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Holloworb
Norway345 Posts
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
On September 14 2012 02:38 oGsTrueSmug wrote: Show nested quote + On September 14 2012 02:32 Darpa wrote: On September 14 2012 02:19 MLG_Adam wrote: On September 14 2012 02:15 TheSir wrote: On September 14 2012 02:06 MLG_Adam wrote: As a company we will definitely be focusing more and more on North America, not exclusively but this region will be a priority. Thats fine, but then stop telling that MLG's goal is to provide the highest level competitive gaming in the world Why? We have multiple avenues for global participation at our events. You're sensationalizing things as usual. For those asking about online qualifiers: http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/compete-in-the-fall-starcraft-ii-online-qualifiers I wouldnt bother justifying it Adam, there will be whiners regardless of who you invite. MLG tournaments are almost always the most competitive tournaments outside of GSL. Anyone who says otherwise is just flat out wrong. GIven the top 8 at raleigh, its more like 12 NA 6 Euro 14 Koreans. Realistically virtually everyone on that list of Koreans are a top tier competitors. OSL, Proleague, IPL, WCS, and Dreamhack would all like a word. uhh OSL and proleague werent even the same game until recently. IPL had 1 really tough event. WCS is only super high level in Korea (and this is the first iteration?), and Dreamhack is nowhere near as competitive... very few koreans attend, and the ones that do arent the DRG/MKP/MVP's of the world. Soo what was your point? | ||
TheDougler
Canada8304 Posts
On September 14 2012 03:38 Benjamin99 wrote: Show nested quote + On September 14 2012 03:29 Whitley wrote: ON TOPIC This is great all the popular players that will surely give us entertaining games. Good job MLG, this will be a lot of fun to watch. OFF TOPIC Stop complaining about everything possible. This is the worst thing that has happen to the competitive sc2 scene since well forever. This? Not the PPSL debacle? Not the super tournament seeds all turning their offers down? Not SC2 Confederation (or whatever the organization was before ESF) pulling out of NASL2? Inviting more North Americans in this particular MLG is the worst thing that has happened to the competitive sc2 scene? | ||
Tobblish
Sweden6404 Posts
To be fair I would like to see even qualified players being able to compete. Even if they wont get a spot they could get the money or something added if they win. | ||
yawnoC
United States3704 Posts
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Benjamin99
4176 Posts
On September 14 2012 05:24 TheDougler wrote: Show nested quote + On September 14 2012 03:38 Benjamin99 wrote: On September 14 2012 03:29 Whitley wrote: ON TOPIC This is great all the popular players that will surely give us entertaining games. Good job MLG, this will be a lot of fun to watch. OFF TOPIC Stop complaining about everything possible. This is the worst thing that has happen to the competitive sc2 scene since well forever. This? Not the PPSL debacle? Not the super tournament seeds all turning their offers down? Not SC2 Confederation (or whatever the organization was before ESF) pulling out of NASL2? Inviting more North Americans in this particular MLG is the worst thing that has happened to the competitive sc2 scene? Nothing to do who got invited its about going from a competitive sc2 format where the best players will qualify and will deserve there spots to some kind of socialistic format where some players will take a pool spot even if they placed much lower then the other players. Its a joke. Lets talk about a scenario. Stephano and DRG gets 3nd place and 4rd place in this tournament. Now this is an incredible good placement and should be rewarded however since MKP won the tournament and Naniwa took 2nd. Stephano and DRG will not be able to qualify to pool play. Instead 2 top 20-25 will get there spots. If this isn't fucked up I don't know what is. And MLG Adam you wrong its a disgrace to any competitive sport. Invites and unfair seeding based on country and popularity got no place in any professional sport. Lets just call MLG what it is: Entertainment . Because now its surdenly not a competition or a sport. Thanks for making a mockery out of the sc2 scene MLG | ||
-niL
Canada1131 Posts
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Belgium262 Posts
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Israel1818 Posts
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elagrion
Ukraine422 Posts
Its funny thou, how its 4 players from almost-last-placed KT and 3 players from top 2 two finishers (KHAN and CJ). | ||
Flytothesky
United States591 Posts
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Hens
Germany288 Posts
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astray71
United States325 Posts
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
Top 8 from Raleigh Top 8 from MvP tournament 8 from the NA/EU/KR qualifiers and then 8 more from the open bracket? | ||
Chytilova
United States790 Posts
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NoobSkills
United States1598 Posts
On September 14 2012 04:57 aristarchus wrote: Show nested quote + On September 14 2012 04:48 MLG_Adam wrote: On September 14 2012 04:41 Morieris wrote: On September 14 2012 04:35 aristarchus wrote: So I'm not surprised at all, but it's really disappointing to see the favorable treatment being given to Kespa players. 24 spots for Kespa, 6 for the rest of Korea? That's just a guarantee that no matter what the actual balance of skill is, 80% of the Koreans will be Kespa. There is absolutely no fairness-based justification for that. It's just Kespa throwing its weight around and MLG deciding to do whatever gets it the most viewers/money. That's how you run a reality TV show, not a legitimate sport. I really think the community needs to start seeing starcraft as more of a sport. There's room for debate about some format details (separating qualifiers by region, for example), but no tournament that gives players advantages in the competition because of their fame or money or what company they work for should be seen as a "major" by the community. Why are we really upset when Kespa boycotts GSL, but not upset at all when they push the other Koreans out of MLG? Are we really dumb enough that only pushing them 80% of the way out fools us? You do know MLG is partnered with Kespa, right? And that the event is called MLG vs Proleague. You also do realize this is a special event before the Fall Championship, which will once again be open to anyone who would like to play in it. MLG isn't pushing out non-Kespa players at all. They are putting this event on in an attempt to give people what they want to see, Kespa players in a legitimate tournament that involves non-Kespa players. They are pushing NA players with more spots most likely because it's an NA-based company, and it gives the NA players a chance to step up and legitimize themselves. There are 8 Koreans in Dallas group play already from Raleigh results, there will be more non Kespa Koreans added into group play from the KR only online qualifier, and even more non Kespa Koreans added into group play from the MvP program. So in fact, there are more Esports Federation players in group play with fullly paid trips than any other group/region of players. Sure, but those are based on the old results before the new system. If this continues, that percentage would obviously shift substantially over time. It's unfair to give one group of players an advantage in a competition. I don't care if there are three times as many ESF as Kespa players - if that happened in a system that was biased towards Kespa players, it means that the ESF player group as a whole deserves even more spots than that. No one is going to take MLG seriously as a sports-like competition if you don't take yourselves seriously first. Imagine if MLB gave the Yankees a 10 game handicap during the regular season because the owner of the Yankees refused to play under any other conditions. That's the same thing that's happening here, and the fact that the reaction against it isn't stronger is very good evidence that esports isn't a true sport yet. Please don't compare ESF players to the Yankees they don't have the money or the talent. Yes, this system will eventually bias the direction towards KESPA players and even now it does. So, what? Eventually KESPA will buy the talent off of the current ESF teams, so in the end the best players will be playing most regularly in MLG. | ||
ragz_gt
9172 Posts
On September 14 2012 06:01 NoobSkills wrote: Show nested quote + On September 14 2012 04:57 aristarchus wrote: On September 14 2012 04:48 MLG_Adam wrote: On September 14 2012 04:41 Morieris wrote: On September 14 2012 04:35 aristarchus wrote: So I'm not surprised at all, but it's really disappointing to see the favorable treatment being given to Kespa players. 24 spots for Kespa, 6 for the rest of Korea? That's just a guarantee that no matter what the actual balance of skill is, 80% of the Koreans will be Kespa. There is absolutely no fairness-based justification for that. It's just Kespa throwing its weight around and MLG deciding to do whatever gets it the most viewers/money. That's how you run a reality TV show, not a legitimate sport. I really think the community needs to start seeing starcraft as more of a sport. There's room for debate about some format details (separating qualifiers by region, for example), but no tournament that gives players advantages in the competition because of their fame or money or what company they work for should be seen as a "major" by the community. Why are we really upset when Kespa boycotts GSL, but not upset at all when they push the other Koreans out of MLG? Are we really dumb enough that only pushing them 80% of the way out fools us? You do know MLG is partnered with Kespa, right? And that the event is called MLG vs Proleague. You also do realize this is a special event before the Fall Championship, which will once again be open to anyone who would like to play in it. MLG isn't pushing out non-Kespa players at all. They are putting this event on in an attempt to give people what they want to see, Kespa players in a legitimate tournament that involves non-Kespa players. They are pushing NA players with more spots most likely because it's an NA-based company, and it gives the NA players a chance to step up and legitimize themselves. There are 8 Koreans in Dallas group play already from Raleigh results, there will be more non Kespa Koreans added into group play from the KR only online qualifier, and even more non Kespa Koreans added into group play from the MvP program. So in fact, there are more Esports Federation players in group play with fullly paid trips than any other group/region of players. Sure, but those are based on the old results before the new system. If this continues, that percentage would obviously shift substantially over time. It's unfair to give one group of players an advantage in a competition. I don't care if there are three times as many ESF as Kespa players - if that happened in a system that was biased towards Kespa players, it means that the ESF player group as a whole deserves even more spots than that. No one is going to take MLG seriously as a sports-like competition if you don't take yourselves seriously first. Imagine if MLB gave the Yankees a 10 game handicap during the regular season because the owner of the Yankees refused to play under any other conditions. That's the same thing that's happening here, and the fact that the reaction against it isn't stronger is very good evidence that esports isn't a true sport yet. Please don't compare ESF players to the Yankees they don't have the money or the talent. Yes, this system will eventually bias the direction towards KESPA players and even now it does. So, what? Eventually KESPA will buy the talent off of the current ESF teams, so in the end the best players will be playing most regularly in MLG. He was comparing KeSPA players to the Yankees FYI. | ||
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