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Hey guys.
How about we drop the conversation regarding her gender and the signing? How does it affect you? Is this really anything new? What are you going to accomplish by attempting to tear her down? The hate/jealously going on here is embarrassing actually.
Christ. Some of you need to grow up. Any discussion on the subject after this post will result in a mandatory temp ban.
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On September 08 2012 04:18 Torte de Lini wrote:
I think the hate is a translation of confusion as to why they would prioritize signing a female player for immediate media short-term hits rather than increasing their team roster for more exposure in team-leagues and thus legitimacy amongst peers and spectators to grow a fanbase to eventually sustain recognition in the long-term
I don't think so. I think it's jealousy and immaturity.
There is a continuum between the pure competitor who doesn't care about anything but winning (e.g. Major, Naniwa) and the pure personality, who is pure entertainment/promotion (e.g., Athene?). Ideally you want someone on a team that can gain viewership, attract sponsors and win tournaments, and represent whatever your team's ideals are (I added the last thinking about TL :D).
Ask yourself--is it harder to make a decent player who is a pleasant person into a competitive player, or to transform a sponsor's nightmare of a personality into a pleasant human? Neither is an easy proposition. But neither should be rejected out of hand as a poor team decision. In fact, while most team leagues would love to have a pure competitor on their roster for an ace match, many teams have also found that it's not worth taking the hit when they say or do something ridiculous.
Unless Infused mortgaged their entire future on a bet the Ailuj is going to win a GSL in the next 9 months, I think this is a solid pickup with tons of upside.
Best of luck to Ailuj and Infused.
EDIT: The no gender thing wasn't up when I hit post. Sorry if I touched on it, but I hope it was in a sufficiently mature way to avoid the banhammer.
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Hey guys, I think if we rage hard enough a team few have ever heard of will drop a harmless player whos trying to make a career. It could effect Code S and Koreans will breathe easier.
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On September 08 2012 05:54 Tao367 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 05:49 EvilTeletubby wrote:
Hey guys.
How about we drop the conversation regarding her gender and the signing? How does it affect you? Is this really anything new? What are you going to accomplish by attempting to tear her down? The hate/jealously going on here is embarrassing actually.
Christ. Some of you need to grow up. Any discussion on the subject after this post will result in a mandatory temp ban. That's just censorship of opinion, if people want to discuss that topic why can't they? As long as it's within team liquid site rules why is it a bad thing?
The day has finally come. TL has turned into the MLG forums! WHY TL?! WHYYYYY?!!!!!
Jokes aside, I don't understand the hate for Julia here. People don't hate on Geoff for being on a team, or MB, or Rotterdam, Painuser, etc etc... (well, aside from their usual anti-fans). If you're building a brand, what better way to get your name out there than to recruit a popular streamer who is also popular at events? This just seems like a case of jealous nerds being jealous.
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On September 08 2012 05:57 Tao367 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 05:56 J.E.G. wrote:On September 08 2012 05:54 Tao367 wrote:On September 08 2012 05:49 EvilTeletubby wrote:
Hey guys.
How about we drop the conversation regarding her gender and the signing? How does it affect you? Is this really anything new? What are you going to accomplish by attempting to tear her down? The hate/jealously going on here is embarrassing actually.
Christ. Some of you need to grow up. Any discussion on the subject after this post will result in a mandatory temp ban. That's just censorship of opinion, if people want to discuss that topic why can't they? As long as it's within team liquid site rules why is it a bad thing? TL.net is not a government, it's a website. They can do whatever they want; get over it. They've already made the disclaimer; Show nested quote +The opinions expressed by our users do not reflect the official position of TeamLiquid.net or its staff. Just my thoughts on it. Nothing more.
So because of said disclaimer there is no need for any moderation even if there are extremely stupid comments about a subject like there are on this thread. You can call it censorship of opinion, I call it moderation.
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Good luck on your new team.
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Good luck to Ailuj and Infused! I know that Infused have helped some up and coming SC2 players like Ziktomini and JonnyRecco. Ignore the haters, and chase your dream.
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On September 08 2012 06:05 Cokefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 05:57 Tao367 wrote:On September 08 2012 05:56 J.E.G. wrote:On September 08 2012 05:54 Tao367 wrote:On September 08 2012 05:49 EvilTeletubby wrote:
Hey guys.
How about we drop the conversation regarding her gender and the signing? How does it affect you? Is this really anything new? What are you going to accomplish by attempting to tear her down? The hate/jealously going on here is embarrassing actually.
Christ. Some of you need to grow up. Any discussion on the subject after this post will result in a mandatory temp ban. That's just censorship of opinion, if people want to discuss that topic why can't they? As long as it's within team liquid site rules why is it a bad thing? TL.net is not a government, it's a website. They can do whatever they want; get over it. They've already made the disclaimer; The opinions expressed by our users do not reflect the official position of TeamLiquid.net or its staff. Just my thoughts on it. Nothing more. So because of said disclaimer there is no need for any moderation even if there are extremely stupid comments about a subject like there are on this thread. You can call it censorship of opinion, I call it moderation.
The funny thing is, I said as long as it's within the rules of the Team Liquid website rules.
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On September 08 2012 05:54 Tao367 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 05:49 EvilTeletubby wrote:
Hey guys.
How about we drop the conversation regarding her gender and the signing? How does it affect you? Is this really anything new? What are you going to accomplish by attempting to tear her down? The hate/jealously going on here is embarrassing actually.
Christ. Some of you need to grow up. Any discussion on the subject after this post will result in a mandatory temp ban. That's just censorship of opinion, if people want to discuss that topic why can't they? As long as it's within team liquid site rules why is it a bad thing?
Perhaps if it had been discussed in a mature, constructive manner, it might be worthwhile to allow that conversation.
It hasn't been.
It's not censorship of opinion, it's about keeping petty bitterness out of a thread where it really shouldn't be.
Ie, Moderation. Fathom that. 
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I like Infused, they have a nice Dota2 team. Good to see she found a team that suits her.
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GL to both parties! Great signing.
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She has a market value more than some of the other players who might be actually better than her. Who cares if you are better than her if you have less market value? As long as she brings to the team more than she is paid for, then there is no problem at all. We all know that she is not gonna win GSL anyways, but that's not her job. Unlike, say, IM Mvp's, being absolute best of the best is not included in her job description, I believe. I wish her best of luck, and hope she is mature enough to ignore some hate messages in this thread. Weaker dogs tend to bark louder. Real boss dog doesn't care ^^.
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On September 08 2012 06:07 Tao367 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 06:05 Cokefreak wrote:On September 08 2012 05:57 Tao367 wrote:On September 08 2012 05:56 J.E.G. wrote:On September 08 2012 05:54 Tao367 wrote:On September 08 2012 05:49 EvilTeletubby wrote:
Hey guys.
How about we drop the conversation regarding her gender and the signing? How does it affect you? Is this really anything new? What are you going to accomplish by attempting to tear her down? The hate/jealously going on here is embarrassing actually.
Christ. Some of you need to grow up. Any discussion on the subject after this post will result in a mandatory temp ban. That's just censorship of opinion, if people want to discuss that topic why can't they? As long as it's within team liquid site rules why is it a bad thing? TL.net is not a government, it's a website. They can do whatever they want; get over it. They've already made the disclaimer; The opinions expressed by our users do not reflect the official position of TeamLiquid.net or its staff. Just my thoughts on it. Nothing more. So because of said disclaimer there is no need for any moderation even if there are extremely stupid comments about a subject like there are on this thread. You can call it censorship of opinion, I call it moderation. The funny thing is, I said as long as it's within the rules of the Team Liquid website rules.
The actually funny thing is you seem to have missed the part about the mod note concerning moderation, not the disclaimer or the commandments.
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I'm not bitter about it, congrats to her for being apart of a team.
However, Infused posted this on a forum dedicated to high end SC2 where top tier teams are prevalent, and they did it in a manner that you would see when a team acquires a new highly skilled pro. This begs the question of why? They're just flaunting their new player for PR, and openly admitting that they don't care if their players can produce tournament results.
What stops me from creating a team and inviting people of any skill level and posting about every new player and how they have a strong drive to play SC2?
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On September 08 2012 03:30 Serimek wrote:
Why no more on CheckSix ?
Check Six sadly disbanded a month or two ago ;_;
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On September 08 2012 04:26 Steglich wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 04:19 ailuj wrote:On September 08 2012 04:15 Steglich wrote:On September 08 2012 04:08 ailuj wrote:On September 08 2012 03:34 -Kyo- wrote:On September 08 2012 03:30 Serimek wrote:
Why no more on CheckSix ? Probably because it's completely disbanded >.> Gl j gurl, hope you keep practicing hard. Thank you Kyo. Also thanks to the other positive comments on here so far, everyone ♥ I'm sorry to those of you who get so butt-hurt that someone you don't know gets support from a team, in which you don't know the circumstances, and literally does not affect you at all. You know these are people you're talking about, right? Who read your comments? Not sure why many people feel the need to be so hateful towards things that really don't affect them? I do not KNOW the circumstances, but I would have to guess that you were not signed because of your skill or dedication to starcraft 2. And who are you to question my dedication or passion for StarCraft 2? I am a master player with all 3 races, not that it gives me any right to 'judge' you. I know what it takes to reach leagues higher than diamond, and if you cannot reach masters league, I would call that a lack of dedication and/or passion for the game.
I had to delete my first dozen attempts to respond to this because they were not civil.
You and many of the other posters in this thread are astonishingly condescending and lack the most basic humanity and empathy. I am sorry for you. Grow up.
I'm glad for Ailuj. You'd have to have passion for SC2 to put up with a community that says things like this. GL!
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@Horuku: Absolutely nothing, you should go for it ^^ (no sarcasm).
Once again great signing. Ignore all the idiots.
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I don't understand the hate. Teams obviously want to sign people who can bring attention to their team and sponsors. For what reason this attention is gained i pretty irrelevant, it can be gaming skills, personality, gender etc. or a combination of any of these factors. You can't compare Julia with your everyday diamond player because she obviously has something beyond her gaming skills that garners attention from a team.
Remember that teams, at least professional teams, are businesses just like any other, and make strategic choices. There is tons of evidence to suggest that player skill is far from everything when it comes to fan following and attention. If this wasn't the case then pretty much every single popular player today would be a Korean who plays 24/7 in a team house.
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On September 08 2012 06:21 Horuku wrote:
I'm not bitter about it, congrats to her for being apart of a team.
However, Infused posted this on a forum dedicated to high end SC2 where top tier teams are prevalent, and they did it in a manner that you would see when a team acquires a new highly skilled pro. This begs the question of why? They're just flaunting their new player for PR, and openly admitting that they don't care if their players can produce tournament results.
What stops me from creating a team and inviting people of any skill level and posting about every new player and how they have a strong drive to play SC2?
because you wouldnt have sponsors and your team wouldnt be relevant at all.
congratz to her anyways, its impressive that she is hot and she is diamond imo, probably she would be one of the best on a proportion beauty/skill.
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Look forward to seeing you at future MLG, and other events!!
Congratulations Julia!@#
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