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juicyjames *
Profile Joined August 2011
United States3815 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 11:25:07
September 12 2012 10:53 GMT
#1
International = Protoss 46.6% - Terran 51.3% - Zerg 52.2% / PvT 46.3% - ZvT 51.1% - ZvP 53.1%

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http://twitter.com/SC2Statistics/status/245806657186172928

We look to be missing some games. especially Korea, so I'll hold those charts for a while.
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SCG.StatiC
Profile Joined April 2012
South Africa33 Posts
September 12 2012 11:16 GMT
#2
No korean stats? Anyway protoss is back to having the lowest winrate so everything is normal.
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
September 12 2012 11:22 GMT
#3
Would be interesting to see KR winrates given how well Protoss did in WCS, GSL etc.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
September 12 2012 11:24 GMT
#4
interesting change in winrates even without the proposed balance change; will be interesting to see the korean ones
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Grapefruit
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany439 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 11:59:08
September 12 2012 11:58 GMT
#5
Aaand here we go again. Nice to see how much the win-rates can fluctuate without any balance changes.
Starcraft 2 is funny, everybody picks the race, which he considers to be the weakest. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
syriuszonito
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland332 Posts
September 12 2012 12:02 GMT
#6
So protoss players still didnt learn how to play this game and zvt is getting more and more balanced. Cant wait to see korean graphs though.
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ThePlayer33
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia2378 Posts
September 12 2012 12:03 GMT
#7
On September 12 2012 21:02 syriuszonito wrote:
So protoss players still didnt learn how to play this game and zvt is getting more and more balanced. Cant wait to see korean graphs though.

all the good protoss goes to korea
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Mentalizor
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark1596 Posts
September 12 2012 12:04 GMT
#8
Oh lawd... At least HotS will be out soonish... I hope blizz is looking at these charts and the current state of the beta
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NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
September 12 2012 12:05 GMT
#9
z v t is looking good, protoss winrates just dropped again this month lol.
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X3GoldDot
Profile Joined August 2011
Malaysia3840 Posts
September 12 2012 12:09 GMT
#10
seeing how well protoss did in wcs korea lol, i dont think it will be this bad for toss in korea
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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
September 12 2012 12:10 GMT
#11
Woaa... Protoss getting destroyed in August? Felt quite the other way around :O
Probably watching too much Korean Starcraft, but who knows how those winrates look like?
Enel
Profile Joined April 2012
Sudan430 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 12:15:09
September 12 2012 12:13 GMT
#12
atleast it isnt 44% for protoss like it was for like a year, but who wants protoss to be good? since protoss started winning, the game has been less fun to watch.
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Adonminus
Profile Joined January 2012
Israel543 Posts
September 12 2012 12:13 GMT
#13
I think the game is pretty balanced. The small 3-4% don't really matter and will shift with the metagame.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45280 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 12:22:47
September 12 2012 12:21 GMT
#14
TvP has Terran ahead by 7.5%, and ZvP has Zerg ahead by 6.2%... what's supposedly the "permissible" range of balance error? 10% total, to account for a split of 5% in each direction?


I wonder what the fundamental reasons for Protoss losing again is... historically, they've done the worst (by far). Is it a lower skill ceiling? Design issues? We just really don't know what the hell we're doing? This month is just a fluke?

It doesn't seem too bad overall.
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Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
September 12 2012 12:22 GMT
#15
Meh no korean stats. Just look at how the Korean top Tosses dominated WCS. If you are good enough Protoss is in a great spot.
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Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 12:24:57
September 12 2012 12:24 GMT
#16
Nestea got stomped.

edit: wrong thread.

OT: game balanced
graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
September 12 2012 12:25 GMT
#17
On September 12 2012 21:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
TvP has Terran ahead by 7.5%, and ZvP has Zerg ahead by 6.2%... what's supposedly the "permissible" range of balance error? 10% total, to account for a split of 5% in each direction?


I wonder what the fundamental reasons for Protoss losing again is... historically, they've done the worst (by far). Is it a lower skill ceiling? Design issues? We just really don't know what the hell we're doing? This month is just a fluke?

It doesn't seem too bad overall.


I think they have too many amove units. You can not micro zealots and colossi to perfection like you can do it with marines.
"Oink oink, bitches" - Tasteless on Pigbaby winning a map against Flash
BobMcJohnson
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
France2916 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 12:27:07
September 12 2012 12:25 GMT
#18
Looks ok, expected protoss to look better, which is probably the case in the Korean stats with the WCS korea games.
Romanes eunt domus
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
September 12 2012 12:29 GMT
#19
On September 12 2012 21:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
TvP has Terran ahead by 7.5%, and ZvP has Zerg ahead by 6.2%... what's supposedly the "permissible" range of balance error? 10% total, to account for a split of 5% in each direction?


I wonder what the fundamental reasons for Protoss losing again is... historically, they've done the worst (by far). Is it a lower skill ceiling? Design issues? We just really don't know what the hell we're doing? This month is just a fluke?

It doesn't seem too bad overall.


Hopefully just a fluke. Hoping for Korea to show 50-50-50
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
September 12 2012 12:34 GMT
#20
Well it looks good. I have a hard time seeing protoss as the "weakest" race tho, even tho it's by a very slim margin.
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