in the community outweighs yours; should I take your comments as nothing short of the foolish japery of an imbecile? I do not, or at least I do not yet.
I judge his insight into the scene on a few factors. First and most obvious is the original post. I guess we share something in common (no not the small penis  ) in that we've both in this thread posted content that is "completely hyperbolic, unfounded and exaggerated". Secondly yes, it may not be to your taste but I do value a players skill level or stature in the community when judging a post like the OP. If you are going to come and say something like this then you'd better have your finger on the pulse of tourneys, teams and sponsors and/or be an amazing player.
Again, I can only tell you what I know Destiny for. I heard of this "cool" player in beta, watched his stream, wasn't to my taste but didn't have any dislike for the guy. Over the last couple years the only time I've seen his name that I can recall is falling out of open bracket fairly early in some MLG. Being kicked out of a few teams. Trying to fuck a porn star on his stream, and pictures of his penis circulating. These are the things that I've seen of the guy be it here or on /r/starcraft. So when I am forming a judgement on how I should take his opinion post, I think of the things I know the guy for and wonder why I would take his post seriously.
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On October 28 2012 11:08 jexxto wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2012 10:56 marttorn wrote:On October 28 2012 10:10 jexxto wrote:
I don't know if I should be impressed by Destiny or shocked by the community.
Picture this. A mediocre, barely "pro" SC2 personality, mostly known for racist comments, trying (?) to fuck a porn star and sending pictures of his tiny penis around the internet, posts an opinion based thread. The content is essentially "STARCRAFT IS FUCKED AND THERES NOTHING WE CAN DO". Mix in a self inflated sense of ego, pseduo intellectual arguements and a sprinkle of self righetousness.
Now, this player has posted no notable results in Starcraft 2, is famous less for his play and more for his appeal to angsty teens. Yet for some reason, there is overwhelming support and agreement about his ideas and opinions. No one has any factual evidence, merely circumstantial numbers and comparisons to other games.
If someone who actually had some kind weight behind their words came forth with this thread, presented it correctly with actual evidence and numbers that mean anything. perhaps then I could understand the community having such a sizeable contingent accepting it as gospel. However all we have here is TMZ styled sensationalism that makes as much sense as wearing wellies on your hands.
I don't know if I should be impressed by Destiny or shocked by the community...
A mediocre, barely "pro" SC2 personality, mostly known for racist comments, trying (?) to fuck a porn star and sending pictures of his tiny penis around the internet, Occupying GM hardly makes one mediocre, by most standards. Why we would apply the standards of the best of the best here, in which case one might get by naming a Grandmasters player as 'mediocre', I'm not sure. Nor is he mostly known for racist comments; he was established long before he made most his publicity with racial and homophobic slurs. Objectively, one might also say his penis is not tiny, though one might call this not-so-relevant, though you seemingly do find his penis relevant, so the low of going into specifics might not be far away by the bar you have set. He also did not send these pictures around, he shared them with a choice woman, who then posted them on his twitter, and that is a story of its own. Nevertheless the lead two lines of your post are completely hyperbolic, unfounded and exaggerated. I was questioning why anyone would hold an opinion in such high regard from someone who lacks any notable results or actual top tier insight into the game, be it in terms of actually playing or the scene. I'm not sure how you could judge his insight into the 'scene', and I also don't see why his results dictate the worth of his opinion. I'd say his notability in the community outweighs yours; should I take your comments as nothing short of the foolish japery of an imbecile? I do not, or at least I do not yet. I judge his insight into the scene on a few factors. First and most obvious is the original post. I guess we share something in common (no not the small penis ) in that we've both in this thread posted content that is "completely hyperbolic, unfounded and exaggerated". Secondly yes, it may not be to your taste but I do value a players skill level or stature in the community when judging a post like the OP. If you are going to come and say something like this then you'd better have your finger on the pulse of tourneys, teams and sponsors and/or be an amazing player. Again, I can only tell you what I know Destiny for. I heard of this "cool" player in beta, watched his stream, wasn't to my taste but didn't have any dislike for the guy. Over the last couple years the only time I've seen his name that I can recall is falling out of open bracket fairly early in some MLG. Being kicked out of a few teams. Trying to fuck a porn star on his stream, and pictures of his penis circulating. These are the things that I've seen of the guy be it here or on /r/starcraft. So when I am forming a judgement on how I should take his opinion post, I think of the things I know the guy for and wonder why I would take his post seriously.
I was not questioning as to how you judged his insight into the scene; I was saying you had little to no business judging it in the first place. In what you just posted, you said "I judge his insight into the scene on a few factors". You listed one, and then the second point had nothing to do with his insight into the scene. Judging his insight into the scene based purely off of the OP, your first point, is not well enough, in my eyes.
To put it as such, you have no damned insight into his insight. It is, indeed, not to my taste that you judge a players' opinions' worth on their results, because it hardly makes any sense. If Destiny were speaking on the topic of game balance, his results and stature would be hugely important, yet he is not.
If you are going to come and say something like this then you'd better have your finger on the pulse of tourneys, teams and sponsors
^ How do you know he doesn't? You listed a single, woefully inadequate reason.
and/or be an amazing player.
^ If MVP found the practice of bloodletting to be a wonderful thing, would I consider his opinion on the matter to be of much worth? No, because that is not where his expertise lies. Similarly, Destiny's expertise as a player of Starcraft 2 is nearly irrelevant in regards to discussing the scene and the business of Starcraft 2.
Again, I can only tell you what I know Destiny for. I heard of this "cool" player in beta, watched his stream, wasn't to my taste but didn't have any dislike for the guy. Over the last couple years the only time I've seen his name that I can recall is falling out of open bracket fairly early in some MLG. Being kicked out of a few teams. Trying to fuck a porn star on his stream, and pictures of his penis circulating. These are the things that I've seen of the guy be it here or on /r/starcraft. So when I am forming a judgement on how I should take his opinion post, I think of the things I know the guy for and wonder why I would take his post seriously.
Then your view of him is incomplete and flawed, and that is your own fault, and what you heard and saw of him is not what everyone else saw.
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On October 28 2012 11:23 marttorn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2012 11:08 jexxto wrote:On October 28 2012 10:56 marttorn wrote:On October 28 2012 10:10 jexxto wrote:
I don't know if I should be impressed by Destiny or shocked by the community.
Picture this. A mediocre, barely "pro" SC2 personality, mostly known for racist comments, trying (?) to fuck a porn star and sending pictures of his tiny penis around the internet, posts an opinion based thread. The content is essentially "STARCRAFT IS FUCKED AND THERES NOTHING WE CAN DO". Mix in a self inflated sense of ego, pseduo intellectual arguements and a sprinkle of self righetousness.
Now, this player has posted no notable results in Starcraft 2, is famous less for his play and more for his appeal to angsty teens. Yet for some reason, there is overwhelming support and agreement about his ideas and opinions. No one has any factual evidence, merely circumstantial numbers and comparisons to other games.
If someone who actually had some kind weight behind their words came forth with this thread, presented it correctly with actual evidence and numbers that mean anything. perhaps then I could understand the community having such a sizeable contingent accepting it as gospel. However all we have here is TMZ styled sensationalism that makes as much sense as wearing wellies on your hands.
I don't know if I should be impressed by Destiny or shocked by the community...
A mediocre, barely "pro" SC2 personality, mostly known for racist comments, trying (?) to fuck a porn star and sending pictures of his tiny penis around the internet, Occupying GM hardly makes one mediocre, by most standards. Why we would apply the standards of the best of the best here, in which case one might get by naming a Grandmasters player as 'mediocre', I'm not sure. Nor is he mostly known for racist comments; he was established long before he made most his publicity with racial and homophobic slurs. Objectively, one might also say his penis is not tiny, though one might call this not-so-relevant, though you seemingly do find his penis relevant, so the low of going into specifics might not be far away by the bar you have set. He also did not send these pictures around, he shared them with a choice woman, who then posted them on his twitter, and that is a story of its own. Nevertheless the lead two lines of your post are completely hyperbolic, unfounded and exaggerated. I was questioning why anyone would hold an opinion in such high regard from someone who lacks any notable results or actual top tier insight into the game, be it in terms of actually playing or the scene. I'm not sure how you could judge his insight into the 'scene', and I also don't see why his results dictate the worth of his opinion. I'd say his notability in the community outweighs yours; should I take your comments as nothing short of the foolish japery of an imbecile? I do not, or at least I do not yet. I judge his insight into the scene on a few factors. First and most obvious is the original post. I guess we share something in common (no not the small penis ) in that we've both in this thread posted content that is "completely hyperbolic, unfounded and exaggerated". Secondly yes, it may not be to your taste but I do value a players skill level or stature in the community when judging a post like the OP. If you are going to come and say something like this then you'd better have your finger on the pulse of tourneys, teams and sponsors and/or be an amazing player. Again, I can only tell you what I know Destiny for. I heard of this "cool" player in beta, watched his stream, wasn't to my taste but didn't have any dislike for the guy. Over the last couple years the only time I've seen his name that I can recall is falling out of open bracket fairly early in some MLG. Being kicked out of a few teams. Trying to fuck a porn star on his stream, and pictures of his penis circulating. These are the things that I've seen of the guy be it here or on /r/starcraft. So when I am forming a judgement on how I should take his opinion post, I think of the things I know the guy for and wonder why I would take his post seriously. I was not questioning as to how you judged his insight into the scene; I was saying you had little to no business judging it in the first place. In what you just posted, you said "I judge his insight into the scene on a few factors". You listed one, and then the second point had nothing to do with his insight into the scene. Judging his insight into the scene based purely off of the OP, your first point, is not well enough, in my eyes. To put it as such, you have no damned insight into his insight. It is, indeed, not to my taste that you judge a players' opinions' worth on their results, because it hardly makes any sense. If Destiny were speaking on the topic of game balance, his results and stature would be hugely important, yet he is not. Show nested quote +If you are going to come and say something like this then you'd better have your finger on the pulse of tourneys, teams and sponsors ^ How do you know he doesn't? You listed a single, woefully inadequate reason. ^ If MVP found the practice of bloodletting to be a wonderful thing, would I consider his opinion on the matter to be of much worth? No, because that is not where his expertise lies. Similarly, Destiny's expertise as a player of Starcraft 2 is nearly irrelevant in regards to discussing the scene and the business of Starcraft 2. Show nested quote +Again, I can only tell you what I know Destiny for. I heard of this "cool" player in beta, watched his stream, wasn't to my taste but didn't have any dislike for the guy. Over the last couple years the only time I've seen his name that I can recall is falling out of open bracket fairly early in some MLG. Being kicked out of a few teams. Trying to fuck a porn star on his stream, and pictures of his penis circulating. These are the things that I've seen of the guy be it here or on /r/starcraft. So when I am forming a judgement on how I should take his opinion post, I think of the things I know the guy for and wonder why I would take his post seriously. Then your view of him is incomplete and flawed, and that is your own fault, and what you heard and saw of him is not what everyone else saw.
So I take it you agree with what he has posted? I can't work out if you are white knighting, being pedantic or genuinely believe in the drivel that was posted in the OP. Either way I respect your opinion and have no qualms with you belittling mine. Cheerio o/
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On October 28 2012 11:32 jexxto wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2012 11:23 marttorn wrote:On October 28 2012 11:08 jexxto wrote:On October 28 2012 10:56 marttorn wrote:On October 28 2012 10:10 jexxto wrote:
I don't know if I should be impressed by Destiny or shocked by the community.
Picture this. A mediocre, barely "pro" SC2 personality, mostly known for racist comments, trying (?) to fuck a porn star and sending pictures of his tiny penis around the internet, posts an opinion based thread. The content is essentially "STARCRAFT IS FUCKED AND THERES NOTHING WE CAN DO". Mix in a self inflated sense of ego, pseduo intellectual arguements and a sprinkle of self righetousness.
Now, this player has posted no notable results in Starcraft 2, is famous less for his play and more for his appeal to angsty teens. Yet for some reason, there is overwhelming support and agreement about his ideas and opinions. No one has any factual evidence, merely circumstantial numbers and comparisons to other games.
If someone who actually had some kind weight behind their words came forth with this thread, presented it correctly with actual evidence and numbers that mean anything. perhaps then I could understand the community having such a sizeable contingent accepting it as gospel. However all we have here is TMZ styled sensationalism that makes as much sense as wearing wellies on your hands.
I don't know if I should be impressed by Destiny or shocked by the community...
A mediocre, barely "pro" SC2 personality, mostly known for racist comments, trying (?) to fuck a porn star and sending pictures of his tiny penis around the internet, Occupying GM hardly makes one mediocre, by most standards. Why we would apply the standards of the best of the best here, in which case one might get by naming a Grandmasters player as 'mediocre', I'm not sure. Nor is he mostly known for racist comments; he was established long before he made most his publicity with racial and homophobic slurs. Objectively, one might also say his penis is not tiny, though one might call this not-so-relevant, though you seemingly do find his penis relevant, so the low of going into specifics might not be far away by the bar you have set. He also did not send these pictures around, he shared them with a choice woman, who then posted them on his twitter, and that is a story of its own. Nevertheless the lead two lines of your post are completely hyperbolic, unfounded and exaggerated. I was questioning why anyone would hold an opinion in such high regard from someone who lacks any notable results or actual top tier insight into the game, be it in terms of actually playing or the scene. I'm not sure how you could judge his insight into the 'scene', and I also don't see why his results dictate the worth of his opinion. I'd say his notability in the community outweighs yours; should I take your comments as nothing short of the foolish japery of an imbecile? I do not, or at least I do not yet. I judge his insight into the scene on a few factors. First and most obvious is the original post. I guess we share something in common (no not the small penis ) in that we've both in this thread posted content that is "completely hyperbolic, unfounded and exaggerated". Secondly yes, it may not be to your taste but I do value a players skill level or stature in the community when judging a post like the OP. If you are going to come and say something like this then you'd better have your finger on the pulse of tourneys, teams and sponsors and/or be an amazing player. Again, I can only tell you what I know Destiny for. I heard of this "cool" player in beta, watched his stream, wasn't to my taste but didn't have any dislike for the guy. Over the last couple years the only time I've seen his name that I can recall is falling out of open bracket fairly early in some MLG. Being kicked out of a few teams. Trying to fuck a porn star on his stream, and pictures of his penis circulating. These are the things that I've seen of the guy be it here or on /r/starcraft. So when I am forming a judgement on how I should take his opinion post, I think of the things I know the guy for and wonder why I would take his post seriously. I was not questioning as to how you judged his insight into the scene; I was saying you had little to no business judging it in the first place. In what you just posted, you said "I judge his insight into the scene on a few factors". You listed one, and then the second point had nothing to do with his insight into the scene. Judging his insight into the scene based purely off of the OP, your first point, is not well enough, in my eyes. To put it as such, you have no damned insight into his insight. It is, indeed, not to my taste that you judge a players' opinions' worth on their results, because it hardly makes any sense. If Destiny were speaking on the topic of game balance, his results and stature would be hugely important, yet he is not. If you are going to come and say something like this then you'd better have your finger on the pulse of tourneys, teams and sponsors ^ How do you know he doesn't? You listed a single, woefully inadequate reason. and/or be an amazing player. ^ If MVP found the practice of bloodletting to be a wonderful thing, would I consider his opinion on the matter to be of much worth? No, because that is not where his expertise lies. Similarly, Destiny's expertise as a player of Starcraft 2 is nearly irrelevant in regards to discussing the scene and the business of Starcraft 2. Again, I can only tell you what I know Destiny for. I heard of this "cool" player in beta, watched his stream, wasn't to my taste but didn't have any dislike for the guy. Over the last couple years the only time I've seen his name that I can recall is falling out of open bracket fairly early in some MLG. Being kicked out of a few teams. Trying to fuck a porn star on his stream, and pictures of his penis circulating. These are the things that I've seen of the guy be it here or on /r/starcraft. So when I am forming a judgement on how I should take his opinion post, I think of the things I know the guy for and wonder why I would take his post seriously. Then your view of him is incomplete and flawed, and that is your own fault, and what you heard and saw of him is not what everyone else saw. So I take it you agree with what he has posted? I can't work out if you are white knighting, being pedantic or genuinely believe in the drivel that was posted in the OP. Either way I respect your opinion and have no qualms with you belittling mine. Cheerio o/
I admit I've not much of an inkling as to how you take that from what I say. I can hardly remember most of what he said in the OP, and what I've been talking about has had not a damned thing to do with his views and opinions which were expressed in the OP.
I am not white knighting; I've never cared for destiny and I never will, he's at best a leech.
I am not being pedantic; Call it defending him if you will, but I'm more so attacking what I found to be a silly post of yours.
And I do not believe in the 'drivel' he posted; Even as I read it for the first time I don't recall agreeing with most of it.
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On October 28 2012 10:54 jexxto wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2012 10:33 PanN wrote:On October 28 2012 10:10 jexxto wrote:
I don't know if I should be impressed by Destiny or shocked by the community.
Picture this. A mediocre, barely "pro" SC2 personality, mostly known for racist comments, trying (?) to fuck a porn star and sending pictures of his tiny penis around the internet, posts an opinion based thread. The content is essentially "STARCRAFT IS FUCKED AND THERES NOTHING WE CAN DO". Mix in a self inflated sense of ego, pseduo intellectual arguements and a sprinkle of self righetousness.
Now, this player has posted no notable results in Starcraft 2, is famous less for his play and more for his appeal to angsty teens. Yet for some reason, there is overwhelming support and agreement about his ideas and opinions. No one has any factual evidence, merely circumstantial numbers and comparisons to other games.
If someone who actually had some kind weight behind their words came forth with this thread, presented it correctly with actual evidence and numbers that mean anything. perhaps then I could understand the community having such a sizeable contingent accepting it as gospel. However all we have here is TMZ styled sensationalism that makes as much sense as wearing wellies on your hands.
I don't know if I should be impressed by Destiny or shocked by the community...
I don't think you have to have notable results to be able to complain about this game, I also think you're a coward for taking cheap shots at destiny instead of just straight up bashing him. I don't like the guy really, but damn If I was going to say something about him I'd message him, not do it passive aggressively like yourself "lol tiny penis". None of what you said counters what destinys says by the way, its just "Waaa! I cant possibly understand why this immensely popular dude with a huge following has people backing him up!" (seriously?) Eh? I never said you need notable results to have an opinion. I was questioning why anyone would hold an opinion in such high regard from someone who lacks any notable results or actual top tier insight into the game, be it in terms of actually playing or the scene. He can have an opinion, that's not what I'm laughing at. What get's me is so many people are convinced by this.
I wouldn't say they're "convinced by him", I think it's more a case of people realizing "hey, I've been feeling the same way about the game for a long time now". There's a plethora of threads and blogs with similar opinions dating back to last year.
"Having notable results" holds absolutely no weight in regards to this topic. In fact, it could even be detrimental, as progamers - or people who do have "notable results" and "top tier insight" - also tend to have a very skewed perspective on Starcraft 2 as a video game, and are not really representative of the game's playerbase as a whole.
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