Drama in MoW house. - Page 87

On September 13 2012 11:26 Xorphene wrote:


Poland is one of the cheapest European countries in which to live, FACT. Even Warsaw. With the greatest of respect, Poland is a developing country.

Please expand on the "huge opportunities to develop as a player".

Building practice partner networks is free. You can buy coaching from fellow/senior professionals. Charging 600€ a month plus a stream cut is exorbitant.

About the stream cut, and as for response to other people. Here's what MoW apparently said (this was pasted on Polish forum, but it's from here):

MinistryOfWin Poland. September 13 2012 08:23. Posts 68 PM Profile Report Quote #
We didn't wanted to start the flame war but to complete this in civilized manner. Fuzer was reprimanded more than 10 times, about cleaning his room, keeping the gaming room clean, nothing helped. We have decided that we will sign the contract as soon as possible so we can enforce the house rules on him, but he declined. He declined second time.

Streaming time - quote from the contract: 150 hours per month, unless having a series of training events or trips to StarCraft II tournaments. We are all humans, we are not forcing the players to stream 4 hours a day.

Streaming ad-revenue: Thanks to strategic partnership with Twitch, players living in the house still can earn more money from ad-revenue than they normally could, Fuzer didn't even had any partnership before that.

On September 13 2012 11:33 Xorphene wrote:


Get some context.

On September 13 2012 09:38 Snute wrote:
It's funny. I remember my only words to Fuzer during my stay at the whole Battle at Ministry of Win tournament were these:
"You need to take this seriously, you know." after 3-1. Somewhere inside I was cheering for him.

Now this.

Let's just say there's a reason some people get caught up into trouble and some people don't.

Chill is a wise man, he said it like this:
"Guess what? If you don't like it, then don't live there. This is a privately-run house."

The thing is... You can complain a lot. The house is not perfect and now this. But you cannot take away the fact that they had the balls to try set up a gaming house in Europe, and they are still going at it, gathering some of Europe's finest players. I love that place. Not necessarily because it's a good house with all its fancy features, but because it's a place where people gather with the same dreams, hopes and goals - to improve. And not many people in Europe have the balls to do such a thing. The people make the place unique. People that leave everything behind for one simple purpose - self-improvement. Do you even know what it's like? This is currently the ONLY place in Europe that allows SC2-players to gather like this.

People were talking shit about how an European house would not help any of the players even before I got there! How it wouldn't make a difference. I can tell you, it did make a difference for me. At the very least I'm glad I didn't have to share house with skeptic people like those not even giving an European pro-house a chance to begin with. Those of you who don't believe in a combined fighting spirit are the ones who are contributing to us getting our asses kicked every time we meet a Korean. They are a bit closer to each other than we are, you know? They don't rest on their laurels after a loss. They are not the ones who say "Give up, it's impossible. Why even try."

Not taking sides here, but to be constructive regarding the gaming house situation in Europe ... Maybe some of you guys should put together a gaming house and show how us all how it's done? We are all united through the Internet after all. Let us create something beautiful. Set up your own house, I'll be happy to visit you. Or maybe you can apply for a job at a gaming house? Do something.

I lived in the Ministry of Win for months. I am that quiet kid in the back of the class, the 'good guy above all this shit'. What I have to say? I paid for the months, got what I wanted, told the managers whenever something was wrong, told them whatever was unacceptable, helped improve shit. If I needed something, I told them and they would fix it, although being short on manpower they fixed it as fast as they could. If I was to go back there now, I'd have zero troubles. Their setup is really good now. The Battle tournament was amazing. The current players are awesome. I would tell them if I was not happy with food. I would tell them to fix their stuff if something was wrong.

If there was any issue I'd just tell them straight up.

They never bitched about me not streaming as much. In the beginning there were some net issues that are fixed now. I was travelling a lot too. They were understanding. I'm sure if someone were smurfing/preparing for something truly important they would be understanding of that too. This is something you as a player can ASK about before you go there, if you so desire. If you don't like the response then negotiate more or don't go.

I went into this house with high ideals. Ideals I still hold. And I got what I came for. Good months of hard practice. Even though I'm still shit compared to the powerhouses you look up to, the people I look up to - stepha, nerchio, scarlett, etc - I've improved. I improved lots, made friends and experienced a new country, new impressions. I got what I wanted and I'm happy with the time I spent. I had the balls to go there and have no regrets.

If you don't want bad things to happen in your life then stop getting yourself into crappy situations, it's that simple. Why do you allow yourself to get into such spots in the first place? Check stuff out BEFORE you get on those planes and come prepared. Cooperate and don't be lazy when issues arise. If it takes less than five minutes to do just )$(!)#( do it !!

I'm not taking sides. I'm just here to be constructive, get some of my own experience out there while I work on my badass rocket ride to Korea.

On September 13 2012 11:37 Dodgin wrote:
So I read the press release, and it sounds like It's a press release that says nothing. Am I missing something here?

On September 13 2012 11:19 Yuen_pl wrote:

For me the guy was stupid. Sorry, but it's common sense to make sure everything is legally right - when i went to UK to work it'd be a suicide to do something like that. The MoW's boss agreed to give him the money back really quickly in fact, and he should take it. No hard feelings. A misunderstanding, some people are not meant to cooperate. But he decided to go tabloid about it. I don't like that. Every time something like that happens, people tend to exaggerate and make drama about it. It's fucked up IMO, but that's how it works.

On September 13 2012 11:39 WilDMousE wrote:
Feels kinda shady to find some low post people from the exact same country trying to "save" MoW.

On September 13 2012 11:40 Yuen_pl wrote:


Come on, i live in Poland, i know the prices.

Check this out man:
http://tinyurl.com/8jk9uzh

Renting a place alone is ~400 euros in Warsaw. Add things like the fact it's a big house, not a 1bedroom apartment, that you get food included that's cooked for you, you get a gym, a training plan, a coach who's there for you and the company has to make a profit. 600e is actually pretty cheap.

As for opportunities - it's quite different to build a network of guys over the Internet compared to actually living together, don't you think?

On September 13 2012 11:43 Yuen_pl wrote:


LOL man, i'm in this forum for something like 8 years. Don't try to make assumptions, really. I've never even spoken to any of MoW guys.

On September 13 2012 11:41 Awesomeness wrote:


oh well fuck me didn't read the post you were replying to. Getting tired here myself, way too much bullshit in this thread overall. :/

On September 13 2012 11:46 Xorphene wrote:


You really should apologise to me now dude - whilst reading and replying I missed the extremely hot Lauren Elise on the NASL stream!

On September 13 2012 11:48 Awesomeness wrote:


I did too.

We are both idiots for even posting here man.

On September 13 2012 10:52 mr_tolkien wrote:

Well maybe with that kind of thinking we'll finally get an inControl/IdrA sex tape one day.

On September 13 2012 11:50 Doodsmack wrote:
ROFL @ all the drama queens acting like they care about this story. It honestly just baffles me why anyone would give a flying fuck about this. It doesn't involve you...at all. It has zero effect on you or esports. So please, join me in playing some SC2 .

LgNkarmy Canada. September 13 2012 09:03. Posts 492 PM Profile Blog Report Quote #
Okay guys I want to clear a few things. As some of you know I also lived in Ministry of Win. I was one of the first players to move into the house, roughly a week after they opened their doors to the public. I want to just add my opinion and my experience. While living in the MoW house there were obvious errors due to inexperience, It happens. The house is still new, the whole concept of the house is new, They're doing everything on their own. They don't have another pro house to get tips from, They have to trial and error everything themselves. Mistakes are going to happen.

With that said, The contract was a bit confusing at first but they gave everyone in the house a full day to sit down together and point out what we didn't like and what we wanted to change. They were very receptive to our changes. Everything we weren't comfortable with they changed, and if we didn't understand something they clarified it. I had no problems with the contract after we all re-worked it. Players saying the NDA are keeping them from not saying anything isn't true. The NDA never said anything about not talking badly about MoW or talking about what happened within the house. They just want to make sure that we don't tell out company secrets to competitors since they were the first of this type of gaming house, It was just to cover themselves. It was all understood, It was to keep company secrets since everyone living in the house had exposure to how the entire house ran.

The food was an issue, At the time I was living there I thought we were eating quiet healthy, but at the same time it was only 9 people total to cook for. You have to realise that cooking for 12+ players and staff, It's hard to prepare fish and salads for every meal, and it's nearly impossible to have "perfect amount" of food. If they cook to much then they lose money from throwing it out, If they don't cook enough players complain. It's a really rough balance. Even when the meals weren't that big, We had access to pieces of bread with various spreads, bowls of cereal at any time of the day, and other left overs if there are any. Once again the project and house is still new so give them time to work out the kinks.

As for them owing Fuzer money, It does state that we are to pay for the entire month even if we leave half way through. They have to plan and buy/prepare for an entire month so to get a refund after they already spent the money planning on you living in the house, isn't really fair to ask for. It sucks Fuzer couldn't get a refund, especially since he didn't sign the contract yet, but at the same time MoW is a business and they have to plan around having the proper income to sustain the house. This was poorly handled all over, Mistakes were clearly made. Once again the project is new, I doubt they'll ever allow a player to move in before signing a contract.

Overall my time in MoW was fantastic. We had a very well set schedule as far as eating/practising. We would eat the same time every day, and practice the same time every day. Matiz was a amazing coach, He was very helpful to help find us new builds and then finding us players to practice it with. The practice was regulated, It was up to the players to make sure it was efficient. He was there for assistance, He asked on a daily basis if anyone wanted help, And he would go out of his way to make sure we were taken care of. Same with the work out schedule, Me snute and Cyto were the only players who used the gym while we lived there, We didn't need a work out schedule. If you want to work out do it, If not practice. They can't hold your hand for everything. Even in a korean team house, The coach does what he can to guide you and make sure you're on track with practice, but if you're not playing efficiently then it's your own fault.

So please lower your pitch forks. Once again the project is still new, Mistakes will be made and mistakes have been made. Was my entire experience perfect? No I had a few times of drama, but it was cleared up. Just try to see it from both sides, and remember this is still a business.

Thanks
~~LgNkarmy

Do you know how much live-in-cooks get paid? This is a live-in who doesn't even know basic techniques for food preparation for a group of people!

600€ a month to live in a house in Poland to pay video games, even factoring in internet costs and living expenses is expensive. Even more so when you consider the inhabitants are expected to clean their rooms (despite having a maid) and the food standards are poor.

However, considering your posts, you will defend MoW to the hilt no matter WHAT people post no matter how rational.