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Stop derailing with living cost talk On September 13 2012 07:51 MinistryOfWin wrote: Press Release: http://www.ministryofwin.com/news/press-release-september-13th-2012 Stay tuned for the article on ESFIWORLD.com. - Wednesday, Sep 12 10:51pm GMT (GMT+00:00) On September 13 2012 08:02 MinistryOfWin wrote: http://esfiworld.com/news/ministry-win-respond-fuzers-claims - Wednesday, Sep 12 11:02pm GMT (GMT+00:00) | ||
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Dumbtruck
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Vermiiifuuge
Korea (South)112 Posts
Edit: e.i He would've kept the money otherwise | ||
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Repomies
Finland73 Posts
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On September 13 2012 04:57 Vermiiifuuge wrote: Yeah, having to sign an NDA to see the contract seems very legit and doesnt scream "something fishy's going on" at all! NDA's are pretty common... They don't cover anything fishy, they are meant to keep your competitors in the dark about what you are doing... | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On September 13 2012 05:05 Destiny wrote: "Something fishy's going", you have absolutely no fucking idea what you're talking about. The fuck are you, some 18 year old frosh in college who thinks he knows everything about the business world? Ten people want to go to the MoW. Two of them are big names. When negotiating all of the contracts, the house wants to find a way to keep everyone happy but also to keep itself sustained, financially. I know how much you all BLEED E-SPORTS but money is kind of fucking important, the real world doesn't run on HOPES AND DREAMS AND RAINBOWS. If there were no NDAs to negotiate contracts, the two big name players see that they have to pay a bit more to stay at the house than the smaller players. Now all of a sudden they feel ripped off, and they don't want to go because they feel like they're subsidizing the existence of everyone else there. Now they pull out and the 8 smaller names all have to pay a larger share than they can afford, etc...etc... Or take teams for instance. You don't think there's an NDA attached to every single contract that a player signs? What if Stephano was being negotiated with and he thought he was worth 2X as much as HuK, and he was able to read HuK's contract exactly. EG now has no ability to negotiate with him. etc...etc...etc... There are reasons NDA's and NCC's exist in the business world, and it's not that "something fishy HURR DURR" is going on. It's because people want to protect their financial interests and their ability to operate as a business. You left out the unicorns Steven. | ||
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sVnteen
Germany2238 Posts
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Negius
Netherlands290 Posts
On September 13 2012 04:59 lim1017 wrote: I'm No lawyer, and i dont know about contract law over in Europe... but i have taken some business law classes that cover contract law In Canada at least the MoW would have had to point out these "essential" "major" "important" or w/e you want to call them clauses. Especially if English is English is not your major language. For example: if you brought that contract up to a non english speaking person and they signed it without having it explained to them it would probably be made invalid. This I feel is what should have happened: they should indeed have done a better job explaining the contract, maybe even get a translator who's familiar with the Finnish language. I think it is sad that there are contracts which have clauses like this, it seems like it's not about growing e-sports, but just making a lot of money. I am really curious about the statement from the other party, but where there's smoke, there's fire, I guess. | ||
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Vermiiifuuge
Korea (South)112 Posts
On September 13 2012 05:06 GreEny K wrote: NDA's are pretty common... They don't cover anything fishy, they are meant to keep your competitors in the dark about what you are doing... I know it's standard. Doesnt make it less fishy, though. Compared to what else is going on in the business world, this MoW drama is quite innocent. Such a sad world we live in. | ||
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Giantt
Bulgaria82 Posts
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mikkmagro
Malta1513 Posts
b) Never enter into a costly venture without first making sure everything is understood (and thus, a contract the terms of which are mutually agreed to by the parties). c) Non compete clauses are not uncommon, particularly in employment contracts for fields of businesses which might be deemed 'innovative'. d) A non-compete clause would be extremely hard and costly for MoW to enforce, especially if you're in a different country. e) The contract talks about setting up a house yourself, or becoming a coach in such a house; it is NOT a prohibition from entering any other gaming house - this is just misinformation. f) Whoever said that the contract needed to be in Finnish is wrong. Some contracts must be translated, such as transactions involving immovable property etc, but not a rendition of service and a revenue share agreement like this one. (this might differ from country to country, but I doubt that it is widely different across continental Europe). g) As regards the money from streaming, it's unfair of them not to have mentioned it (though it was pretty obvious, as the MoW guys have talked about them scheduling streams from their players in interviews etc in the past), even so, people should condemn them for not having mentioned it, but not for asking for it. This is a very time-consuming business at the end of the day, they have a right to make money off it, particularly since they're the only people who offer such a service (unless you're on one of the few teams owning a house). | ||
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Leijona
Finland56 Posts
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/zs2bh/drama_in_mow_house/c678kmj | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On September 13 2012 05:06 sVnteen wrote: oh ret I hope you didn't sign the same contract... I don't think Jos plans on starting his own house anytime soon, so I'm sure he's fine with it. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
And lol MOW so bad, that contract sounds stupid and silly 660 euro to stay there and revenue % and u have to stream 150hours a month LOL, no thanks | ||
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BlackPanther
United States872 Posts
On September 13 2012 05:05 Destiny wrote: "Something fishy's going", you have absolutely no fucking idea what you're talking about. The fuck are you, some 18 year old frosh in college who thinks he knows everything about the business world? Ten people want to go to the MoW. Two of them are big names. When negotiating all of the contracts, the house wants to find a way to keep everyone happy but also to keep itself sustained, financially. I know how much you all BLEED E-SPORTS but money is kind of fucking important, the real world doesn't run on HOPES AND DREAMS AND RAINBOWS. If there were no NDAs to negotiate contracts, the two big name players see that they have to pay a bit more to stay at the house than the smaller players. Now all of a sudden they feel ripped off, and they don't want to go because they feel like they're subsidizing the existence of everyone else there. Now they pull out and the 8 smaller names all have to pay a larger share than they can afford, etc...etc... Or take teams for instance. You don't think there's an NDA attached to every single contract that a player signs? What if Stephano was being negotiated with and he thought he was worth 2X as much as HuK, and he was able to read HuK's contract exactly. EG now has no ability to negotiate with him. etc...etc...etc... There are reasons NDA's and NCC's exist in the business world, and it's not that "something fishy HURR DURR" is going on. It's because people want to protect their financial interests and their ability to operate as a business. This isn't employment though. This is a service being paid for by Fuzer. Why does such thing exist in this service? | ||
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RonNation
United States385 Posts
On September 13 2012 05:07 Giantt wrote: I have to say Fuzer is wrong in this case. If he failed to understand the terms of the contract I dont see how this can be MoW's fault. Why am I saying this? A month-two ago MoW manager contacted me about joining their house. At the end I had to refuse due to my personal reasons, but I have to say he was extremely patient, answering all of my queestions during ~ 3 weeks, explaining everything in details INCLUDING that I would be required to put a lot of efforts towards creating high quality stream that would generate profit of which they would take significant portion. Did you read what he typed? Fuzer attempted to get a copy of the contract to his lawyer and MoW refused.. | ||
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short
Sweden148 Posts
On September 13 2012 05:07 Leijona wrote: Turns out MoW "boss" is some old criminal. Funny that all the Polish have been silent of this all along. http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/zs2bh/drama_in_mow_house/c678kmj Well, this just gets better and better. | ||
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Vermiiifuuge
Korea (South)112 Posts
On September 13 2012 05:05 Destiny wrote: "Something fishy's going", you have absolutely no fucking idea what you're talking about. The fuck are you, some 18 year old frosh in college who thinks he knows everything about the business world? Ten people want to go to the MoW. Two of them are big names. When negotiating all of the contracts, the house wants to find a way to keep everyone happy but also to keep itself sustained, financially. I know how much you all BLEED E-SPORTS but money is kind of fucking important, the real world doesn't run on HOPES AND DREAMS AND RAINBOWS. If there were no NDAs to negotiate contracts, the two big name players see that they have to pay a bit more to stay at the house than the smaller players. Now all of a sudden they feel ripped off, and they don't want to go because they feel like they're subsidizing the existence of everyone else there. Now they pull out and the 8 smaller names all have to pay a larger share than they can afford, etc...etc... Or take teams for instance. You don't think there's an NDA attached to every single contract that a player signs? What if Stephano was being negotiated with and he thought he was worth 2X as much as HuK, and he was able to read HuK's contract exactly. EG now has no ability to negotiate with him. etc...etc...etc... There are reasons NDA's and NCC's exist in the business world, and it's not that "something fishy HURR DURR" is going on. It's because people want to protect their financial interests and their ability to operate as a business. I am quite aware this is the way of the (business) world. But thanks for assuming my ignorance. | ||
zere
Germany1287 Posts
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Xcobidoo
Sweden1871 Posts
On September 13 2012 05:07 StarStruck wrote: I don't think Jos plans on starting his own house anytime soon, so I'm sure he's fine with it. He could probably start a wicked house though, and his only payment would be brownies and cigarettes | ||
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Fuzer
Finland266 Posts
On September 13 2012 05:09 zere wrote: Samuli where are you now do you need a place to stay for the weekend? Far away from Poland. In Finland, came today. | ||
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