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Stop derailing with living cost talk On September 13 2012 07:51 MinistryOfWin wrote: Press Release: http://www.ministryofwin.com/news/press-release-september-13th-2012 Stay tuned for the article on ESFIWORLD.com. - Wednesday, Sep 12 10:51pm GMT (GMT+00:00) On September 13 2012 08:02 MinistryOfWin wrote: http://esfiworld.com/news/ministry-win-respond-fuzers-claims - Wednesday, Sep 12 11:02pm GMT (GMT+00:00) | ||
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desRow
Canada2654 Posts
On September 13 2012 09:29 goswser wrote: What kind of house cleaning service is this lol? 6 days a week for 10 hours a day? What could they possibly spend so long of a time cleaning? There's 2 staff that works here. They cook/clean the plates. Do laundry/clean different bathrooms/bedrooms. Not sure their hours but its like 6hours-8hours or something | ||
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Makenshi
Sweden2105 Posts
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AlgeriaT
Sweden2197 Posts
On September 13 2012 11:06 Makenshi wrote: This ministry of win business sounds like total bullshit now, i hate how shady people have such a negative effect on such a possibly good thing :/ Maybe you should go back and read Snutes long post before you jump to conclusions as to who's being shady. | ||
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
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greedyFarmer
United Kingdom21 Posts
On September 13 2012 10:31 NeMeSiS3 wrote: So you're 100% sure this is fake? I mean you said "this one is fake" right? No you're not shut the fuck up. Tired of TL posters posting opinions or thoughts like fact, don't you think MoW would have jumped all over it? The reason that was posted as text was most likely because instead of annotating the image he simply copied the logs and removed the name for "boss" but I have no idea why or why it wasn't posted as an image, just like you. Stop turning assumptions into proof, you're simply making an ass out of yourself. Until it is stated by MoW that this conversation didn't happen (and they read it so you think they would deny it) then it did happen. Errrr, it is fake, read the last 4ish lines. He edited them intentionally to make the point that you can jst type whatever you want in, watch: [11.9.2012 12:42:08] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: well [11.9.2012 12:42:11] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: as you said i pooped [11.9.2012 12:42:17] Boss: So I don't have your money [11.9.2012 12:42:41] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: I am batshit insane. | ||
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Leijona
Finland56 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On September 13 2012 11:08 ragz_gt wrote: I don't think they are "evil" they just don't run it very well, and handled this case poorly / wrongly. It is a great concept so hopefully they can get their act together and making it better environment for training. Oh I totally agree, they first of all should hire someone for PR and secondarily a lawyer who knows what they're doing. After clearing this up with Fuzer and compensating for him. And releasing a proper statement. | ||
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XiWi
11 Posts
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ThaZenith
Canada3116 Posts
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DCRed
Finland435 Posts
On September 13 2012 11:05 Integra wrote: And to add, what people need to understand is that Ministry of win didn't try to scam or trick anyone, they just don't understand the conduct of proper business. They are doing allot of weird shit that makes no sense. This. People need to stop the useless "email sponsors" and spamming happening in this thread. Hopefully MoW can learn from their mistake and continue a tad wiser to reach their goals. | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On September 13 2012 11:11 Shikyo wrote: Oh I totally agree, they first of all should hire someone for PR and secondarily a lawyer who knows what they're doing. After clearing this up with Fuzer and compensating for him. And releasing a proper statement. 'ill never understand ppl running business without a competent lawyer backing them up... | ||
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Lallis
Finland25 Posts
On September 13 2012 10:43 Radin wrote: 1. MoW should have provided the contract before Fuzer moved in. They should NOT have objected (or, rather, requested "verification") when he asked that his legal counsel look over the contract before he signed. This is a very shady practice. 2. MoW should have refunded the money he was owed for his second month immediately. They waited until he said he was going public on his Facebook because they knew this would happen. This is a very shady practice. 3. The NDA is a scare tactic. This is a very shady practice. Final: Any persons who want to be viewed as a legitimate business deserve to be judged like one. I'm sorry that many of you MoW fanboys are upset by this, but the fact is, the owner brought this upon himself by not following unassailable business practices. Well said my friend. I do not wish MoW to go down but they have to learn the lesson from this if they wish to be a legitimate business. As you said, there is too much shady stuff here. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On September 13 2012 11:11 XiWi wrote: Guys they didn't let him have a hardcopy of the contract for him or for his lawyer wanting it to keep it strictly confidential. Do you honestly think they would have sent him a copy via mail/email before he joined the house? He can then decline the contract and maybe go public with it post it on the internet etc. Think before you post? | ||
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NeMeSiS3
Canada2972 Posts
On September 13 2012 11:08 greedyFarmer wrote: Errrr, it is fake, read the last 4ish lines. He edited them intentionally to make the point that you can jst type whatever you want in, watch: [11.9.2012 12:42:08] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: well [11.9.2012 12:42:11] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: as you said i pooped [11.9.2012 12:42:17] Boss: So I don't have your money [11.9.2012 12:42:41] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: I am batshit insane. I understand that you can type whatever you want and I read his edit, but he was alluding or frankly stating that Fuzer falsified the conversation which MoW has not made a comment on (which they surely would have if it was false representation, and Fuzer couldn't be that stupid to do that) so that is HIGHLY unlikely to have occured. The most likely case was he didn't feel like annotating his image and knowing that if he lied MoW has the exact same text document on hand to deny any false claims he simply just posted the logs as such to change the name to "boss" Try to read again what I said if you don't mind, it had nothing to do with the childish edit and I just had to repeat myself. | ||
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Leijona
Finland56 Posts
On September 13 2012 11:11 XiWi wrote: Guys they didn't let him have a hardcopy of the contract for him or for his lawyer wanting it to keep it strictly confidential. Do you honestly think they would have sent him a copy via mail/email before he joined the house? He can then decline the contract and maybe go public with it post it on the internet etc. That is shady though. That just shows how they have no idea about how to run this. Of course you let your customer see the contract and show it to his lawyer. | ||
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TAMinator
Australia2706 Posts
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Makenshi
Sweden2105 Posts
On September 13 2012 11:07 AlgeriaT wrote: Maybe you should go back and read Snutes long post before you jump to conclusions as to who's being shady. Sorry usually i don't jump to conclusions and read most of the thread but 4am and maybe jumped the gun, i'll browse through it and check his post aswell if i was wrong i'll even apologize  | ||
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cz
United States3249 Posts
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Yuen_pl
Poland15 Posts
One guy comes here are makes some claims, the situation seems to be a misunderstanding and should be solved quietly, but he decides to make a fuss about it. Fine, whatever. But what does community does? Behave like some mindless horde in 15th century, when someone passed a gossip that there's this strange girl and she's a witch. Hey bro, bring me my torch! Seriously people? A lot of players live in that house and no one complains. For me the guy was stupid. Sorry, but it's common sense to make sure everything is legally right - when i went to UK to work it'd be a suicide to do something like that. The MoW's boss agreed to give him the money back really quickly in fact, and he should take it. No hard feelings. A misunderstanding, some people are not meant to cooperate. But he decided to go tabloid about it. I don't like that. Every time something like that happens, people tend to exaggerate and make drama about it. It's fucked up IMO, but that's how it works. Now i read things like emailing sponsors - what the fuck? Seriously? Some people have too much free time. You act like this situation concerns you deeply, that it's e-sport you care a lot, but in reality it's not. It's no a LAN party made by friends, it's a business. So let it be a business. Some parties didn't agree and one of it was immature enough to make fuss about it. If all people behaved like that there would be no business in the world. Easy example: Apple sued Samsuns and won over a 1,000,000,000 from them. Even though they still cooperate and Samsung sells it's memore, PCU's or whatever to Apple. It's just business. Oh, and about some claims that 600euro/month is a ripoff and players are fucked in the ass. Some Polish people apparently wrote how you can live as a king for 600e. That's basically bullshit. BUT: 1. We're talking about Warsaw here which is really expensive compared to rest of Poland. 2. This is quite large and high-standard house. Renting that is definitely something like 2000e AT LEAST (i'm not gonna risk my head over that, but it's safe to assume that). 3. There are other things, like prepared meals, coach, internet, water, electricity, blablabla - this costs! 4. Company has to earn it's money. Personally i think 600e/month for opportunity to live in such house is a BARGAIN, and i say it even though i'm Polish and 2500pln (600e) is more than i earn monthly (and more than most people earn). You get to live in a great house, you get great technological standards, apparently only OK food standards (but that's easy to fix), and HUGE opportunities to develop as a player for 600e. Show me a better deal anywhere in the world. | ||
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Xorphene
United Kingdom492 Posts
I'm pretty convinced pallad is "boss" having read every post in this thread. Also, if people want to email MoW's sponsors based on the first sentence I wrote in this thread, that is their right. | ||
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