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Ah, its only been a couple weeks since the last witch hunt and we already got another one! Nice, whose life/career are we ruining this time? Lets all email their sponsors, mother, and pets and tell them how much they are hurting esport! Seriously, why are people jumping the gun when they only have one side of the story? I can post some random chat conversation from skype too and make some pro gamer seems like a dick and just omit their names, see how easy it is to blow shit out of context? Tasteless was right to be ashamed of this community. Teamliquid has turned into Battle net with mods.
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On September 13 2012 05:36 Quanticfograw wrote:
TBH if the majority of esports were ran more like a business this wouldn't be an issue because having something in writing or not having receipts for reimbursement would never occur. I am not saying that the MoW house is correct here but I really am still shocked at the amount of people who want money from the scene, some even put money into the scene, and still don't treat it like a financial transaction. Until eSports is bound by more professional contractual obligations this dumb shit will continue to happen.
I see what you're saying, but the fact of the matter is that in tons of businesses, work contracts and so on this kind of thing happens because people make profit out of it.
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On September 13 2012 05:37 Kaitlin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 05:33 Apolo wrote:On September 13 2012 05:30 Martijn wrote:On September 13 2012 05:23 Destiny wrote:On September 13 2012 05:17 Martijn wrote:
Just so we're clear. If you pay someone for a service, and that service is then not rendered for an extended period of the agreed upon time, they can't keep your money even without a receipt. Though I'm all for it and I would encourage everyone to get a receipt in cases like this, if I have to read Destiny or any other idiot post anything more that implies that it would be legally ok for MoW to keep the money because there's no receipt or signed contract, I will blow up a bunny. They still entered into an agreement, they were the ones that told him to leave and they abso-fucking-lutely have to give him the money back for any time he didn't spend there.
Let me just cover myself in saying that in Europe a verbal agreement is still binding, maybe Destiny is not being an idiot but rather just plainly misinformed in that he's following some wacky US law I'm unfamiliar with that would most certainly not apply here. Hey, I gave you $1000 two days ago. I know you didn't give me a receipt or I can't prove in any way that I gave you the money, BUT GIVE IT BACK NOW OR I BLOW UP ALL THE BUNNIEZZZ!111 So you're arguing it would be ok for MoW to deny they ever got the money and that's somehow legally ok? Lets for a second forget about the complete immorality of that statement, that's still just straight up theft. Yeah MoW can lie about the agreement they had with Fuzer, but that does not in any way make it legally ok. By Destiny's logic, if i can't prove something then it's false. Haha. It's not Destiny's logic, it's how the real world works. As anyone involved with law enforcement knows, it's not what you know, it's what you can prove. Wake the fuck up, people.
You do understand there's a difference between what you're able to get convicted for and what is legal right? If I kill someone and get rid of all the evidence, I have most certainly done something illegal.
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On September 13 2012 05:43 ultrablaster wrote:Show nested quote +How can people possibly be this stupid and immature on the internet....I simply can't understand it... You can quite clearly see the "Finland" tag after the nickname 
Ouch, get ready to get trampled by the Fins
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On September 13 2012 05:42 pallad wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 05:40 Cytoplasm wrote:
Lol funny ^^ , i want to see this statement ^_^ Maby write is something liek this happend to you in MoW , or oeverthing was good for you.
I cant make sense of this sentence.
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On September 13 2012 05:40 Leijona wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 05:34 FabledIntegral wrote:On September 13 2012 05:20 FallDownMarigold wrote:On September 13 2012 05:12 FabledIntegral wrote:On September 13 2012 03:52 seanisgrand wrote:
12 players. 7200 euro/mo for rent PLUS a cut of a minimum of 60 hours of their streaming profits DAILY.
Better be feeding them hella good...
oh wait You're from the U.S. That rent, by U.S. standards, would be atrociously insufficient. Of course, it may be in the middle of buttfuck nowhere, I don't know, but considering the services provided, I would say they could not come even close to covering their costs with 7200 euros per month. It's simply not realistic. Also, streaming revenue is highly dependent on the player. If you're one of the people with 120 viewers, your streaming revenue is negligible anyways. MoW is meant to be a business. While I think the 10-year thing is ridiculous if true concerning joining another team, it is completely reasonable in terms of opening a house of their own (assuming it's for-profit). I would assume streaming revenue couldn't be taken on their "days off" like weekends or whatever as well. The fact food is even supplied at 600 Euros a month, with gas/water, Internet/utilities, and the actual amount of equipment and services provided, is once again, in my eyes, a fucking steal. I'd bet if they disclosed their financial statements you'd find they'd be operating on a very marginal profit margin. I'd be surprised if they've been able to even recoup their initial total investment, which is most likely leveraged in the first place and thus they'll also have to pay interest. People that think the costs to the players are ridiculous are people that have absolutely no concept of finances. Sorry but you're wrong about the rent figure being ludicrous. It entirely depends on where you're living. If you're in Manhattan, NYC, or Westwood, LA, then sure, rent @ 600 euros (~770 dollars) per month per person would be "atrociously insufficient". Maybe you should cite your source for "U.S. standards", if such a thing exists, because I'd be curious to know what the average "monthly rental per person" rate is in the U.S... So to the point, ~$770/month is actually MORE than many people pay in many less popular/wealthy cities -- and these are not cities, as you say, that are located in the middle of "buttfuck nowhere". Just needed to clear that up. I made it quite clear (at least I thought, it wasn't intentionally meant to mean "rent only") that I thought the cost of just 600 Euros was ridiculously low since it included utilities, a furnished place, food, and many other amenities. What other places have a friggin' gym within the same exact building? Many have it within a complex, but the way they have it structured is ultimate convenience. So I completely stand by my statement that insinuating 600 Euros for rent (and nothing more) with all the shit they are providing would be completely ludicrous. Its a really high amount of money in Poland. The average income there is something like below 1000 euros. Figure from there. Your gonna feed 2 families with that probably.
Yeah - I won't doubt that. I was mostly in response to the guy I originally quoted because it said his location was the United States, and that's why I started with "U.S. prices." I didn't realize it was that low, however.
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On September 13 2012 05:43 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 05:31 MagicalGirl wrote:On September 13 2012 05:12 FabledIntegral wrote:On September 13 2012 03:52 seanisgrand wrote:
12 players. 7200 euro/mo for rent PLUS a cut of a minimum of 60 hours of their streaming profits DAILY.
Better be feeding them hella good...
oh wait You're from the U.S. That rent, by U.S. standards, would be atrociously insufficient. Of course, it may be in the middle of buttfuck nowhere, I don't know, but considering the services provided, I would say they could not come even close to covering their costs with 7200 euros per month. It's simply not realistic. Also, streaming revenue is highly dependent on the player. If you're one of the people with 120 viewers, your streaming revenue is negligible anyways. MoW is meant to be a business. While I think the 10-year thing is ridiculous if true concerning joining another team, it is completely reasonable in terms of opening a house of their own (assuming it's for-profit). I would assume streaming revenue couldn't be taken on their "days off" like weekends or whatever as well. The fact food is even supplied at 600 Euros a month, with gas/water, Internet/utilities, and the actual amount of equipment and services provided, is once again, in my eyes, a fucking steal. I'd bet if they disclosed their financial statements you'd find they'd be operating on a very marginal profit margin. I'd be surprised if they've been able to even recoup their initial total investment, which is most likely leveraged in the first place and thus they'll also have to pay interest. People that think the costs to the players are ridiculous are people that have absolutely no concept of finances. Bro, when I lived with my parents overseas we were renting 8 bedroom 4 bath houses for 2500 euros a month in German and English cities. I know this is all anecdotal evidence, but I'm just letting you know that with 7200 euros a month (probably more since they are getting some streaming revenue, maybe some sponsors and not every player is probably paying the same amount) you should EASILY be able to afford something like the MoW setup. Easily. Within cities? Then rent is cheap there. I've lived in various areas, with cities always being more expensive than others, but the average I found in the U.S. was around $1,800 for a 3 bedroom. Paid $1,900 for a shitty small two bedroom on the beach before split amongst 4 people though.
Dude stop right now. We're talking about Poland here not the US.
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A little off topic but everytime I read "Boss" on here i'm thinking of Metal Gear...lol BIG BOSS!.
But hopefully this situation gets cleared up because there's a lot of here-say going around.
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On September 13 2012 05:34 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 05:20 FallDownMarigold wrote:On September 13 2012 05:12 FabledIntegral wrote:On September 13 2012 03:52 seanisgrand wrote:
12 players. 7200 euro/mo for rent PLUS a cut of a minimum of 60 hours of their streaming profits DAILY.
Better be feeding them hella good...
oh wait You're from the U.S. That rent, by U.S. standards, would be atrociously insufficient. Of course, it may be in the middle of buttfuck nowhere, I don't know, but considering the services provided, I would say they could not come even close to covering their costs with 7200 euros per month. It's simply not realistic. Also, streaming revenue is highly dependent on the player. If you're one of the people with 120 viewers, your streaming revenue is negligible anyways. MoW is meant to be a business. While I think the 10-year thing is ridiculous if true concerning joining another team, it is completely reasonable in terms of opening a house of their own (assuming it's for-profit). I would assume streaming revenue couldn't be taken on their "days off" like weekends or whatever as well. The fact food is even supplied at 600 Euros a month, with gas/water, Internet/utilities, and the actual amount of equipment and services provided, is once again, in my eyes, a fucking steal. I'd bet if they disclosed their financial statements you'd find they'd be operating on a very marginal profit margin. I'd be surprised if they've been able to even recoup their initial total investment, which is most likely leveraged in the first place and thus they'll also have to pay interest. People that think the costs to the players are ridiculous are people that have absolutely no concept of finances. Sorry but you're wrong about the rent figure being ludicrous. It entirely depends on where you're living. If you're in Manhattan, NYC, or Westwood, LA, then sure, rent @ 600 euros (~770 dollars) per month per person would be "atrociously insufficient". Maybe you should cite your source for "U.S. standards", if such a thing exists, because I'd be curious to know what the average "monthly rental per person" rate is in the U.S... So to the point, ~$770/month is actually MORE than many people pay in many less popular/wealthy cities -- and these are not cities, as you say, that are located in the middle of "buttfuck nowhere". Just needed to clear that up. I made it quite clear (at least I thought, it wasn't intentionally meant to mean "rent only") that I thought the cost of just 600 Euros was ridiculously low since it included utilities, a furnished place, food, and many other amenities. What other places have a friggin' gym within the same exact building? Many have it within a complex, but the way they have it structured is ultimate convenience. So I completely stand by my statement that insinuating 600 Euros for rent (and nothing more) with all the shit they are providing would be completely ludicrous.
On poland ? Yes it is perfectly possible. You don't know how much living there costs. I do. You don't know how cheap food and rent is compared to other european/usa big cities. I do. That's why you should ask instead of pulling numbers from you country. If i did the same for example comparing it with Madrid, yeah 600€ is fucking cheap for a living, but that's to say the least, a retarded way of looking at it.
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On September 13 2012 05:36 TOCHMY wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 05:31 MagicalGirl wrote:On September 13 2012 05:12 FabledIntegral wrote:On September 13 2012 03:52 seanisgrand wrote:
12 players. 7200 euro/mo for rent PLUS a cut of a minimum of 60 hours of their streaming profits DAILY.
Better be feeding them hella good...
oh wait You're from the U.S. That rent, by U.S. standards, would be atrociously insufficient. Of course, it may be in the middle of buttfuck nowhere, I don't know, but considering the services provided, I would say they could not come even close to covering their costs with 7200 euros per month. It's simply not realistic. Also, streaming revenue is highly dependent on the player. If you're one of the people with 120 viewers, your streaming revenue is negligible anyways. MoW is meant to be a business. While I think the 10-year thing is ridiculous if true concerning joining another team, it is completely reasonable in terms of opening a house of their own (assuming it's for-profit). I would assume streaming revenue couldn't be taken on their "days off" like weekends or whatever as well. The fact food is even supplied at 600 Euros a month, with gas/water, Internet/utilities, and the actual amount of equipment and services provided, is once again, in my eyes, a fucking steal. I'd bet if they disclosed their financial statements you'd find they'd be operating on a very marginal profit margin. I'd be surprised if they've been able to even recoup their initial total investment, which is most likely leveraged in the first place and thus they'll also have to pay interest. People that think the costs to the players are ridiculous are people that have absolutely no concept of finances. Bro, when I lived with my parents overseas we were renting 8 bedroom 4 bath houses for 2500 euros a month in German and English cities. I know this is all anecdotal evidence, but I'm just letting you know that with 7200 euros a month (probably more since they are getting some streaming revenue, maybe some sponsors and not every player is probably paying the same amount) you should EASILY be able to afford something like the MoW setup. Easily. Easily, especially in Poland, quite a cheap country to live in
For those people who dont know anything about european prices etc...What are 600 €
Swizerland: u can´t even affort your food per month for 600€ not to mention any kind of living or dont even think of having good food. a small cup of coffee costs about 7sFr(5€/6,5dollar)
the Same with Sweden Norway/maybe GB;
Austria/Germany/FR/North of Italy:
you could affor the rent for a very small appartement if it is not in the center of a town or anywhere near a famous street or building or sight. but thats it no food or anything....
PL/Czech rep./Hungary/mb a few other eastern european countries:
600€ is enough. and they get that from every player + sponsors.
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On September 13 2012 05:44 Blennd wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 05:37 Kaitlin wrote:On September 13 2012 05:33 Apolo wrote:On September 13 2012 05:30 Martijn wrote:On September 13 2012 05:23 Destiny wrote:On September 13 2012 05:17 Martijn wrote:
Just so we're clear. If you pay someone for a service, and that service is then not rendered for an extended period of the agreed upon time, they can't keep your money even without a receipt. Though I'm all for it and I would encourage everyone to get a receipt in cases like this, if I have to read Destiny or any other idiot post anything more that implies that it would be legally ok for MoW to keep the money because there's no receipt or signed contract, I will blow up a bunny. They still entered into an agreement, they were the ones that told him to leave and they abso-fucking-lutely have to give him the money back for any time he didn't spend there.
Let me just cover myself in saying that in Europe a verbal agreement is still binding, maybe Destiny is not being an idiot but rather just plainly misinformed in that he's following some wacky US law I'm unfamiliar with that would most certainly not apply here. Hey, I gave you $1000 two days ago. I know you didn't give me a receipt or I can't prove in any way that I gave you the money, BUT GIVE IT BACK NOW OR I BLOW UP ALL THE BUNNIEZZZ!111 So you're arguing it would be ok for MoW to deny they ever got the money and that's somehow legally ok? Lets for a second forget about the complete immorality of that statement, that's still just straight up theft. Yeah MoW can lie about the agreement they had with Fuzer, but that does not in any way make it legally ok. By Destiny's logic, if i can't prove something then it's false. Haha. It's not Destiny's logic, it's how the real world works. As anyone involved with law enforcement knows, it's not what you know, it's what you can prove. Wake the fuck up, people. You do understand there's a difference between what you're able to get convicted for and what is legal right? If I kill someone and get rid of all the evidence, I have most certainly done something illegal.
You have done something illegal, yes, but you wouldnt be convicted for it. Thats the thing, sure Boss could be doing something illegal, but if you CANT prove it, you CANT convict him for it. For all we know he could be running a crack house somewhere on the moon, but if you dont have evidence for that, you cant punish him.
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I actually don't think that Fuzer is legally entitled to ALL of his money back. He will obviously have to pay for the 6 days that he DID live there. But there is some tricky stuff with how this works. Since there is no binding agreement to have him stay there or any type of lease for him.
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I hope they're late with the official statement by like 2 minutes or so, so people can use the 'you were late with the statement, fucking fishy, you must be lieing!' argument too! :D
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On September 13 2012 05:43 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 05:31 MagicalGirl wrote:On September 13 2012 05:12 FabledIntegral wrote:On September 13 2012 03:52 seanisgrand wrote:
12 players. 7200 euro/mo for rent PLUS a cut of a minimum of 60 hours of their streaming profits DAILY.
Better be feeding them hella good...
oh wait You're from the U.S. That rent, by U.S. standards, would be atrociously insufficient. Of course, it may be in the middle of buttfuck nowhere, I don't know, but considering the services provided, I would say they could not come even close to covering their costs with 7200 euros per month. It's simply not realistic. Also, streaming revenue is highly dependent on the player. If you're one of the people with 120 viewers, your streaming revenue is negligible anyways. MoW is meant to be a business. While I think the 10-year thing is ridiculous if true concerning joining another team, it is completely reasonable in terms of opening a house of their own (assuming it's for-profit). I would assume streaming revenue couldn't be taken on their "days off" like weekends or whatever as well. The fact food is even supplied at 600 Euros a month, with gas/water, Internet/utilities, and the actual amount of equipment and services provided, is once again, in my eyes, a fucking steal. I'd bet if they disclosed their financial statements you'd find they'd be operating on a very marginal profit margin. I'd be surprised if they've been able to even recoup their initial total investment, which is most likely leveraged in the first place and thus they'll also have to pay interest. People that think the costs to the players are ridiculous are people that have absolutely no concept of finances. Bro, when I lived with my parents overseas we were renting 8 bedroom 4 bath houses for 2500 euros a month in German and English cities. I know this is all anecdotal evidence, but I'm just letting you know that with 7200 euros a month (probably more since they are getting some streaming revenue, maybe some sponsors and not every player is probably paying the same amount) you should EASILY be able to afford something like the MoW setup. Easily. Within cities? Then rent is cheap there. I've lived in various areas, with cities always being more expensive than others, but the average I found in the U.S. was around $1,800 for a 3 bedroom. Paid $1,900 for a shitty small two bedroom on the beach before split amongst 4 people though.
I pay $750 a month for a 3 room 750 sq ft apartment in a relatively large city in sweden. For that kind of money i could rent a house easily.
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On September 13 2012 05:40 Ucs wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 05:39 Torrathyr wrote:On September 13 2012 05:33 Apolo wrote:On September 13 2012 05:30 Martijn wrote:On September 13 2012 05:23 Destiny wrote:On September 13 2012 05:17 Martijn wrote:
Just so we're clear. If you pay someone for a service, and that service is then not rendered for an extended period of the agreed upon time, they can't keep your money even without a receipt. Though I'm all for it and I would encourage everyone to get a receipt in cases like this, if I have to read Destiny or any other idiot post anything more that implies that it would be legally ok for MoW to keep the money because there's no receipt or signed contract, I will blow up a bunny. They still entered into an agreement, they were the ones that told him to leave and they abso-fucking-lutely have to give him the money back for any time he didn't spend there.
Let me just cover myself in saying that in Europe a verbal agreement is still binding, maybe Destiny is not being an idiot but rather just plainly misinformed in that he's following some wacky US law I'm unfamiliar with that would most certainly not apply here. Hey, I gave you $1000 two days ago. I know you didn't give me a receipt or I can't prove in any way that I gave you the money, BUT GIVE IT BACK NOW OR I BLOW UP ALL THE BUNNIEZZZ!111 So you're arguing it would be ok for MoW to deny they ever got the money and that's somehow legally ok? Lets for a second forget about the complete immorality of that statement, that's still just straight up theft. Yeah MoW can lie about the agreement they had with Fuzer, but that does not in any way make it legally ok. By Destiny's logic, if i can't prove something then it's false. Haha. No, if you can't prove something, then you can't prove something. He is showing how ridiculous the situation is with a ridiculous statement following the same line of logic. Its a very easy tool to see if there is flaw of logic. You can actually prove it. Report to authorities->they investigate->find no cash register->tax evasion->freeze bank accounts-> find extra 1000$(or whatever the sum is) that they can't account for->proved.
Interesting world you live in where the lack of a cash register equates into tax evasion. Do you have any clue how difficult (read: absolutely fucking impossible) it would be to attribute $1,000 to something ? Unless they are marked bills, which I seriously doubt since he didn't even have the sense to get a receipt, nobody will ever prove the source of $1,000 is other than what the holder claims it to be, assuming they have simply a couple years of work history.
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Liquid!
Get Ret out of there!
Fast!!
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On September 13 2012 05:32 Destiny wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 05:26 mahO wrote:On September 13 2012 05:05 Destiny wrote:On September 13 2012 04:57 Vermiiifuuge wrote:On September 13 2012 04:54 Destiny wrote:On September 13 2012 04:52 kliu wrote:
whats wrong with a second pair of eyes looking at a contract? seems like MoW didn't want that second look to happen You sign an NDA to see the contract. You can't just send it off to random people, there needs to be evidence that someone is working as a legal counsel to the party you're contracting. It's not just a "oh trust me he's my lawyer" kind of thing. Jesus, I understand how much we all love to get in on the drama and what not, but if you don't have at least the basic semblance of business sense why even bother posting in this thread? Yeah, having to sign an NDA to see the contract seems very legit and doesnt scream "something fishy's going on" at all! "Something fishy's going", you have absolutely no fucking idea what you're talking about. The fuck are you, some 18 year old frosh in college who thinks he knows everything about the business world? Ten people want to go to the MoW. Two of them are big names. When negotiating all of the contracts, the house wants to find a way to keep everyone happy but also to keep itself sustained, financially. I know how much you all BLEED E-SPORTS but money is kind of fucking important, the real world doesn't run on HOPES AND DREAMS AND RAINBOWS. If there were no NDAs to negotiate contracts, the two big name players see that they have to pay a bit more to stay at the house than the smaller players. Now all of a sudden they feel ripped off, and they don't want to go because they feel like they're subsidizing the existence of everyone else there. Now they pull out and the 8 smaller names all have to pay a larger share than they can afford, etc...etc... Or take teams for instance. You don't think there's an NDA attached to every single contract that a player signs? What if Stephano was being negotiated with and he thought he was worth 2X as much as HuK, and he was able to read HuK's contract exactly. EG now has no ability to negotiate with him. etc...etc...etc... There are reasons NDA's and NCC's exist in the business world, and it's not that "something fishy HURR DURR" is going on. It's because people want to protect their financial interests and their ability to operate as a business. You try a little bit too much to appear as an experienced business man while defending the house you're paying / living at. The point here isnt the exactitude of contracts, but more the method and mindset behind it, all this could be legal, it isnt feeding the drama, the "boss" behaviour and general mindset as a training house seems bad, you said yourself the boss is kind of a dick, while defending the whole thing, I cant really tell if you're defending this for some weird reason or just decided to correct wrong TL posts (good luck with that). Anyway, you cant really express your honest opinion on the house, the way it's handled and the management intentions / behavior, and thats totally understandable, since you actually live there for I dont know how long, but this looks bad from the little information we got, and you didnt deny any of it, you just attacked some random posters exagerated points. People wont really care about how legal it is, they want to know if MoW' people are "dickish", cant be trusted, was this all a too good to be true story that might fit some pros expectations and needs (you for example, and glad if it is the case)? As weird as it sounds, training house like MoW must have created a lot of expectations for a lot of wannabe pros, and even simple players like myself who think it is great that some talented guys could exploit their potential in a good environement and reach a decent level. As someone said, this kind of behaviour will just kill that aura MoW could have had, and it will just open a new spot for the "dreamy friendly and effective training house" in Europe. BTW, you're probably the most interesting and intelligent person in the community imho, I just dont have enough information to make claims here, and I have a hard time understanding your approach to this "drama", and no, I usually dont give a fuck about dramas I'm not "trying hard" for anything. It's common fucking sense. I have no business relationship with MoW yet, I could just cancel my plane tickets and not go if I thought it was in my best interest. And that being said, nothing in my contract will keep me from talking shit about them if I think they're a shitty organization or if they fuck up a lot. As I said earlier, the Boss came off as kind of dick, but to move to another country + into a house without even reading a contract or asking for receipts for any of your payments..? Just because someone's a dick doesn't make them a bad person. Ever try to get an autograph from Nony at events? It's damn near impossible, and that goes for a lot of other players, too, but that doesn't make them "bad people". I don't see what "kind of behavior" will affect the aura at the MoW. The owner wants to make money on it so that it's a profitable and sustainable business venture. What's wrong with that?
What I meant is you're going to basically see the guy every day, even if you dont seem to be the type, you might want to avoid the "yeah, he's a fucking thief I hate that guy". Comparing Nony (and by the way what the fuck did he do to you? xD) not wanting to spend time with fans with trying to scam a guy for his money, I mean, the skype conversation wasnt made up, I dont see why Fuzer would, this isnt trying to make a profitable business, it's a "what u gonna do bitch" from the boss of MoW.
As for not reading the contract I already said earlier, it's 100% Fuzer fault for going there blind and "living the moment", see if he'll sign the contract or not, that was hella naive from him and kind of idiotic. Agreed, but again, MoW is unique, they are willing to get a lot of exposure, they should work a little on their methods and their aura, of course it will affect their aura man read the thread, even SjoW is already reconsidering rofl, and this is just the beginning apparently since the reddit link to a polish article saying he was accused of stealing prize money and apologized etc. I mean yeah of course they're not doing this for fucking rainbows, but this cant work properly being one of a kind and getting already so much negative attention, for good reasons if both stories are confirmed. It's not common sense, it's bad for them, thats whats wrong with that? :/, but again, Destiny hwaaaaiting, wished you still played DayZ
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Can someone clear this up for me? As I understand it, MoW doesn't employt players, it is providing them with accomodation & food. In which case all this undisclosed stuff in the contract, stream revenue over a flat fee and refusal to let a lawyer look over it is a pile of shit. Any landlord tries that kind of shit, he can fuck right off. But I guess all it comes down to is Fuzer going home feeling shat on.
Should never have gone there or paid a penny (Grosz?) without having seen the whole thing, as well as had someone look over it, that way all this is avoided.
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On September 13 2012 05:47 shockaslim wrote:
I actually don't think that Fuzer is legally entitled to ALL of his money back. He will obviously have to pay for the 6 days that he DID live there. But there is some tricky stuff with how this works. Since there is no binding agreement to have him stay there or any type of lease for him.
Verbal agreement is binding in EU. Now, the problem could be with witnesses ready to testify for you.
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On September 13 2012 05:45 Danzo wrote:
A little off topic but everytime I read "Boss" on here i'm thinking of Metal Gear...lol BIG BOSS!.
But hopefully this situation gets cleared up because there's a lot of here-say going around.
Not gonna lie, after reading so much my brain tricked me: "FXOBoss? Wait what?" No stupid brain, not him.
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