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Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
September 13 2012 18:03 GMT
#181
On September 14 2012 02:57 Zorkmid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 02:52 butter wrote:
Why do we still have invite tournaments in 2012?


So that the best of the best players don't need to play in the open bracket, and because online qualifiers suck, and because fans want to see the best players + the cinderellas. This format offers both.

That said, I'd would like to see more championship bracket/group stage players taken from the open bracket.

Maybe there could be two separate group stages, one before the open bracket people make it up (where the worst finishers would be relegated into a later stage in that open bracket), and one that includes a player base from the open bracket.


There's no pleasing everyone. Have an invite based tournament: "Why do we still have invite tournaments!?!?!"

Have a tournament that is mostly open qualifiers: "omg none of my favourite players are playing this sucks"

It's really not that hard to figure out why these tournaments keep happening.
ROOTSasquatch
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States234 Posts
September 13 2012 18:04 GMT
#182
I accepted, it should be fun! I wish Suppy was invited though :[
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NEOtheONE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2233 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 18:06:39
September 13 2012 18:05 GMT
#183
On September 14 2012 01:31 Darpa wrote:
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On September 14 2012 01:24 MLG_Lee wrote:
On September 14 2012 01:22 Cuce wrote:
wait all proleague members will be kespa sanctioned?

what if top 4 is non kespa koreans?


It's taken from the current Proleague top 24 Starcraft II rank. next season might be different, but this is the first iteration of the MvP program.

Also, to clarify, KeSPA plays NA/EU/KrT and vice versa. There's no inside a region play until the playoffs. More details on format and such later. We'll also be announcing the NA/EU/KrT players as they finalize. That list is pretty solid too.

For those folks bashing NA players. Come on, show some love.



Agreed, I think there is some really good players,

Scarlet, Idra, TT1, Huk, Vibe, Select, Major, Slush, Illusion.... Plus Catz always makes for entertaining games =P

im looking forward to it.

Plus MLG is an American Tournament for an mostly american Audience, and lets face it, whether you like it or not, tournaments get more exposure when there are local players playing. But its going to depend entirely on the picks, Scarlet is far and away the best NA player, but she hasnt played in any MLG's this season so I'm not sure if would qualify.


How can you forget Suppy?

EDIT: wait they didn't invite Suppy? WTH?
Abstracts, the too long didn't read of the educated world.
Underkoffer
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands53 Posts
September 13 2012 18:08 GMT
#184
Why not call it the PvM invitational? We have so many MvP's already :D
Looking forward to see what's going to happen.
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 18:12:56
September 13 2012 18:09 GMT
#185
On September 14 2012 02:52 butter wrote:
Why do we still have invite tournaments in 2012?


I agree. This is such a god dam horrible decision by MLG. Its a huge step backwards for the competitive sc2 scene. You were on the right track you had MLG Arena where the best players would qualify.

I cant stress this enough you will have players now who don't deserve to be there. Is this the sc2 scene we want? If we ever is going to have sc2 as a real sport you have to stop with this nonsense and allow the scene itself to determine who deserve these spots.

But Ok MLG just don't fucking complain when its only the Koreans and Stephano left in top 15. I really hope this will bite MLG in there ass

On September 14 2012 02:57 Zorkmid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 02:52 butter wrote:
Why do we still have invite tournaments in 2012?


So that the best of the best players don't need to play in the open bracket, and because online qualifiers suck, and because fans want to see the best players + the cinderellas. This format offers both.

That said, I'd would like to see more championship bracket/group stage players taken from the open bracket.

Maybe there could be two separate group stages, one before the open bracket people make it up (where the worst finishers would be relegated into a later stage in that open bracket), and one that includes a player base from the open bracket.


And that's just not true the best players will not be there however you will have 12 NA players with a lot of fans who bring stream numbers. Competitive sc2 scene my ass. More like fixed sc2 scene
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
skatblast
Profile Joined September 2011
United States784 Posts
September 13 2012 18:10 GMT
#186
On September 14 2012 00:12 Condor Hero wrote:
why 12 NA players? it's disproportionate and I think everyone expects our NA players to get smashed



Cause the tourny is in NA. Not that hard to figure out
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
September 13 2012 18:11 GMT
#187
On September 14 2012 02:06 MLG_Adam wrote:

As a company we will definitely be focusing more and more on North America, not exclusively but this region will be a priority. North American players winning, gaining confidence, getting better, etc. is great for the scene as a whole. We need there to be aspiration to be the best in North America, and that should not REQUIRE you moving to Seoul to prove it/make a living (at least in our opinion).



how do they get better when they are invited based on popularity?
how do they win when you place them against some of the best koreans in the world?

none of what mlg does as a league is compatible with making north american plays aspire to be the best they can be.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
September 13 2012 18:12 GMT
#188
North America
Huk
Idra
Select
Sheth
Sasquatch
Illusion
KawaiiRice
Hawk
Caliber
Scarlett
Vibe
Major

It's weird why Scarlett (who has never played an MLG) is invited over someone like Suppy, Axslav, or Binski (all 3 of who have made Championship bracket at MLG). Major is also a strange invite as well...

I mean: they are DEFINITELY the best players, but are they inviting top players, or people with a strong history at MLG?
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Finrod1
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany3997 Posts
September 13 2012 18:12 GMT
#189
On September 14 2012 02:06 MLG_Adam wrote:
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On September 14 2012 02:00 vthree wrote:
On September 14 2012 01:57 AndAgain wrote:
On September 14 2012 01:51 Resilient wrote:
MLG is an American company, with American sponsors(at least the DIVISION responsible for that region before you bring up things like benQ/Xperia etc). It should seem obvious that this is their key demographic. 12 NA players is bullshit if you look at it purely from a SC2 perspective, there would be like a handful invites max. But that's not good for business at all.

As long as the 12 invites are used properly, i.e. inviting up-and-comers and people who stand a realistic chance, then it should be great. I just hope they don't invite "personalities" who will crash and burn instantly all for the sake of a cheap pop. That is not sustainable at all.


But I don't think NA fans are all that into NA players. You got your Idra, Huk, may be Sheth, but then it drops off really quickly. Of course there's the Incontrols, Destinys, and Nonys of the world, but they're nowhere near competitive enough to warrant an invite.


I am sure MLG has more detail numbers on viewers on stream when certain matches are being played. Not sure how you can just make the statement NA fans aren't that into NA players with any numbers to support you.


Viewership is definitely affected by the presence of EU and NA players. It is a fact that viewership goes DOWN after the last 'foreigner' (hate that term) is eliminated.

As a company we will definitely be focusing more and more on North America, not exclusively but this region will be a priority. North American players winning, gaining confidence, getting better, etc. is great for the scene as a whole. We need there to be aspiration to be the best in North America, and that should not REQUIRE you moving to Seoul to prove it/make a living (at least in our opinion).

In any case, for those speculating about the invites, here is the list of players we have formally invited. We did NOT include the Top 8 from Raleigh as they are already in Group Play:
Korea/Taiwan
DongRaeGu
MarineKing
Alicia
MC
Puma
Mvp

Europe
Naniwa
Stephano
Sase
Sockeh
Grubby
Ret

North America
Huk
Idra
Select
Sheth
Sasquatch
Illusion
KawaiiRice
Hawk
Caliber
Scarlett
Vibe
Major
***THIS LIST IS INVITED PLAYERS, NOT CONFIRMED PLAYERS***

Also please remember that we still have online qualifiers for group play spots for KR, EU, and NA.

Edit: Top 8 from Raleigh that are already in Dallas Groups:
Leenock
First
Taeja
TheSTC
Hero
Violet
Revival, Heart


Really good answer and reasoning. I think its very very important to help the NA scene. And you do that by simply providing more opportunities. The only thing that makes me as a euro fanboi a little bit sad it's that there could be some more euro spots/players. But its hard balance to get.
Overall awesome idea and i hope it works out and some NA players make a good showing.

ps: why no effort?
Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
September 13 2012 18:13 GMT
#190
On September 14 2012 03:11 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 02:06 MLG_Adam wrote:

As a company we will definitely be focusing more and more on North America, not exclusively but this region will be a priority. North American players winning, gaining confidence, getting better, etc. is great for the scene as a whole. We need there to be aspiration to be the best in North America, and that should not REQUIRE you moving to Seoul to prove it/make a living (at least in our opinion).



how do they get better when they are invited based on popularity?
how do they win when you place them against some of the best koreans in the world?

none of what mlg does as a league is compatible with making north american plays aspire to be the best they can be.

I agree.
The best way for MLG to help the NA scene is to have a weekly or every few days tourny (bigger than Playhem).
With MLG's backing it will actually be watched.
With IPL and NASL both having a ton of Koreans in their tournaments, MLG is only major organizer left in NA.

That's how you grow the scene, not by putting them against GSL Koreans and watching them get smashed.
Awesomeness
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany1361 Posts
September 13 2012 18:14 GMT
#191
On September 14 2012 03:09 Benjamin99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 02:52 butter wrote:
Why do we still have invite tournaments in 2012?


I agree. This is such a god dam horrible decision by MLG. Its a huge step backwards for the competitive sc2 scene. You were on the right track you had MLG Arena where the best players would qualify.

I cant stress this enough you will have players now who don't deserve to be there. Is this the sc2 scene we want? If we ever is going to have sc2 as a real sport you have to stop with this nonsense and allow the scene itself to determine who deserve these spots.

But Ok MLG just don't fucking complain when its only the Koreans and Stephano left in top 15. I really hope this will bite MLG in there ass


There would be a higher chance for top 15 being stephano and only koreans if the tournament was not invite only...The main MLG events will be free to enter anyway, so what's wrong with ONE invite tournament, with the invitees chosen based on past results?

Jesus, all people do is complain here.
xlord 5:0
MLG_Adam
Profile Joined July 2010
United States994 Posts
September 13 2012 18:15 GMT
#192
On September 14 2012 03:11 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 02:06 MLG_Adam wrote:

As a company we will definitely be focusing more and more on North America, not exclusively but this region will be a priority. North American players winning, gaining confidence, getting better, etc. is great for the scene as a whole. We need there to be aspiration to be the best in North America, and that should not REQUIRE you moving to Seoul to prove it/make a living (at least in our opinion).



how do they get better when they are invited based on popularity?
how do they win when you place them against some of the best koreans in the world?

none of what mlg does as a league is compatible with making north american plays aspire to be the best they can be.


Note this is not the final version of the MvP program, it is our invitational kickoff to introduce the program. Expect a more robust roll out for 2013.
Twitter: MrAdamAp
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
September 13 2012 18:17 GMT
#193
On September 14 2012 02:58 thOr6136 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 02:52 eviltomahawk wrote:
Awww, no ZerO, Reality, Baby, or even Flying. Baffling how Jaehoon managed to get in over Baby, but if it's based on Proleague rankings then that's understandable.

It'll be interesting to see how the non-Korean scene fares against the KeSPA players after seeing them best quite a few eSF players in these recent months. Will it be the beginning of the end, or will we see glimmers of real competition against the elephants?


baby = ty

but yeah no zero reality flying makes me sad too

Oh yeah. Dang it, I keep mixing up ty with (P)Tyson.

And Flying needs to change his Proleague theme song.
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 18:19:26
September 13 2012 18:18 GMT
#194
On September 14 2012 03:13 Condor Hero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 03:11 turdburgler wrote:
On September 14 2012 02:06 MLG_Adam wrote:

As a company we will definitely be focusing more and more on North America, not exclusively but this region will be a priority. North American players winning, gaining confidence, getting better, etc. is great for the scene as a whole. We need there to be aspiration to be the best in North America, and that should not REQUIRE you moving to Seoul to prove it/make a living (at least in our opinion).



how do they get better when they are invited based on popularity?
how do they win when you place them against some of the best koreans in the world?

none of what mlg does as a league is compatible with making north american plays aspire to be the best they can be.

I agree.
The best way for MLG to help the NA scene is to have a weekly or every few days tourny (bigger than Playhem).
With MLG's backing it will actually be watched.
With IPL and NASL both having a ton of Koreans in their tournaments, MLG is only major organizer left in NA.

That's how you grow the scene, not by putting them against GSL Koreans and watching them get smashed.


Exactly MLG wont be growing the NA scene. There is an old saying: Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime

MLG are giving the NA scene a fish. Europe is very good l8tly why? Because back when sc2 first started a lot of these players learned how to fish. While the NA scene was busy doing commercials.
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
Glurkenspurk
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1915 Posts
September 13 2012 18:18 GMT
#195
I've always wanted to watch north american players play kespa pros with cross server lag..

Groan.
markrevival
Profile Joined January 2012
United States222 Posts
September 13 2012 18:18 GMT
#196
should be interesting but that is such a tiny prize pool for such a big and long event
Alaiz
Profile Joined November 2011
France118 Posts
September 13 2012 18:19 GMT
#197
Why does the prize pool is so low? Will the championship have a better prize pool?
MLG_Adam
Profile Joined July 2010
United States994 Posts
September 13 2012 18:21 GMT
#198
On September 14 2012 03:19 Alaiz wrote:
Why does the prize pool is so low? Will the championship have a better prize pool?



Prize pool is $10,000 and 8 fully paid trips + group play for Dallas where there will be $76,000 up for grabs.
Twitter: MrAdamAp
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 18:34:31
September 13 2012 18:27 GMT
#199
The more I think about this the more absurd it is. Screw it enough of my nerd rage All I got to say whomever came up with this idea must be the same person who made the last MLG format. MLG is making a bloody mockery about the competitive sc2 Esport scene I truly care for.

Its almost ironic that an American company decides to go full socialist. May I suggest MLG that every player get payed the same price winning also just to make it more fair and more in line with the socialistic ideologies. That way you can support the NA scene even more. I'm sure MKP,MC,DRG,Stephano don't mind sharing there price winning with top 64
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
Megiddosc
Profile Joined April 2011
United States966 Posts
September 13 2012 18:28 GMT
#200
Seems like a pretty awesome tournament. If there are any from the NA players invited that can't make it then I'd love to see an invite to qxc. He can do well in these global-level tournaments.
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