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MLG vs Proleague Invitational and MLG Fall Season - Page 12

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heartlxp
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1258 Posts
September 13 2012 19:03 GMT
#221
incredible work MLG, i look forward to all of this, keep it up!
DeathSquire36
Profile Joined June 2011
United States167 Posts
September 13 2012 19:07 GMT
#222
On September 14 2012 03:29 Whitley wrote:
ON TOPIC
This is great all the popular players that will surely give us entertaining games. Good job MLG, this will be a lot of fun to watch.

OFF TOPIC
Stop complaining about everything possible.

Pretty much this. You'd think MLG walked into people's houses and kicked their dogs. An NA tournament giving spots to NA players; this isn't exactly a terrible thing.
Bonkarooni
Profile Joined October 2010
United States383 Posts
September 13 2012 19:08 GMT
#223
So this means that there is no fall Arena this season, and that the online qualifiers will seed straight into the open bracket at MLG?
MLG_Adam
Profile Joined July 2010
United States994 Posts
September 13 2012 19:09 GMT
#224
On September 14 2012 04:02 MLG_Adam wrote:
Thanks for all of the comments, complaints, suggestions, misc. praise, etc. We do read everything, I know I do at least. I can say with 100% certainty that I'm excited to be working full time on all of these broadcasts with MLG's first ever full time in house commentary team: Axlav and Axeltoss. We have never had full time talent and we're pretty stoked in the office to have these guys on our team



Oh yeah, forget this part:
Getting tons of questions twitter about Axlav. Although Nick will no longer be competing at MLG events, his full time employment will not prevent him from competing at other events or continuing his current streaming/lessons, in fact we encourage it. We want him to be one of the best Analytical casters out there and that is only possible through playing and tournament competition.
Twitter: MrAdamAp
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 19:12:46
September 13 2012 19:10 GMT
#225
I hope viOLet will count as an NA player. =D And hopefully Scarlett participates, otherwise NA will have no champion (as in a leader, not someone to actually be the champion of this tournament, though I would love to see that be viOLet). Would be nice if Idra competes in this just to see him back up against Kespa players, though I'm not sure how well he will actually do.

Also hoping the GSL players that compete are big names that will make it so this isn't just Kespa smashing everyone else. Hoping for atleast 1 of Squirtle/Seed/Creator/Parting. =D

Cool event though, I imagine it will draw a lot of viewers. Hopefully Tastosis will be casting atleast some of this, since if you want the best tournament you certainly need the best casters. ^_^ Axslav is a great caster though and I can't wait to be able to hear more from him.

On September 14 2012 04:11 MLG_Adam wrote:
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On September 14 2012 04:10 Hall0wed wrote:
I hope viOLet will count as an NA player. =D And hopefully Scarlett participates, otherwise NA will have no champion (as in a leader, not someone to actually be the champion of this tournament, though I would love to see that be viOLet). Would be nice if Idra competes in this just to see him back up against Kespa players, though I'm not sure how well he will actually do.

Also hoping the GSL players that compete are big names that will make it so this isn't just Kespa smashing everyone else. Hoping for atleast 1 of Squirtle/Seed/Creator/Parting. =D

Cool event though, I imagine it will draw a lot of viewers. Hopefully Tastosis will be casting atleast some of this, since if you want the best tournament you certainly need the best casters. ^_^


Violet not participating due to being in groups already from his Raleigh top 8.


Ah I see, well that is good for him but unfortunate for the rest of NA. Hope Scarlett is pressured into competing if available.
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MLG_Adam
Profile Joined July 2010
United States994 Posts
September 13 2012 19:11 GMT
#226
On September 14 2012 04:10 Hall0wed wrote:
I hope viOLet will count as an NA player. =D And hopefully Scarlett participates, otherwise NA will have no champion (as in a leader, not someone to actually be the champion of this tournament, though I would love to see that be viOLet). Would be nice if Idra competes in this just to see him back up against Kespa players, though I'm not sure how well he will actually do.

Also hoping the GSL players that compete are big names that will make it so this isn't just Kespa smashing everyone else. Hoping for atleast 1 of Squirtle/Seed/Creator/Parting. =D

Cool event though, I imagine it will draw a lot of viewers. Hopefully Tastosis will be casting atleast some of this, since if you want the best tournament you certainly need the best casters. ^_^


Violet not participating due to being in groups already from his Raleigh top 8.
Twitter: MrAdamAp
MLG Deimos
Profile Joined September 2010
United States652 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 19:12:31
September 13 2012 19:11 GMT
#227
On September 14 2012 04:08 Bonkarooni wrote:
So this means that there is no fall Arena this season, and that the online qualifiers will seed straight into the open bracket at MLG?

As everyone prepares to make Dallas the most insane event ever and we bring you new broadcast programming, we will no longer be holding the previously announced Arena activities.

The top players from each region of the Invite-Only Qualifiers will win all-expenses paid trips to the Fall Championship in Dallas on November 2-4, where they’ll start in Group Play.
Megiddosc
Profile Joined April 2011
United States966 Posts
September 13 2012 19:11 GMT
#228
And I assume that Axeltoss will still be able to cast ROOT events, provided of course that it doesn't interfere with anything he's doing with MLG? Happy for them both.
BoZiffer
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1841 Posts
September 13 2012 19:12 GMT
#229
Goose bumps. Pure. Adrenalin.
MLG_Adam
Profile Joined July 2010
United States994 Posts
September 13 2012 19:13 GMT
#230
On September 14 2012 04:11 Megiddosc wrote:
And I assume that Axeltoss will still be able to cast ROOT events, provided of course that it doesn't interfere with anything he's doing with MLG? Happy for them both.



Correct.They both need to prioritize their MLG work schedules, but we have no issue with them doing work outside of MLG.
Twitter: MrAdamAp
Mackus
Profile Joined January 2011
England1681 Posts
September 13 2012 19:13 GMT
#231
Axslav's and Axeltoss' employment is just contracted work and they're free to do anything when a MLG isnt happening - Take Bitterdam and NASL.
MLG_Adam
Profile Joined July 2010
United States994 Posts
September 13 2012 19:14 GMT
#232
On September 14 2012 04:13 Mackus wrote:
Axslav's and Axeltoss' employment is just contracted work and they're free to do anything when a MLG isnt happening - Take Bitterdam and NASL.



Kind of sort of. They are employees, just as Bitterdam are for NASL (they are not contractors)
Twitter: MrAdamAp
xrapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1644 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 19:15:12
September 13 2012 19:14 GMT
#233
Whelp, I've completely lost all interest in IEM's, Dreamhacks, Asus Rogs, Nasl's, IPL's, and etc because they can't even compare.

GJ, MLG. You've proven yet again you're the best league out there. All of TBLS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Everyone is either delusional, a nihlilst, or dead from suicide.
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 19:58:39
September 13 2012 19:16 GMT
#234
Also, somehow this made me more hyped for Halo 4 at Dallas. Going to really try to make the journey out to Dallas.
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Mackus
Profile Joined January 2011
England1681 Posts
September 13 2012 19:18 GMT
#235
On September 14 2012 04:14 MLG_Adam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 04:13 Mackus wrote:
Axslav's and Axeltoss' employment is just contracted work and they're free to do anything when a MLG isnt happening - Take Bitterdam and NASL.



Kind of sort of. They are employees, just as Bitterdam are for NASL (they are not contractors)


Maybe too soon to ask but any plans to re-introduce Pool Play this time round? It was my favourite part of any MLG.
Thurken
Profile Joined September 2011
961 Posts
September 13 2012 19:21 GMT
#236
On September 14 2012 02:06 MLG_Adam wrote:
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On September 14 2012 02:00 vthree wrote:
On September 14 2012 01:57 AndAgain wrote:
On September 14 2012 01:51 Resilient wrote:
MLG is an American company, with American sponsors(at least the DIVISION responsible for that region before you bring up things like benQ/Xperia etc). It should seem obvious that this is their key demographic. 12 NA players is bullshit if you look at it purely from a SC2 perspective, there would be like a handful invites max. But that's not good for business at all.

As long as the 12 invites are used properly, i.e. inviting up-and-comers and people who stand a realistic chance, then it should be great. I just hope they don't invite "personalities" who will crash and burn instantly all for the sake of a cheap pop. That is not sustainable at all.


But I don't think NA fans are all that into NA players. You got your Idra, Huk, may be Sheth, but then it drops off really quickly. Of course there's the Incontrols, Destinys, and Nonys of the world, but they're nowhere near competitive enough to warrant an invite.


I am sure MLG has more detail numbers on viewers on stream when certain matches are being played. Not sure how you can just make the statement NA fans aren't that into NA players with any numbers to support you.


Viewership is definitely affected by the presence of EU and NA players. It is a fact that viewership goes DOWN after the last 'foreigner' (hate that term) is eliminated.

As a company we will definitely be focusing more and more on North America, not exclusively but this region will be a priority. North American players winning, gaining confidence, getting better, etc. is great for the scene as a whole. We need there to be aspiration to be the best in North America, and that should not REQUIRE you moving to Seoul to prove it/make a living (at least in our opinion).

In any case, for those speculating about the invites, here is the list of players we have formally invited. We did NOT include the Top 8 from Raleigh as they are already in Group Play:
Korea/Taiwan
DongRaeGu
MarineKing
Alicia
MC
Puma
Mvp

Europe
Naniwa
Stephano
Sase
Sockeh
Grubby
Ret

North America
Huk
Idra
Select
Sheth
Sasquatch
Illusion
KawaiiRice
Hawk
Caliber
Scarlett
Vibe
Major
***THIS LIST IS INVITED PLAYERS, NOT CONFIRMED PLAYERS***

Also please remember that we still have online qualifiers for group play spots for KR, EU, and NA.

Edit: Top 8 from Raleigh that are already in Dallas Groups:
Leenock
First
Taeja
TheSTC
Hero
Violet
Revival, Heart


I find it very cool to see an event executive tell us the list of players he has invited even if they haven't accepted yet.
You always see locked up communication, and that's refreshing to see another approach. Besides that, great list!
Raid
Profile Joined September 2010
United States398 Posts
September 13 2012 19:25 GMT
#237
Shame on an American tournament event trying to give themselves more spots to try to gain more exposure in their own homeland for their own players. Tsk tsk tsk..
Megiddosc
Profile Joined April 2011
United States966 Posts
September 13 2012 19:33 GMT
#238
On September 14 2012 04:25 Raid wrote:
Shame on an American tournament event trying to give themselves more spots to try to gain more exposure in their own homeland for their own players. Tsk tsk tsk..

Guessing this is sarcasm, but pretty much all tournaments do this. Hell, Dreamhack usually only has 1 or 2 NA players and maybe 5-6 Koreans. MLG is one of the best tournaments in terms of diversity.
Balgrog
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1221 Posts
September 13 2012 19:35 GMT
#239
This is going to be fucking awesome! This is something I will definitely pay for for HD!
The only way to attack structure is with chaos.
aristarchus
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States652 Posts
September 13 2012 19:35 GMT
#240
So I'm not surprised at all, but it's really disappointing to see the favorable treatment being given to Kespa players. 24 spots for Kespa, 6 for the rest of Korea? That's just a guarantee that no matter what the actual balance of skill is, 80% of the Koreans will be Kespa. There is absolutely no fairness-based justification for that. It's just Kespa throwing its weight around and MLG deciding to do whatever gets it the most viewers/money. That's how you run a reality TV show, not a legitimate sport.

I really think the community needs to start seeing starcraft as more of a sport. There's room for debate about some format details (separating qualifiers by region, for example), but no tournament that gives players advantages in the competition because of their fame or money or what company they work for should be seen as a "major" by the community.

Why are we really upset when Kespa boycotts GSL, but not upset at all when they push the other Koreans out of MLG? Are we really dumb enough that only pushing them 80% of the way out fools us?
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