EPTI sometimes think that the only reason SC2 is still afloat is because, for those of us with a love of RTS genre, its the only thing out there. Nobody is really making an effort on the front to deliver a strong RTS title at this point, so we're kinda stuck here. Maybe someone will step up to the plate in the future, maybe not.
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tribulator
774 Posts
I sometimes think that the only reason SC2 is still afloat is because, for those of us with a love of RTS genre, its the only thing out there. Nobody is really making an effort on the front to deliver a strong RTS title at this point, so we're kinda stuck here. Maybe someone will step up to the plate in the future, maybe not. | ||
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IpKaiFung
United Kingdom91 Posts
On October 18 2012 15:48 tribulator wrote: I sometimes think that the only reason SC2 is still afloat is because, for those of us with a love of RTS genre, its the only thing out there. Nobody is really making an effort on the front to deliver a strong RTS title at this point, so we're kinda stuck here. Maybe someone will step up to the plate in the future, maybe not. There are other RTS games to play, the competitive communities aren't as big and the prize pools are no where near the size of SC2s however you may find those games more enjoyable than SC2. I've been having fun with Company of Heroes since it was released, I've also been running a lot of tournaments and show matches for the game. With CoH2 on the horizon I hope that the scene will be leveled up a bit more than it currently is because having a new game can just refresh a community. | ||
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the p00n
Netherlands615 Posts
On October 18 2012 15:43 StickyIcky wrote: This "lala-land with pink unicorns and rainbows" you refer to is otherwise known as reality. Kids who call strangers "noobs" and "faggots" in the real world don't do so well. I'm not sure about you but if someone fucks me over in real life I call them a faggot too, and your metaphor is fucking awful because the police doesn't immediately show up to punish me. The LoL community is awful and this is partly due to the poor management of reports and punishments (i.e. time bans). I have been playing Blizzard games (diablo 2, WoW, sc2, diablo 3), C&C games (played soooo much RA2 online) and microsoft games (AoE, AoM:TT) for many, many, many, many years now and not ONCE have I been punished for calling people online faggots, retards, noobs, awful players and so forth. I have been playing LoL for a little less than a year and I have had 8 or 9 temporary bans - mhmmmm? | ||
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slytown
Korea (South)1411 Posts
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BoxingKangaroo
Japan955 Posts
On October 18 2012 16:08 the p00n wrote: I'm not sure about you but if someone fucks me over in real life I call them a faggot too, and your metaphor is fucking awful because the police doesn't immediately show up to punish me. The LoL community is awful and this is partly due to the poor management of reports and punishments (i.e. time bans). I have been playing Blizzard games (diablo 2, WoW, sc2, diablo 3), C&C games (played soooo much RA2 online) and microsoft games (AoE, AoM:TT) for many, many, many, many years now and not ONCE have I been punished for calling people online faggots, retards, noobs, awful players and so forth. I have been playing LoL for a little less than a year and I have had 8 or 9 temporary bans - mhmmmm? You sir are priceless. No doubt your bans were deserved. Do me a favour, bookmark your post and read it again in 5 years. It'll be hilarious trust me. | ||
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StickyIcky
United States192 Posts
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
Golden Knight RPG, Diplomacy, Risk, Crash, Digimon, X-Men, Naruto:Beginnings, Resident Evil, LOTR, Harry Potter, Evangelion, the Anime Tower game with Hiei, Heroes Path (or w/e it was called, the one you lifted the Engineering bay to get extra mins), list goes on... I remember playing those games so much more than iCCUP towards the end there. Good times... | ||
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Doc Daneeka
United States577 Posts
long term health of the scene, i dunno, he's probably got a lot of good points there. it's probably not gonna have the kind of legacy brood war did, but then BW was kinda lightning in a bottle. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4461 Posts
On October 17 2012 23:25 HerrHorst wrote: My point of view seems to be a minority but i really like Starcraft 2 and i think it's not the game design that causes the problems. I think there are 3 main reasons: 1. The RTS-Genre is dead. Look at the past few years and besides Starcraft 2 and Total War there are no more Strategy-Games. At the moment FPS-Games like CoD are the big hit because... 2. The PC is dying. If you look at it the consoles, they have become more and more popular. Look at Call of Duty: 6,5 Million Games sold and only 4% of them for the PC. Its obvious that RTS-Games like Sc2 can't work with a gamepad which limit their succes. 3. The popularity of every regular game decreases over time. Look at Broodwar it was nearly dead in EU/NA after the release of Warcraft 3 and even before most of the people started to play other games. Only a small percentage of the players only focus on one game for years. So for me Blizzard has done a little miracle with Starcraft 2, they made a succesful game in a dying genre on a dying plattform. (I am sorry for my lack of english skills) This is incorrect - it is consoles that are dying while PC is experiencing a renaissance.Look at the current console cycle - most cycles last for 4-5 years but xbox360 for example came out wayyyyyyy back in 2005! The reason this cycle has dragged out so long is that manufacturers are worried to release new consoles because mobile gaming - phones & tablets - have taken away so much market share from traditional consoles.Casual gamers initially flocked to the Wii but these consumers proved fickle as they later switched to mobile platforms or dropped gaming altogether. | ||
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bokeevboke
Singapore1674 Posts
On October 18 2012 15:02 YaShock wrote: I really don't understand why he got banned, I agree with every word he said. That's not bullshit, it's not stupid flaming or trolling, that's the truth Whilst his post was semi-bad (calling someone a faggot), and don't deserve permaban. I assume that his short posting history was horrible. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On October 18 2012 17:38 bokeevboke wrote: Whilst his post was semi-bad (calling someone a faggot), and don't deserve permaban. I assume that his short posting history was horrible. To add to that, this is just the current "wave", "hotstreak" or weekly/monthly hot topic on TL.Net for the moment and it will go away, then no one will give a damn anymore. Same with every other drama that happens, people keeps it "alive" by talking about it in a thread but once the thread dies and people moves on to another hot topic the problem vanishes as well. The Mods are just trying to control it until it stabilizes and finally goes away. | ||
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bokeevboke
Singapore1674 Posts
Whenever Browder talked about how SC2 is new and different from BW, I always wondered why he was so determined SC2 should be different game. Now I know. Its his ego. I don't mean its Browder's fault, he deserves to be a game designer in his own way. Someone in the head of Blizzard messed up by putting him on sc2 project. But still, I'm astonished. I always thought that Browder did the original sc. Where are the original designers of sc bw? | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10167 Posts
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Elvin
149 Posts
On October 18 2012 18:21 bokeevboke wrote: But still, I'm astonished. I always thought that Browder did the original sc. Where are the original designers of sc bw? Original designers are long gone. It's been a few years. It's sad that Blizzard had to make 3 shitty games before people realized that (And he will make more). Starcraft 2 was rotten in it's core in the beginning. Blizzard ignored those problems and now they just sow what they reaped. R.I.P SC2 2010-2012. It was a good run. | ||
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YaShock
Hungary119 Posts
On October 18 2012 18:39 Elvin wrote: Original designers are long gone. It's been a few years. It's sad that Blizzard had to make 3 shitty games before people realized that (And he will make more). Starcraft 2 was rotten in it's core in the beginning. Blizzard ignored those problems and now they just sow what they reaped. R.I.P SC2 2010-2012. It was a good run. Agreed, Blizard just ingored every problem that was mentioned by public, but people also get banned for telling these facts, and every second thread about sc2's problem is being shut down, if you make people silent and accept only positive critics how the hell do you want to evolve this game in the right direction | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On October 18 2012 18:39 Elvin wrote: Original designers are long gone. It's been a few years. It's sad that Blizzard had to make 3 shitty games before people realized that (And he will make more). Starcraft 2 was rotten in it's core in the beginning. Blizzard ignored those problems and now they just sow what they reaped. R.I.P SC2 2010-2012. It was a good run. a bit early for the RIP don't ya think. SC2 will survive at least till a year or so after Legacy of the Void. | ||
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YaShock
Hungary119 Posts
On October 18 2012 18:47 Assirra wrote: a bit early for the RIP don't ya think. SC2 will survive at least till a year or so after Legacy of the Void. sc2 won't make it till LofV, it's losing its popularity like crazy in amataur and pro area | ||
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Cuce
Turkey1127 Posts
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bLah.
Croatia497 Posts
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Goldfish
2230 Posts
The problem with that it's not SC2, it's the RTS genre. DotA and LoL are more casual friendly games and is easier to get into, easier to play, and has a lot more variety. RTS genre is general is dying (well not dying but it's probably not going to be top 1 competitive game genre these days anymore, sadly). BW thrived because it had little competition (there wasn't Dota or LoL or MMOs back then). Also about the topic of making SC2 easier to get into or so. I'd argue that's nearly impossible (with competition that is) without changing the genre itself. Warcraft III is arguably easier to get into, more casual, and more fun to play casually than SC2 but yet it died off (to guess what, Dota) really just after 2 years or so after The Frozen Throne was released. | ||
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