EPTSituation Report: August 31, 2012 by David Kim - Page 29
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aviator116
United States820 Posts
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On September 01 2012 16:41 fawkz wrote: sorry to dissapoint you, but blizzard is simply NOT capable of balancing their own game. it just wont happen. the truth is they did look at just one tournament, and simply said "tvz fine" game is dead/will be dead competetivly soon after hots launch. How can you say the game is imbalanced? Every race is like within a few % of eachother in the matchups. That is basically as balanced as BW. Right now we are entering a protoss era of dominance, though. But that is just a natural flow that will change. ZvP hasnt changed at all in terms of balance since the queen change, yet protoss are crushing most zergs lately. And those few months ago protoss were saying PvZ was unwinnable. | ||
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Mephtral
Sweden60 Posts
On September 01 2012 16:47 aviator116 wrote: I was going to type out an intelligent response, something along the lines of "Nestea was losing infestors left and right, and not dealing well with Kas' multitask and aggression", and then I realized that he was zerg, and everything made sense. Lol yeah, then i was going to respond with something like "Kas was losing drops to zerglings left and right, and moving ravens without HSM or energy into broodlord/infestor/corruptor armies, and not making medivacs for his pushes and losing clumped up armies to more or less 3 fungals, lol, but then i remembered he is terran, so that shouldn't be mentioned. | ||
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RaiKageRyu
Canada4773 Posts
yep, I remember many pros citing TvZ as best matchup in SC2 back then, even Protoss players like Huk agreed. Having hellion opening every single time doesn't make for a bad matchup. It's just a standard opening. BW had those. It's how you know when a matchup has become stable and isn't ruled by shifting metagames. Even if the you found the opening boring, it allowed for a more interesting midgame than we see nowadays. | ||
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aviator116
United States820 Posts
On September 01 2012 16:51 Mephtral wrote: Lol yeah, then i was going to respond with something like "Kas was losing drops to zerglings left and right, and moving ravens without HSM or energy into broodlord/infestor/corruptor armies, and not making medivacs for his pushes and losing clumped up armies to more or less 3 fungals, lol, but then i remembered he is terran, so that shouldn't be mentioned. I'm not going to get into a flaming argument with somebody who has to mimic my response in order to provide an argument... | ||
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Whatson
United States5356 Posts
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Mephtral
Sweden60 Posts
On September 01 2012 16:53 aviator116 wrote: I'm not going to get into a flaming argument with somebody who has to mimic my response in order to provide an argument... It's not a flaming argument, you made a dumb post that was more or less "Zerg players are bad, so one should not be surprised when they lose", You didn't have a argument, you were whining. I just responded with the same, do you see how stupid and pointless that kind of shit is? | ||
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Cereb
Denmark3388 Posts
But for the most part, the reactions here seem relatively modest and thought-out with a few exceptions... Well done TL, well done!  | ||
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Whatson
United States5356 Posts
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aviator116
United States820 Posts
On September 01 2012 16:56 Mephtral wrote: It's not a flaming argument, you made a dumb post that was more or less "Zerg players are bad, so one should not be surprised when they lose", You didn't have a argument, you were whining. I just responded with the same, do you see how stupid and pointless that kind of shit is? Once again: I'm not going to get into a flaming argument. Have a nice day. | ||
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Werezerg
Germany62 Posts
On September 01 2012 01:07 ELA wrote: Well, TaeJa and MVP sure did screw that up for the rest of us :D On September 01 2012 01:09 Shinespark wrote: Great. Thanks a lot, Mvp, for using a strategy that I'll never have the apm to perform. ... studies conclude: 90% of terrans cannot read! Honestly, blizzard said from the very beginning, that these changes are about the highest level of play only! If you guys loose in tvz, its just because you suck, l2p! Really, what an outrage that blizzard is looking only at the highest level of play, when they want to know if the changes they plan to balance the highest level of play are really necessary! | ||
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Xanbatou
United States805 Posts
On September 01 2012 17:00 aviator116 wrote: Once again: I'm not going to get into a flaming argument. Have a nice day. Dude, you can't just bait a 'flaming argument' like that and then condescendingly refuse to participate in said argument when someone actually takes the bait. It doesn't make you the better person - it just makes you an asshole. | ||
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lessQQmorePEWPEW
Jamaica921 Posts
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M.R. McThundercrotch
United States265 Posts
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Lukeeze[zR]
Switzerland6838 Posts
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ETisME
12478 Posts
On September 01 2012 15:21 Andr3 wrote: Do you even remember TvZ before patch? It was 10x times better to play/watch. Now it's MOSTLY passive play for the first ~10-12 minutes. Queens up, spread creep. Terrans for hellions deny some shit and go for 3rd. Before patch it was madness, constant agression from both sides(Zerg was more on defensive and it was quite tough, yes..not imbalanced). The only reason I hate the queen patch is because it changed the whole gameplay, it made turtling so much better and viable for zerg.. and now for T as well. TvZ was so freaking awesome, it's still good but it won't be DRG vs MMA lvl anytime soon -,- not really. Pre-patch, zerg either goes for roach baneling bust (see DRG vs MMA game again) to stop terran being so greedy: reactor hellion + quick 3rd CC. now it kinds of go back to standard zerg gets a faster 3rd to adjust to the fact that the T has went for a quick CC or even a quick 3rd CC. Now the TvZ has special way to deal with the quick CC, bunker hellion marine. Not that different from before actually as you watch more games | ||
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graNite
Germany4434 Posts
They just found a way to circumvent the problem by turteling hardcore. Is that really a fix? It would be a better game if terran had the ability to punish greedy thirds without going allin and if terran had something to slowly transition and not do a 180° turn like going mass starport after marine tank. | ||
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RoieTRS
United States2569 Posts
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stonetalon
Netherlands482 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On September 01 2012 18:15 graNite wrote: Why do people say that Mvp and Taeja know how to play TvZ? They just found a way to circumvent the problem by turteling hardcore. Is that really a fix? It would be a better game if terran had the ability to punish greedy thirds without going allin and if terran had something to slowly transition and not do a 180° turn like going mass starport after marine tank. Yes, they way they play is a fix, as it obviously works and also worked before the patch. MVP has been playing very defensive styles for 2years now. And no they aren't even turtling hardcore. They use banshees and hellions and drops to put on pressure and move out halfway on the map to put on pressure. And yes, it would be nice if the game had more smooth transitions. Blizzard missed that chance long time ago, when they nerfed roaches and hydras down, so they turned out to become midgame exclusive (if even that) units and afterwards balanced the game around the resulting dynamics. | ||
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