EPTWhile we are at it, we may wanna bring up a new Destiny discussion up as well. Didnt we have quite some fun, destiny and the community? Or give out some yellow stars to people. Hmh that rang a bell, i dunno what it makes me remember
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Stop derailing with living cost talk On September 13 2012 07:51 MinistryOfWin wrote: Press Release: http://www.ministryofwin.com/news/press-release-september-13th-2012 Stay tuned for the article on ESFIWORLD.com. - Wednesday, Sep 12 10:51pm GMT (GMT+00:00) On September 13 2012 08:02 MinistryOfWin wrote: http://esfiworld.com/news/ministry-win-respond-fuzers-claims - Wednesday, Sep 12 11:02pm GMT (GMT+00:00) | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
While we are at it, we may wanna bring up a new Destiny discussion up as well. Didnt we have quite some fun, destiny and the community? Or give out some yellow stars to people. Hmh that rang a bell, i dunno what it makes me remember | ||
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FXOBoSs
337 Posts
Firstly, a 10 yr non competition clause would never be able to be executed. Its kind of a joke really. 2 years is hard enough to enforce. Non comp, is standard but usually only is enforced if you steal someones clients. Preventing someone from building a game house? Did you invent the gaming house mentality? Brb, sending the Koreans to sue you for stealing their ideas.. Please note I am being sarcastic. The contract is a typical eastern european contract (no racism emplied). Its a power culture, and the contract is there to show power. Its normal, hell I do business there and I would probably have a contract similar (not so gross) that shows my power over the project. The problem that MoW has failed to see is that they are not catering to polish people, but rather the world is seeing them. I know it doesn't sound exactly right, but their contracts should be written under US law. In an American way. Why? Because the majority of the viewers and players will be able to abide by that and will understand it better and won't take it as threatening. Cultural mistake there. The cost of staying there + the streaming income. Another big joke. IF you are going to take income from someone you don't charge them margin on the cost to live there imo. Because your money is made from the fact they are streaming for you. 3-5 hours is do-able, but it doesn't achieve what the house was hyping itself up to be. So pick a side. Where are you going to make the money? From the stream? Or from the house? Double dipping something like that is kinda lame. I understand some people might be staying for free, so streaming income is probably the best option. The cost of things in poland already show you will turn a profit from the project regardless over time. The other issue is, is it going to become a giant frat house with that much streaming going on? Correct answer, yes. Taking 5 hours out of a practice schedule in a day is one of the most insanely terrible things to do to someone who is trying to get better by gaming. Seriously, streaming saps energy (I stream to 20 viewers and by the end of it [3hours] I am always exhausted). So again, you have to pick a side, do you want to be a giant frat house that makes kids think everyone is a super star, or do you want people to become superstars by winning touranments? From what I see, a whole bunch of stuff was really not planned or thought about before launching. Possibly the rush to make money was there I'm not sure. But a complete revamp of the model needs to occur immediately now, incase someone is fooled into thinking they will actually get better in a streaming environment. | ||
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Whatson
United States5357 Posts
On September 13 2012 12:27 Gardel wrote: Omg man!!! your posts imply a lot!! whats up with you?!!! What do you mean? | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
here, have a cookie mr. MOW hidden account guy (; | ||
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Xorphene
United Kingdom492 Posts
On September 13 2012 12:29 FXOBoSs wrote: I didn't read all the posts. But just going to go over a few things in this situation. Firstly, a 10 yr non competition clause would never be able to be executed. Its kind of a joke really. 2 years is hard enough to enforce. Non comp, is standard but usually only is enforced if you steal someones clients. Preventing someone from building a game house? Did you invent the gaming house mentality? Brb, sending the Koreans to sue you for stealing their ideas.. Please note I am being sarcastic. The contract is a typical eastern european contract (no racism emplied). Its a power culture, and the contract is there to show power. Its normal, hell I do business there and I would probably have a contract similar (not so gross) that shows my power over the project. The problem that MoW has failed to see is that they are not catering to polish people, but rather the world is seeing them. I know it doesn't sound exactly right, but their contracts should be written under US law. In an American way. Why? Because the majority of the viewers and players will be able to abide by that and will understand it better and won't take it as threatening. Cultural mistake there. The cost of staying there + the streaming income. Another big joke. IF you are going to take income from someone you don't charge them margin on the cost to live there imo. Because your money is made from the fact they are streaming for you. 3-5 hours is do-able, but it doesn't achieve what the house was hyping itself up to be. So pick a side. Where are you going to make the money? From the stream? Or from the house? Double dipping something like that is kinda lame. I understand some people might be staying for free, so streaming income is probably the best option. The cost of things in poland already show you will turn a profit from the project regardless over time. The other issue is, is it going to become a giant frat house with that much streaming going on? Correct answer, yes. Taking 5 hours out of a practice schedule in a day is one of the most insanely terrible things to do to someone who is trying to get better by gaming. Seriously, streaming saps energy (I stream to 20 viewers and by the end of it [3hours] I am always exhausted). So again, you have to pick a side, do you want to be a giant frat house that makes kids think everyone is a super star, or do you want people to become superstars by winning touranments? From what I see, a whole bunch of stuff was really not planned or thought about before launching. Possibly the rush to make money was there I'm not sure. But a complete revamp of the model needs to occur immediately now, incase someone is fooled into thinking they will actually get better in a streaming environment. Superb post. | ||
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dacimvrl
Vatican City State582 Posts
On September 13 2012 12:21 Yuen_pl wrote: Do you seriously think it's completely logical to accuse me of being a hidden MoW employee on a secret mission? It concerns me cause some people are saying things like "yeah, it's Poland". And this is not only not fair but also disrespectful, regardless if the issue was really a MoW's fault or not. Also - as i said - people went too much drama, so i try to show them real voices of the other side. Why do i have to tell that again? I would gladly give this a rest and read some posts, that were written after reading and checking my arguments. Not posts clinging to the idea of me being some kind of hidden creature awaken after three year sleep by MoW shamans. Seriously - stop that and answer to by arguments. so, what makes your voice the "real voice" of MoW? Their official statement doesn't even say anything, AT ALL, and yet you, who doesn't know anyone from MoW..etc. suddenly jumps out from nowhere claiming to be the REAL voice. Dude, gimme a break. If you want some REAL voice, read what FXOBoss said. Now, that's a REAL voice, and a brutally neutral/honest one. | ||
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Tiegrr
United States607 Posts
On September 13 2012 12:29 FXOBoSs wrote: I didn't read all the posts. But just going to go over a few things in this situation. Firstly, a 10 yr non competition clause would never be able to be executed. Its kind of a joke really. 2 years is hard enough to enforce. Non comp, is standard but usually only is enforced if you steal someones clients. Preventing someone from building a game house? Did you invent the gaming house mentality? Brb, sending the Koreans to sue you for stealing their ideas.. Please note I am being sarcastic. The contract is a typical eastern european contract (no racism emplied). Its a power culture, and the contract is there to show power. Its normal, hell I do business there and I would probably have a contract similar (not so gross) that shows my power over the project. The problem that MoW has failed to see is that they are not catering to polish people, but rather the world is seeing them. I know it doesn't sound exactly right, but their contracts should be written under US law. In an American way. Why? Because the majority of the viewers and players will be able to abide by that and will understand it better and won't take it as threatening. Cultural mistake there. The cost of staying there + the streaming income. Another big joke. IF you are going to take income from someone you don't charge them margin on the cost to live there imo. Because your money is made from the fact they are streaming for you. 3-5 hours is do-able, but it doesn't achieve what the house was hyping itself up to be. So pick a side. Where are you going to make the money? From the stream? Or from the house? Double dipping something like that is kinda lame. I understand some people might be staying for free, so streaming income is probably the best option. The cost of things in poland already show you will turn a profit from the project regardless over time. The other issue is, is it going to become a giant frat house with that much streaming going on? Correct answer, yes. Taking 5 hours out of a practice schedule in a day is one of the most insanely terrible things to do to someone who is trying to get better by gaming. Seriously, streaming saps energy (I stream to 20 viewers and by the end of it [3hours] I am always exhausted). So again, you have to pick a side, do you want to be a giant frat house that makes kids think everyone is a super star, or do you want people to become superstars by winning touranments? From what I see, a whole bunch of stuff was really not planned or thought about before launching. Possibly the rush to make money was there I'm not sure. But a complete revamp of the model needs to occur immediately now, incase someone is fooled into thinking they will actually get better in a streaming environment. Thanks for your insight. | ||
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Whatson
United States5357 Posts
On September 13 2012 12:32 Cele wrote: here, have a cookie mr. MOW hidden account guy (; Thanks, I really need an internet cookie, it helps me realize that I am indeed doing the right thing by coming into the open about this. | ||
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Gardel
Mexico220 Posts
On September 13 2012 12:29 FXOBoSs wrote: I didn't read all the posts. But just going to go over a few things in this situation. Firstly, a 10 yr non competition clause would never be able to be executed. Its kind of a joke really. 2 years is hard enough to enforce. Non comp, is standard but usually only is enforced if you steal someones clients. Preventing someone from building a game house? Did you invent the gaming house mentality? Brb, sending the Koreans to sue you for stealing their ideas.. Please note I am being sarcastic. The contract is a typical eastern european contract (no racism emplied). Its a power culture, and the contract is there to show power. Its normal, hell I do business there and I would probably have a contract similar (not so gross) that shows my power over the project. The problem that MoW has failed to see is that they are not catering to polish people, but rather the world is seeing them. I know it doesn't sound exactly right, but their contracts should be written under US law. In an American way. Why? Because the majority of the viewers and players will be able to abide by that and will understand it better and won't take it as threatening. Cultural mistake there. The cost of staying there + the streaming income. Another big joke. IF you are going to take income from someone you don't charge them margin on the cost to live there imo. Because your money is made from the fact they are streaming for you. 3-5 hours is do-able, but it doesn't achieve what the house was hyping itself up to be. So pick a side. Where are you going to make the money? From the stream? Or from the house? Double dipping something like that is kinda lame. I understand some people might be staying for free, so streaming income is probably the best option. The cost of things in poland already show you will turn a profit from the project regardless over time. The other issue is, is it going to become a giant frat house with that much streaming going on? Correct answer, yes. Taking 5 hours out of a practice schedule in a day is one of the most insanely terrible things to do to someone who is trying to get better by gaming. Seriously, streaming saps energy (I stream to 20 viewers and by the end of it [3hours] I am always exhausted). So again, you have to pick a side, do you want to be a giant frat house that makes kids think everyone is a super star, or do you want people to become superstars by winning touranments? From what I see, a whole bunch of stuff was really not planned or thought about before launching. Possibly the rush to make money was there I'm not sure. But a complete revamp of the model needs to occur immediately now, incase someone is fooled into thinking they will actually get better in a streaming environment. Winner. | ||
NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
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lisward
Singapore959 Posts
On September 13 2012 12:28 Cele wrote: Well lets sharpen the pitchforks everybody and burn down the mow house, because some guy on the internets actually claimed they treated him bad. Pretty good call, isnt it? xD While we are at it, we may wanna bring up a new Destiny discussion up as well. Didnt we have quite some fun, destiny and the community? Or give out some yellow stars to people. Hmh that rang a bell, i dunno what it makes me remember Yeah of course Fuzer is some random Internet person, and let's blindly defend people too. | ||
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TigerKarl
1757 Posts
Oh, you don't feel like moving on. | ||
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Yuen_pl
Poland15 Posts
On September 13 2012 12:33 dacimvrl wrote: so, what makes your voice the "real voice" of MoW? Their official statement doesn't even say anything, AT ALL, and yet you, who doesn't know anyone from MoW..etc. suddenly jumps out from nowhere claiming to be the REAL voice. Dude, gimme a break. If you want some REAL voice, read what FXOBoss said. Now, that's a REAL voice, and a brutally neutral/honest one. Man, at least read and understand what im saying. Where have i said i am the real voice? I QUOTED people who are real voices. All their posts (a player who lived there, and what it seems to be an official MoW account here), without cutting, shortening or anything. I also gave you completely neutral info about prices in Warsaw, since for some dude me being Polish wasn't enough to know. My only thoughts were: 1. People do too much drama about a thing that should be left about business parties (player and MoW) 2. People should think more instead and listen to both sides 3. People should understand that perhaps some things are not as stated in 1st post. 4. 600e for MoW is IMO a good deal. I can't make it really easier to understand man. Seriously. | ||
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AlgeriaT
Sweden2197 Posts
On September 13 2012 12:29 FXOBoSs wrote: I didn't read all the posts. But just going to go over a few things in this situation. Firstly, a 10 yr non competition clause would never be able to be executed. Its kind of a joke really. 2 years is hard enough to enforce. Non comp, is standard but usually only is enforced if you steal someones clients. Preventing someone from building a game house? Did you invent the gaming house mentality? Brb, sending the Koreans to sue you for stealing their ideas.. Please note I am being sarcastic. The contract is a typical eastern european contract (no racism emplied). Its a power culture, and the contract is there to show power. Its normal, hell I do business there and I would probably have a contract similar (not so gross) that shows my power over the project. The problem that MoW has failed to see is that they are not catering to polish people, but rather the world is seeing them. I know it doesn't sound exactly right, but their contracts should be written under US law. In an American way. Why? Because the majority of the viewers and players will be able to abide by that and will understand it better and won't take it as threatening. Cultural mistake there. The cost of staying there + the streaming income. Another big joke. IF you are going to take income from someone you don't charge them margin on the cost to live there imo. Because your money is made from the fact they are streaming for you. 3-5 hours is do-able, but it doesn't achieve what the house was hyping itself up to be. So pick a side. Where are you going to make the money? From the stream? Or from the house? Double dipping something like that is kinda lame. I understand some people might be staying for free, so streaming income is probably the best option. The cost of things in poland already show you will turn a profit from the project regardless over time. The other issue is, is it going to become a giant frat house with that much streaming going on? Correct answer, yes. Taking 5 hours out of a practice schedule in a day is one of the most insanely terrible things to do to someone who is trying to get better by gaming. Seriously, streaming saps energy (I stream to 20 viewers and by the end of it [3hours] I am always exhausted). So again, you have to pick a side, do you want to be a giant frat house that makes kids think everyone is a super star, or do you want people to become superstars by winning touranments? From what I see, a whole bunch of stuff was really not planned or thought about before launching. Possibly the rush to make money was there I'm not sure. But a complete revamp of the model needs to occur immediately now, incase someone is fooled into thinking they will actually get better in a streaming environment. Given the posts by LgNkarmy and Snute who have both lived at the MoW house, it seems that - while what you say may be true - such a revamp is already underway, that MoW are learning from their mistakes and that they in fact are not malicious in their intent. Did you read these posts? I ask because I fear that your post (given your status in the community) may add significantly to a bonfire of hate based purely on hearsay from one evicted player and possibly lead to an undue mailbombing of sponsors, as already instigated by several trolls/overly aggressive posters in this thread. | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On September 13 2012 12:35 Whatson wrote: Thanks, I really need an internet cookie, it helps me realize that I am indeed doing the right thing by coming into the open about this. Yeah, it`s relieving to certainly show your true identity after all this years of posting and creating a legitimate appearance on TL with the whole purpose of acting on a sure to come shitstorm for mow, eh? It's kinda similar for this account, as me and my colleagues pump it up in order to sell it to a foreign team, which name i cannot disclose, for a quite a sum. It's a neat business model i'd say and SINCE i see great possibilities in you, you may wanna PM me to see if you can do some work for our... organisation. i can recommend my employees by saying we had a lot of satisfied customers that used our accounts in the Destiny incident, to defend blizz patch notes, saviors betting incident and many more. we need YOU, dont hesitate, $$$ is hwaiting!!! €: my pride gets ahead of me but: i actually contributed an account that EG uses to muck up the haters when Geoff is afraid to do it on his own acc. Cool eh? | ||
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dacimvrl
Vatican City State582 Posts
On September 13 2012 12:28 Cele wrote: Well lets sharpen the pitchforks everybody and burn down the mow house, because some guy on the internets actually claimed they treated him bad. Pretty good call, isnt it? xD While we are at it, we may wanna bring up a new Destiny discussion up as well. Didnt we have quite some fun, destiny and the community? Or give out some yellow stars to people. Hmh that rang a bell, i dunno what it makes me remember It's not even that. I know, I know, you obviously are a Destiny fan, and you feel that he hasn't been fairly treated by the community et al. I am sorry, but that isn't even the case here. This is an open discussion, not a witch hunt which some of you are making it out to be. There's no pblm calling out the shady businesses at all. TBH, I welcome the idea. Both parties can bring their sides of the story to the table, and let people be the judge. This case, as it seems thus far,doesn't even remotely resemble a witch hunt. | ||
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RodrigoX
United States645 Posts
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Gardel
Mexico220 Posts
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greedyFarmer
United Kingdom21 Posts
On September 13 2012 12:26 snexwang wrote: Sounds like a pinch of butthurt with a dash of exaggerated truths. Moving on. When he himself titles the post "Drama in the MoW House" you know he is not doing this simply to be a good member of the community | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On September 13 2012 12:41 lisward wrote: Yeah of course Fuzer is some random Internet person, and let's blindly defend people too. im not blindly defending, im saying don't get that frickin upset about stuff you people can't know for sure. | ||
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8 years of not posting at all, then all of a sudden, some drama that doesn't even remotely convern you, you just hop in and defend a random side for no reason. 
