On September 13 2012 10:13 Shikyo wrote: Many people missing the point....
The main issue is them not letting him consult his lawyer about the contract(and not paying back immediately). Everything else, like the things with the house, are secondary.
They did let him, But he didn't get the proper verification from his lawyer.
Seems like stalling. Verification that your lawyer is a lawyer? Please. What does it even matter whether he's a lawyer or not?
lol at MoW's response. Basically they just repeated everything Fuzer said in a way that tried to make it sound like it wasn't bad. They didn't refute anything he said. "Yep he's right, what a shame we prematurely lost a player!".
On September 13 2012 10:26 Gardel wrote: I sent an email to the sponsors, "boss" being and old known scammer just doesn´t seem to fit right to everything. Gl MoW
On September 13 2012 10:26 Gardel wrote: I sent an email to the sponsors, "boss" being and old known scammer just doesn´t seem to fit right to everything. Gl MoW
You are literally killing eSports, gj stupid troll.
On September 13 2012 10:13 Shikyo wrote: Many people missing the point....
The main issue is them not letting him consult his lawyer about the contract(and not paying back immediately). Everything else, like the things with the house, are secondary.
They did let him, But he didn't get the proper verification from his lawyer.
Since you seem to be an expert at ignoring me, I'll try again. Verifying a lawyer (or any kind of legal counsel) is in no way shape or form standard practice. Actually it might be flat out illegal (depending on Fuzers age and his English skills, considering that he SAID that he doesn't feel comfortable signing an english contact before talking to his lawyer you CANNOT sign a binding contract with him until he has that advice or YOU get the contract translated into his mother tongue).
If you have doubts about the validity of someones credentials (VERY uncommon, usually a stalling tactic) you look him up in the register, instead of asking him to provide some kind of documentation (which could easily be faked, would you know how a finnish certificate is supposed to look like?).
To sum it up, their behaviour was unprofessional at best (and fairly idiotic, you don't just let someone move in without clearing up those details). Their behaviour after this mess started was flat out illegal at best (the skype log).
This is one of the few good posts in the thread. If you want someone to sign a contract, there are laws that you have to abide by.
Very very good post, I didn't know that. Makes it seem more unprofessional.
On September 13 2012 09:03 Noispaxen wrote: [quote]
Did you even read what he wrote?
Do you know how annoying it must be to stream for 8 hours straight? I mean, we're not just talking about taking a short break. You're not making any revenue when you take a break from streaming, so streaming 8 hours straight is basically just taking short breaks to eat maybe a small bag of pretzels or something, going to the bathroom, getting a glass of water.
5 hours a day is a bit unreasonable for streaming, especially when you consider the fact that most people don't want to stream every single day. Even if you only take 2 days off, you're still going to have to make up 10 hours over 5 days (7 hours a day!). TLO, the #1 streamer in terms of hours, only had 142.5 hours. It's a ridiculous thing for MoW to want their players to do, and if they're charging that much for them to go there in the first place, they should have just included that amount (or some of it) in the contract instead of forcing them to stream that much.
You don't get it, do you? If they stream 8hours of day, it means they have 11days a month to not stream at all! And frankly, when all you do is playing Starcraft all day long, its not troublesome at all. I have streamed myself around 8hours in 1day a few times and it wasn't annoying at all, despite doing it with 20-40viewers avg. I'm sure if I actually had a reasonable number of viewers (like ~100 and more) I would love to do that. And try to understand the fact, that people like Fuzer would never get any money at all from Twitch, cause they would never get a partnership without MoW, so in fact he still was getting more money than the $0 he would normally get.
Lol, the whole point is to get better.
1.) People do not get better when they stream their practice. Numerous pro players have said that streaming their practice games hinders their play and does not help them in any way.
2.) 8 hours straight 3 or 4 days in a row? Do you realize how tiring that is? You can stream that maybe one or two times a week, but doing that every week? Even the highest amount of streamers have to take breaks and can't do that. TLO had 142.5 hours, a ridiculous amount and had to take long breaks during his streaming.
3.) If they really want money from their streaming, fine whatever. Why not just include that cost in the contract and allow them to take whatever money they make from streaming? It's not really fair to tell them after the fact that they have to stream 5 hours a day (at least) and then tell them they don't even get to keep all of the money. If you're not even getting adequate amounts of food, why should you be giving them ADDITIONAL money to WORK?
You clearly have no idea what you are writing about. 1.) Yes, I can agree with you about this point, it's probably not good to stream your practice, strategies etc. for the competitive reasons, however, that pretty much applies for the real top pros, inventing new strategies etc.
2.) It's not tiring at all... Streaming doesn't equal having a webcam and microphone on and talking 24/7 while playing. All you have to do is having x-split on in the background while you play, if you don't feel like it you don't have to talk, you don't even need to check the chat. Also, they know about it before coming, they aren't getting told after the fact that they don't keep all the money. Please, don't even mention the food because it's just silly point. Fuzer saying they get only 1hot meal a day is just hard to consider serious. Yes, believe it or not, but in Poland we have breakfast, which is usually sandwiches/fruits/cereals, dinner which is the biggest meal of the day and is hot, and then supper which is usually sandwiches again (altough of course you can have some hot stuff like sausages, eggs and what not).
3.) Please, realise that if not for MoW, Fuzer would get literally ZERO money whatsoever from streaming! Check the requirements Twitch.tv actually has before they can give you partnership and share the ad revenue with you. The truth is Fuzer would pretty much never get it and he should be glad that MoW with their partnership actually gives him the opportunity to get some money from it.
LOL Ok so you agree with #1, your argument for #2 is that it's "not tiring at all," yet you keep ignoring my point. You can't take a break if you're streaming without losing revenue (no one to run ads), you can't really take a break to go get a meal, and you can't really go to the bathroom without losing revenue. That is indeed tiring. You also can't really just go workout (something ideal to playing and practicing well) if you're streaming.
#3, I already acknowledged this, but if he's going to be making money from the streaming, why the fuck would they not just include it in his contract to begin with (maybe 50 euros more) and then just tell him keep the money from streaming. Instead, they're making him stream a shit ton and he basically gets no money from it. Wtf. That's just screwed up and not fair to Fuzer.
Also, your whole claim that in Poland you have breakfast is absolute bs. In America, it's common not to eat breakfast for many people. Does that mean everyone doesn't eat breakfast? Karmy already said that the meals was an issue at MoW, so why are you arguing that they weren't? Your entire post just shows how you are blindly defending MoW for stuff that is absolutely unacceptable by today's standards.
I don't understand your second point. Then you just lose revenue if you don't run the ads. Whatever. How is that an issue, compared to if you weren't making any revenue regardless if you weren't streaming in the first place? Go to the fucking bathroom and take a "revenue hit" that you suspect would happen.... who cares....
Streaming itself is not an issue. But why would stream be mandatory for people who pays to get better, when streaming have not shown to actually help people getting better? It people want stream, then they can stream, if people practice better not streaming, it should be their choice since they paid to stay there to get better.
Because it's part of the damn contract?
Honestly...
Exactly, that's WHY he is asking his lawyer to check out the contract.
And Fuzer claim they didn't tell him BEFORE he got there, which MoW or anyone else have not refuted.
Irrelevant to what you stated.
You asked why streaming would be mandatory for people who paid to be there and are trying to get better.
THAT point can be answered simply with because it's MoW's choice to do so as terms in their contract.
On September 13 2012 09:07 MtlGuitarist97 wrote: [quote]
Do you know how annoying it must be to stream for 8 hours straight? I mean, we're not just talking about taking a short break. You're not making any revenue when you take a break from streaming, so streaming 8 hours straight is basically just taking short breaks to eat maybe a small bag of pretzels or something, going to the bathroom, getting a glass of water.
5 hours a day is a bit unreasonable for streaming, especially when you consider the fact that most people don't want to stream every single day. Even if you only take 2 days off, you're still going to have to make up 10 hours over 5 days (7 hours a day!). TLO, the #1 streamer in terms of hours, only had 142.5 hours. It's a ridiculous thing for MoW to want their players to do, and if they're charging that much for them to go there in the first place, they should have just included that amount (or some of it) in the contract instead of forcing them to stream that much.
You don't get it, do you? If they stream 8hours of day, it means they have 11days a month to not stream at all! And frankly, when all you do is playing Starcraft all day long, its not troublesome at all. I have streamed myself around 8hours in 1day a few times and it wasn't annoying at all, despite doing it with 20-40viewers avg. I'm sure if I actually had a reasonable number of viewers (like ~100 and more) I would love to do that. And try to understand the fact, that people like Fuzer would never get any money at all from Twitch, cause they would never get a partnership without MoW, so in fact he still was getting more money than the $0 he would normally get.
Lol, the whole point is to get better.
1.) People do not get better when they stream their practice. Numerous pro players have said that streaming their practice games hinders their play and does not help them in any way.
2.) 8 hours straight 3 or 4 days in a row? Do you realize how tiring that is? You can stream that maybe one or two times a week, but doing that every week? Even the highest amount of streamers have to take breaks and can't do that. TLO had 142.5 hours, a ridiculous amount and had to take long breaks during his streaming.
3.) If they really want money from their streaming, fine whatever. Why not just include that cost in the contract and allow them to take whatever money they make from streaming? It's not really fair to tell them after the fact that they have to stream 5 hours a day (at least) and then tell them they don't even get to keep all of the money. If you're not even getting adequate amounts of food, why should you be giving them ADDITIONAL money to WORK?
You clearly have no idea what you are writing about. 1.) Yes, I can agree with you about this point, it's probably not good to stream your practice, strategies etc. for the competitive reasons, however, that pretty much applies for the real top pros, inventing new strategies etc.
2.) It's not tiring at all... Streaming doesn't equal having a webcam and microphone on and talking 24/7 while playing. All you have to do is having x-split on in the background while you play, if you don't feel like it you don't have to talk, you don't even need to check the chat. Also, they know about it before coming, they aren't getting told after the fact that they don't keep all the money. Please, don't even mention the food because it's just silly point. Fuzer saying they get only 1hot meal a day is just hard to consider serious. Yes, believe it or not, but in Poland we have breakfast, which is usually sandwiches/fruits/cereals, dinner which is the biggest meal of the day and is hot, and then supper which is usually sandwiches again (altough of course you can have some hot stuff like sausages, eggs and what not).
3.) Please, realise that if not for MoW, Fuzer would get literally ZERO money whatsoever from streaming! Check the requirements Twitch.tv actually has before they can give you partnership and share the ad revenue with you. The truth is Fuzer would pretty much never get it and he should be glad that MoW with their partnership actually gives him the opportunity to get some money from it.
LOL Ok so you agree with #1, your argument for #2 is that it's "not tiring at all," yet you keep ignoring my point. You can't take a break if you're streaming without losing revenue (no one to run ads), you can't really take a break to go get a meal, and you can't really go to the bathroom without losing revenue. That is indeed tiring. You also can't really just go workout (something ideal to playing and practicing well) if you're streaming.
#3, I already acknowledged this, but if he's going to be making money from the streaming, why the fuck would they not just include it in his contract to begin with (maybe 50 euros more) and then just tell him keep the money from streaming. Instead, they're making him stream a shit ton and he basically gets no money from it. Wtf. That's just screwed up and not fair to Fuzer.
Also, your whole claim that in Poland you have breakfast is absolute bs. In America, it's common not to eat breakfast for many people. Does that mean everyone doesn't eat breakfast? Karmy already said that the meals was an issue at MoW, so why are you arguing that they weren't? Your entire post just shows how you are blindly defending MoW for stuff that is absolutely unacceptable by today's standards.
I don't understand your second point. Then you just lose revenue if you don't run the ads. Whatever. How is that an issue, compared to if you weren't making any revenue regardless if you weren't streaming in the first place? Go to the fucking bathroom and take a "revenue hit" that you suspect would happen.... who cares....
Streaming itself is not an issue. But why would stream be mandatory for people who pays to get better, when streaming have not shown to actually help people getting better? It people want stream, then they can stream, if people practice better not streaming, it should be their choice since they paid to stay there to get better.
Because it's part of the damn contract?
Honestly...
Exactly, that's WHY he is asking his lawyer to check out the contract.
And Fuzer claim they didn't tell him BEFORE he got there, which MoW or anyone else have not refuted.
Irrelevant to what you stated.
You asked why streaming would be mandatory for people who paid to be there and are trying to get better.
THAT point can be answered simply with because it's MoW's choice to do so as terms in their contract.
That argument seems to be very circular. One could ask, "why is it in the contract?"
On September 13 2012 10:01 insanet wrote: You are wrong. before leaving he asked for the money. not after.
Then he should post some evidence
[11.9.2012 12:41:24] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so you have to pay me back from th emoney [11.9.2012 12:41:33] Boss: nope, I don't have [11.9.2012 12:41:40] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: ok [11.9.2012 12:41:50] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so i paid you from this month [11.9.2012 12:41:53] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: and im not here for this month [11.9.2012 12:41:56] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so you give back my money [11.9.2012 12:41:58] Boss: You are breaking the rules [11.9.2012 12:42:02] Boss: you know how it works? [11.9.2012 12:42:06] Boss: If not - read the contract again [11.9.2012 12:42:08] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: well [11.9.2012 12:42:11] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: as you said i pooped [11.9.2012 12:42:17] Boss: So I don't have your money [11.9.2012 12:42:41] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: I am not worthy.
btw this one is fake. Why is he posting one skype log in a picture and the other one in text? And he was still in his "sign till XX or leave" time when he asked for his money so yeah i wouldn't pay him back either at that time. He has to officially leave before he can see any refund or else he is still using their service.
So you're 100% sure this is fake? I mean you said "this one is fake" right? No you're not shut the fuck up. Tired of TL posters posting opinions or thoughts like fact, don't you think MoW would have jumped all over it? The reason that was posted as text was most likely because instead of annotating the image he simply copied the logs and removed the name for "boss" but I have no idea why or why it wasn't posted as an image, just like you.
Stop turning assumptions into proof, you're simply making an ass out of yourself. Until it is stated by MoW that this conversation didn't happen (and they read it so you think they would deny it) then it did happen.
On September 13 2012 10:01 insanet wrote: You are wrong. before leaving he asked for the money. not after.
Then he should post some evidence
[11.9.2012 12:41:24] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so you have to pay me back from th emoney [11.9.2012 12:41:33] Boss: nope, I don't have [11.9.2012 12:41:40] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: ok [11.9.2012 12:41:50] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so i paid you from this month [11.9.2012 12:41:53] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: and im not here for this month [11.9.2012 12:41:56] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so you give back my money [11.9.2012 12:41:58] Boss: You are breaking the rules [11.9.2012 12:42:02] Boss: you know how it works? [11.9.2012 12:42:06] Boss: If not - read the contract again [11.9.2012 12:42:08] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: well [11.9.2012 12:42:11] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: as you said i pooped [11.9.2012 12:42:17] Boss: So I don't have your money [11.9.2012 12:42:41] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: I am not worthy.
btw this one is fake. Why is he posting one skype log in a picture and the other one in text? And he was still in his "sign till XX or leave" time when he asked for his money so yeah i wouldn't pay him back either at that time. He has to officially leave before he can see any refund or else he is still using their service.
So you're 100% sure this is fake? I mean you said "this one is fake" right? No you're not shut the fuck up. Tired of TL posters posting opinions or thoughts like fact don't you think MoW would have jumped all over it? The reason that was posted as text was most likely because instead of annotating the image he simply copied the logs and removed the name for "boss" but I have no idea why or why it wasn't just like you.
Stop turning assumptions into proof, you're simply making an ass out of yourself. Until it is stated by MoW that this conversation didn't happen (and they read it so you think they would deny it) then it did happen.
On September 13 2012 09:07 MtlGuitarist97 wrote: [quote]
Do you know how annoying it must be to stream for 8 hours straight? I mean, we're not just talking about taking a short break. You're not making any revenue when you take a break from streaming, so streaming 8 hours straight is basically just taking short breaks to eat maybe a small bag of pretzels or something, going to the bathroom, getting a glass of water.
5 hours a day is a bit unreasonable for streaming, especially when you consider the fact that most people don't want to stream every single day. Even if you only take 2 days off, you're still going to have to make up 10 hours over 5 days (7 hours a day!). TLO, the #1 streamer in terms of hours, only had 142.5 hours. It's a ridiculous thing for MoW to want their players to do, and if they're charging that much for them to go there in the first place, they should have just included that amount (or some of it) in the contract instead of forcing them to stream that much.
You don't get it, do you? If they stream 8hours of day, it means they have 11days a month to not stream at all! And frankly, when all you do is playing Starcraft all day long, its not troublesome at all. I have streamed myself around 8hours in 1day a few times and it wasn't annoying at all, despite doing it with 20-40viewers avg. I'm sure if I actually had a reasonable number of viewers (like ~100 and more) I would love to do that. And try to understand the fact, that people like Fuzer would never get any money at all from Twitch, cause they would never get a partnership without MoW, so in fact he still was getting more money than the $0 he would normally get.
Lol, the whole point is to get better.
1.) People do not get better when they stream their practice. Numerous pro players have said that streaming their practice games hinders their play and does not help them in any way.
2.) 8 hours straight 3 or 4 days in a row? Do you realize how tiring that is? You can stream that maybe one or two times a week, but doing that every week? Even the highest amount of streamers have to take breaks and can't do that. TLO had 142.5 hours, a ridiculous amount and had to take long breaks during his streaming.
3.) If they really want money from their streaming, fine whatever. Why not just include that cost in the contract and allow them to take whatever money they make from streaming? It's not really fair to tell them after the fact that they have to stream 5 hours a day (at least) and then tell them they don't even get to keep all of the money. If you're not even getting adequate amounts of food, why should you be giving them ADDITIONAL money to WORK?
You clearly have no idea what you are writing about. 1.) Yes, I can agree with you about this point, it's probably not good to stream your practice, strategies etc. for the competitive reasons, however, that pretty much applies for the real top pros, inventing new strategies etc.
2.) It's not tiring at all... Streaming doesn't equal having a webcam and microphone on and talking 24/7 while playing. All you have to do is having x-split on in the background while you play, if you don't feel like it you don't have to talk, you don't even need to check the chat. Also, they know about it before coming, they aren't getting told after the fact that they don't keep all the money. Please, don't even mention the food because it's just silly point. Fuzer saying they get only 1hot meal a day is just hard to consider serious. Yes, believe it or not, but in Poland we have breakfast, which is usually sandwiches/fruits/cereals, dinner which is the biggest meal of the day and is hot, and then supper which is usually sandwiches again (altough of course you can have some hot stuff like sausages, eggs and what not).
3.) Please, realise that if not for MoW, Fuzer would get literally ZERO money whatsoever from streaming! Check the requirements Twitch.tv actually has before they can give you partnership and share the ad revenue with you. The truth is Fuzer would pretty much never get it and he should be glad that MoW with their partnership actually gives him the opportunity to get some money from it.
LOL Ok so you agree with #1, your argument for #2 is that it's "not tiring at all," yet you keep ignoring my point. You can't take a break if you're streaming without losing revenue (no one to run ads), you can't really take a break to go get a meal, and you can't really go to the bathroom without losing revenue. That is indeed tiring. You also can't really just go workout (something ideal to playing and practicing well) if you're streaming.
#3, I already acknowledged this, but if he's going to be making money from the streaming, why the fuck would they not just include it in his contract to begin with (maybe 50 euros more) and then just tell him keep the money from streaming. Instead, they're making him stream a shit ton and he basically gets no money from it. Wtf. That's just screwed up and not fair to Fuzer.
Also, your whole claim that in Poland you have breakfast is absolute bs. In America, it's common not to eat breakfast for many people. Does that mean everyone doesn't eat breakfast? Karmy already said that the meals was an issue at MoW, so why are you arguing that they weren't? Your entire post just shows how you are blindly defending MoW for stuff that is absolutely unacceptable by today's standards.
I don't understand your second point. Then you just lose revenue if you don't run the ads. Whatever. How is that an issue, compared to if you weren't making any revenue regardless if you weren't streaming in the first place? Go to the fucking bathroom and take a "revenue hit" that you suspect would happen.... who cares....
Streaming itself is not an issue. But why would stream be mandatory for people who pays to get better, when streaming have not shown to actually help people getting better? It people want stream, then they can stream, if people practice better not streaming, it should be their choice since they paid to stay there to get better.
Because it's part of the damn contract?
Honestly...
Exactly, that's WHY he is asking his lawyer to check out the contract.
And Fuzer claim they didn't tell him BEFORE he got there, which MoW or anyone else have not refuted.
Irrelevant to what you stated.
You asked why streaming would be mandatory for people who paid to be there and are trying to get better.
THAT point can be answered simply with because it's MoW's choice to do so as terms in their contract.
Besides the point that if people not tell you important information such as this before hand, you'd get upset / suspicious too, I was responding to claim that Stream 150 hour a month was totally expected / normal for people who pay to train, and your claim about contract have absolutely nothing to do with that conversation.
On September 13 2012 10:21 Wilko wrote: Hi, i'm the only player currently in the house that lived here since the beginning of this project and i experienced every ups and downs of this house
I think there is a lot of missunderstanding and jumping to conclusions too fast The idea of the house is awesome and it is the only place in europe where this gathering of eager, passionate and mostly very high skilled players that want to work together and improve as much as possible together This house isn't perfect, there were quite some issues at the very beginning, but the management and the players work hand in hand and we try to make this house as good as possible. At this moment the house runs very smooth, there are still things we can improve on of course, but we try to sort everything out step by step. One of the problems in the very beginning was the lack of communication between management and players, but we had a long meeting about that and we talked about how important the exchange of information between management and players is. The house still did a poor job communicating with the community tho, many people don't have information about most of the things, which were going in the house. But they already started to improve on this and the players will help too.
That's why i will do a live Q&A on my stream tomorrow (13th 22:00 CET): http://twitch.tv/ministryofwin_wilko I will answer your questions to clarify things up as much as possible, i can't speak about things that are under NDA tho (which is actually very little) and things that would be to personal
Thanks
Well, that certainly seems interesting, count me in!
On September 13 2012 10:26 Gardel wrote: I sent an email to the sponsors, "boss" being and old known scammer just doesn´t seem to fit right to everything. Gl MoW
You are literally killing eSports, gj stupid troll.
Rofl, this shady stuff MoW is pulling off is killing eSports.
On September 13 2012 10:26 Gardel wrote: I sent an email to the sponsors, "boss" being and old known scammer just doesn´t seem to fit right to everything. Gl MoW
Like i was thinking you are just ignorant kid . People like you should be banned from cummunity sites.. not only e-sports ones.
On September 13 2012 10:26 Gardel wrote: I sent an email to the sponsors, "boss" being and old known scammer just doesn´t seem to fit right to everything. Gl MoW
Like i was thinking you are just ignorant kid . People like you should be banned from cummunity sites.. not only e-sports ones.
On September 13 2012 10:26 Gardel wrote: I sent an email to the sponsors, "boss" being and old known scammer just doesn´t seem to fit right to everything. Gl MoW
You are literally killing eSports, gj stupid troll.
Rofl, this shady stuff MoW is pulling off is killing eSports.
Whoever messages sponsors in any regard during eSports infant state is generally hurting eSports, bad/good money is money and anything we can get is good... Trying to remove sponsors from the only real gaming house in all of Europe because of some shaddy shit that still isn't really clear to anyone is immature and ridiculous as well as showing no understanding for the eSport and lack of compassion for the rest of the industry.
Time to grow up about things and wait it out until you have the entire side, it's rash and immature to message any sponsor before the entire truth is present before you. For all we know this entire thing is full of shit.
On September 13 2012 10:20 Greenhit wrote: Has anyone considered that Ret is there? For some reason just the fact of that makes me think the 10 year agreement just didn't happen, unless players can/are contracted differently?
They already stated that players are contracted differently. What I've gathered involving the contract and what each side has stated gives me the impression that if you're not a top pro already, stay away from MoW.
Even if you get good enough to be a pro you can't benefit from it. They will take money from your steaming as long as you are in the house and the contract disallows staying at a team house(which in the future could very well be what every salary-based team requires of you.) Going to a teamhouse is what is required to rise to the top of Sc2 and stay there, so it's no wonder people are up in arms about this issue. MoW is trying to treat new players they train like a commodity, which is very similar to the korean house situation, except in this case the players have to pay to live there.
On September 13 2012 10:26 Gardel wrote: I sent an email to the sponsors, "boss" being and old known scammer just doesn´t seem to fit right to everything. Gl MoW
Like i was thinking you are just ignorant kid . People like you should be banned from cummunity sites.. not only e-sports ones.
I think he's just joking.
no, read the other posts by that guy. He may be just a troll, but still...
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