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On September 13 2012 05:50 mememolly wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 05:46 chindy wrote:On September 13 2012 05:36 TOCHMY wrote:On September 13 2012 05:31 MagicalGirl wrote:On September 13 2012 05:12 FabledIntegral wrote:On September 13 2012 03:52 seanisgrand wrote:
12 players. 7200 euro/mo for rent PLUS a cut of a minimum of 60 hours of their streaming profits DAILY.
Better be feeding them hella good...
oh wait You're from the U.S. That rent, by U.S. standards, would be atrociously insufficient. Of course, it may be in the middle of buttfuck nowhere, I don't know, but considering the services provided, I would say they could not come even close to covering their costs with 7200 euros per month. It's simply not realistic. Also, streaming revenue is highly dependent on the player. If you're one of the people with 120 viewers, your streaming revenue is negligible anyways. MoW is meant to be a business. While I think the 10-year thing is ridiculous if true concerning joining another team, it is completely reasonable in terms of opening a house of their own (assuming it's for-profit). I would assume streaming revenue couldn't be taken on their "days off" like weekends or whatever as well. The fact food is even supplied at 600 Euros a month, with gas/water, Internet/utilities, and the actual amount of equipment and services provided, is once again, in my eyes, a fucking steal. I'd bet if they disclosed their financial statements you'd find they'd be operating on a very marginal profit margin. I'd be surprised if they've been able to even recoup their initial total investment, which is most likely leveraged in the first place and thus they'll also have to pay interest. People that think the costs to the players are ridiculous are people that have absolutely no concept of finances. Bro, when I lived with my parents overseas we were renting 8 bedroom 4 bath houses for 2500 euros a month in German and English cities. I know this is all anecdotal evidence, but I'm just letting you know that with 7200 euros a month (probably more since they are getting some streaming revenue, maybe some sponsors and not every player is probably paying the same amount) you should EASILY be able to afford something like the MoW setup. Easily. Easily, especially in Poland, quite a cheap country to live in For those people who dont know anything about european prices etc...What are 600 € Swizerland: u can´t even affort your food per month for 600€ not to mention any kind of living or dont even think of having good food. a small cup of coffee costs about 7sFr(5€/6,5dollar) the Same with Sweden Norway/maybe GB; Austria/Germany/FR/North of Italy: you could affor the rent for a very small appartement if it is not in the center of a town or anywhere near a famous street or building or sight. but thats it no food or anything.... PL/Czech rep./Hungary/mb a few other eastern european countries: 600€ is enough. and they get that from every player + sponsors. 600 euros is probably a nice bit of money in poland, rent in the UK for a shared house is £300 a month or so depends on where and how nice the house is etc, but I paid like £300 a month in a major city in a shared house with bros (4 including me)
2500 zł is indeed nice bit of money in poland. 1500 zł before taxes is minimum wage per month right now. For 2,5k you can rent apartment (2 or 3 rooms) in big city and plenty of $$ will be left for food and others stuff...
Imo those guys who pay this kind of money to stay in this 'prohouse' got fucked in the ass badly.
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Being as objective as possible: If the Skype logs are true then the Boss is legally correct, no proof that money transferred hands = money never transferred hands in the legal system.
However, if those logs are true, then it's a really shitty way to treat people, especially if you're trying to build a brand that people respect.
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On September 13 2012 05:58 Daray wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 05:55 Thinasy wrote:On September 13 2012 05:46 chindy wrote:On September 13 2012 05:36 TOCHMY wrote:On September 13 2012 05:31 MagicalGirl wrote:On September 13 2012 05:12 FabledIntegral wrote:On September 13 2012 03:52 seanisgrand wrote:
12 players. 7200 euro/mo for rent PLUS a cut of a minimum of 60 hours of their streaming profits DAILY.
Better be feeding them hella good...
oh wait You're from the U.S. That rent, by U.S. standards, would be atrociously insufficient. Of course, it may be in the middle of buttfuck nowhere, I don't know, but considering the services provided, I would say they could not come even close to covering their costs with 7200 euros per month. It's simply not realistic. Also, streaming revenue is highly dependent on the player. If you're one of the people with 120 viewers, your streaming revenue is negligible anyways. MoW is meant to be a business. While I think the 10-year thing is ridiculous if true concerning joining another team, it is completely reasonable in terms of opening a house of their own (assuming it's for-profit). I would assume streaming revenue couldn't be taken on their "days off" like weekends or whatever as well. The fact food is even supplied at 600 Euros a month, with gas/water, Internet/utilities, and the actual amount of equipment and services provided, is once again, in my eyes, a fucking steal. I'd bet if they disclosed their financial statements you'd find they'd be operating on a very marginal profit margin. I'd be surprised if they've been able to even recoup their initial total investment, which is most likely leveraged in the first place and thus they'll also have to pay interest. People that think the costs to the players are ridiculous are people that have absolutely no concept of finances. Bro, when I lived with my parents overseas we were renting 8 bedroom 4 bath houses for 2500 euros a month in German and English cities. I know this is all anecdotal evidence, but I'm just letting you know that with 7200 euros a month (probably more since they are getting some streaming revenue, maybe some sponsors and not every player is probably paying the same amount) you should EASILY be able to afford something like the MoW setup. Easily. Easily, especially in Poland, quite a cheap country to live in For those people who dont know anything about european prices etc...What are 600 € Swizerland: u can´t even affort your food per month for 600€ not to mention any kind of living or dont even think of having good food. a small cup of coffee costs about 7sFr(5€/6,5dollar) the Same with Sweden Norway/maybe GB; Austria/Germany/FR/North of Italy: you could affor the rent for a very small appartement if it is not in the center of a town or anywhere near a famous street or building or sight. but thats it no food or anything.... PL/Czech rep./Hungary/mb a few other eastern european countries: 600€ is enough. and they get that from every player + sponsors. Am I reading this correctly, you're saying you cant afford food for a month for 600Euro's in Sweden? That's 20 euros per day. I could probably eat quality beef sirloin every day in Finland with that 
No way... I was in Finland back in.... 96? The beef price was RIDICULOUS! I did not have beef or lamb once the whole 4 month there because I couldn't afford it. Chicken was good though.
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On September 13 2012 05:50 omgimonfire15 wrote:
Why are people blowing up over destiny's comments? All he is saying is that no matter how immoral, dickish, and evil the MOW boss is, unless it is proven he has done something illegal, no legal action can be taken. He's not excusing his actions or saying that what he did is okay. He is saying legally, there is nothing that was done wrong (at least from what we know). You can't sue someone if you gave them money and didn't sign a contract or get evidence that you made a legal transaction.
Funnily that was never questioned by anyone. What are you trying to say us? That in front of a court accusations need to be proven? Thanks caption obvious, every 14 year old knows that. The statement always was that is is illegal to keep the money for a non-delivered service, even if there is no signed contract or receipt. There still might be witnesses or other ways to prove the money was paid by Fuzer.
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On September 13 2012 05:50 amazingxkcd wrote:
It is possible for us to actually see the contract
Considering 98% of the readers here know nothing about law, I wouldn't think it's necessary. Everyone that needs to be involved is already involved.
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and i thought this is heavily sponsored and players live there for free ... looool, silly me.
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On September 13 2012 05:59 mahO wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 05:53 Inzult wrote:
For those people who dont know anything about european prices etc...What are 600 €
Swizerland: u can´t even affort your food per month for 600€ not to mention any kind of living or dont even think of having good food. a small cup of coffee costs about 7sFr(5€/6,5dollar)
the Same with Sweden Norway/maybe GB;
Austria/Germany/FR/North of Italy:
you could affor the rent for a very small appartement if it is not in the center of a town or anywhere near a famous street or building or sight. but thats it no food or anything....
PL/Czech rep./Hungary/mb a few other eastern european countries:
600€ is enough. and they get that from every player + sponsors.
I live in Sweden with the rent at about 380 euros. You can easily live here with 600 euros but you will not have alot of money  Huh where do you live and when can I become your new roommate? you cant live decently with 600 euros in a mid population french town, and I went to Copenhagen and Malmo, you could just tell that everything was 30% higher, even compared to Paris, I mean, how?
You don't live decently off 600 euro, but you most certainly don't need 600 euro for food
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On September 13 2012 05:58 nkr wrote:
I'm a student in sweden, living off roughly 950 euro a month. I can afford my rent at 520 euro (internet etc included), food, clothing and all that other jazz
Food for 600 euro? Wtf are you eating D:
i ment living and food  you are eating 80€ food per month come on admit you need more than 80 € per month for food
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On September 13 2012 05:57 Martinni wrote:
On the other points, he shouldn't expect to have someone guide him through practice, meals and exercise. He should be mature enough to do that on his own!
This was some of the stuff they have advertised that they were offering. Read up on your shit before posting nonsense.
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4 minutes left technically...
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So you have to pay 600 euros a month AND give them some of your streaming money? We're talking about poland here.
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As much as i don't like it, Destiny is completely right this time. The financial world is not a world full of care bears and bronies. Not in the slightest. Its more like a shark-tank, and you need to be at least as sharp as "them".
If you give 600 euro to someone without getting a receipt, contract or at least some written (and signed) post-it, please.. Don't complain afterwards. Don't get me wrong, its a dickmove, but it's a predictable dickmove.
I hope it turns out for the best for you fuzer, but i also hope you learned the lesson. As we all did at some points in our lifes (i got ripped off buying a used car a couple of years ago, shit like that happens - i would even call it "normal").
Rest of you: wake up and welcome to the real world.
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On September 13 2012 05:41 niiir wrote:
TU JEST POLSKA, TU SIE PIJE A NIE GRA W PROHOUSIE
LOL'd.
Sad but actually true :D
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On September 13 2012 06:00 monXikk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 05:50 mememolly wrote:On September 13 2012 05:46 chindy wrote:On September 13 2012 05:36 TOCHMY wrote:On September 13 2012 05:31 MagicalGirl wrote:On September 13 2012 05:12 FabledIntegral wrote:On September 13 2012 03:52 seanisgrand wrote:
12 players. 7200 euro/mo for rent PLUS a cut of a minimum of 60 hours of their streaming profits DAILY.
Better be feeding them hella good...
oh wait You're from the U.S. That rent, by U.S. standards, would be atrociously insufficient. Of course, it may be in the middle of buttfuck nowhere, I don't know, but considering the services provided, I would say they could not come even close to covering their costs with 7200 euros per month. It's simply not realistic. Also, streaming revenue is highly dependent on the player. If you're one of the people with 120 viewers, your streaming revenue is negligible anyways. MoW is meant to be a business. While I think the 10-year thing is ridiculous if true concerning joining another team, it is completely reasonable in terms of opening a house of their own (assuming it's for-profit). I would assume streaming revenue couldn't be taken on their "days off" like weekends or whatever as well. The fact food is even supplied at 600 Euros a month, with gas/water, Internet/utilities, and the actual amount of equipment and services provided, is once again, in my eyes, a fucking steal. I'd bet if they disclosed their financial statements you'd find they'd be operating on a very marginal profit margin. I'd be surprised if they've been able to even recoup their initial total investment, which is most likely leveraged in the first place and thus they'll also have to pay interest. People that think the costs to the players are ridiculous are people that have absolutely no concept of finances. Bro, when I lived with my parents overseas we were renting 8 bedroom 4 bath houses for 2500 euros a month in German and English cities. I know this is all anecdotal evidence, but I'm just letting you know that with 7200 euros a month (probably more since they are getting some streaming revenue, maybe some sponsors and not every player is probably paying the same amount) you should EASILY be able to afford something like the MoW setup. Easily. Easily, especially in Poland, quite a cheap country to live in For those people who dont know anything about european prices etc...What are 600 € Swizerland: u can´t even affort your food per month for 600€ not to mention any kind of living or dont even think of having good food. a small cup of coffee costs about 7sFr(5€/6,5dollar) the Same with Sweden Norway/maybe GB; Austria/Germany/FR/North of Italy: you could affor the rent for a very small appartement if it is not in the center of a town or anywhere near a famous street or building or sight. but thats it no food or anything.... PL/Czech rep./Hungary/mb a few other eastern european countries: 600€ is enough. and they get that from every player + sponsors. 600 euros is probably a nice bit of money in poland, rent in the UK for a shared house is £300 a month or so depends on where and how nice the house is etc, but I paid like £300 a month in a major city in a shared house with bros (4 including me) 2500 zł is indeed nice bit of money in poland. 1500 zł before taxes is minimum wage per month right now. For 2,5k you can rent apartment (2 or 3 rooms) in big city and plenty of $$ will be left for food and others stuff... Imo those guys who pay this kind of money to stay in this 'prohouse' got fucked in the ass badly.
Yeah 600 EUR is a bit of a rip off here.
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On September 13 2012 04:06 MinistryOfWin wrote:
Official statement of Ministry of Win to be released within two hours.
Any minute now.
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On September 13 2012 05:58 Fuzer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 05:57 Martinni wrote:
Honestly he shouldn't have even moved in without signing the contract! The way I understand it the boss gave him a deadline to sign or leave (because he waited a month for it and that was enough). The player wasn't responsible enough to deal with that earlier.
On the other points, he shouldn't expect to have someone guide him through practice, meals and exercise. He should be mature enough to do that on his own! When the deadline came same day as it was.
You knew you had a contract to sign before going there and still waited a month before while you were there to deal with it. Not to sound like a dick, but you had plenty of time to review it, you should have taken care of your stuff better.
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On September 13 2012 05:59 Tula wrote:
The op is not 100% clear on the next point, but what I understand is that his lawyer either never got it or only received it after serious trouble, Fuzer decided he could not sign that contract (so far that is still within his rights). MoW decided he has to move out (also well within their rights) BUT if they want to behave legally they now have to give him this months rent back (the percentage not consumed if they want to be precise). Anything else they did would be illegal..
The way I read it, it seems like MoW wouldn't let Fuzer give his contact to a lawyer without the lawyer first providing proof to MoW that he was a lawyer.
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On September 13 2012 05:59 mahO wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 05:53 Inzult wrote:
For those people who dont know anything about european prices etc...What are 600 €
Swizerland: u can´t even affort your food per month for 600€ not to mention any kind of living or dont even think of having good food. a small cup of coffee costs about 7sFr(5€/6,5dollar)
the Same with Sweden Norway/maybe GB;
Austria/Germany/FR/North of Italy:
you could affor the rent for a very small appartement if it is not in the center of a town or anywhere near a famous street or building or sight. but thats it no food or anything....
PL/Czech rep./Hungary/mb a few other eastern european countries:
600€ is enough. and they get that from every player + sponsors.
I live in Sweden with the rent at about 380 euros. You can easily live here with 600 euros but you will not have alot of money Huh where do you live and when can I become your new roommate? you cant live decently with 600 euros in a mid population french town, and I went to Copenhagen and Malmo, you could just tell that everything was 30% higher, even compared to Paris, I mean, how?
I live in the northern part of Sweden in one of the biggest towns here in a 40 square metre apartment. It is a bit cheaper here up north but i would definatly be able to live with having only 600 euro a month if i don't go out every weekend and stuff like that.
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