• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 20:59
CEST 02:59
KST 09:59
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10
Community News
Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.162Rollback Netcode in Brood War995.0.17 Patch Notes - October 7, 202624Weekly Cups Results (Sep 28-Oct 4)0SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup10
StarCraft 2
General
SCII needs to put more weight on strategy and tact Server Blocker How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? 5.0.17 Patch Notes - October 7, 2026 ESL Pro Tour for SC2 discontinued
Tourneys
Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) $3,500 WardiTV Not-Summer Championship Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier RSL 2026 Offline Finals LCQ Sign-Ups
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror Mutation # 546 Catch the Train Mutation # 545 And Drops and Rifts
Brood War
General
Bot on ladder BW General Discussion Sagi.gg Launcher Released BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Rollback Netcode in Brood War
Tourneys
ASL 22 Finals [Women's StarCraft] MonstarZ vs Dreams 2026-10-15 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Semifinal B
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers Replay Review Process - What do you do?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV General RTS Discussion Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Artificial Intelligence Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
The Link Between Gaming and …
TrAiDoS
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 12482 users

Drama in MoW house. - Page 89

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 87 88 89 90 91 114 Next
Stop derailing with living cost talk

On September 13 2012 07:51 MinistryOfWin wrote:
Press Release:

http://www.ministryofwin.com/news/press-release-september-13th-2012

Stay tuned for the article on ESFIWORLD.com.

- Wednesday, Sep 12 10:51pm GMT (GMT+00:00)

On September 13 2012 08:02 MinistryOfWin wrote:
http://esfiworld.com/news/ministry-win-respond-fuzers-claims

- Wednesday, Sep 12 11:02pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 03:30:32
September 13 2012 03:28 GMT
#1761
Well lets sharpen the pitchforks everybody and burn down the mow house, because some guy on the internets actually claimed they treated him bad. Pretty good call, isnt it? xD
While we are at it, we may wanna bring up a new Destiny discussion up as well. Didnt we have quite some fun, destiny and the community? Or give out some yellow stars to people. Hmh that rang a bell, i dunno what it makes me remember
Broodwar for life!
FXOBoSs
Profile Joined August 2011
337 Posts
September 13 2012 03:29 GMT
#1762
I didn't read all the posts. But just going to go over a few things in this situation.

Firstly, a 10 yr non competition clause would never be able to be executed. Its kind of a joke really. 2 years is hard enough to enforce. Non comp, is standard but usually only is enforced if you steal someones clients.
Preventing someone from building a game house? Did you invent the gaming house mentality? Brb, sending the Koreans to sue you for stealing their ideas.. Please note I am being sarcastic.

The contract is a typical eastern european contract (no racism emplied). Its a power culture, and the contract is there to show power. Its normal, hell I do business there and I would probably have a contract similar (not so gross) that shows my power over the project.
The problem that MoW has failed to see is that they are not catering to polish people, but rather the world is seeing them. I know it doesn't sound exactly right, but their contracts should be written under US law. In an American way. Why? Because the majority of the viewers and players will be able to abide by that and will understand it better and won't take it as threatening. Cultural mistake there.

The cost of staying there + the streaming income. Another big joke. IF you are going to take income from someone you don't charge them margin on the cost to live there imo. Because your money is made from the fact they are streaming for you. 3-5 hours is do-able, but it doesn't achieve what the house was hyping itself up to be. So pick a side. Where are you going to make the money? From the stream? Or from the house? Double dipping something like that is kinda lame. I understand some people might be staying for free, so streaming income is probably the best option. The cost of things in poland already show you will turn a profit from the project regardless over time.

The other issue is, is it going to become a giant frat house with that much streaming going on? Correct answer, yes. Taking 5 hours out of a practice schedule in a day is one of the most insanely terrible things to do to someone who is trying to get better by gaming. Seriously, streaming saps energy (I stream to 20 viewers and by the end of it [3hours] I am always exhausted). So again, you have to pick a side, do you want to be a giant frat house that makes kids think everyone is a super star, or do you want people to become superstars by winning touranments?

From what I see, a whole bunch of stuff was really not planned or thought about before launching. Possibly the rush to make money was there I'm not sure. But a complete revamp of the model needs to occur immediately now, incase someone is fooled into thinking they will actually get better in a streaming environment.
www.twitter.com/gosutrading
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
September 13 2012 03:30 GMT
#1763
On September 13 2012 12:27 Gardel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 12:15 Whatson wrote:
On September 13 2012 12:13 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On September 13 2012 12:11 Whatson wrote:
On September 13 2012 12:08 Gardel wrote:
On September 13 2012 12:07 Whatson wrote:
On September 13 2012 12:02 Gardel wrote:
On September 13 2012 12:01 Yuen_pl wrote:
On September 13 2012 11:56 dacimvrl wrote:
On September 13 2012 11:43 Yuen_pl wrote:
[quote]

LOL man, i'm in this forum for something like 8 years. Don't try to make assumptions, really. I've never even spoken to any of MoW guys.



you totally convinced me dude. 8 years of not posting at all, then all of a sudden, some drama that doesn't even remotely convern you, you just hop in and defend a random side for no reason.


You can see my first posts are from 2009 and i joined several years before. But yeah, i was a MoW's man in hiding for three years, just waiting for a situation like that. Hurr durr.


Just admit it, or don´t talk on that account no more. You´ve been discovered, simple as that. I think it´s pretty lame you do that.

I myself am a smurf account of a MoW staff. Ever since this drama started, all of the hidden accounts and accounts that have were tailored for this kind of situation have been reactivated and reused to try to keep MoW afloat. This account was actually created a year ago (and used quite a bit) primarily for a situation like this.


WOw, bro what´s up with that post? Srsly!!!?!!!!!!!!

Yeah, a lot of the accounts that have been posting in here are actually "hidden" accounts for MoW. I'm actually going against MoW policy by using this account, but I feel like I really need to tell the TL community that there are a lot of hidden accounts used by the organization.

Can't tell if serio-- I mean, sincere.

Absolutely sincere, all of this comes from the heart. My moral obligations compound me to act.


Omg man!!! your posts imply a lot!! whats up with you?!!!

What do you mean?
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
September 13 2012 03:32 GMT
#1764
On September 13 2012 12:30 Whatson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 12:27 Gardel wrote:
On September 13 2012 12:15 Whatson wrote:
On September 13 2012 12:13 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On September 13 2012 12:11 Whatson wrote:
On September 13 2012 12:08 Gardel wrote:
On September 13 2012 12:07 Whatson wrote:
On September 13 2012 12:02 Gardel wrote:
On September 13 2012 12:01 Yuen_pl wrote:
On September 13 2012 11:56 dacimvrl wrote:
[quote]

you totally convinced me dude. 8 years of not posting at all, then all of a sudden, some drama that doesn't even remotely convern you, you just hop in and defend a random side for no reason.


You can see my first posts are from 2009 and i joined several years before. But yeah, i was a MoW's man in hiding for three years, just waiting for a situation like that. Hurr durr.


Just admit it, or don´t talk on that account no more. You´ve been discovered, simple as that. I think it´s pretty lame you do that.

I myself am a smurf account of a MoW staff. Ever since this drama started, all of the hidden accounts and accounts that have were tailored for this kind of situation have been reactivated and reused to try to keep MoW afloat. This account was actually created a year ago (and used quite a bit) primarily for a situation like this.


WOw, bro what´s up with that post? Srsly!!!?!!!!!!!!

Yeah, a lot of the accounts that have been posting in here are actually "hidden" accounts for MoW. I'm actually going against MoW policy by using this account, but I feel like I really need to tell the TL community that there are a lot of hidden accounts used by the organization.

Can't tell if serio-- I mean, sincere.

Absolutely sincere, all of this comes from the heart. My moral obligations compound me to act.


Omg man!!! your posts imply a lot!! whats up with you?!!!

What do you mean?


here, have a cookie mr. MOW hidden account guy (;
Broodwar for life!
Xorphene
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom492 Posts
September 13 2012 03:33 GMT
#1765
On September 13 2012 12:29 FXOBoSs wrote:
I didn't read all the posts. But just going to go over a few things in this situation.

Firstly, a 10 yr non competition clause would never be able to be executed. Its kind of a joke really. 2 years is hard enough to enforce. Non comp, is standard but usually only is enforced if you steal someones clients.
Preventing someone from building a game house? Did you invent the gaming house mentality? Brb, sending the Koreans to sue you for stealing their ideas.. Please note I am being sarcastic.

The contract is a typical eastern european contract (no racism emplied). Its a power culture, and the contract is there to show power. Its normal, hell I do business there and I would probably have a contract similar (not so gross) that shows my power over the project.
The problem that MoW has failed to see is that they are not catering to polish people, but rather the world is seeing them. I know it doesn't sound exactly right, but their contracts should be written under US law. In an American way. Why? Because the majority of the viewers and players will be able to abide by that and will understand it better and won't take it as threatening. Cultural mistake there.

The cost of staying there + the streaming income. Another big joke. IF you are going to take income from someone you don't charge them margin on the cost to live there imo. Because your money is made from the fact they are streaming for you. 3-5 hours is do-able, but it doesn't achieve what the house was hyping itself up to be. So pick a side. Where are you going to make the money? From the stream? Or from the house? Double dipping something like that is kinda lame. I understand some people might be staying for free, so streaming income is probably the best option. The cost of things in poland already show you will turn a profit from the project regardless over time.

The other issue is, is it going to become a giant frat house with that much streaming going on? Correct answer, yes. Taking 5 hours out of a practice schedule in a day is one of the most insanely terrible things to do to someone who is trying to get better by gaming. Seriously, streaming saps energy (I stream to 20 viewers and by the end of it [3hours] I am always exhausted). So again, you have to pick a side, do you want to be a giant frat house that makes kids think everyone is a super star, or do you want people to become superstars by winning touranments?

From what I see, a whole bunch of stuff was really not planned or thought about before launching. Possibly the rush to make money was there I'm not sure. But a complete revamp of the model needs to occur immediately now, incase someone is fooled into thinking they will actually get better in a streaming environment.


Superb post.
T: Polt, Fantasy, Flash, Jjakji. P: HerO, Rain, Grubby, SoS. Z: Jaedong, Scarlett, Snute, Life. Casters: ToD, Apollo, MrBitter, Artosis, Day[9].
dacimvrl
Profile Joined December 2011
Vatican City State582 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 03:35:30
September 13 2012 03:33 GMT
#1766
On September 13 2012 12:21 Yuen_pl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 12:13 dacimvrl wrote:
On September 13 2012 12:10 Yuen_pl wrote:

I'm Polish so it concerns me in that matter. I see people doing crazy drama instead of thinking logically and that pisses me of. That's all.

Fuck i gave you:
1. A statement made by a player who lived there

2. A statement made by MoW about the stream situation and Finnish guy behavior

3. Prices in Warsaw, trying to say 600e for MoW is not a rape in the ass.

But all i hear in return is that i am their shady acc and that my posting about Battlestar Galactica in 2009 was just Ninja tactics. Fuck, respond to what i wrote. Hell, not even me - people involved, who know the situation from the inside and tell us. If you prefer to accuse me of some crazy illogical shit instead, then there's something wrong with you.


Lol, crazy illogical shit you said? What kind of logic is - "I am Polish so this concerns me"?

seriously, give this a rest, this doesn't even remotely concern you, and no offense, you are the illogical one here.


Do you seriously think it's completely logical to accuse me of being a hidden MoW employee on a secret mission?

It concerns me cause some people are saying things like "yeah, it's Poland". And this is not only not fair but also disrespectful, regardless if the issue was really a MoW's fault or not.

Also - as i said - people went too much drama, so i try to show them real voices of the other side. Why do i have to tell that again?

I would gladly give this a rest and read some posts, that were written after reading and checking my arguments. Not posts clinging to the idea of me being some kind of hidden creature awaken after three year sleep by MoW shamans. Seriously - stop that and answer to by arguments.

so, what makes your voice the "real voice" of MoW? Their official statement doesn't even say anything, AT ALL, and yet you, who doesn't know anyone from MoW..etc. suddenly jumps out from nowhere claiming to be the REAL voice.

Dude, gimme a break.

If you want some REAL voice, read what FXOBoss said. Now, that's a REAL voice, and a brutally neutral/honest one.
Tiegrr
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States607 Posts
September 13 2012 03:34 GMT
#1767
On September 13 2012 12:29 FXOBoSs wrote:
I didn't read all the posts. But just going to go over a few things in this situation.

Firstly, a 10 yr non competition clause would never be able to be executed. Its kind of a joke really. 2 years is hard enough to enforce. Non comp, is standard but usually only is enforced if you steal someones clients.
Preventing someone from building a game house? Did you invent the gaming house mentality? Brb, sending the Koreans to sue you for stealing their ideas.. Please note I am being sarcastic.

The contract is a typical eastern european contract (no racism emplied). Its a power culture, and the contract is there to show power. Its normal, hell I do business there and I would probably have a contract similar (not so gross) that shows my power over the project.
The problem that MoW has failed to see is that they are not catering to polish people, but rather the world is seeing them. I know it doesn't sound exactly right, but their contracts should be written under US law. In an American way. Why? Because the majority of the viewers and players will be able to abide by that and will understand it better and won't take it as threatening. Cultural mistake there.

The cost of staying there + the streaming income. Another big joke. IF you are going to take income from someone you don't charge them margin on the cost to live there imo. Because your money is made from the fact they are streaming for you. 3-5 hours is do-able, but it doesn't achieve what the house was hyping itself up to be. So pick a side. Where are you going to make the money? From the stream? Or from the house? Double dipping something like that is kinda lame. I understand some people might be staying for free, so streaming income is probably the best option. The cost of things in poland already show you will turn a profit from the project regardless over time.

The other issue is, is it going to become a giant frat house with that much streaming going on? Correct answer, yes. Taking 5 hours out of a practice schedule in a day is one of the most insanely terrible things to do to someone who is trying to get better by gaming. Seriously, streaming saps energy (I stream to 20 viewers and by the end of it [3hours] I am always exhausted). So again, you have to pick a side, do you want to be a giant frat house that makes kids think everyone is a super star, or do you want people to become superstars by winning touranments?

From what I see, a whole bunch of stuff was really not planned or thought about before launching. Possibly the rush to make money was there I'm not sure. But a complete revamp of the model needs to occur immediately now, incase someone is fooled into thinking they will actually get better in a streaming environment.

Thanks for your insight.
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
September 13 2012 03:35 GMT
#1768
On September 13 2012 12:32 Cele wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 12:30 Whatson wrote:
On September 13 2012 12:27 Gardel wrote:
On September 13 2012 12:15 Whatson wrote:
On September 13 2012 12:13 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On September 13 2012 12:11 Whatson wrote:
On September 13 2012 12:08 Gardel wrote:
On September 13 2012 12:07 Whatson wrote:
On September 13 2012 12:02 Gardel wrote:
On September 13 2012 12:01 Yuen_pl wrote:
[quote]

You can see my first posts are from 2009 and i joined several years before. But yeah, i was a MoW's man in hiding for three years, just waiting for a situation like that. Hurr durr.


Just admit it, or don´t talk on that account no more. You´ve been discovered, simple as that. I think it´s pretty lame you do that.

I myself am a smurf account of a MoW staff. Ever since this drama started, all of the hidden accounts and accounts that have were tailored for this kind of situation have been reactivated and reused to try to keep MoW afloat. This account was actually created a year ago (and used quite a bit) primarily for a situation like this.


WOw, bro what´s up with that post? Srsly!!!?!!!!!!!!

Yeah, a lot of the accounts that have been posting in here are actually "hidden" accounts for MoW. I'm actually going against MoW policy by using this account, but I feel like I really need to tell the TL community that there are a lot of hidden accounts used by the organization.

Can't tell if serio-- I mean, sincere.

Absolutely sincere, all of this comes from the heart. My moral obligations compound me to act.


Omg man!!! your posts imply a lot!! whats up with you?!!!

What do you mean?


here, have a cookie mr. MOW hidden account guy (;

Thanks, I really need an internet cookie, it helps me realize that I am indeed doing the right thing by coming into the open about this.
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Gardel
Profile Joined April 2011
Mexico220 Posts
September 13 2012 03:35 GMT
#1769
On September 13 2012 12:29 FXOBoSs wrote:
I didn't read all the posts. But just going to go over a few things in this situation.

Firstly, a 10 yr non competition clause would never be able to be executed. Its kind of a joke really. 2 years is hard enough to enforce. Non comp, is standard but usually only is enforced if you steal someones clients.
Preventing someone from building a game house? Did you invent the gaming house mentality? Brb, sending the Koreans to sue you for stealing their ideas.. Please note I am being sarcastic.

The contract is a typical eastern european contract (no racism emplied). Its a power culture, and the contract is there to show power. Its normal, hell I do business there and I would probably have a contract similar (not so gross) that shows my power over the project.
The problem that MoW has failed to see is that they are not catering to polish people, but rather the world is seeing them. I know it doesn't sound exactly right, but their contracts should be written under US law. In an American way. Why? Because the majority of the viewers and players will be able to abide by that and will understand it better and won't take it as threatening. Cultural mistake there.

The cost of staying there + the streaming income. Another big joke. IF you are going to take income from someone you don't charge them margin on the cost to live there imo. Because your money is made from the fact they are streaming for you. 3-5 hours is do-able, but it doesn't achieve what the house was hyping itself up to be. So pick a side. Where are you going to make the money? From the stream? Or from the house? Double dipping something like that is kinda lame. I understand some people might be staying for free, so streaming income is probably the best option. The cost of things in poland already show you will turn a profit from the project regardless over time.

The other issue is, is it going to become a giant frat house with that much streaming going on? Correct answer, yes. Taking 5 hours out of a practice schedule in a day is one of the most insanely terrible things to do to someone who is trying to get better by gaming. Seriously, streaming saps energy (I stream to 20 viewers and by the end of it [3hours] I am always exhausted). So again, you have to pick a side, do you want to be a giant frat house that makes kids think everyone is a super star, or do you want people to become superstars by winning touranments?

From what I see, a whole bunch of stuff was really not planned or thought about before launching. Possibly the rush to make money was there I'm not sure. But a complete revamp of the model needs to occur immediately now, incase someone is fooled into thinking they will actually get better in a streaming environment.


Winner.
"And in the end, it's not the years in your life that count. It's the life in your years." Abraham Lincoln.
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
September 13 2012 03:36 GMT
#1770
FXOBoss speaks the truth good post BoSs!
Moderatorlickypiddy
lisward
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Singapore959 Posts
September 13 2012 03:41 GMT
#1771
On September 13 2012 12:28 Cele wrote:
Well lets sharpen the pitchforks everybody and burn down the mow house, because some guy on the internets actually claimed they treated him bad. Pretty good call, isnt it? xD
While we are at it, we may wanna bring up a new Destiny discussion up as well. Didnt we have quite some fun, destiny and the community? Or give out some yellow stars to people. Hmh that rang a bell, i dunno what it makes me remember

Yeah of course Fuzer is some random Internet person, and let's blindly defend people too.
Opinions are like phasers -- everybody ought to have one
TigerKarl
Profile Joined November 2010
1757 Posts
September 13 2012 03:42 GMT
#1772
Move along people, nothing to see here.

Oh, you don't feel like moving on.
Yuen_pl
Profile Joined January 2009
Poland15 Posts
September 13 2012 03:43 GMT
#1773
On September 13 2012 12:33 dacimvrl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 12:21 Yuen_pl wrote:
On September 13 2012 12:13 dacimvrl wrote:
On September 13 2012 12:10 Yuen_pl wrote:

I'm Polish so it concerns me in that matter. I see people doing crazy drama instead of thinking logically and that pisses me of. That's all.

Fuck i gave you:
1. A statement made by a player who lived there

2. A statement made by MoW about the stream situation and Finnish guy behavior

3. Prices in Warsaw, trying to say 600e for MoW is not a rape in the ass.

But all i hear in return is that i am their shady acc and that my posting about Battlestar Galactica in 2009 was just Ninja tactics. Fuck, respond to what i wrote. Hell, not even me - people involved, who know the situation from the inside and tell us. If you prefer to accuse me of some crazy illogical shit instead, then there's something wrong with you.


Lol, crazy illogical shit you said? What kind of logic is - "I am Polish so this concerns me"?

seriously, give this a rest, this doesn't even remotely concern you, and no offense, you are the illogical one here.


Do you seriously think it's completely logical to accuse me of being a hidden MoW employee on a secret mission?

It concerns me cause some people are saying things like "yeah, it's Poland". And this is not only not fair but also disrespectful, regardless if the issue was really a MoW's fault or not.

Also - as i said - people went too much drama, so i try to show them real voices of the other side. Why do i have to tell that again?

I would gladly give this a rest and read some posts, that were written after reading and checking my arguments. Not posts clinging to the idea of me being some kind of hidden creature awaken after three year sleep by MoW shamans. Seriously - stop that and answer to by arguments.

so, what makes your voice the "real voice" of MoW? Their official statement doesn't even say anything, AT ALL, and yet you, who doesn't know anyone from MoW..etc. suddenly jumps out from nowhere claiming to be the REAL voice.

Dude, gimme a break.

If you want some REAL voice, read what FXOBoss said. Now, that's a REAL voice, and a brutally neutral/honest one.


Man, at least read and understand what im saying. Where have i said i am the real voice? I QUOTED people who are real voices. All their posts (a player who lived there, and what it seems to be an official MoW account here), without cutting, shortening or anything. I also gave you completely neutral info about prices in Warsaw, since for some dude me being Polish wasn't enough to know.

My only thoughts were:
1. People do too much drama about a thing that should be left about business parties (player and MoW)
2. People should think more instead and listen to both sides
3. People should understand that perhaps some things are not as stated in 1st post.
4. 600e for MoW is IMO a good deal.

I can't make it really easier to understand man. Seriously.
AlgeriaT
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden2197 Posts
September 13 2012 03:43 GMT
#1774
On September 13 2012 12:29 FXOBoSs wrote:
I didn't read all the posts. But just going to go over a few things in this situation.

Firstly, a 10 yr non competition clause would never be able to be executed. Its kind of a joke really. 2 years is hard enough to enforce. Non comp, is standard but usually only is enforced if you steal someones clients.
Preventing someone from building a game house? Did you invent the gaming house mentality? Brb, sending the Koreans to sue you for stealing their ideas.. Please note I am being sarcastic.

The contract is a typical eastern european contract (no racism emplied). Its a power culture, and the contract is there to show power. Its normal, hell I do business there and I would probably have a contract similar (not so gross) that shows my power over the project.
The problem that MoW has failed to see is that they are not catering to polish people, but rather the world is seeing them. I know it doesn't sound exactly right, but their contracts should be written under US law. In an American way. Why? Because the majority of the viewers and players will be able to abide by that and will understand it better and won't take it as threatening. Cultural mistake there.

The cost of staying there + the streaming income. Another big joke. IF you are going to take income from someone you don't charge them margin on the cost to live there imo. Because your money is made from the fact they are streaming for you. 3-5 hours is do-able, but it doesn't achieve what the house was hyping itself up to be. So pick a side. Where are you going to make the money? From the stream? Or from the house? Double dipping something like that is kinda lame. I understand some people might be staying for free, so streaming income is probably the best option. The cost of things in poland already show you will turn a profit from the project regardless over time.

The other issue is, is it going to become a giant frat house with that much streaming going on? Correct answer, yes. Taking 5 hours out of a practice schedule in a day is one of the most insanely terrible things to do to someone who is trying to get better by gaming. Seriously, streaming saps energy (I stream to 20 viewers and by the end of it [3hours] I am always exhausted). So again, you have to pick a side, do you want to be a giant frat house that makes kids think everyone is a super star, or do you want people to become superstars by winning touranments?

From what I see, a whole bunch of stuff was really not planned or thought about before launching. Possibly the rush to make money was there I'm not sure. But a complete revamp of the model needs to occur immediately now, incase someone is fooled into thinking they will actually get better in a streaming environment.

Given the posts by LgNkarmy and Snute who have both lived at the MoW house, it seems that - while what you say may be true - such a revamp is already underway, that MoW are learning from their mistakes and that they in fact are not malicious in their intent. Did you read these posts? I ask because I fear that your post (given your status in the community) may add significantly to a bonfire of hate based purely on hearsay from one evicted player and possibly lead to an undue mailbombing of sponsors, as already instigated by several trolls/overly aggressive posters in this thread.
CORN GIRL + Flash + FanTaSy + CholeraSC + iNcontroL 4 eva <3
Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 03:47:15
September 13 2012 03:45 GMT
#1775
On September 13 2012 12:35 Whatson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 12:32 Cele wrote:
On September 13 2012 12:30 Whatson wrote:
On September 13 2012 12:27 Gardel wrote:
On September 13 2012 12:15 Whatson wrote:
On September 13 2012 12:13 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On September 13 2012 12:11 Whatson wrote:
On September 13 2012 12:08 Gardel wrote:
On September 13 2012 12:07 Whatson wrote:
On September 13 2012 12:02 Gardel wrote:
[quote]

Just admit it, or don´t talk on that account no more. You´ve been discovered, simple as that. I think it´s pretty lame you do that.

I myself am a smurf account of a MoW staff. Ever since this drama started, all of the hidden accounts and accounts that have were tailored for this kind of situation have been reactivated and reused to try to keep MoW afloat. This account was actually created a year ago (and used quite a bit) primarily for a situation like this.


WOw, bro what´s up with that post? Srsly!!!?!!!!!!!!

Yeah, a lot of the accounts that have been posting in here are actually "hidden" accounts for MoW. I'm actually going against MoW policy by using this account, but I feel like I really need to tell the TL community that there are a lot of hidden accounts used by the organization.

Can't tell if serio-- I mean, sincere.

Absolutely sincere, all of this comes from the heart. My moral obligations compound me to act.


Omg man!!! your posts imply a lot!! whats up with you?!!!

What do you mean?


here, have a cookie mr. MOW hidden account guy (;

Thanks, I really need an internet cookie, it helps me realize that I am indeed doing the right thing by coming into the open about this.


Yeah, it`s relieving to certainly show your true identity after all this years of posting and creating a legitimate appearance on TL with the whole purpose of acting on a sure to come shitstorm for mow, eh?
It's kinda similar for this account, as me and my colleagues pump it up in order to sell it to a foreign team, which name i cannot disclose, for a quite a sum. It's a neat business model i'd say and SINCE i see great possibilities in you, you may wanna PM me to see if you can do some work for our... organisation.
i can recommend my employees by saying we had a lot of satisfied customers that used our accounts in the Destiny incident, to defend blizz patch notes, saviors betting incident and many more. we need YOU, dont hesitate, $$$ is hwaiting!!!

€: my pride gets ahead of me but: i actually contributed an account that EG uses to muck up the haters when Geoff is afraid to do it on his own acc. Cool eh?
Broodwar for life!
dacimvrl
Profile Joined December 2011
Vatican City State582 Posts
September 13 2012 03:46 GMT
#1776
On September 13 2012 12:28 Cele wrote:
Well lets sharpen the pitchforks everybody and burn down the mow house, because some guy on the internets actually claimed they treated him bad. Pretty good call, isnt it? xD
While we are at it, we may wanna bring up a new Destiny discussion up as well. Didnt we have quite some fun, destiny and the community? Or give out some yellow stars to people. Hmh that rang a bell, i dunno what it makes me remember



It's not even that. I know, I know, you obviously are a Destiny fan, and you feel that he hasn't been fairly treated by the community et al. I am sorry, but that isn't even the case here.

This is an open discussion, not a witch hunt which some of you are making it out to be. There's no pblm calling out the shady businesses at all. TBH, I welcome the idea. Both parties can bring their sides of the story to the table, and let people be the judge.

This case, as it seems thus far,doesn't even remotely resemble a witch hunt.
RodrigoX
Profile Joined November 2009
United States645 Posts
September 13 2012 03:47 GMT
#1777
I think they should release the contract.
We were all raised on televion that made us believe we'd all be Millionairs, Movie gods, and Rockstars..... But we won't.... We are slowly learning that fact. And we are very, very pissed off.
Gardel
Profile Joined April 2011
Mexico220 Posts
September 13 2012 03:47 GMT
#1778
A lot of shady and bad practices have been discovered in this thread. WHat´s up with the greed of the companies??
"And in the end, it's not the years in your life that count. It's the life in your years." Abraham Lincoln.
greedyFarmer
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom21 Posts
September 13 2012 03:47 GMT
#1779
On September 13 2012 12:26 snexwang wrote:
Sounds like a pinch of butthurt with a dash of exaggerated truths. Moving on.


When he himself titles the post "Drama in the MoW House" you know he is not doing this simply to be a good member of the community
The unexamined life is not worth living
Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
September 13 2012 03:48 GMT
#1780
On September 13 2012 12:41 lisward wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 12:28 Cele wrote:
Well lets sharpen the pitchforks everybody and burn down the mow house, because some guy on the internets actually claimed they treated him bad. Pretty good call, isnt it? xD
While we are at it, we may wanna bring up a new Destiny discussion up as well. Didnt we have quite some fun, destiny and the community? Or give out some yellow stars to people. Hmh that rang a bell, i dunno what it makes me remember

Yeah of course Fuzer is some random Internet person, and let's blindly defend people too.

im not blindly defending, im saying don't get that frickin upset about stuff you people can't know for sure.
Broodwar for life!
Prev 1 87 88 89 90 91 114 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
08:00
OSC Elite Rising Star #21
CranKy Ducklings78
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ViBE178
ProTech169
CosmosSc2 34
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 2647
GuemChi 1739
Artosis 556
White-Ra 151
NaDa 43
Terrorterran 7
Dota 2
capcasts461
NeuroSwarm198
PGG 159
League of Legends
Doublelift2550
JimRising 607
Counter-Strike
taco 17
minikerr10
Other Games
summit1g5988
Coldzera 801
shahzam472
Day[9].tv350
FrodaN334
C9.Mang0321
PiGStarcraft215
Livibee170
WinterStarcraft28
[ Show 20 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• EnkiAlexander 49
• RyuSc2 40
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP20
• davetesta10
• Nickrosys1
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki14
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis1568
• Jankos1021
Other Games
• imaqtpie681
• Scarra580
• Shiphtur502
• Day9tv350
Upcoming Events
Online Event
10h 1m
Korean StarCraft League
1d 2h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 5h
Rush vs Soulkey
CranKy Ducklings
1d 9h
AI Arena Tournament
1d 15h
BSL Open Qualifier
1d 18h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
OSC
2 days
IPSL
2 days
BSL Open Qualifier
2 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Weekly
3 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
4 days
PiGosaur Cup
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Super Anchor Qualifying S3
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Copium Cup

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
Acropolis #5
HCC Season 3
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.