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xuanzue
Profile Joined October 2010
Colombia1747 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-08 20:42:08
October 08 2012 20:37 GMT
#41
how much was the prizepool in the proleague?
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insanet
Profile Joined January 2010
Peru439 Posts
October 08 2012 20:38 GMT
#42
16 Teams will require a 1 year long League ( to the new guys: Proleague used to be 1year long). You cant really trust that some GSTL teams will not disband during that period.

I think best format will be instead of each league playoffs, get the top 2 from each league and make a Ro4 bracket to finals.
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
October 08 2012 20:59 GMT
#43
On October 09 2012 05:30 GolemMadness wrote:
Would definitely be cool, but I could see some issues with broadcasting rights (which matches Gom airs and which games OGN airs).

If MBC and OGN could make it work, for years, I certainly wouldn't see this as a problem. I think joint league would be benefitial for both parties at this point, fighting and cutting their audiences up would not help them, and introducing a half year long Combined Super PL could work well to hype domestic audiences.
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PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
October 08 2012 21:01 GMT
#44
On October 09 2012 05:38 insanet wrote:
16 Teams will require a 1 year long League ( to the new guys: Proleague used to be 1year long). You cant really trust that some GSTL teams will not disband during that period.

I think best format will be instead of each league playoffs, get the top 2 from each league and make a Ro4 bracket to finals.

I would die to see another Winner's League.
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Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
October 08 2012 21:08 GMT
#45
That sounds good. I agree with you, OP.
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Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
October 08 2012 21:26 GMT
#46
On October 09 2012 06:01 PVJ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2012 05:38 insanet wrote:
16 Teams will require a 1 year long League ( to the new guys: Proleague used to be 1year long). You cant really trust that some GSTL teams will not disband during that period.

I think best format will be instead of each league playoffs, get the top 2 from each league and make a Ro4 bracket to finals.

I would die to see another Winner's League.

They can do both.
A few years ago a single Proleague season had 6 rounds, 2 of them Winner's League style.
It leads to a super epic playoffs and finals.
GeneralSnoop
Profile Joined February 2011
United States142 Posts
October 08 2012 21:44 GMT
#47
I totally agree with the OP, I have been wanting the GSTL to have more of a 'regular season' like they have in the NHL, NBA, NFL, etc. for a long time now. They made an attempt awhile ago and it was great; there was Fantasy GSTL, games that weren't life-or-death where teams felt comfortable playing some of my favorite players that aren't in top form, and a long season where stories/rivalries could arise. Next season, however, it was back to a 3 week bracket system where my favorite team could get eliminated in 2 matches, and if a team's ace had a bad single game you didn't really get to see him again until the next tournament.

As far as broadcasting is concerned, the SCII model for viewing (where given the time difference, most foreign viewers watch VODs anyway) is actually much better than most mainstream sports for handling a large amount of games. In the NHL or NBA, for instance, a ton of games are played throughout the week, many at the same time, but only a few are broadcast nationally (local broadcasts are available for you home team, but for the sake of my argument, lets pretend you also want to watch at least one team that isn't your home team). Fans watch what they can when teams they like are on, and for the rest must go on ESPN or something similar to look at the stats and find out what happened in games that way. For a SCII league, they could do the same thing. Have many matches played, even multiple matches at the same time, but only put full production on and broadcast a few a week. For the games not broadcast, there are many options. The TL writing staff always does a great job with match summaries, the replays of the games could be released, or the games could even be casted in post-production from the replays and still released as VODs, just without the production of the matches chosen to be broadcast live. Its hard to do a full, well produced, live stream of a team event and have it look as good as GOM does, so doing every match like that would probably be out of the question, but it is not hard to host a team event that will just be cast from the replays. All GOM would need really is another random room.
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Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4732 Posts
October 08 2012 21:47 GMT
#48
I would very much like that. I guess the field would be narrowed down to 12-14 teams pretty quickly, play two games per day like in the old OGN/MBC days, just with GOM/OGN. Needs to run at least 3 nights per week though, which would actually be awesome. Just one round of games for half a year (like 13weeks of games) and have a champion every six months. As it stands now, I barely remember who won the last GSTL.

As of now, I don't care for either GSTL nor SPL very much, so on some level I believe this league has to happen.
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Cinim
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark866 Posts
October 08 2012 21:50 GMT
#49
On October 08 2012 21:30 X3GoldDot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2012 21:28 Fenrax wrote:
On October 08 2012 21:25 X3GoldDot wrote:
would create way too many teams thus way too many matches which takes up massive amounts of time imho, they should make qualifiers then a 10 or 12 team bracket if it were to merge


Why? It works incredibly well in Football, Basketball, Ice Hockey, American Football. So why not in SC2? You don't have to do Bo9s. BO7s or BO5s would be fine.


becuz there arent 3 or more channels to view gstls/proleagues on, also teamleague matches take more time than real sport matches. Also, there constantly is GSLs/ OSLs/foreign tournaments happening which would make it a matter of having no time for this format to work


Both GSL and OnGamenet can broadcast matches, that is 2 channels, enough imo
Hell, it's about time
JKM
Profile Joined November 2011
Denmark419 Posts
October 08 2012 21:58 GMT
#50
Hmm, I would like it if GSTL and SPL feeded into a shared playoff bracket, so we'd have the two teams from each regiment advancing and facing eachother. Or perhaps something along the lines of the winner of SPL facing the winner of GSTL.
Both ways we ensure that both teams from Kespa and ESF (+whoever else would participate in GSTL) can go far in the teamleague. The downside is naturally that one league may become easier than the other, resulting in poor and/or uninteresting playoffs (I doubt this, since both sides sits on tons of talent).
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LockeTazeline
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
2390 Posts
October 08 2012 22:29 GMT
#51
I think this would be awesome (ESF team vs. Kespa team would make much more interesting matchups right now), but unfortunately, I don't think this is going to be happening any time soon, simply because it would require a lot of cooperation and compromise from both sides, and I'm not certain they're there yet.
oZe
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden492 Posts
October 08 2012 23:08 GMT
#52
On October 08 2012 21:30 X3GoldDot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2012 21:28 Fenrax wrote:
On October 08 2012 21:25 X3GoldDot wrote:
would create way too many teams thus way too many matches which takes up massive amounts of time imho, they should make qualifiers then a 10 or 12 team bracket if it were to merge


Why? It works incredibly well in Football, Basketball, Ice Hockey, American Football. So why not in SC2? You don't have to do Bo9s. BO7s or BO5s would be fine.


becuz there arent 3 or more channels to view gstls/proleagues on, also teamleague matches take more time than real sport matches. Also, there constantly is GSLs/ OSLs/foreign tournaments happening which would make it a matter of having no time for this format to work


Infinite channels is worse than less channels????

Ever heard of boxing people =) There are five titles there.

The problem with the team league is that it's not a team league. It's just your regular 1v1 where you root for teams instead of players. I am just so much more into players than teams. I wanna see pros duke it out in 4v4. The battles would reach a new kind of legendary epicness never seen before. Imagine an 800 vs 800 battle with 3200 apm ^^ Can you dig it!

Might be a lot harder to cast good though. Since there would be much more action all over the place. Builds and strategies would be harder to analyze since they're not one dimensional anymore.
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RiceAgainst
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States1849 Posts
October 08 2012 23:11 GMT
#53
I think there should be a team league this big, even if it takes a long time, maybe only twice a year or something similar. The live events might probably be restricted to the top 8 teams, with the rest being qualifiers.
Messi
Profile Joined September 2011
United States212 Posts
October 08 2012 23:13 GMT
#54
ye i would look forward to real championship games.
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
October 08 2012 23:36 GMT
#55
It won't happen until Kespa magically loosens up their sphincter or gets desperate enough to even consider it. They could, however, be open to the idea of a proleague champion vs gstl champion showdown. Sort of like the Super Cup between CL and Europa League winners. That would be pretty cool.
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Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
October 08 2012 23:41 GMT
#56
On October 09 2012 05:37 xuanzue wrote:
how much was the prizepool in the proleague?

100 M₩ (90 k$). Current GSTL is 63 M₩ (57 k$).
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fire_brand
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada1123 Posts
October 09 2012 00:04 GMT
#57
WCS teamleague IMO. That would be sick. Have two conferences, and 3 divisions, just like in MLB/NHL/NFL or watever other proleague that holds to a similar format. Have a fairly extended regular season ending in playoffs and relegation matches. Losers play against other hopeful teams to requalify for the next regular season.

I would be psyched to see something of this magnitude. It really would be the premier SC2 and even premier Esports tournament and might go pretty far to legitimize our sport in the eyes of the average, non esport enthusiast. Needless to say though the amount of effort, infrastructure and resources that would be needed to pull something like this off makes it a little unrealistic. As it stands now the game is too global and latency too much of an issue to make this feasible.

The most realistic alternative we would be looking at would be something like a combined korean proleague. I think that's the most likely possibility to be realized. I think the differences between ESF and KesPA though make even this difficult to pull off. If it was run by a third party organization with a large prize pool and quality production then I could see ESF and Kespa going for it. Otherwise it might be a bit of a pipedream.
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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
October 09 2012 01:16 GMT
#58
On October 09 2012 06:01 PVJ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2012 05:38 insanet wrote:
16 Teams will require a 1 year long League ( to the new guys: Proleague used to be 1year long). You cant really trust that some GSTL teams will not disband during that period.

I think best format will be instead of each league playoffs, get the top 2 from each league and make a Ro4 bracket to finals.

I would die to see another Winner's League.


I'm fine without it. It's what most clan wars seem to be is winners league. GSTL for example is only winners league. I would kill for them to swap on and off. 1 season normal 4 1v1's with possible ace, and 1 season of winners league. That was always nice in bw and I always wished GOM would do that again but they refuse it seems TT.
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
October 09 2012 01:24 GMT
#59
I'm kind of confused as to why Liquid should only count now that they have Sea... They have had players who are better than him for a while now.
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aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
October 09 2012 01:42 GMT
#60
Definitely agree. Proleague especially would be hurt by only 7 teams
I hope we get back to the old Proleague formats in a combined form, ie proleague format for x weeks, followed by winner's league, than next round proleague then playoffs, in some form or anothgber
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