EPTSituation Report: August 31, 2012 by David Kim - Page 31
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SEA KarMa
Australia452 Posts
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Cramsy
Australia1100 Posts
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Hider
Denmark9407 Posts
On September 01 2012 21:18 Cramsy wrote: I like the stance on waiting it out. I just wish they would do that for the other races instead of just going for it with buffs to everyone else. Yeh if we could go back in time and do everything over again, we would have tanks would still doing 60 damage to everythings. Zergs and toss's should just be more creative in dealing with the insane damage output. | ||
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Zarahtra
Iceland4053 Posts
On September 01 2012 21:06 JimmyJRaynor wrote: if the game was doomed from the start why buy it? The same reason I bought D3, played it for a month and stopped. I expected more. Is the game balanced for top pros? Probably. Reason: They are doing insanely gimmicky plays that are catching the zergs offguard. The meta game for TvZ has taken a nosedive where there isn't any standard play anymore, nothing you could call relatively safe while keeping close to zerg on econ. Either you econ cheese the zerg to keep onpar with him in econ or you do an odd timing. This is simply a terrible way that the game is balanced. Furtheremore it made TvZ an insanely dull MU(from being the most fun, though admittedly it was more fun when mutas were the shit). And lastly it made it so every terran is playing on a razorsedge, while zerg's safe play is to get fast 3 bases(assuming T FE) and be ahead. The korean Ts might be godmode enough to be able to win in that situation, but everyone else is having huge issues. I guess the queen buff was warranted though, since korean Zs were having so much issues with hellions. Ohh wait... Blizzard balance team should be consistent, if you are going to be balancing for top play only, fine but then the queen buff was totally useless too. | ||
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Cramsy
Australia1100 Posts
On September 01 2012 21:23 Hider wrote: Yeh if we could go back in time and do everything over again, we would have tanks would still doing 60 damage to everythings. Zergs and toss's should just be more creative in dealing with the insane damage output. Yes. That's what I mean, what a fantastic argument. Your post is about as intelligent as saying "Yeah lets un nerf reapers" Players know what's broken and what isn't. I think some of the recent balance changes haven't been as glaringly obvious as your fantastic example | ||
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cronaldo5909
Korea (South)15 Posts
I wonder if he even plays the game, or all he does is observe the pros play. | ||
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LOLingBuddha
Netherlands697 Posts
I think they are doing the right thing in waiting it out. that is not to say that i dont think something is a little skewed. but give it a little time and i think they can perhaps apply a different balance change rather thatn a knee-jerk reaction to something thats happenening currently. | ||
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Uhh Negative
United States1090 Posts
On September 01 2012 22:10 cronaldo5909 wrote: I bet if DK plays a game with Terran he'll say "OMFG HOW DID I LOSE TO THAT ZERG ARMY...OP ZERGG" I wonder if he even plays the game, or all he does is observe the pros play. He does play the game at a pretty high level, I believe. He plays random. | ||
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LOLingBuddha
Netherlands697 Posts
On September 01 2012 22:10 cronaldo5909 wrote: I bet if DK plays a game with Terran he'll say "OMFG HOW DID I LOSE TO THAT ZERG ARMY...OP ZERGG" I wonder if he even plays the game, or all he does is observe the pros play. you're kidding right? he plays all races, and is pretty good at them too. | ||
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Sanguinarius
United States3427 Posts
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Lukeeze[zR]
Switzerland6838 Posts
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Schnullerbacke13
Germany1199 Posts
nice example: jaedong vs fantasy in SPL | ||
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followZeRoX
Serbia1451 Posts
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GodTroll
Canada41 Posts
The metagame was shifting towards mass queen openings even before the patch... 3 Terran Nerfs within 6 week period, and now he gives us 6 months to experiment? Seems logical... | ||
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ZeBigMarn
Australia30 Posts
But I do agree that the creep tumor would not be a bad idea for the proposed early game for Terrans and also the late, late game PvZ where massive creep spread with the strongest comp in the game of BL-infestor, can be pushed forward with spines and spores with far to much ease. Only way to beat it is with the coin flip vortex or bad play from Z. But as I mentioned earlier Zerg is the least represented in the next GSL so maybe mid or early game is where they should focus. | ||
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Schnullerbacke13
Germany1199 Posts
My prediction: Terran still OP, mules will cost supply ;-) | ||
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Zeon0
Austria2995 Posts
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On September 01 2012 23:43 ZeBigMarn wrote: Looking at the groups for the next GSL season there are 13T, 10P and 9Z so the balance talk saying T is underpowered is ridiculous. But I do agree that the creep tumor would not be a bad idea for the proposed early game for Terrans and also the late, late game PvZ where massive creep spread with the strongest comp in the game of BL-infestor, can be pushed forward with spines and spores with far to much ease. Only way to beat it is with the coin flip vortex or bad play from Z. But as I mentioned earlier Zerg is the least represented in the next GSL so maybe mid or early game is where they should focus. Using code S member numbers to argue balance is as silly as argueing that a single game shows imbalance or that even who won shows it. Its a nice thing to look at but the best thing to look at is a mass amount of games because in them you can pick up on certain patterns that persist.in the games to see what may or may not need looking at. Note as evidence of this I believe the last BW OSL was about 15(maybe 16) zergs but then they all lost before finals so it was sort of a letdown. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On September 01 2012 23:43 ZeBigMarn wrote: Looking at the groups for the next GSL season there are 13T, 10P and 9Z so the balance talk saying T is underpowered is ridiculous. GSL or WCS Korea race distribution do not prove anything about balance or imbalance but whatever. On September 01 2012 23:44 Schnullerbacke13 wrote: hum .. when watching SPL where the BW pros compete in SC2 now, it seems like the former zerg bonjwas have a significantly lower win-rate in SC2 compared to BW. So it might be another T nerf or Zerg buff incoming (depends on HOTS release date) .. My prediction: Terran still OP, mules will cost supply ;-) Complaining about MULEs when your race can build 15 workers at once, really? But then again what should we expect from Mr. “Just-build-macro-OCs” ... | ||
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Fjodorov
5007 Posts
On September 01 2012 22:43 Schnullerbacke13 wrote: most lower level terran fail to understand that terran has best lategame macro (OC's). Newer pro plays indicate, the zerg paradigm to 'overpower' the terran has its limits due to the supply cap. expect a metagame shift to "don't let the terran macro undisturbed". nice example: jaedong vs fantasy in SPL Terran has the worst unit macro. Compare baracks to to warp in and larva injected hatcherys. | ||
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