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TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8306 Posts
September 13 2012 17:35 GMT
#161
On September 14 2012 02:06 MLG_Adam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 02:00 vthree wrote:
On September 14 2012 01:57 AndAgain wrote:
On September 14 2012 01:51 Resilient wrote:
MLG is an American company, with American sponsors(at least the DIVISION responsible for that region before you bring up things like benQ/Xperia etc). It should seem obvious that this is their key demographic. 12 NA players is bullshit if you look at it purely from a SC2 perspective, there would be like a handful invites max. But that's not good for business at all.

As long as the 12 invites are used properly, i.e. inviting up-and-comers and people who stand a realistic chance, then it should be great. I just hope they don't invite "personalities" who will crash and burn instantly all for the sake of a cheap pop. That is not sustainable at all.


But I don't think NA fans are all that into NA players. You got your Idra, Huk, may be Sheth, but then it drops off really quickly. Of course there's the Incontrols, Destinys, and Nonys of the world, but they're nowhere near competitive enough to warrant an invite.


I am sure MLG has more detail numbers on viewers on stream when certain matches are being played. Not sure how you can just make the statement NA fans aren't that into NA players with any numbers to support you.


Viewership is definitely affected by the presence of EU and NA players. It is a fact that viewership goes DOWN after the last 'foreigner' (hate that term) is eliminated.

As a company we will definitely be focusing more and more on North America, not exclusively but this region will be a priority. North American players winning, gaining confidence, getting better, etc. is great for the scene as a whole. We need there to be aspiration to be the best in North America, and that should not REQUIRE you moving to Seoul to prove it/make a living (at least in our opinion).

In any case, for those speculating about the invites, here is the list of players we have formally invited. We did NOT include the Top 8 from Raleigh as they are already in Group Play:
Korea/Taiwan
DongRaeGu
MarineKing
Alicia
MC
Puma
Mvp

Europe
Naniwa
Stephano
Sase
Sockeh
Grubby
Ret

North America
Huk
Idra
Select
Sheth
Sasquatch
Illusion
KawaiiRice
Hawk
Caliber
Scarlett
Vibe
Major
***THIS LIST IS INVITED PLAYERS, NOT CONFIRMED PLAYERS***

Also please remember that we still have online qualifiers for group play spots for KR, EU, and NA.

Edit: Top 8 from Raleigh that are already in Dallas Groups:
Leenock
First
Taeja
TheSTC
Hero
Violet
Revival, Heart



OH MY GOODNESS. Thank you for being so awesomely candid about that! Even if they don't all accept I'm incredably excited about those invites.

+ Show Spoiler +
If a European declines however, gotta get Thorzain in there. The king in the North! Mind you, between him, Nerchio, Mana, and all the other europeans doing well right now any invite is a good invite as we see in the six you've got there, which I assume is based on MLG points of somekind

I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11075 Posts
September 13 2012 17:36 GMT
#162
Stork! :D

The problem is that there really isn't enough in the way of NA talent beyond what's in the EG house. Illusion and Scarlet are probably the the players I'm most excited to see get a chance. Kinda missed Select too even if he's another T.

Still this has a ton of potential.
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Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
September 13 2012 17:37 GMT
#163
On September 14 2012 02:34 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 02:32 Darpa wrote:
On September 14 2012 02:19 MLG_Adam wrote:
On September 14 2012 02:15 TheSir wrote:
On September 14 2012 02:06 MLG_Adam wrote:
As a company we will definitely be focusing more and more on North America, not exclusively but this region will be a priority.


Thats fine, but then stop telling that MLG's goal is to provide the highest level competitive gaming in the world




Why? We have multiple avenues for global participation at our events. You're sensationalizing things as usual.

For those asking about online qualifiers:
http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/compete-in-the-fall-starcraft-ii-online-qualifiers



I wouldnt bother justifying it Adam, there will be whiners regardless of who you invite.

MLG tournaments are almost always the most competitive tournaments outside of GSL. Anyone who says otherwise is just flat out wrong. GIven the top 8 at raleigh, its more like 12 NA 6 Euro 14 Koreans.

Realistically virtually everyone on that list of Koreans are a top tier competitors.


IPL4 was the most competitive foreigner tournament of all time IMO, either that or MLG Providence because every Korean came to try for the 50k first place prize.



I dont necessarily disagree, which is why i said "almost Always". That said, MLG is definitely the most consistent provider of top tier competition (again outside of GSL)
"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
oGsTrueSmug
Profile Joined September 2012
England141 Posts
September 13 2012 17:38 GMT
#164
On September 14 2012 02:32 Darpa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 02:19 MLG_Adam wrote:
On September 14 2012 02:15 TheSir wrote:
On September 14 2012 02:06 MLG_Adam wrote:
As a company we will definitely be focusing more and more on North America, not exclusively but this region will be a priority.


Thats fine, but then stop telling that MLG's goal is to provide the highest level competitive gaming in the world




Why? We have multiple avenues for global participation at our events. You're sensationalizing things as usual.

For those asking about online qualifiers:
http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/compete-in-the-fall-starcraft-ii-online-qualifiers



I wouldnt bother justifying it Adam, there will be whiners regardless of who you invite.

MLG tournaments are almost always the most competitive tournaments outside of GSL. Anyone who says otherwise is just flat out wrong. GIven the top 8 at raleigh, its more like 12 NA 6 Euro 14 Koreans.

Realistically virtually everyone on that list of Koreans are a top tier competitors.


OSL, Proleague, IPL, WCS, and Dreamhack would all like a word.
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
September 13 2012 17:39 GMT
#165
thorzain was not invited?!
ESPORTS ILLUMINATI
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
September 13 2012 17:42 GMT
#166
On September 14 2012 02:38 oGsTrueSmug wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 02:32 Darpa wrote:
On September 14 2012 02:19 MLG_Adam wrote:
On September 14 2012 02:15 TheSir wrote:
On September 14 2012 02:06 MLG_Adam wrote:
As a company we will definitely be focusing more and more on North America, not exclusively but this region will be a priority.


Thats fine, but then stop telling that MLG's goal is to provide the highest level competitive gaming in the world




Why? We have multiple avenues for global participation at our events. You're sensationalizing things as usual.

For those asking about online qualifiers:
http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/compete-in-the-fall-starcraft-ii-online-qualifiers



I wouldnt bother justifying it Adam, there will be whiners regardless of who you invite.

MLG tournaments are almost always the most competitive tournaments outside of GSL. Anyone who says otherwise is just flat out wrong. GIven the top 8 at raleigh, its more like 12 NA 6 Euro 14 Koreans.

Realistically virtually everyone on that list of Koreans are a top tier competitors.


OSL, Proleague, IPL, WCS, and Dreamhack would all like a word.


Dreamhack while it is an awesome event is nowhere near the level of competition of MLG, almost no Koreans attend it.
Nimic
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway1360 Posts
September 13 2012 17:46 GMT
#167
On September 14 2012 02:42 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 02:38 oGsTrueSmug wrote:
On September 14 2012 02:32 Darpa wrote:
On September 14 2012 02:19 MLG_Adam wrote:
On September 14 2012 02:15 TheSir wrote:
On September 14 2012 02:06 MLG_Adam wrote:
As a company we will definitely be focusing more and more on North America, not exclusively but this region will be a priority.


Thats fine, but then stop telling that MLG's goal is to provide the highest level competitive gaming in the world




Why? We have multiple avenues for global participation at our events. You're sensationalizing things as usual.

For those asking about online qualifiers:
http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/compete-in-the-fall-starcraft-ii-online-qualifiers



I wouldnt bother justifying it Adam, there will be whiners regardless of who you invite.

MLG tournaments are almost always the most competitive tournaments outside of GSL. Anyone who says otherwise is just flat out wrong. GIven the top 8 at raleigh, its more like 12 NA 6 Euro 14 Koreans.

Realistically virtually everyone on that list of Koreans are a top tier competitors.


OSL, Proleague, IPL, WCS, and Dreamhack would all like a word.


Dreamhack while it is an awesome event is nowhere near the level of competition of MLG, almost no Koreans attend it.


Dreamhack Summer had 8 koreans in it, and the ro8 consisted of 1 korean and 7 Europeans. Just saying.
goswser
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3548 Posts
September 13 2012 17:48 GMT
#168
The kawaiirice invite is a bit weird, the rest make sense.
say you were born into a jungle indian tribe where food was scarce...would you run around from teepee to teepee stealing meat scraps after a day lazying around doing nothing except warming urself by a fire that you didn't even make yourself? -rekrul
Oww
Profile Joined July 2011
Poland12 Posts
September 13 2012 17:48 GMT
#169
How many NA pros takes it to have equal chances with EU pros?
Why so serious?
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 17:51:50
September 13 2012 17:49 GMT
#170
On September 14 2012 02:46 Nimic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 02:42 Dodgin wrote:
On September 14 2012 02:38 oGsTrueSmug wrote:
On September 14 2012 02:32 Darpa wrote:
On September 14 2012 02:19 MLG_Adam wrote:
On September 14 2012 02:15 TheSir wrote:
On September 14 2012 02:06 MLG_Adam wrote:
As a company we will definitely be focusing more and more on North America, not exclusively but this region will be a priority.


Thats fine, but then stop telling that MLG's goal is to provide the highest level competitive gaming in the world




Why? We have multiple avenues for global participation at our events. You're sensationalizing things as usual.

For those asking about online qualifiers:
http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/compete-in-the-fall-starcraft-ii-online-qualifiers



I wouldnt bother justifying it Adam, there will be whiners regardless of who you invite.

MLG tournaments are almost always the most competitive tournaments outside of GSL. Anyone who says otherwise is just flat out wrong. GIven the top 8 at raleigh, its more like 12 NA 6 Euro 14 Koreans.

Realistically virtually everyone on that list of Koreans are a top tier competitors.


OSL, Proleague, IPL, WCS, and Dreamhack would all like a word.


Dreamhack while it is an awesome event is nowhere near the level of competition of MLG, almost no Koreans attend it.


Dreamhack Summer had 8 koreans in it, and the ro8 consisted of 1 korean and 7 Europeans. Just saying.


I count six, Dragon and Daisy are not exactly top tier players, they might as well be foreigners. Hero and Taeja teamkilled in the ro16 and Keen barely lost to Stephano.

Anyway that's not really the point, mostly only Koreans on foreigner teams like hero taeja jyp and puma come to dreamhacks while MLG has a lot more Code S level talent at it.

If more Koreans came to Dreamhacks then it could be the most competitive, because top EU + top KR is > top NA + top KR and a few Europeans on rich teams that can afford to send them.
BushidoSnipr
Profile Joined November 2010
United States910 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 17:51:40
September 13 2012 17:50 GMT
#171
What NA lacks in skill, we make up for in numbers. Good thinking MLG

Edit: Sasquatch was invited but not qxc?!?!?!? WTF?

Sasquatch is a patchzerg lol and qxc deserves it way more.

User was banned for this post.
butter
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States785 Posts
September 13 2012 17:52 GMT
#172
Why do we still have invite tournaments in 2012?
TL should have a minigame where you have to destroy some rocks before you can make a new post – DentalFloss
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-14 05:24:57
September 13 2012 17:52 GMT
#173
Awww, no ZerO, Reality, Baby, or even Flying. Baffling how Jaehoon managed to get in over Baby, but if it's based on Proleague rankings then that's understandable.

It'll be interesting to see how the non-Korean scene fares against the KeSPA players after seeing them best quite a few eSF players in these recent months. Will it be the beginning of the end, or will we see glimmers of real competition against the elephants?
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
September 13 2012 17:54 GMT
#174
On September 14 2012 02:42 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 02:38 oGsTrueSmug wrote:
On September 14 2012 02:32 Darpa wrote:
On September 14 2012 02:19 MLG_Adam wrote:
On September 14 2012 02:15 TheSir wrote:
On September 14 2012 02:06 MLG_Adam wrote:
As a company we will definitely be focusing more and more on North America, not exclusively but this region will be a priority.


Thats fine, but then stop telling that MLG's goal is to provide the highest level competitive gaming in the world




Why? We have multiple avenues for global participation at our events. You're sensationalizing things as usual.

For those asking about online qualifiers:
http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/compete-in-the-fall-starcraft-ii-online-qualifiers



I wouldnt bother justifying it Adam, there will be whiners regardless of who you invite.

MLG tournaments are almost always the most competitive tournaments outside of GSL. Anyone who says otherwise is just flat out wrong. GIven the top 8 at raleigh, its more like 12 NA 6 Euro 14 Koreans.

Realistically virtually everyone on that list of Koreans are a top tier competitors.


OSL, Proleague, IPL, WCS, and Dreamhack would all like a word.


Dreamhack while it is an awesome event is nowhere near the level of competition of MLG, almost no Koreans attend it.


They also consistently have a terrible format. In terms of production quality and stream quality there's very few tournaments that can keep up though.
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
September 13 2012 17:57 GMT
#175
On September 14 2012 02:52 butter wrote:
Why do we still have invite tournaments in 2012?


So that the best of the best players don't need to play in the open bracket, and because online qualifiers suck, and because fans want to see the best players + the cinderellas. This format offers both.

That said, I'd would like to see more championship bracket/group stage players taken from the open bracket.

Maybe there could be two separate group stages, one before the open bracket people make it up (where the worst finishers would be relegated into a later stage in that open bracket), and one that includes a player base from the open bracket.
Zandar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1541 Posts
September 13 2012 17:57 GMT
#176
Guy at MLG who invents stuff like extended series: "We need a confusing name for our tournament"

Highly paid marketing brainstorm dude: "Well, what about MVP? There's already a team and a player with that name"

"Perfect!"
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
thOr6136
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Slovenia1775 Posts
September 13 2012 17:58 GMT
#177
On September 14 2012 02:52 eviltomahawk wrote:
Awww, no ZerO, Reality, Baby, or even Flying. Baffling how Jaehoon managed to get in over Baby, but if it's based on Proleague rankings then that's understandable.

It'll be interesting to see how the non-Korean scene fares against the KeSPA players after seeing them best quite a few eSF players in these recent months. Will it be the beginning of the end, or will we see glimmers of real competition against the elephants?


baby = ty

but yeah no zero reality flying makes me sad too
R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10341 Posts
September 13 2012 18:01 GMT
#178
No Suppy on the NA list makes me sad .
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TranceKuja
Profile Joined May 2011
United States154 Posts
September 13 2012 18:02 GMT
#179
On September 14 2012 00:14 shindigs wrote:
aw no jaedong, but still looks amazing

JD
Winning
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
September 13 2012 18:03 GMT
#180
o hype~
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