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For those people who dont know anything about european prices etc...What are 600 €
Swizerland: u can´t even affort your food per month for 600€ not to mention any kind of living or dont even think of having good food. a small cup of coffee costs about 7sFr(5€/6,5dollar)
the Same with Sweden Norway/maybe GB;
Austria/Germany/FR/North of Italy:
you could affor the rent for a very small appartement if it is not in the center of a town or anywhere near a famous street or building or sight. but thats it no food or anything....
PL/Czech rep./Hungary/mb a few other eastern european countries:
600€ is enough. and they get that from every player + sponsors.
I live in Sweden with the rent at about 380 euros. You can easily live here with 600 euros but you will not have alot of money 
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On September 13 2012 05:52 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
The best way to clear this up is to post the contract that fuzer had to sign. Maybe he didn't understand the english perfectly or something but I am curious to see what is in the contract.
Yeah right because contracts always get posted online so everybody can see them eh?
On the 600€ discussion. You can obviously live of 600€ in Poland, but it is a buisnessplan so the owner probably wants to make money too. Maintenance of the house might also be way higher than many people think.
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On September 13 2012 05:50 omgimonfire15 wrote:
Why are people blowing up over destiny's comments? All he is saying is that no matter how immoral, dickish, and evil the MOW boss is, unless it is proven he has done something illegal, no legal action can be taken. He's not excusing his actions or saying that what he did is okay. He is saying legally, there is nothing that was done wrong (at least from what we know). You can't sue someone if you gave them money and didn't sign a contract or get evidence that you made a legal transaction.
Because for some reason he's focusing his energy on the legality of the issue here, rather than the original problem - that Fuzer feels he was treated poorly by the MoW. This guy, a customer (he paid money to join the Gaming House) had a bad experience. He shared it to help others and express his thoughts/feelings. That's the issue here, not legality.
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10 years is an eternity in gaming years essentially most peoples whole career, this is totally absurd
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On September 13 2012 05:51 chindy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 05:50 karpo wrote:On September 13 2012 05:46 chindy wrote:On September 13 2012 05:36 TOCHMY wrote:On September 13 2012 05:31 MagicalGirl wrote:On September 13 2012 05:12 FabledIntegral wrote:On September 13 2012 03:52 seanisgrand wrote:
12 players. 7200 euro/mo for rent PLUS a cut of a minimum of 60 hours of their streaming profits DAILY.
Better be feeding them hella good...
oh wait You're from the U.S. That rent, by U.S. standards, would be atrociously insufficient. Of course, it may be in the middle of buttfuck nowhere, I don't know, but considering the services provided, I would say they could not come even close to covering their costs with 7200 euros per month. It's simply not realistic. Also, streaming revenue is highly dependent on the player. If you're one of the people with 120 viewers, your streaming revenue is negligible anyways. MoW is meant to be a business. While I think the 10-year thing is ridiculous if true concerning joining another team, it is completely reasonable in terms of opening a house of their own (assuming it's for-profit). I would assume streaming revenue couldn't be taken on their "days off" like weekends or whatever as well. The fact food is even supplied at 600 Euros a month, with gas/water, Internet/utilities, and the actual amount of equipment and services provided, is once again, in my eyes, a fucking steal. I'd bet if they disclosed their financial statements you'd find they'd be operating on a very marginal profit margin. I'd be surprised if they've been able to even recoup their initial total investment, which is most likely leveraged in the first place and thus they'll also have to pay interest. People that think the costs to the players are ridiculous are people that have absolutely no concept of finances. Bro, when I lived with my parents overseas we were renting 8 bedroom 4 bath houses for 2500 euros a month in German and English cities. I know this is all anecdotal evidence, but I'm just letting you know that with 7200 euros a month (probably more since they are getting some streaming revenue, maybe some sponsors and not every player is probably paying the same amount) you should EASILY be able to afford something like the MoW setup. Easily. Easily, especially in Poland, quite a cheap country to live in For those people who dont know anything about european prices etc...What are 600 € Swizerland: u can´t even affort your food per month for 600€ not to mention any kind of living or dont even think of having good food. a small cup of coffee costs about 7sFr(5€/6,5dollar) the Same with Sweden Norway/maybe GB; Not true of sweden. A large coffe from a high end place is like 4 bucks. You'd have to eat out every day of the week to spend 600€ a month on food here. Yea but you dont eat meat or drink any alcohol... 
I'm pretty sure i do. Even if i buy expensive breakfast and lunch out it's still not close to that kind of cash.
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On September 13 2012 05:52 S_SienZ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 05:50 mememolly wrote:On September 13 2012 05:46 chindy wrote:On September 13 2012 05:36 TOCHMY wrote:On September 13 2012 05:31 MagicalGirl wrote:On September 13 2012 05:12 FabledIntegral wrote:On September 13 2012 03:52 seanisgrand wrote:
12 players. 7200 euro/mo for rent PLUS a cut of a minimum of 60 hours of their streaming profits DAILY.
Better be feeding them hella good...
oh wait You're from the U.S. That rent, by U.S. standards, would be atrociously insufficient. Of course, it may be in the middle of buttfuck nowhere, I don't know, but considering the services provided, I would say they could not come even close to covering their costs with 7200 euros per month. It's simply not realistic. Also, streaming revenue is highly dependent on the player. If you're one of the people with 120 viewers, your streaming revenue is negligible anyways. MoW is meant to be a business. While I think the 10-year thing is ridiculous if true concerning joining another team, it is completely reasonable in terms of opening a house of their own (assuming it's for-profit). I would assume streaming revenue couldn't be taken on their "days off" like weekends or whatever as well. The fact food is even supplied at 600 Euros a month, with gas/water, Internet/utilities, and the actual amount of equipment and services provided, is once again, in my eyes, a fucking steal. I'd bet if they disclosed their financial statements you'd find they'd be operating on a very marginal profit margin. I'd be surprised if they've been able to even recoup their initial total investment, which is most likely leveraged in the first place and thus they'll also have to pay interest. People that think the costs to the players are ridiculous are people that have absolutely no concept of finances. Bro, when I lived with my parents overseas we were renting 8 bedroom 4 bath houses for 2500 euros a month in German and English cities. I know this is all anecdotal evidence, but I'm just letting you know that with 7200 euros a month (probably more since they are getting some streaming revenue, maybe some sponsors and not every player is probably paying the same amount) you should EASILY be able to afford something like the MoW setup. Easily. Easily, especially in Poland, quite a cheap country to live in For those people who dont know anything about european prices etc...What are 600 € Swizerland: u can´t even affort your food per month for 600€ not to mention any kind of living or dont even think of having good food. a small cup of coffee costs about 7sFr(5€/6,5dollar) the Same with Sweden Norway/maybe GB; Austria/Germany/FR/North of Italy: you could affor the rent for a very small appartement if it is not in the center of a town or anywhere near a famous street or building or sight. but thats it no food or anything.... PL/Czech rep./Hungary/mb a few other eastern european countries: 600€ is enough. and they get that from every player + sponsors. 600 euros is probably a nice bit of money in poland, rent in the UK for a shared house is £300 a month or so depends on where and how nice the house is etc, but I paid like £300 a month in a major city in a shared house with bros (4 including me) Rent in UK varies GREATLY depending on your location. I live in central London during term time and £300 won't even cover my weekly rent, whereas it would get my friend a nice loft in Coventry for a month.
no shit, my friends in London pay like £800 a month and that's cheap, £300 wouldn't cover a week? damn son
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On September 13 2012 05:52 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
The best way to clear this up is to post the contract that fuzer had to sign. Maybe he didn't understand the english perfectly or something but I am curious to see what is in the contract.
I agree and since he already talked about it i see no problem about showing it and if thats not enough he did not sign anything aswell... so where is the problem?
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How is everyone taking this at such face value?! Jesus, read the response first.
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On September 13 2012 05:40 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 05:27 wklbishop wrote:On September 13 2012 05:24 FabledIntegral wrote:On September 13 2012 05:20 wklbishop wrote:On September 13 2012 05:12 FabledIntegral wrote:On September 13 2012 03:52 seanisgrand wrote:
12 players. 7200 euro/mo for rent PLUS a cut of a minimum of 60 hours of their streaming profits DAILY.
Better be feeding them hella good...
oh wait You're from the U.S. That rent, by U.S. standards, would be atrociously insufficient. Of course, it may be in the middle of buttfuck nowhere, I don't know, but considering the services provided, I would say they could not come even close to covering their costs with 7200 euros per month. It's simply not realistic. Also, streaming revenue is highly dependent on the player. If you're one of the people with 120 viewers, your streaming revenue is negligible anyways. MoW is meant to be a business. While I think the 10-year thing is ridiculous if true concerning joining another team, it is completely reasonable in terms of opening a house of their own (assuming it's for-profit). I would assume streaming revenue couldn't be taken on their "days off" like weekends or whatever as well. The fact food is even supplied at 600 Euros a month, with gas/water, Internet/utilities, and the actual amount of equipment and services provided, is once again, in my eyes, a fucking steal. I'd bet if they disclosed their financial statements you'd find they'd be operating on a very marginal profit margin. I'd be surprised if they've been able to even recoup their initial total investment, which is most likely leveraged in the first place and thus they'll also have to pay interest. People that think the costs to the players are ridiculous are people that have absolutely no concept of finances. Where the hell do you live? Hi, I'm from NYC and have also lived in Buffalo. Rent with utilities and living expenses are $900 and $500 respectively if you cook. You must be wealthy or... idk. The numbers you're giving out sounds ridiculous really. SOme of the numbers you give make sense, but if you really search around then it's more than possible. Anyways, if what you say is true for yourself then come here to Buffalo or NYC (which is apparently buttfuck nowhere). haha. I'm confused. So you calculated them to be around $1,400, and that's most likely for an area without all the amenities that the MoW provides. Also, it many places come unfurnished. MoW comes furnished with a ridiculous amount of assets. So you're comparing $1,400 at a place you're talking about (and that's WITHOUT the food being prepared for you, mind you) to a measely 600 Euros per month? What are you even talking about? Dude... I currently am living in Buffalo for $500. LOLs. $300 for rent (furnished too) and $50 for utilities and $150 for food/living expenses (I cook). I live in Chinatown in Manhattan. I pay rent for about $700 and the food there is cheap actually. Clear? Sorry if I confused you. But I really have no idea where you got your numbers from. If that's your life then come to Buffalo or something. $300 for rent in a furnished place would be very low for a city, but I have no idea what type of city Buffalo is, or if you're located in a decently crime free area. You're telling me that $50 will cover your Internet, cable, water, electric + gas bill, garbage fee? If so, then yes, I have highly underestimated these costs. Your $150 assessment is entirely irrelevant because they are providing a food service, and because they chose to do so, must be included in the cost assessment. Whether or not the people staying in the MoW utilize it is irrelevant if the service is provided. I have personally lived in a wide variety of situations, from spending $375 per month to split a room with 2 other people, to living in a makeshift room sectioned of by bookshelves with another person for $250 a month where my bed didn't even fit in the room completely and had to tucked under the other bed, to $540 a month for my own room in a much less populated area, to now spending $922 per month for a master bedroom of my own. Of course, I am aware that $922 is far more than most people spend, that was more so to just respond to your question of "where do you live."
Well, to be fair, it's not just Buffalo (admittedly certain parts are crime-ridden, though not where I live), it's also Amherst (safest town in NY), Orchard Park, and the Niagara region in general if you look for a 4 bedroom apartment and split it with people. (SPECIFICALLY at least 4 bedroom). Which most single people here do.
And besides, even if I'm wrong about the $150 assessment, listen to the Europeans telling you you're wrong at least... I don't know what else to say.
And I guess you feel obligated to say you've had a wide range of living arrangements as well. So I'll say this, I've done all of that (minus the bed because you should just have bought a sleeping bag) for cheaper plus a few days of sleeping in a campus library.
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On September 13 2012 05:50 omgimonfire15 wrote:
Why are people blowing up over destiny's comments? All he is saying is that no matter how immoral, dickish, and evil the MOW boss is, unless it is proven he has done something illegal, no legal action can be taken. He's not excusing his actions or saying that what he did is okay. He is saying legally, there is nothing that was done wrong (at least from what we know). You can't sue someone if you gave them money and didn't sign a contract or get evidence that you made a legal transaction.
But as this is not what people want to read...they don't read it that way....welcome to the internet
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On September 13 2012 05:51 Blennd wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 05:47 phodacbiet wrote:On September 13 2012 05:44 Blennd wrote:On September 13 2012 05:37 Kaitlin wrote:On September 13 2012 05:33 Apolo wrote:On September 13 2012 05:30 Martijn wrote:On September 13 2012 05:23 Destiny wrote:On September 13 2012 05:17 Martijn wrote:
Just so we're clear. If you pay someone for a service, and that service is then not rendered for an extended period of the agreed upon time, they can't keep your money even without a receipt. Though I'm all for it and I would encourage everyone to get a receipt in cases like this, if I have to read Destiny or any other idiot post anything more that implies that it would be legally ok for MoW to keep the money because there's no receipt or signed contract, I will blow up a bunny. They still entered into an agreement, they were the ones that told him to leave and they abso-fucking-lutely have to give him the money back for any time he didn't spend there.
Let me just cover myself in saying that in Europe a verbal agreement is still binding, maybe Destiny is not being an idiot but rather just plainly misinformed in that he's following some wacky US law I'm unfamiliar with that would most certainly not apply here. Hey, I gave you $1000 two days ago. I know you didn't give me a receipt or I can't prove in any way that I gave you the money, BUT GIVE IT BACK NOW OR I BLOW UP ALL THE BUNNIEZZZ!111 So you're arguing it would be ok for MoW to deny they ever got the money and that's somehow legally ok? Lets for a second forget about the complete immorality of that statement, that's still just straight up theft. Yeah MoW can lie about the agreement they had with Fuzer, but that does not in any way make it legally ok. By Destiny's logic, if i can't prove something then it's false. Haha. It's not Destiny's logic, it's how the real world works. As anyone involved with law enforcement knows, it's not what you know, it's what you can prove. Wake the fuck up, people. You do understand there's a difference between what you're able to get convicted for and what is legal right? If I kill someone and get rid of all the evidence, I have most certainly done something illegal. You have done something illegal, yes, but you wouldnt be convicted for it. Thats the thing, sure Boss could be doing something illegal, but if you CANT prove it, you CANT convict him for it. For all we know he could be running a crack house somewhere on the moon, but if you dont have evidence for that, you cant punish him. You mean a court of law can't punish him. I, and everyone else in the esports community most certainly could punish him by e-mailing sponsors, refusing to do business with him, players could move out of the MoW, etc. People aren't courts, and if you only act on things that you believe to be true beyond a reasonable doubt, you are very silly.
Yes, lets all write to the sponsors! But honestly, why is everyone taking a side when MoW havent released a statement yet? What if MoW posted first to shit on the OP for refusing to sign a contract, leaving, refusing to cooperate etc etc, we would all be shitting on the OP right now. Calm down people and wait.
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That has got to be one of the most disgusting things I have read in a while regarding the eSports scene. It sounds like you'd be much better off playing at home or hell going to Korea with some friends and renting an apartment there. I can understand the 600 euros you'd have to pay as rent. That actually isn't a bad price for living in a gaming house in my opinion. However, taking part of your streaming revenue? That's just aweful. When I first heard of Ministry of Win their message came across to me as a place where European players can come together, have fun, and practice hard. Although I probably should have realized its a place that has to earn money to make the place even worth it in the first place. I sincerely hope that all of the players just leave, especially Ret. Hopefully Destiny is having seconds thoughts as well.
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On September 13 2012 05:51 Blennd wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 05:47 phodacbiet wrote:On September 13 2012 05:44 Blennd wrote:On September 13 2012 05:37 Kaitlin wrote:On September 13 2012 05:33 Apolo wrote:On September 13 2012 05:30 Martijn wrote:On September 13 2012 05:23 Destiny wrote:On September 13 2012 05:17 Martijn wrote:
Just so we're clear. If you pay someone for a service, and that service is then not rendered for an extended period of the agreed upon time, they can't keep your money even without a receipt. Though I'm all for it and I would encourage everyone to get a receipt in cases like this, if I have to read Destiny or any other idiot post anything more that implies that it would be legally ok for MoW to keep the money because there's no receipt or signed contract, I will blow up a bunny. They still entered into an agreement, they were the ones that told him to leave and they abso-fucking-lutely have to give him the money back for any time he didn't spend there.
Let me just cover myself in saying that in Europe a verbal agreement is still binding, maybe Destiny is not being an idiot but rather just plainly misinformed in that he's following some wacky US law I'm unfamiliar with that would most certainly not apply here. Hey, I gave you $1000 two days ago. I know you didn't give me a receipt or I can't prove in any way that I gave you the money, BUT GIVE IT BACK NOW OR I BLOW UP ALL THE BUNNIEZZZ!111 So you're arguing it would be ok for MoW to deny they ever got the money and that's somehow legally ok? Lets for a second forget about the complete immorality of that statement, that's still just straight up theft. Yeah MoW can lie about the agreement they had with Fuzer, but that does not in any way make it legally ok. By Destiny's logic, if i can't prove something then it's false. Haha. It's not Destiny's logic, it's how the real world works. As anyone involved with law enforcement knows, it's not what you know, it's what you can prove. Wake the fuck up, people. You do understand there's a difference between what you're able to get convicted for and what is legal right? If I kill someone and get rid of all the evidence, I have most certainly done something illegal. You have done something illegal, yes, but you wouldnt be convicted for it. Thats the thing, sure Boss could be doing something illegal, but if you CANT prove it, you CANT convict him for it. For all we know he could be running a crack house somewhere on the moon, but if you dont have evidence for that, you cant punish him. You mean a court of law can't punish him. I, and everyone else in the esports community most certainly could punish him by e-mailing sponsors, refusing to do business with him, players could move out of the MoW, etc. People aren't courts, and if you only act on things that you believe to be true beyond a reasonable doubt, you are very silly.
Mods: Blendd told me on Skype that he was hacking this website and was going to DDOS the site and SC2 accounts of everyone posting in this thread. I have no evidence, but this isn't a court of law. We, as People, need to act on this, so that we're not silly.
Btw, he also told me he likes to lick his dog's ass.
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On September 13 2012 05:46 chindy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 05:36 TOCHMY wrote:On September 13 2012 05:31 MagicalGirl wrote:On September 13 2012 05:12 FabledIntegral wrote:On September 13 2012 03:52 seanisgrand wrote:
12 players. 7200 euro/mo for rent PLUS a cut of a minimum of 60 hours of their streaming profits DAILY.
Better be feeding them hella good...
oh wait You're from the U.S. That rent, by U.S. standards, would be atrociously insufficient. Of course, it may be in the middle of buttfuck nowhere, I don't know, but considering the services provided, I would say they could not come even close to covering their costs with 7200 euros per month. It's simply not realistic. Also, streaming revenue is highly dependent on the player. If you're one of the people with 120 viewers, your streaming revenue is negligible anyways. MoW is meant to be a business. While I think the 10-year thing is ridiculous if true concerning joining another team, it is completely reasonable in terms of opening a house of their own (assuming it's for-profit). I would assume streaming revenue couldn't be taken on their "days off" like weekends or whatever as well. The fact food is even supplied at 600 Euros a month, with gas/water, Internet/utilities, and the actual amount of equipment and services provided, is once again, in my eyes, a fucking steal. I'd bet if they disclosed their financial statements you'd find they'd be operating on a very marginal profit margin. I'd be surprised if they've been able to even recoup their initial total investment, which is most likely leveraged in the first place and thus they'll also have to pay interest. People that think the costs to the players are ridiculous are people that have absolutely no concept of finances. Bro, when I lived with my parents overseas we were renting 8 bedroom 4 bath houses for 2500 euros a month in German and English cities. I know this is all anecdotal evidence, but I'm just letting you know that with 7200 euros a month (probably more since they are getting some streaming revenue, maybe some sponsors and not every player is probably paying the same amount) you should EASILY be able to afford something like the MoW setup. Easily. Easily, especially in Poland, quite a cheap country to live in For those people who dont know anything about european prices etc...What are 600 € Swizerland: u can´t even affort your food per month for 600€ not to mention any kind of living or dont even think of having good food. a small cup of coffee costs about 7sFr(5€/6,5dollar) the Same with Sweden Norway/maybe GB; Austria/Germany/FR/North of Italy: you could affor the rent for a very small appartement if it is not in the center of a town or anywhere near a famous street or building or sight. but thats it no food or anything.... PL/Czech rep./Hungary/mb a few other eastern european countries: 600€ is enough. and they get that from every player + sponsors.
Am I reading this correctly, you're saying you cant afford food for a month for 600Euro's in Sweden?
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I want to read Mow's statement hope they get it out soon
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On September 13 2012 05:50 insanet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 05:48 Kasu wrote:
Can someone clear this up for me? As I understand it, MoW doesn't employt players, it is providing them with accomodation & food. In which case all this undisclosed stuff in the contract, stream revenue over a flat fee and refusal to let a lawyer look over it is a pile of shit. Any landlord tries that kind of shit, he can fuck right off. But I guess all it comes down to is Fuzer going home feeling shat on. Fuzer never asked for all the money. read again. he did the math for what would be fair to get back.
Not even remotely what I was talking about. read again.
I wanted to know the nature of the agreement between MoW and players, because the behaviour over the contract wouldn't fly for a second as a landlord over here, but employer-employee contracts are a whole different thing.
Edit: Just to be totally clear, I'm not talking about Fuzer having left at all, but about MoW's behaviour/attitude towards the players and the service they are providing.
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On September 13 2012 05:54 mememolly wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 05:52 S_SienZ wrote:On September 13 2012 05:50 mememolly wrote:On September 13 2012 05:46 chindy wrote:On September 13 2012 05:36 TOCHMY wrote:On September 13 2012 05:31 MagicalGirl wrote:On September 13 2012 05:12 FabledIntegral wrote:On September 13 2012 03:52 seanisgrand wrote:
12 players. 7200 euro/mo for rent PLUS a cut of a minimum of 60 hours of their streaming profits DAILY.
Better be feeding them hella good...
oh wait You're from the U.S. That rent, by U.S. standards, would be atrociously insufficient. Of course, it may be in the middle of buttfuck nowhere, I don't know, but considering the services provided, I would say they could not come even close to covering their costs with 7200 euros per month. It's simply not realistic. Also, streaming revenue is highly dependent on the player. If you're one of the people with 120 viewers, your streaming revenue is negligible anyways. MoW is meant to be a business. While I think the 10-year thing is ridiculous if true concerning joining another team, it is completely reasonable in terms of opening a house of their own (assuming it's for-profit). I would assume streaming revenue couldn't be taken on their "days off" like weekends or whatever as well. The fact food is even supplied at 600 Euros a month, with gas/water, Internet/utilities, and the actual amount of equipment and services provided, is once again, in my eyes, a fucking steal. I'd bet if they disclosed their financial statements you'd find they'd be operating on a very marginal profit margin. I'd be surprised if they've been able to even recoup their initial total investment, which is most likely leveraged in the first place and thus they'll also have to pay interest. People that think the costs to the players are ridiculous are people that have absolutely no concept of finances. Bro, when I lived with my parents overseas we were renting 8 bedroom 4 bath houses for 2500 euros a month in German and English cities. I know this is all anecdotal evidence, but I'm just letting you know that with 7200 euros a month (probably more since they are getting some streaming revenue, maybe some sponsors and not every player is probably paying the same amount) you should EASILY be able to afford something like the MoW setup. Easily. Easily, especially in Poland, quite a cheap country to live in For those people who dont know anything about european prices etc...What are 600 € Swizerland: u can´t even affort your food per month for 600€ not to mention any kind of living or dont even think of having good food. a small cup of coffee costs about 7sFr(5€/6,5dollar) the Same with Sweden Norway/maybe GB; Austria/Germany/FR/North of Italy: you could affor the rent for a very small appartement if it is not in the center of a town or anywhere near a famous street or building or sight. but thats it no food or anything.... PL/Czech rep./Hungary/mb a few other eastern european countries: 600€ is enough. and they get that from every player + sponsors. 600 euros is probably a nice bit of money in poland, rent in the UK for a shared house is £300 a month or so depends on where and how nice the house is etc, but I paid like £300 a month in a major city in a shared house with bros (4 including me) Rent in UK varies GREATLY depending on your location. I live in central London during term time and £300 won't even cover my weekly rent, whereas it would get my friend a nice loft in Coventry for a month. no shit, my friends in London pay like £800 a month and that's cheap, £300 wouldn't cover a week? damn son
London is a pretty big place though, I live literally central central, right in the middle of Zone 1.
When I was looking for a place to stay and searched under £250 a week in the agency's site. NOTHING popped up.
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On September 13 2012 05:53 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 05:51 chindy wrote:On September 13 2012 05:50 karpo wrote:On September 13 2012 05:46 chindy wrote:On September 13 2012 05:36 TOCHMY wrote:On September 13 2012 05:31 MagicalGirl wrote:On September 13 2012 05:12 FabledIntegral wrote:On September 13 2012 03:52 seanisgrand wrote:
12 players. 7200 euro/mo for rent PLUS a cut of a minimum of 60 hours of their streaming profits DAILY.
Better be feeding them hella good...
oh wait You're from the U.S. That rent, by U.S. standards, would be atrociously insufficient. Of course, it may be in the middle of buttfuck nowhere, I don't know, but considering the services provided, I would say they could not come even close to covering their costs with 7200 euros per month. It's simply not realistic. Also, streaming revenue is highly dependent on the player. If you're one of the people with 120 viewers, your streaming revenue is negligible anyways. MoW is meant to be a business. While I think the 10-year thing is ridiculous if true concerning joining another team, it is completely reasonable in terms of opening a house of their own (assuming it's for-profit). I would assume streaming revenue couldn't be taken on their "days off" like weekends or whatever as well. The fact food is even supplied at 600 Euros a month, with gas/water, Internet/utilities, and the actual amount of equipment and services provided, is once again, in my eyes, a fucking steal. I'd bet if they disclosed their financial statements you'd find they'd be operating on a very marginal profit margin. I'd be surprised if they've been able to even recoup their initial total investment, which is most likely leveraged in the first place and thus they'll also have to pay interest. People that think the costs to the players are ridiculous are people that have absolutely no concept of finances. Bro, when I lived with my parents overseas we were renting 8 bedroom 4 bath houses for 2500 euros a month in German and English cities. I know this is all anecdotal evidence, but I'm just letting you know that with 7200 euros a month (probably more since they are getting some streaming revenue, maybe some sponsors and not every player is probably paying the same amount) you should EASILY be able to afford something like the MoW setup. Easily. Easily, especially in Poland, quite a cheap country to live in For those people who dont know anything about european prices etc...What are 600 € Swizerland: u can´t even affort your food per month for 600€ not to mention any kind of living or dont even think of having good food. a small cup of coffee costs about 7sFr(5€/6,5dollar) the Same with Sweden Norway/maybe GB; Not true of sweden. A large coffe from a high end place is like 4 bucks. You'd have to eat out every day of the week to spend 600€ a month on food here. Yea but you dont eat meat or drink any alcohol... I'm pretty sure i do. Even if i buy expensive breakfast and lunch out it's still not close to that kind of cash.
damn that i was totally wrong about sweden but im sure im right about CH cus i live near the border in austria. and im pretty sure im right about Norway cus i talked with a few norwegians about that too
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On September 13 2012 05:54 Ficetool wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 05:50 omgimonfire15 wrote:
Why are people blowing up over destiny's comments? All he is saying is that no matter how immoral, dickish, and evil the MOW boss is, unless it is proven he has done something illegal, no legal action can be taken. He's not excusing his actions or saying that what he did is okay. He is saying legally, there is nothing that was done wrong (at least from what we know). You can't sue someone if you gave them money and didn't sign a contract or get evidence that you made a legal transaction. But as this is not what people want to read...they don't read it that way....welcome to the internet
It's not about what people want to read, it's about what was actually written by the original poster. Again, the issue has never been legality - it's about bad treatment by a business entity in the Gaming Industry. Very simple.
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Everyone should let MoW say their piece. In the meantime, don't worry about Ret.
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