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On September 14 2012 02:06 MLG_Adam wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 02:00 vthree wrote:On September 14 2012 01:57 AndAgain wrote:On September 14 2012 01:51 Resilient wrote:
MLG is an American company, with American sponsors(at least the DIVISION responsible for that region before you bring up things like benQ/Xperia etc). It should seem obvious that this is their key demographic. 12 NA players is bullshit if you look at it purely from a SC2 perspective, there would be like a handful invites max. But that's not good for business at all.
As long as the 12 invites are used properly, i.e. inviting up-and-comers and people who stand a realistic chance, then it should be great. I just hope they don't invite "personalities" who will crash and burn instantly all for the sake of a cheap pop. That is not sustainable at all. But I don't think NA fans are all that into NA players. You got your Idra, Huk, may be Sheth, but then it drops off really quickly. Of course there's the Incontrols, Destinys, and Nonys of the world, but they're nowhere near competitive enough to warrant an invite. I am sure MLG has more detail numbers on viewers on stream when certain matches are being played. Not sure how you can just make the statement NA fans aren't that into NA players with any numbers to support you. Viewership is definitely affected by the presence of EU and NA players. It is a fact that viewership goes DOWN after the last 'foreigner' (hate that term) is eliminated. As a company we will definitely be focusing more and more on North America, not exclusively but this region will be a priority. North American players winning, gaining confidence, getting better, etc. is great for the scene as a whole. We need there to be aspiration to be the best in North America, and that should not REQUIRE you moving to Seoul to prove it/make a living (at least in our opinion). In any case, for those speculating about the invites, here is the list of players we have formally invited. We did NOT include the Top 8 from Raleigh as they are already in Group Play:Korea/Taiwan DongRaeGu MarineKing Alicia MC Puma Mvp Europe Naniwa Stephano Sase Sockeh Grubby Ret North America Huk Idra Select Sheth Sasquatch Illusion KawaiiRice Hawk Caliber Scarlett Vibe Major ***THIS LIST IS INVITED PLAYERS, NOT CONFIRMED PLAYERS*** Also please remember that we still have online qualifiers for group play spots for KR, EU, and NA. Edit: Top 8 from Raleigh that are already in Dallas Groups: Leenock First Taeja TheSTC Hero Violet Revival, Heart
OH MY GOODNESS. Thank you for being so awesomely candid about that! Even if they don't all accept I'm incredably excited about those invites.
+ Show Spoiler +If a European declines however, gotta get Thorzain in there. The king in the North! Mind you, between him, Nerchio, Mana, and all the other europeans doing well right now any invite is a good invite as we see in the six you've got there, which I assume is based on MLG points of somekind
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Stork! :D
The problem is that there really isn't enough in the way of NA talent beyond what's in the EG house. Illusion and Scarlet are probably the the players I'm most excited to see get a chance. Kinda missed Select too even if he's another T.
Still this has a ton of potential.
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On September 14 2012 02:34 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 02:32 Darpa wrote:On September 14 2012 02:19 MLG_Adam wrote:On September 14 2012 02:15 TheSir wrote:On September 14 2012 02:06 MLG_Adam wrote:
As a company we will definitely be focusing more and more on North America, not exclusively but this region will be a priority. Thats fine, but then stop telling that MLG's goal is to provide the highest level competitive gaming in the world Why? We have multiple avenues for global participation at our events. You're sensationalizing things as usual. For those asking about online qualifiers: http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/compete-in-the-fall-starcraft-ii-online-qualifiers I wouldnt bother justifying it Adam, there will be whiners regardless of who you invite. MLG tournaments are almost always the most competitive tournaments outside of GSL. Anyone who says otherwise is just flat out wrong. GIven the top 8 at raleigh, its more like 12 NA 6 Euro 14 Koreans. Realistically virtually everyone on that list of Koreans are a top tier competitors. IPL4 was the most competitive foreigner tournament of all time IMO, either that or MLG Providence because every Korean came to try for the 50k first place prize.
I dont necessarily disagree, which is why i said "almost Always". That said, MLG is definitely the most consistent provider of top tier competition (again outside of GSL)
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On September 14 2012 02:32 Darpa wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 02:19 MLG_Adam wrote:On September 14 2012 02:15 TheSir wrote:On September 14 2012 02:06 MLG_Adam wrote:
As a company we will definitely be focusing more and more on North America, not exclusively but this region will be a priority. Thats fine, but then stop telling that MLG's goal is to provide the highest level competitive gaming in the world Why? We have multiple avenues for global participation at our events. You're sensationalizing things as usual. For those asking about online qualifiers: http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/compete-in-the-fall-starcraft-ii-online-qualifiers I wouldnt bother justifying it Adam, there will be whiners regardless of who you invite. MLG tournaments are almost always the most competitive tournaments outside of GSL. Anyone who says otherwise is just flat out wrong. GIven the top 8 at raleigh, its more like 12 NA 6 Euro 14 Koreans. Realistically virtually everyone on that list of Koreans are a top tier competitors.
OSL, Proleague, IPL, WCS, and Dreamhack would all like a word.
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thorzain was not invited?!
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On September 14 2012 02:38 oGsTrueSmug wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 02:32 Darpa wrote:On September 14 2012 02:19 MLG_Adam wrote:On September 14 2012 02:15 TheSir wrote:On September 14 2012 02:06 MLG_Adam wrote:
As a company we will definitely be focusing more and more on North America, not exclusively but this region will be a priority. Thats fine, but then stop telling that MLG's goal is to provide the highest level competitive gaming in the world Why? We have multiple avenues for global participation at our events. You're sensationalizing things as usual. For those asking about online qualifiers: http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/compete-in-the-fall-starcraft-ii-online-qualifiers I wouldnt bother justifying it Adam, there will be whiners regardless of who you invite. MLG tournaments are almost always the most competitive tournaments outside of GSL. Anyone who says otherwise is just flat out wrong. GIven the top 8 at raleigh, its more like 12 NA 6 Euro 14 Koreans. Realistically virtually everyone on that list of Koreans are a top tier competitors. OSL, Proleague, IPL, WCS, and Dreamhack would all like a word.
Dreamhack while it is an awesome event is nowhere near the level of competition of MLG, almost no Koreans attend it.
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On September 14 2012 02:42 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 02:38 oGsTrueSmug wrote:On September 14 2012 02:32 Darpa wrote:On September 14 2012 02:19 MLG_Adam wrote:On September 14 2012 02:15 TheSir wrote:On September 14 2012 02:06 MLG_Adam wrote:
As a company we will definitely be focusing more and more on North America, not exclusively but this region will be a priority. Thats fine, but then stop telling that MLG's goal is to provide the highest level competitive gaming in the world Why? We have multiple avenues for global participation at our events. You're sensationalizing things as usual. For those asking about online qualifiers: http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/compete-in-the-fall-starcraft-ii-online-qualifiers I wouldnt bother justifying it Adam, there will be whiners regardless of who you invite. MLG tournaments are almost always the most competitive tournaments outside of GSL. Anyone who says otherwise is just flat out wrong. GIven the top 8 at raleigh, its more like 12 NA 6 Euro 14 Koreans. Realistically virtually everyone on that list of Koreans are a top tier competitors. OSL, Proleague, IPL, WCS, and Dreamhack would all like a word. Dreamhack while it is an awesome event is nowhere near the level of competition of MLG, almost no Koreans attend it.
Dreamhack Summer had 8 koreans in it, and the ro8 consisted of 1 korean and 7 Europeans. Just saying.
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The kawaiirice invite is a bit weird, the rest make sense.
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How many NA pros takes it to have equal chances with EU pros?
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On September 14 2012 02:46 Nimic wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 02:42 Dodgin wrote:On September 14 2012 02:38 oGsTrueSmug wrote:On September 14 2012 02:32 Darpa wrote:On September 14 2012 02:19 MLG_Adam wrote:On September 14 2012 02:15 TheSir wrote:On September 14 2012 02:06 MLG_Adam wrote:
As a company we will definitely be focusing more and more on North America, not exclusively but this region will be a priority. Thats fine, but then stop telling that MLG's goal is to provide the highest level competitive gaming in the world Why? We have multiple avenues for global participation at our events. You're sensationalizing things as usual. For those asking about online qualifiers: http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/compete-in-the-fall-starcraft-ii-online-qualifiers I wouldnt bother justifying it Adam, there will be whiners regardless of who you invite. MLG tournaments are almost always the most competitive tournaments outside of GSL. Anyone who says otherwise is just flat out wrong. GIven the top 8 at raleigh, its more like 12 NA 6 Euro 14 Koreans. Realistically virtually everyone on that list of Koreans are a top tier competitors. OSL, Proleague, IPL, WCS, and Dreamhack would all like a word. Dreamhack while it is an awesome event is nowhere near the level of competition of MLG, almost no Koreans attend it. Dreamhack Summer had 8 koreans in it, and the ro8 consisted of 1 korean and 7 Europeans. Just saying.
I count six, Dragon and Daisy are not exactly top tier players, they might as well be foreigners. Hero and Taeja teamkilled in the ro16 and Keen barely lost to Stephano.
Anyway that's not really the point, mostly only Koreans on foreigner teams like hero taeja jyp and puma come to dreamhacks while MLG has a lot more Code S level talent at it.
If more Koreans came to Dreamhacks then it could be the most competitive, because top EU + top KR is > top NA + top KR and a few Europeans on rich teams that can afford to send them.
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What NA lacks in skill, we make up for in numbers. Good thinking MLG 
Edit: Sasquatch was invited but not qxc?!?!?!? WTF?
Sasquatch is a patchzerg lol and qxc deserves it way more.
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Why do we still have invite tournaments in 2012?
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Awww, no ZerO, Reality, Baby, or even Flying. Baffling how Jaehoon managed to get in over Baby, but if it's based on Proleague rankings then that's understandable.
It'll be interesting to see how the non-Korean scene fares against the KeSPA players after seeing them best quite a few eSF players in these recent months. Will it be the beginning of the end, or will we see glimmers of real competition against the elephants?
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On September 14 2012 02:42 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 02:38 oGsTrueSmug wrote:On September 14 2012 02:32 Darpa wrote:On September 14 2012 02:19 MLG_Adam wrote:On September 14 2012 02:15 TheSir wrote:On September 14 2012 02:06 MLG_Adam wrote:
As a company we will definitely be focusing more and more on North America, not exclusively but this region will be a priority. Thats fine, but then stop telling that MLG's goal is to provide the highest level competitive gaming in the world Why? We have multiple avenues for global participation at our events. You're sensationalizing things as usual. For those asking about online qualifiers: http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/compete-in-the-fall-starcraft-ii-online-qualifiers I wouldnt bother justifying it Adam, there will be whiners regardless of who you invite. MLG tournaments are almost always the most competitive tournaments outside of GSL. Anyone who says otherwise is just flat out wrong. GIven the top 8 at raleigh, its more like 12 NA 6 Euro 14 Koreans. Realistically virtually everyone on that list of Koreans are a top tier competitors. OSL, Proleague, IPL, WCS, and Dreamhack would all like a word. Dreamhack while it is an awesome event is nowhere near the level of competition of MLG, almost no Koreans attend it.
They also consistently have a terrible format. In terms of production quality and stream quality there's very few tournaments that can keep up though.
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On September 14 2012 02:52 butter wrote:
Why do we still have invite tournaments in 2012?
So that the best of the best players don't need to play in the open bracket, and because online qualifiers suck, and because fans want to see the best players + the cinderellas. This format offers both.
That said, I'd would like to see more championship bracket/group stage players taken from the open bracket.
Maybe there could be two separate group stages, one before the open bracket people make it up (where the worst finishers would be relegated into a later stage in that open bracket), and one that includes a player base from the open bracket.
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Guy at MLG who invents stuff like extended series: "We need a confusing name for our tournament"
Highly paid marketing brainstorm dude: "Well, what about MVP? There's already a team and a player with that name"
"Perfect!"
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On September 14 2012 02:52 eviltomahawk wrote:
Awww, no ZerO, Reality, Baby, or even Flying. Baffling how Jaehoon managed to get in over Baby, but if it's based on Proleague rankings then that's understandable.
It'll be interesting to see how the non-Korean scene fares against the KeSPA players after seeing them best quite a few eSF players in these recent months. Will it be the beginning of the end, or will we see glimmers of real competition against the elephants?
baby = ty 
but yeah no zero reality flying makes me sad too
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No Suppy on the NA list makes me sad  .
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On September 14 2012 00:14 shindigs wrote:
aw no jaedong, but still looks amazing
JD
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EPT
