EPTDestiny on where he thinks SC2 is heading. - Page 71
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VanGarde
Sweden755 Posts
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SilSol
Sweden2744 Posts
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iAmiAnC
United Kingdom317 Posts
On October 21 2012 02:42 VanGarde wrote: 24~k viewers on dreamhack over five streams while multiple other events going on at the same time and most people chose to watch gsl finals this morning instead. Meanwhile LoL at the same event is being casted with casting in romanian to 700 viewers. This is the death of sc2 as we know it! And 20472 people watching TSM TheOddOne | ||
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VanGarde
Sweden755 Posts
It it not about having the MOST viewers, it is about having enough. Good for TSM TheOddOne. You can't possibly think that 24k viewers with all of those surrounding factors is bad. Ofcourse if you are an inherent pessimist and can only live life by always comparing with something that has more then you will never be happy. But these are really good numbers, more than enough to signify a healthy sc2 community. The only part that is not healthy is all of the kneejerk panic people posting on TL. | ||
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StatixEx
United Kingdom779 Posts
as far as it goes for me sc2 . . i hit f2, make sure 1v1 is selected and zerg (christ double check zerg is selected, i love that spawning as terran thing!! and like wtf games spazzed out!) then just play. Does it really matter if you win or lose? ill argue till im dead that noone cares what rank you are. if ur not better than the other guy you just played . . dont worry about it so much. No good tryin to be no1, there will always be a million people better than you! | ||
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Footler
United States560 Posts
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VanGarde
Sweden755 Posts
On October 21 2012 03:14 Footler wrote: I don't really think it can be saved even if all these things happened. Why? Because there is a new generation of gamers and the game/genre they picked is Lol/moba. The seed for this growth was planted in war3 with the dota ums. Sc2 is honestly a great game as is but can definitely be improved upon but the reality is that no amount of changes to the game will pull people from their game/genre of choice. The fact that people are this stupid is the only thing that could possibly drive me away from sc2, the community itself... | ||
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FinBenton
Finland870 Posts
On October 21 2012 02:45 SilSol wrote: Yeah the viewers count is so low atm for sc2. We need it to be a lot higher than it is. Unhyped tournament with bad (non code s) players in european times when theres a lot more quality content at the same time? I think this has a plenty of viewers. | ||
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VanGarde
Sweden755 Posts
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YODA_
593 Posts
Lag out? How about we load the game from the exact same spot? Casters while spectating in-game? HELL YES. Don't like missing the action due to Tobi watching creeps while ganks happen on the other side of the map? PUT THAT FARKING CAMERA ON AUTO-DIRECT AND MISS NOTHING. Imbalance? How about we take a shot and completely throw the entire meta-game out the window and try some new stuff, OMNI PUDGE NEW METAGAME. Something to work for? ITEMS, HATS, KEYS, CHESTS, COURIERS. I received a farking stump for a courier yesterday and just about shouted out loud. HOLY FARK I HAVE A FARKING CUSTOM COURIER!!! Just watched the vice-presidential debates and need some lulz? How about I put my name as MALARKEY, put my icon to be Joe Biden, and play zeus.....FOR THE LULZ. Because fark yes, Dota 2 is awesome and fun. | ||
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Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
To make esport an esport, it must be fun to watch, right? Blizzard says that themself, it must be fun to watch. They made SC2 to be fun to watch but they failed in very many ways. First of all, multiplie selection of units/buildings DOESNT matter in the long run, who the fuck cares if a player can select many units or buildings. What is fun to see tho, and not just in RTS game, is skillful play, be it micro, macro, strategy, decision making. You name it. To make a person watch something in the long run, it needs to have a deep and be entertaining. What blizzard did GAMEPLAY wise was making it very very simple. Which worked, iam guessing now the first months of SC2, right? Cuz it was all new game. But as i said earlier, in the long run it needs a deep. Which SC2 is lacking This is the main factor | ||
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thezanursic
5497 Posts
On October 17 2012 14:09 ROOTCatZ wrote: we could start a thing, lets all tweet at @BlizzardCS @Starcraft #SaveHOTS + Idea, i'll go first CatZ @ROOTCatZ @BlizzardCS @StarCraft #SaveHOTS make it a new game please, multiplayer is shaping up to be a -bad- Wol patch. what'd u tweet at them? lets get creative! THIS | ||
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VanGarde
Sweden755 Posts
On October 21 2012 03:34 YODA_ wrote: I'm sure this has been brought up before, but if you want an example of an amazing, well supported game, that is tons of fun for casuals, even without "help" in the form of easier/funner game modes, look no further than Dota 2. It's system, developer support, marketing, fun factor, etc is just so far above SC2 atm that it makes it hard to even watch SC2 any more, and I loved watching SC2, but could never even enjoy playing it. All subjective still though. I personally can't stand dota2. I play LoL and Sc2 and I have tried to play dota and I just don't feel it nor can I stand watching it competitively. I can watch competitive LoL but only the very very top games and I never have the energy to watch more than one game in a row. Sc2 though I can watch for hours upon hours. It's all subjective. | ||
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Sadist
United States7290 Posts
Or hey, maybe I want to switch races and not buy a new account. What a novel thought. | ||
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blug
Australia623 Posts
On October 21 2012 03:47 Sadist wrote: the problem for the casual IMO is the ladder is attrocious. I want a proper custom game system that lets me practice specific matchups/maps vs people of a certain calibre. That isn't possible with the horrible custom melee games we have now and is a huge downfall. All I do now is blindly ladder and leave most TvT games I join because I want to play tvz and tvp for practice and because they are more fun (tvt is my best MU and the one i would argue I understand the most so I would like to be able to get my TvZ and TvP up to that level, not just inflate my stats by winning tvt's and then get crushed in TvZ and TvP. Or hey, maybe I want to switch races and not buy a new account. What a novel thought. I'll agree that customs need a bit of rework, but honestly what is wrong with the ladder at lower levels (When I say lower levels I mean anything under a pro level). I am personally low masters, I worked my way up from bronze league when the game first came out and I feel I am always matched against an opponent that is close to my skill level... What is wrong with that? You can't blame Blizzard because you are getting matched up against Terran every now and then, and if you are getting matched up all the time then you are just unlucky. The race distribution all around is pretty even on NA at lower levels, I found when I was in bronze I would be matched up against every race. At Masters it's not much different. | ||
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VanGarde
Sweden755 Posts
On October 21 2012 03:47 Sadist wrote: the problem for the casual IMO is the ladder is attrocious. I want a proper custom game system that lets me practice specific matchups/maps vs people of a certain calibre. That isn't possible with the horrible custom melee games we have now and is a huge downfall. All I do now is blindly ladder and leave most TvT games I join because I want to play tvz and tvp for practice and because they are more fun (tvt is my best MU and the one i would argue I understand the most so I would like to be able to get my TvZ and TvP up to that level, not just inflate my stats by winning tvt's and then get crushed in TvZ and TvP. Or hey, maybe I want to switch races and not buy a new account. What a novel thought. The sc2 ladder is probably the most refined ladder out of all competitive games atm. Some things could make it better for "casuals" which I think mostly is being addressed by the non ranked matchmaking in hots. The other issues you bring up I don't think are solvable in any game. I mean if you want to practice against people of your own skill bit in custom because you only want to practice one match-up that is not something the game itself can provide you with, you have to find practice partners yourself by asking people you play on the ladder or ask in chat channels. I don't think Blizzard could do much to the custom system to solve this, one thing they could do though is to add a practice partner finder that works like the matchmaking system in that you enter which race you are looking for and the game will put you on a search thingy that will find someone else of the same mmr who is looking for a practice partner of your race. Then when the game finds one you get a notification and an option to add this player to friends. | ||
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Footler
United States560 Posts
On October 21 2012 03:16 VanGarde wrote: The fact that people are this stupid is the only thing that could possibly drive me away from sc2, the community itself... Ya a community that resorts to brainless bashing is definitely a cause for driving people away. | ||
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SilSol
Sweden2744 Posts
On October 21 2012 03:19 FinBenton wrote: Unhyped tournament with bad (non code s) players in european times when theres a lot more quality content at the same time? I think this has a plenty of viewers. Not as high as it should be. Big events toping like 60k viewers when other games has over half a million viewers. It's just a big difference. | ||
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Sadist
United States7290 Posts
On October 21 2012 04:14 blug wrote: I'll agree that customs need a bit of rework, but honestly what is wrong with the ladder at lower levels (When I say lower levels I mean anything under a pro level). I am personally low masters, I worked my way up from bronze league when the game first came out and I feel I am always matched against an opponent that is close to my skill level... What is wrong with that? You can't blame Blizzard because you are getting matched up against Terran every now and then, and if you are getting matched up all the time then you are just unlucky. The race distribution all around is pretty even on NA at lower levels, I found when I was in bronze I would be matched up against every race. At Masters it's not much different. I am not blaming blizzard that I am getting matched against terran. I am blaming them for not having a custom game system that works like their ladder, except you get to input what you want and then blizzard matches you to an opponent looking for the same thing. We did it ourselves on iccup and wgt, why can't blizzard do something like that automatically? Say I want to play TvP @ midmasters level or even just a generic masters level, blizzard pairs me up with someone looking for the same thing (if say, picking a particular map becomes too specific). Or how about let people go back to creating games with titles so you know what you are joining ie (1:1 Masters TVP ME T ON XXXXX) so people know what they are joining (and it should let you boot them). None of this is rocket science and if this is inherently impossible in their terrible bnet design then shame on them for giving us this fail of a bnet when the original one was far superior. My only practice now is ladder and its not really practice at all. Ladder is there for you to bring out refined builds against a wide variety of opponents (good for practicing for a tournament, not good for practicing specific matchups and improving your game overall). Basically bnet is shit and blizzard is dense. | ||
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Goldfish
2230 Posts
I agree. I said this before but the (traditional) RTS genre is dying. Catering to the casuals won't do anything. They'd just swarm to a different more fun game. If I had a choice of playing WarCraft III vs Dota, which would I pick? Dota. And the masses agreed. WC3 is a lot more casual "focused" than SC2 is. 4v4s were actually fun in WC3 because you used heroes and leveled them up (and also it wasn't a death ball into 5 seconds of some side getting destroyed instantly like SC2 is). WC3 had way more custom game focus than even BW did (of course, most of them ended up being Dota). WC3 had a lot of stuff Destiny talks about but yet it didn't really catch on and it sort of failed (or at least, WC3 didn't even put a dent into the BW scene). If WC3 couldn't do it, then SC2 probably can't either. BW thrived because it had little competition at the time (MMOs weren't mainstream back then, shooters like C.S. were for for only those with really good computers, there was no dota, etc). RTS genre in general is dying. It needs a revamp. Dota works in sort like a card game similar to magic the gathering - The game changes constantly and new stuff (heroes) is added regularly. Should that be done for SC2 too? Should players have the option of picking maybe 30 out of 150+ units (per race) which all have different abilities and crazy stuff? Yes, this will destroy SC2 balance (to an extent) but it works for Dota (eventually only the better units, items, or heroes are used in comp but in pubs, most of the items or heroes are viable). On October 18 2012 19:22 Assirra wrote: My bet its wow, only the biggest MMO ever (altough it went to the drain with cata) Actually most people have received mists of pandaria really well (better than cata). I remember reading the WoW forums and reading a bajillion praises towards MoP (after the huge skepticism before it). | ||
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