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Agnosthar
Profile Joined August 2010
631 Posts
October 17 2012 18:03 GMT
#841
When I first got into Starcraft II, we all thought it was going to be the premier e-sport.

Now though, it's pretty sad to see the state of Starcraft in comparison to other e-sport titles. I firmly believe that without drastic action, Starcraft will soon be a fringe title.
phodacbiet
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1740 Posts
October 17 2012 18:06 GMT
#842
Esport WILL succeed, just not with Starcraft, and blizzard has made damn sure of that with the way things are being run.
FinalForm
Profile Joined August 2010
United States450 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-17 18:10:37
October 17 2012 18:07 GMT
#843
It's cause they nerfed terran

No more terrans play the game anymore, and protoss and zerg are sick of playing each other
Hylirion
Profile Joined March 2012
Netherlands968 Posts
October 17 2012 18:08 GMT
#844
To be honest, I play more and more dota2 and less and less starcraft2, even though somewhere i think starcraft is the better game. It's so strange, that in Dota2 you can get totally crap games with a team full of non-english speaking russian feeders. Yet still I always want to play another game of Dota while after a few SC2 matches I quit...
Rumpus
Profile Joined August 2011
United States136 Posts
October 17 2012 18:09 GMT
#845
I think it can be simply put that Blizzard just doesn't care about Starcraft 2. And I don't care what anyone internally or externally could say. I also don't think it is so much the small group of Starcraft 2 developers, but everyone working at Blizzard in some facet.

Look at D3, I mean granted the game completely sucked and pretty much still does. But it's seen drastic overhauling to quite a few different aspects of the game since beta and even 2 enormous patches beyond that. The games been out for 5 (close to a year including beta) months. Coming up to 3 years (including beta) Starcraft 2 has gotten absolutely nothing beyond horribly bare bone chat channels/windows from an "appease patch", and tons of misguided over the top attempts at "balancing."

What about the long list of features we've asked for since day one?
What about fixing glaring issues in design and game-play that everyone has talked about...since day one?

Blizzard doesn't care for its community or E-Sports position.
Blizzard doesn't care about this game. At all.
Grammin'
IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
October 17 2012 18:09 GMT
#846
So much doom and gloom in this thread. Gonna go back to laddering now. I love this game. <3
Time held me green and dying though I sang in my chains like the sea.
jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
October 17 2012 18:14 GMT
#847
On October 18 2012 03:09 IPA wrote:
So much doom and gloom in this thread. Gonna go back to laddering now. I love this game. <3

The main problem is that not enough people share your sentiment to make a sustainable scene around SC2.
CJ Entusman #50! #1 클템 fan TL!
tehemperorer
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2183 Posts
October 17 2012 18:16 GMT
#848
I kinda agree... Although I have no stake in the whole scene, I think there are definite flaws in SC2 that can't be overcome in a short period of time. I think that at the very core of the matter, if SC2 is allowed to be a deep game (i.e., they stop patching things that are technically wrong but make for interesting gameplay), then the sponsored scene will crumble (as it should) and SC2 can grow from its roots up, just like any game. Having this sponsored, commercial scene right when the game came out was like taking a orchid from a pot and transplanting it into your backyard, and being surprised that it dies within a short amount of time.
Knowing is half the battle... the other half is lasers.
SilSol
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden2744 Posts
October 17 2012 18:16 GMT
#849
On October 18 2012 03:06 phodacbiet wrote:
Esport WILL succeed, just not with Starcraft, and blizzard has made damn sure of that with the way things are being run.


This post just made me sad
http://fragbite.se/user/117868/silsol since 2006 http://www.reddit.com/u/silsol77
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
October 17 2012 18:18 GMT
#850
On October 18 2012 03:16 SilSol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 03:06 phodacbiet wrote:
Esport WILL succeed, just not with Starcraft, and blizzard has made damn sure of that with the way things are being run.


This post just made me sad


but it really shouldn't. These problems have been there since the game came out and blizzard still hasn't addressed it. The only reason most people bought this game was because of it's name. Sometimes I wonder what those guys do over in California.
The Notorious Winkles
VanGarde
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden755 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-17 18:20:18
October 17 2012 18:19 GMT
#851
On October 18 2012 03:14 jpak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 03:09 IPA wrote:
So much doom and gloom in this thread. Gonna go back to laddering now. I love this game. <3

The main problem is that not enough people share your sentiment to make a sustainable scene around SC2.

Actually the main "problem" is that the vast majority of people who enjoy this game are like him playing the ladder or watching streams right now, which leaves it to the self proclaimed experts to assert things like "blizzard just don't care about this game" on a thread on TL. These threads are always a terrible source of actual representation of the community because only the whiners have the energy to read past the op.

The fact that people honestly think that LoL is doing better in terms of esports because they have more free viewers on their way fewer streams just shows how far advanced peoples deduction skills are.
War does not determine who is right - only who is left.
coverpunch
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2093 Posts
October 17 2012 18:20 GMT
#852
I don't agree with this rant at all. It's really just a question of expectations. It's clear now that the expectations were set way too high for SC2, particularly in the foreign scene.

The complaints about ladder anxiety are a question for e-sports and future growth. Are most gamers who watch e-sports supposed to also play the games? That seems to be the implication with games like LoL but that's not how it is in broader professional sports. A tiny minority of people who watch the Super Bowl or NBA Finals go out and play the sport themselves. The question there is should SC2 cater itself more to hardcore fans or to casual watchers? That's part of the experimentation that different tournaments should do.

But is e-sports dying? No. At least, not yet. Not until significant tournaments start shutting down.

Twistacles
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1327 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-17 18:27:22
October 17 2012 18:22 GMT
#853
Yes.

yes to all of this.

In the first 2 years of SC, it felt really exciting. The huge tournaments, the MLGs, the Dreamhacks, the GSLs.

Now? I barely play anymore. Terran has been nerfed to shit, there's too many tournaments for me to care about and quite frankly i'd rather 2v2 or play battlefield.
"If you don't give a shit which gum you buy, get stride" - Tyler
Smackzilla
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States539 Posts
October 17 2012 18:23 GMT
#854
I agree that casuals are key to growing the SC2 scene. There needs to be an entertaining *casual* alternative to ladder that can somehow translate into interest in the pro scene - a tall order.

I disagree that BW's success has anything to do with casual appeal. You are kidding yourself if you think that the answer to bringing in casuals lies within the history of BW. The Korean phenomenon wasn't based on appeal to casuals and SC2's e-sports scene was *incredibly* more successful than BW in the west.

Sincerely,

A terran killing time in dota2 until HOTS comes out.
You see a mousetrap. I see free cheese and a f&%*ing challenge - Scroobius Pip
Yosi
Profile Joined October 2011
Poland49 Posts
October 17 2012 18:24 GMT
#855
100% Agree, blizzard dont give a fuck
Najebani do domu!
Schnullerbacke13
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1199 Posts
October 17 2012 18:24 GMT
#856
i enjoy sc2 a lot and never play customs, lol and dota are fucking simple and boring, i really don't like the genre at all. i don't care if e-sports is growing as long there are opponents on the ladder and some streams featuring highlevelish games i am satisfied. .. would like to have unranked matchmaking, as i am foolish enough to care about my ladder rank somehow :D
21 is half the truth
Angel_
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1617 Posts
October 17 2012 18:24 GMT
#857
Did you ever have that activity in school where you had to give someone instructions to make a pb&j? The first step involved, "Take the peanut butter and put it on the bread." The teacher would then quite literally pick up the jar of peanut butter and drop it on the bread.

Blizzard is much more involved than they were. The "blizzard is doing nothing and needs to change it's course" sounds like sky is falling nonsense. Blizzard IS getting more involved finally. But when asked for better chat options they responded with, "We think the chat client works fine for match making currently". It isn't a lack of involvement, it's not having a clue what the casual community wants or why they want it.

What they genuinely need is for us to convey clearly, now that they're actually listening, what it is that casuals need and want. It isn't low level balance. It isn't unit changes really. It isn't different balance tweaked for different rankings or unranked games so the fear of laddering isn't there; you're still competing. They need chat support. They need better chat options, clan support, better map making support, better map searching support, a better less clunkly custom game finder, easier ways to make friends through the games. Giving a better tutorial on how the units work to people with no desire to compete IS NOT USEFUL.


But neither is crying for 43 pages about how the sky is falling and that blizzard is doing nothing.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
October 17 2012 18:27 GMT
#858
Blizzard made a lot of mistakes with SC2 but it's nothing that can't be fixed. Yes, it has a high skill cap but that makes it a better sport from the spectators view. Not every game has to be the same.
I Protoss winner, could it be?
NexCa
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany954 Posts
October 17 2012 18:28 GMT
#859
remove outmining, +8 minerals gaining, 12 units per HK, 1 Building per HK, done !
Best Protoss Player 4 ever - Bisu[Shield] || http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=326242 || THIS IS WHERE WE STAND, THIS IS WHERE THEY FALL, GIVE THEM NOTHING, BUT TAKE FROM THEM EVERYTHING ! || SKT FIGHTIIING
M,J,Y
Profile Joined February 2012
New Zealand16 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-17 18:30:17
October 17 2012 18:28 GMT
#860
I think the old guard of blizzard has moved on into other roles in the company , the new guys have no idea. When sc2 launched all i could think about is " wtf ?? is this ui made for consoles" no chat, clunky interface just screamed console.

Sc2 balance wise for WoL has improved allot but the basic fundamental issues are still there.

This is a little off topic but relevant, look at Diablo 3 . I was a huge D2 nerd, played it to death and when i got D3 i was expecting allot, yeah its hard to live up to 10+ years of expectations but D3 launched with some colossal issues.

Just basic game design gone horribly wrong....

Blizzard in the past has been known to take eon's to make games but when they come out they are stellar. The exception being World of Warcraft expansions / patches but the time frame for those are much smaller. After SC2 i started to question Blizzard and then D3 came out and my faith in Blizzard has really been shaken.
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